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18 hours ago, lake said:

 

Well I was never even asked to become one .... Once we stopped the sword fight (which was becoming fucking dangerous) .... He asked me if I believed in the god who made this world and I said that I believe in something vastly greater than it but that I had no word nor name for it.

That was that and my 'tour' was over.

 

btw .... the 'swords' had been brought out from 'small' rooms .... can't call them cupboards as they were bigger than that and contained many very old and interesting items!

I've heard that before about the freemasons.

That they will ask you if you believe in God before they ask you to join.

Doesn't matter which religion it is as long as it's the creator of this 'place' 

 

I could guess the reason why that's important but I don't know for sure.

No doubt they would have asked you to join if you gave a different answer.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Campion said:

Thinking about it, the Templars were originally part of the Catholic church, albeit with some secretive and heretical beliefs & practices.

 

They were given a licence to operate by the catholic church known as a 'rule'. Does that make them 'part of the catholic church' though?

 

They came out of areas of france like troyes where there was a kabbalistic school under a famous rabbi called rishi.

 

2 hours ago, Campion said:

They were big builders & architects too so the link with Freemasonry makes sense. 

 

When they went to jerusalem they asked the king of jerusalem if they could set up their base of operations on temple mount and they began tunnelling into it. After that process they then went on to become the first trans-national corporation. The cathedral of st denis in paris is the starting point of the new 'gothic' style of architecture which required a complex grasp of geometry. Some people might claim that the term 'gothic' is a corruption of 'goetic' referring to the demon conjuring book the goetia. The cathedrals are themselves alchemical books in stone.

 

2 hours ago, Campion said:

They were a very powerful part of the Church, which I find hard to reconcile with the Pope simply closing them down rather than recycling all that wealth and skillbase into other organisations:

 

some people wanted to see the two main knightly orders: the templars and hospitallers merged into one organisation and that is in fact what happened in britain when the templars were 'dissolved'. Its membership and its operations simply fell under the banner of st john and they continued. I personally don't see templarism as having ended but rather only gone on to new heights through the outgrowth of freemasonry

 

2 hours ago, Campion said:

so maybe the church's inner circle were involved all along and those Templars who were killed & tortured were simply the ones who were becoming too independent minded.

 

the french king clashed with the templars as did the pope but that particular pope was a puppet of that particular french king. But consider that within a short space of time of their coup against the templars both the french king and his puppet pope were DEAD

 

when the french revolution came about a french freemason is said to have stepped forward when the french kings head was lopped off and to have dipped his fingers in the kings blood and proclaimed something along the lines of 'jacques demolay has been avenged'

 

DeMolay was of course the templar grandmaster that was immolated by the french king on the ile de jeufs (island of the jews) on the river seine. A plaque marks the spot to this day. Now a question could possibly be asked that if the templars knew in advance of the impending clampdown and were able to remove their treasure from their vault in paris (and likely sailed it out of their port in larochelle) then how did the grandmaster not know to also evade capture? Perhaps he wasn't really the highest authority guiding things.

 

2 hours ago, Campion said:

In which case the 'inner circle' which is now at the esoteric core of the Freemasons is not particularly loyal to one institution, but it acts as power brokers and manipulators in a lot of hierarchies. 

 

So either we have a rift between the catholic church and certain elements of the secret society network that was later reconciled (i think the author dean henderson claims that) or the catholic church was infiltrated and captured by the secret society network which is what people like mel gibson's father believe (see Sedevacantism)

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4 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Whilst I will agree with some of your comments, on the whole most people who join Freemasnry know about the secret aspect and the

benefits by joining the society will bring to them in business. You made a comment where your father and husband didn't benefit but I believe

this is not the norm.

 

The Consultant has mention peadophilia within Freemasonry and this cannot be ignored.

 

These people who raped young boys were not the highest ranking Masons, they were much lower down.

 

Jimmy Savile was a Freemason afaik and so were the police who protected him.

 

 

 

 

As stated repeatedly in this thread, I don't doubt for a moment the involvement of Masons in pedophilia and all manner of corruption, WITHIN THE HIGHEST RANKS / INNER CIRCLE of lodges.  I never asked anyone to ignore a connection and nor would I ever turn a blind eye to it myself. However, the determination of some to spread the notion that this is in any way typical of the typical lodge membership is utterly pig ignorant. Since you have read @TheConsultant's posts, you presumably have not missed his comments regarding Albert Pike etc writing that there are 2 brotherhoods, with one hidden from the other. 

