consciousness So where do the psychopath Satan worshippers go when they die?

[depressed_soul]

Hi okay so I am a Christian. Growing up, I understood that if people didn't accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and say sorry for their sins they would die and go to hell. That was my understanding. After listening to David Ike for many years, he says that we are consciousness. David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. I take this as a positive thing. However what about the people that are murders, psychopaths, and evil satanic worshipers that kill children? What happens to them when they die? Surely those people don't deserve anything positive in the afterlife. In the Bible in my Christian religion they go to hell. However I'm confused about David Ike's theory about people becoming Consciousness again after they pass from this human life form. Is there any accountability for those people that are evil, psychopaths, murders and satanic worshipers that do bad things in their cult? Do they just become Consciousness too and just have a positive experience for all the evil they did on this Earth? Will there be any accountability for them in the afterlife. I wish I understood David Ike's Theory Of Consciousness after death more clearly. Can someone please help me understand what his theory is about those types of evil psychotic people dying and what happens to them in the afterlife?

[novymir]

They aren't real, this isn't reality. It has no effect on reality.

 

It's all in the dreamer's "mind".

 

 

 

Forget about "positive" and "negative". What there is is Truth, above ALL. ONE.

 

Guilt is an illegitimate idea, it has no meaning in reality.

 

This is hell. The opposite of Reality. Hell is deceptive. Reality is not.

 

Anyone can be freed, all they need do is accept The Truth/Reality, and let go of that which is not that. Being fragments of "The Prodigal Son".

 

The "ego" is anti-Christ, an artificial idea of self that dominates this world, is the ruler of this world collectively. EgoMatrix--Dream of Deceit.

 

All the guilt-tripping bullshit, all the traumas and deceptions are expressions of "ego", an attempt to falsify The Truth and validate the lie, and maintain and increase the disconnect from TrueBeing and Reality---The Kingdom of Heaven.

We cannot bring falsehoods and garbage with us.

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by novymir

[Campion]

On 10/19/2022 at 12:41 PM, novymir said:

The "ego" is anti-Christ, an artificial idea of self that dominates this world, is the ruler of this world collectively. EgoMatrix--Dream of Deceit.

 

All the guilt-tripping bullshit, all the traumas and deceptions are expressions of "ego", an attempt to falsify The Truth and validate the lie, and maintain and increase the disconnect from TrueBeing and Reality---The Kingdom of Heaven.

 

If ego is anti-Christ, then Christ is non-ego?  Sounds like Buddhism and non-self. There is a school of thought with Jesus travelling to Kashmir and was influenced by Indian religion & philosophy, translated into Jewish language. I've started reading "A search for the historical Jesus" by Fida Hassnain which is about this.  

[novymir]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

If ego is anti-Christ, then Christ is non-ego?  Sounds like Buddhism and non-self. There is a school of thought with Jesus travelling to Kashmir and was influenced by Indian religion & philosophy, translated into Jewish language. I've started reading "A search for the historical Jesus" by Fida Hassnain which is about this.  

It's like the difference between The Real and "not that"....

 

INFINITE LOVE IS THE REAL.

 

[Prince Barin]

They go to hell.

[Ethel]

On 10/19/2022 at 11:41 AM, novymir said:

They aren't real, this isn't reality. It has no effect on reality.

 

It's all in the dreamer's "mind".

 

 

 

Forget about "positive" and "negative". What there is is Truth, above ALL. ONE.

 

Guilt is an illegitimate idea, it has no meaning in reality.

 

This is hell. The opposite of Reality. Hell is deceptive. Reality is not.

 

Anyone can be freed, all they need do is accept The Truth/Reality, and let go of that which is not that. Being fragments of "The Prodigal Son".

 

The "ego" is anti-Christ, an artificial idea of self that dominates this world, is the ruler of this world collectively. EgoMatrix--Dream of Deceit.

 

All the guilt-tripping bullshit, all the traumas and deceptions are expressions of "ego", an attempt to falsify The Truth and validate the lie, and maintain and increase the disconnect from TrueBeing and Reality---The Kingdom of Heaven.

We cannot bring falsehoods and garbage with us.

 

 

 

 

Great post, but I'd make one tiny adjustment; the unobserved ego is antichrist. The observed ego is benign. It is a person's lack of awareness of ego which gives it any dangerous quality. We all have ego and we cannot get rid of entirely whilst in earth realm. What we can do are practice various forms of mindfulness which increase our awareness of it.

[Campion]

1 hour ago, novymir said:

It's like the difference between The Real and "not that"....

 

INFINITE LOVE IS THE REAL.

 

  

Then what is "not that", and what's the difference with infinite love? 