 

With so many lies and wickedness perpetrated by the cabal, it's easy to become distrustful of just about everybody, but there are honourable, decent men being tarred with the same brush as child-rapists, murderers & thieves in this instance, and it's very wrong.

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4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:


I am not sure it would be appropriate for a number of reasons:

1. the answers I give would be my perspective only and not necessarily true across the board

2. the answers are not going to sit well with any thinking, feeling person as we have all been 'hoodwinked' on some level, especially those who think they understand anything


3. being born in to a family and being in the family are very different and so my answers would be from a very specific perspective outside but in close proximity to controlling 'elite' and how they operate


4. how does anyone know I am not just making stuff up to manipulate/control/for fun?


5. what can I provide that you cannot find independently?
 

6. it isn't about people being sheltered or living pampered lives, you are all here to explore truth but some areas of which goes entirely against Ickes viewpoint/understanding and that doesn't sit comfortably with me on his forum


7. these people have been in power since before Jesus (or the alleged time) that person was around, continually passing power down within families, they are the shadow Government and as such control pretty much every aspect of everyones life generationally (it is all planned), they are the new world order, secret societies are the soldiers both knowingly and unknowingly, I do not have the heart to pull the rug from underneath people, especially those who only got in a few rungs of the ladder to better themselves, it just doesn't seem appropriate nor sit comfortably with me for one person to do that to an entire group of people. The majority of which are deeply religious, good hearted and have been misled more than the people outside the secret groups


 

 

Many here are naturally curious (including me) but if you're not comfortable being interrogated about it, I would encourage you to resist.

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48 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Many here are naturally curious (including me) but if you're not comfortable being interrogated about it, I would encourage you to resist.


as I said before if you or anyone has specific questions, feel free to PM. :)

My albert pike comment was erroneous, it was Manly P Hall, I think I corrected that above, but yes, absolutely! Many factions of Freemasons, including Skull & Bones 322. Bush Family tied to that (who are a Satanic family, or at least directly controlled by a Satanic Family). I believe its also known as Brotherhood of Death?
 

 

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3 hours ago, TheConsultant said:


People are free to reject or accept my posts like any other member here. I am not shutting down discussing it, I am rejecting the idea of a separate thread to answer questions, the "reveal" was for perspective. The content of my posts should be what matters, not the upbringing I had, the perspective may help some it may put others off, the more detail offered doesn't change my posts and nor should it. Plus I am not interested in doing it outside of that. I think that's perfectly reasonable?

 

 

Yes of course we are all free to accept or reject anything. Glad to hear you are not shutting down discussion. If you prefert o use this thread and not a separate thread thats ok with me. I for one await the content of your posts on the matter, as you say your actual upbringing is not really part of the question...more a specific insight, I would agree.

 

Thanks for offering answers to specific questions..

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5 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

what can I provide that you cannot find independently

Fair comment. So, imagine now that as a member I have done a lot of research into the sort of things you have been discussing here.

In just one word or sentence, what would you consider to be the best place for anyone to be focussing the direction of their studies.

The things you allude to are right at the core of EVERYTHING that happens. 

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45 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Fair comment. So, imagine now that as a member I have done a lot of research into the sort of things you have been discussing here.

In just one word or sentence, what would you consider to be the best place for anyone to be focussing the direction of their studies.

The things you allude to are right at the core of EVERYTHING that happens. 


in what context? spiritually? religiously? scientifically? 

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1 hour ago, Bombadil said:

In relation to what you know. Something that might crossover the contexts you mentioned above.

 

What if his answer is something which people don't want to know or aren't ready to hear? I've tried telling people on here that they need to own their personal power and stop clinging to retarded shit like government and nobody listens. Lots of people think they want the truth and then fight against it when they get it.

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18 hours ago, Ethel said:

 

What if his answer is something which people don't want to know or aren't ready to hear? I've tried telling people on here that they need to own their personal power and stop clinging to retarded shit like government and nobody listens. Lots of people think they want the truth and then fight against it when they get it.

I guess it’s difficult to say until we are presented with the information. 
During the recent cleanup of the forum I had to read through things which were not pleasant. Subjects I would prefer not too read to heavily but that I know are vital in gaining a truer perspective. So many of the topics in this forum overlap on some way or another.

For me personally Pandora’s box has been opened and can never be closed again. I know my need to understand cannot be stilled.

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On 10/14/2022 at 11:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

At the risk of being lambasted again (got a lot of hatred for it years ago on here) my late father and ex husband were both Masons. Didn't ever get on with my dad, and divorced my husband, so no loyalty owed to them, but I have to say that much of the automatic distrust of Masons is way off the mark. The lodge they were in were mainly sweet, dithering old fogeys who just enjoyed the company of their boys club pals and were completely mystified about the hostility this attracts from some.

 

They couldn't do enough for local charities and certainly my ex (who I lived with for about 26 years) didn't even believe in conspiracies, let alone anything esoteric or Satanic. Even the idea that they automatically do favours for each other didn't wash there. It was an unspoken code that asking each other for any assistance would be very much frowned upon and thought unacceptable conduct. 

 

I don't doubt that there are dubious activities in some lodges and that the higher ranks (33 degrees) are as rotten with corruption as the upper echelons of every type of organisation., and possibly more so. But from what I've seen, it's far from the norm in the typical gatherings. 

 

Years back when I relayed this here, I was still married, and even had people accusing my then husband of automatically being a pedo. I can tell you straight that assumptions like that are as ridiculous as they are deeply offensive.

 

I was shown some comments made by one of the admin's here after I'd left (on bad terms) whereby according to her, she'd banned me countless times after my departure when I came back under lots of different guises. Apparently, this had something to do with my being a Freemason. I've never heard such tripe in my life! For one thing, I never tried to open an account in any other name, so the numerous people she'd thought were me were apparently banned for no reason at all. And I was never a Mason - it's a men's club, so had I wanted to join (which I definitely didn't) I wouldn't have been allowed to. The Masons I knew would probably never have heard of David Icke or encountered any forum of this kind. They were boring old dears. 

 

The reason I'm stating this is that even I find the speculation about Masons generally to be very ill informed when applied to the typical bloke who joins the local lodge for a bit of socialising. 

 

Considering you were married to a freemason and your father was one, I am surprised you are unaware of the womens branch of Freemasonry. 

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7 hours ago, Rayvn said:

Considering you were married to a freemason and your father was one, I am surprised you are unaware of the womens branch of Freemasonry. 

As l said earlier there is a womens's Masons but I don't know anything about it  - it doesn't go hand in hand with the Men's Masons as they refuse to acknowledge it as being legitimate. If there are any women's version's around any of the local towns in my vicinity , I've never heard of it. Do you have any near you and if so, do you have any experience of them?

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Again as for masonry, I strongly urge everyone to watch the first few episodes of fall cabal regarding the origins of the cabal. If it is erroneous then please tell me how and why, as that is perfect for this thread. I do not know better outside of my own sense of discernment and experience.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/J6ShKkvwqrBB/ - THE ORIGINS OF THE ILLUMINATI OR CABAL AND THEIR AGENDA OF ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT OR NEW WORLD ORDER by Janet Ossenbaard. Not the official channel so apologies if this is not the right one...will confirm it later on.

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Just to say ... I'm back.

 

Had a little spat with the mods over some material I had posted (in another thread, nothing to do with Freemasonry) for which I was rightfully reprimanded! All good again though and no hard feelings.

 

I'll just add that posts detrimental to the future existence of the forum, including the inciteful one I made myself without thinking it through, should indeed always be removed, as the total information held in this forum is now of such immense value for the forthcoming hard times that nothing should be allowed to threaten its existence. I now get this. 👍

 

 

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16 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

Just to say ... I'm back.

 

Had a little spat with the mods over some material I had posted (in another thread, nothing to do with Freemasonry) for which I was rightfully reprimanded! All good again though and no hard feelings.

 

I'll just add that posts detrimental to the future existence of the forum, including the inciteful one I made myself without thinking it through, should indeed always be removed, as the total information held in this forum is now of such immense value for the forthcoming hard times that nothing should be allowed to threaten its existence. I now get this. 👍

 

 

I for one am very pleased you are still here, I am sure I will be far from the only one. Welcome back Web!!