[shabbirss]

On 10/19/2022 at 11:11 AM, depressed_soul said:

Hi okay so I am a Christian. Growing up, I understood that if people didn't accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and say sorry for their sins they would die and go to hell. That was my understanding. After listening to David Ike for many years, he says that we are consciousness. David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. I take this as a positive thing. However what about the people that are murders, psychopaths, and evil satanic worshipers that kill children? What happens to them when they die? Surely those people don't deserve anything positive in the afterlife. In the Bible in my Christian religion they go to hell. However I'm confused about David Ike's theory about people becoming Consciousness again after they pass from this human life form. Is there any accountability for those people that are evil, psychopaths, murders and satanic worshipers that do bad things in their cult? Do they just become Consciousness too and just have a positive experience for all the evil they did on this Earth? Will there be any accountability for them in the afterlife. I wish I understood David Ike's Theory Of Consciousness after death more clearly. Can someone please help me understand what his theory is about those types of evil psychotic people dying and what happens to them in the afterlife?

 

think of it in terms of a game...
this earthly experience is level one of it.

we face obstacles,choices,etc.. that either level us UP or DOWN.
levelling up = positive energy, levelling down - negative energy...

and so, the higher your positive energies,
the higher your state will be in Paradise/Heaven,
and the lower your energies,
the lower your state will be in hell.
 

evil goes to hell.

[Artie Fufkin]

On 10/19/2022 at 10:11 AM, depressed_soul said:

Hi okay so I am a Christian. Growing up, I understood that if people didn't accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and say sorry for their sins they would die and go to hell. That was my understanding. After listening to David Ike for many years, he says that we are consciousness. David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. I take this as a positive thing. However what about the people that are murders, psychopaths, and evil satanic worshipers that kill children? What happens to them when they die? Surely those people don't deserve anything positive in the afterlife. In the Bible in my Christian religion they go to hell. However I'm confused about David Ike's theory about people becoming Consciousness again after they pass from this human life form. Is there any accountability for those people that are evil, psychopaths, murders and satanic worshipers that do bad things in their cult? Do they just become Consciousness too and just have a positive experience for all the evil they did on this Earth? Will there be any accountability for them in the afterlife. I wish I understood David Ike's Theory Of Consciousness after death more clearly. Can someone please help me understand what his theory is about those types of evil psychotic people dying and what happens to them in the afterlife?

These negative types of murderers and rapists  etc, hold their own conscience, they have no positive life form or soul. They are the idealist advocates towards a lower frequency of life form when their material ' human' body seizes to exist and Trans-Humanism begins. This is being pushed on the public worldwide through  a programme  of silly television programmes :). Organised religion will tell you that you may ascend to a a place called heaven, by praying to some-one. My advice would to be, enjoy this life, love the ones you love, take everything positive from the strangers you may meet, and feel blessed. take care!

[Campion]

On 10/19/2022 at 10:11 AM, depressed_soul said:

After listening to David Ike for many years, he says that we are consciousness. David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness.

 

I read the Truth Vibrations a long time ago and intend to read some more of DI's books soon, so most of my current knowledge of him comes from videos. I've heard him talk of us as something like "consciousness having a human experience" so he's in the camp of philosophical idealists. Is there a difference between 'consciousness' small c and 'Consciousness' capital C to explain what happens after we die? 

 

On 10/19/2022 at 10:11 AM, depressed_soul said:

However what about the people that are murders, psychopaths, and evil satanic worshipers that kill children? What happens to them when they die? Surely those people don't deserve anything positive in the afterlife. In the Bible in my Christian religion they go to hell. However I'm confused about David Ike's theory about people becoming Consciousness again after they pass from this human life form.

  

I wonder what's the difference really between hell and a room full of evil people? Perhaps it's about power. In this world, evil people (ie selfish people) can be in a position of power over their victims and carry out these types of crimes, but hell is supposed to be full of demons and devils who are more powerful than us so the perpetrators become the victims as punishment. In eastern religions they believe in karma, where an evil person is reborn as someone less powerful and becomes a victim of evil people later on.  

 

So putting these together, hell is evil operating in a power hierarchy, whether in this world or the next doesn't really matter. 

[Talorgan]

Interestingly    " evil" is

"live"

spelt backwards and  those forces that try invert living or consciousness or love awareness or those  try to get us to focus on fear to mine our energy perhaps .

So as part of Infinite consciousness awareness ,love

we live 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Talorgan

[sanita]

I would say all humans, when the body dies, become consciousness. But as consciousness you can be hanging out in lower dimensions and maybe that`s similar to hell`s experience. And consciousness can be so light or pure that it goes to better places, like a heaven. 
 

[pi3141]

On 10/20/2022 at 6:04 PM, Campion said:

I've started reading "A search for the historical Jesus" by Fida Hassnain which is about this.  

 

Have you seen 'The Hidden Story of Jesus by Dr Robert Beckford' its a good film, available on YouTube.

[pi3141]

On 10/20/2022 at 11:39 PM, shabbirss said:

 

think of it in terms of a game...
this earthly experience is level one of it.

we face obstacles,choices,etc.. that either level us UP or DOWN.
levelling up = positive energy, levelling down - negative energy...

and so, the higher your positive energies,
the higher your state will be in Paradise/Heaven,
and the lower your energies,
the lower your state will be in hell.
 

evil goes to hell.

 

Great Post, I agree with your analogy, (except the Hell bit) I perceive it differently, it's frequency and resonance to me, at whatever vibration you leave this world will dictate where you go in the next.