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10 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

I for one am very pleased you are still here, I am sure I will be far from the only one. Welcome back Web!!

Me too. Good to see you Webtrekker. I flounce off periodically it's never the mods or the forum usually people who I am beginning to think their very purpose is to shut the forum and cause division.

 

Anyway freemasons,  not my cup of tea it's fair to say.  The people I know who have been members have all had shall we say 'incriminating photos etc' held on them.

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On 10/20/2022 at 3:22 PM, TheConsultant said:

back to masons, they are openly deceived, do we think the hoodwink is just a coincidental phrase for the blindfold? discuss....

 

What do you think about the positioning of lodges around the world..even in places you''d least expect to find them...for example in Cuba? Are you of the understanding that all of these lodges hold secrets at their core?

 

I find it interesting that the church (primarily Rome) and the state have been interlinked for many centuries. The Familes/Houses etc having infiltrated into the 'royal' houses of the world and interconnected with banking - from centuries ago. We know that monks wore capes/hoods as well as many other organizations. 

 

In your opinion, do you think there is an Achilles heel that the '''elite'''' fear - and if so would you be able to point in the direction of, even if not point it out fully.?

 

Sorry if this is a bit garbled, I'm close to bed time after a long day. I can take to PM if thats better...as I dont wish to cause unsettledness by my questions.

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9 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

1. What do you think about the positioning of lodges around the world..even in places you''d least expect to find them...for example in Cuba? Are you of the understanding that all of these lodges hold secrets at their core?

 

2. I find it interesting that the church (primarily Rome) and the state have been interlinked for many centuries. The Familes/Houses etc having infiltrated into the 'royal' houses of the world and interconnected with banking - from centuries ago. We know that monks wore capes/hoods as well as many other organizations. 

 

3. In your opinion, do you think there is an Achilles heel that the '''elite'''' fear - and if so would you be able to point in the direction of, even if not point it out fully.?

 

4. Sorry if this is a bit garbled, I'm close to bed time after a long day. I can take to PM if thats better...as I dont wish to cause unsettledness by my questions.

1. They infiltrate anywhere they can, anywhere of influence which over time includes "lesser" countries and places. Ukraine is a bit of a hub.

2. I believe they (Church) are linked to secret societies as they go back to at least ancient Rome/Egypt, they love the symbolism of Egypt particularly. I believe some are unaware that the Vatican is not about Christianity at all.

3. Achilles heel would be people understanding how long they have been around, how they operate, what they are trying to do and how they try to do it. Pandemics as a weapon? medical tyranny? controlled media? false flags? terrorism? biological warfare? threat of nuclear war? I say breath, relax and watch what occurs, even if the lights go out - media is not on the populations side at any point.

4. No problem, replied publicly rather than PM but we can continue there if you wish.

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Some interesting short videos from this bloke (his words about himself):

 

My background:

Christopher Earnshaw PhD., PGH, 33° / British

Past Grand Historian GLJ
Past Master of the Research Lodge GLJ
Scottish Rite 33° IGH, Chairman of Education Committee
Recipient of the Order of Merit GLJ for educational activities
CEO of a Medical Device manufacturer, living in Tokyo, Japan
Lecturer at the School of Social Science, Waseda University, Tokyo

 

I will put some of his videos here (as said they are short)

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The Kabbalah and the Lodge

An explanation of how the Lodge has been laid out to fit the Tree of Life, and how this uncovers the Hiramic Tragedy. The reason for this is part of a greater mystery that I introduce in these short videos.

 

 

 

 

Hiram as Christ

What is the role of Hiram in the Third Degree? Did he have to die? Is there more to Hiram's death than we suspect?

 

 

 

 

The Square and Compasses

What do the Square and Compasses teach us? How do they align with the Kabbalah in the Lodge? What can the Russian American sociologist Pitirim Sorokin teach us about the Square and Compasses?

 

 

 

 

What are the Secrets of Freemasonry

It is important that we define what are officially regarded as Masonic Secrets, so that we know what we can and cannot say as Masons.

 

 

 

 

Enlightenment and the Lodge

Some ideas about how the environment of the Lodge impacts the work of the ritual, and how the ritual works with the structure of the Lodge to bring a candidate from "spiritual poverty" to "enlightenment".

 

 

 

 

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They are of course more at his channel if you fancy a look?

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