 

Judgement comes from within, you will judge yourself when you pass, that will dictate your state and hence your energy signature when you depart.

 

We are energy, with unique signatures.

 

This is the trick you see - God is always watching? No, you are always watching yourself, and we're part God, so it's partly true.

 

There is no Hell, only lower realms, and of course, this realm, where some souls get stuck.

 

The judgement theories come, once again, from Egypt, where their 'Hell' was called Tartarus, a ditch, like Gehenna, and where 3 elders judged the deceased before being ferried to the burial site across a river.

 

Sound familiar?

[EnigmaticWorld]

15 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Have you seen 'The Hidden Story of Jesus by Dr Robert Beckford' its a good film, available on YouTube.

 

 

This guy? We were never asked.

[pi3141]

17 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

This guy? We were never asked.

 

Yeah him - what do you mean, never asked.

[EnigmaticWorld]

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

 

Yeah him - what do you mean, never asked.

 

For a multicultural dream or race hustlers lecturing the natives.

[pi3141]

8 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

For a multicultural dream or race hustlers lecturing the natives.

 

Oh, OK. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

8 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Oh, OK. 

 

You're free to think what you like about Christianity, but do you not think he is using my religion to push Marxian ideals?

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[pi3141]

44 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

You're free to think what you like about Christianity, but do you not think he is using my religion to push Marxian ideas

 

Well, this is a thread about death, so I'd rather not get drawn into a derailing discussion.

[EnigmaticWorld]

50 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well, this is a thread about death, so I'd rather not get drawn into a derailing discussion.

 

Well credibilty and due diligence matters, but my bad for going off topic.

[Doc]

5 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Well credibilty and due diligence matters, but my bad for going off topic.

This is why things never get anywhere EW. The connections go unnoticed, the agenda is ignored when it suits someone's ideology to focus on the small stuff and not the bigger picture. The 'conspiracy' world has become a buffet. Take what you like and forget the rest.

[Doc]

On 10/20/2022 at 6:04 PM, Campion said:

 

If ego is anti-Christ, then Christ is non-ego?  Sounds like Buddhism and non-self. There is a school of thought with Jesus travelling to Kashmir and was influenced by Indian religion & philosophy, translated into Jewish language. I've started reading "A search for the historical Jesus" by Fida Hassnain which is about this. 

I find great solace in Buddhism. For me it is the only 'religion' (it's not a religion) that makes sense. It's not an easy path to follow and offers little reward but is also the easiest path to follow with great rewards.

 

 

[Doc]

Anyway, not wanting to derail the thread...

 

As I said earlier, I like a bit of Buddhism.

 

I'm of the opinion that the same thing happens to everyone when they die. We all go to the same place if you like. I don't know what that is and I don't know what that might be like but for me its all about how you have lived.

 

Human life is unavoidably dualistic and with dualism comes choice, your choices create karma. Which in turn presents more choices. The knowledge that your death is near must have profound effects on the psyche. A loosening off whereby you finally find out if you lived your life right or not.

 

I have read many tales about what people think just before the moment of death. For some death comes as a warm satisfying relief. For others they realise what an asshole they have been and experience a deep soul crushing disappointment at themselves and the life they have wasted. Judgement if you like.

 

But in reality I think the situation after conscious death is akin to a rain drop evaporating before it hits the ground as it falls into warm air.

 

We don't remember our birth and we don't remember our death. We transition, like the rain drops, from form to non form +potential. A form of never repeating Universal recycling until all potentialities are exhausted. Luminous emptiness. 

 

So basically, it's the living that counts, not the dying. The people in charge at the moment are against us knowing what we truly are and what we are capable of. They are doing whatever that can to create some bad karma.

 

The chaos they are spreading pervades borders of morality and nationality, sex, race and religions and all forms of spirituality. They don't favour one race or skin colour, all the above things don't matter to them.

 

They are artificially stimulating wars between followers of the false ideology they have forced on people on every front. 

 

They've hijacked universal laws and are going to have to reap what they sow at some point. 

 

[Captainlove]

On 10/19/2022 at 10:11 AM, depressed_soul said:

Hi okay so I am a Christian. Growing up, I understood that if people didn't accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and say sorry for their sins they would die and go to hell. That was my understanding. After listening to David Ike for many years, he says that we are consciousness. David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. I take this as a positive thing. However what about the people that are murders, psychopaths, and evil satanic worshipers that kill children? What happens to them when they die? Surely those people don't deserve anything positive in the afterlife. In the Bible in my Christian religion they go to hell. However I'm confused about David Ike's theory about people becoming Consciousness again after they pass from this human life form. Is there any accountability for those people that are evil, psychopaths, murders and satanic worshipers that do bad things in their cult? Do they just become Consciousness too and just have a positive experience for all the evil they did on this Earth? Will there be any accountability for them in the afterlife. I wish I understood David Ike's Theory Of Consciousness after death more clearly. Can someone please help me understand what his theory is about those types of evil psychotic people dying and what happens to them in the afterlife?

Israel most likely.