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17 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

I've witnessed new members literally shaking with fear when first entering the Lodge for their initiation. 🤣

 

 

 

 

Well I was never even asked to become one .... Once we stopped the sword fight (which was becoming fucking dangerous) .... He asked me if I believed in the god who made this world and I said that I believe in something vastly greater than it but that I had no word nor name for it.

That was that and my 'tour' was over.

 

btw .... the 'swords' had been brought out from 'small' rooms .... can't call them cupboards as they were bigger than that and contained many very old and interesting items!

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3 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

no its not as simple as that. I think most people at grassroots level join to improve their work or business prospects. Those that join because their family member is involved are likely informed by their family member that membership will convey advantages in life

 

Not understanding what an organisation is about or where your money is going is not a good excuse for joining a group.

 

the dark occultists control institutionalised LODGE freemasonry and they are the people behind all the things that conspiracy theorists talk about like ritual abuse and corruption and so on so if you join their hierarchical pyramid even at a low level your due money is going to be going into their pocket

Indeed, i bumped into an old 'friend' of mine today, yards from the local Masonic Lodge. We had chit-chat, then he told me that he had joined the Fraternity over the road (freemasons), He said it was just a male bonding, drinking and networking club initially. Then it slipped..."We do some rituals...but doesn't mean owt" I didn't confront him and wished him well. I genuinely feel for these souls being sucked into such a dark organisation.

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The only 'new' information I've learned recently is how fast Freemasonry is declining, according to some reports about 100 lodges closing per year in the UK. In common with other old institutions like the mainstream churches I guess. But if the higher echelons rely on subscriptions from the rank and file, it must be creating a financial problem at least. 

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My grandfather was in the masons but he died before I was born. As I understand it most of the lower level masons are little more than overgrown boy scouts who do each other favors and protect each other even up to a person having committed murder or treason.

 

Anywhere up to 33rd degree they're about as "illuminated" as a fucking cave. It's the secret levels above that you need to be worried about.

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19 minutes ago, Ethel said:

My grandfather was in the masons but he died before I was born. As I understand it most of the lower level masons are little more than overgrown boy scouts who do each other favors and protect each other even up to a person having committed murder or treason.

 

Anywhere up to 33rd degree they're about as "illuminated" as a fucking cave. It's the secret levels above that you need to be worried about.


What do you know about the hidden degrees?

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Just now, TheConsultant said:

Doesn't mean I dont like to read? 

I say very little on here with what I know, it wouldn't be palatable. 

 

Okay start with "The Deadly Deception" by Jim Shaw. Plus the vast majority of David Icke's books go into freemasonic history in reasonable depth. 

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10 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 

Okay start with "The Deadly Deception" by Jim Shaw. Plus the vast majority of David Icke's books go into freemasonic history in reasonable depth. 

I shall check out Jim Shaw as I am pretty well read on Ickes back catalogue :)
Thanks. (Bonus I found it online on archive.org)

Back to masonry, knights templar/red cross discuss.....

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6 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


I could.....but not sure anyone would want the answers quite honestly and I really do mean that. That said, feel free to PM me if you have something specific in mind?

 

It couldn't possibly be worse than "Blasphemous Rumors". I've read that and it's nightmare fuel. I assume most of us on this forum know that the illuminati deliberately traumatize children. I'm also assuming there are others on here with knowledge of SRA, like I have. Plus I'm not a stranger to considerable trauma. PM me if you like.

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13 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I could.....

 

Then do it .... the members here can cope with your answers.

Start it in the members only .... I for one would like to know why the 'parasites' hide the Aether .... What is the interaction that they wish to remove from awareness?

 

But then this is all going off topic and I am not helping!

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1 hour ago, Ethel said:

 

It couldn't possibly be worse than "Blasphemous Rumors". I've read that and it's nightmare fuel. I assume most of us on this forum know that the illuminati deliberately traumatize children. I'm also assuming there are others on here with knowledge of SRA, like I have. Plus I'm not a stranger to considerable trauma. PM me if you like.


SRA, fuck. Same here, not something you bounce back from too quickly now is it? PTSD doesn't summarise SRA not even a little bit. Do you have a throwaway email I can get you on? of course PM me that if you do :)
 

1 hour ago, lake said:

Then do it .... the members here can cope with your answers.


Not sure they would like the answers, or that I would enjoy giving them.
 

1 hour ago, lake said:

I for one would like to know why the 'parasites' hide the Aether .... What is the interaction that they wish to remove from awareness?


Because everything is connected to everything else and it is the aether than gives rise to how they conjure, it is the dynamo of life or living power. Chi, Qi, Prana, Mana etc. (plays in to what some call loosh) In the west we have secret societies controlling the flow of that as best as they can, whilst members are earning their right to have access to their innate natural ability outside of secret societies. We are far more than evolved monkeys, every single person including the "vulgar" "profane" etc

Put another way, truth shouldn't ever be secret as its hiding wider truths in the process of its long history, including our false history. 

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4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:


Because everything is connected to everything else and it is the aether than gives rise to how they conjure, it is the dynamo of life or living power. Chi, Qi, Prana, Mana etc. (plays in to what some call loosh) In the west we have secret societies controlling the flow of that as best as they can, whilst members are earning their right to have access to their innate natural ability outside of secret societies. We are far more than evolved monkeys, every single person including the "vulgar" "profane" etc

Put another way, truth shouldn't ever be secret as its hiding wider truths in the process of its long history, including our false history. 

 

Then please do enlighten us on the truth you are aware of as a member of an 'elite' family. Many of us have not led sheltered or pampered lives or had jobs that haven't shown the dark side in places that shouldnt be. Are you going to start a thread to answer questions?

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14 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

I shall check out Jim Shaw as I am pretty well read on Ickes back catalogue :)
Thanks. (Bonus I found it online on archive.org)

Back to masonry, knights templar/red cross discuss.....

Catholics had bad history too... Even Christianity as a whole... They can not skip Old Testament... 

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On 10/14/2022 at 3:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

At the risk of being lambasted again (got a lot of hatred for it years ago on here) my late father and ex husband were both Masons. Didn't ever get on with my dad, and divorced my husband, so no loyalty owed to them, but I have to say that much of the automatic distrust of Masons is way off the mark. The lodge they were in were mainly sweet, dithering old fogeys who just enjoyed the company of their boys club pals and were completely mystified about the hostility this attracts from some.

 

They couldn't do enough for local charities and certainly my ex (who I lived with for about 26 years) didn't even believe in conspiracies, let alone anything esoteric or Satanic. Even the idea that they automatically do favours for each other didn't wash there. It was an unspoken code that asking each other for any assistance would be very much frowned upon and thought unacceptable conduct. 

 

I don't doubt that there are dubious activities in some lodges and that the higher ranks (33 degrees) are as rotten with corruption as the upper echelons of every type of organisation., and possibly more so. But from what I've seen, it's far from the norm in the typical gatherings. 

 

Years back when I relayed this here, I was still married, and even had people accusing my then husband of automatically being a pedo. I can tell you straight that assumptions like that are as ridiculous as they are deeply offensive.

 

I was shown some comments made by one of the admin's here after I'd left (on bad terms) whereby according to her, she'd banned me countless times after my departure when I came back under lots of different guises. Apparently, this had something to do with my being a Freemason. I've never heard such tripe in my life! For one thing, I never tried to open an account in any other name, so the numerous people she'd thought were me were apparently banned for no reason at all. And I was never a Mason - it's a men's club, so had I wanted to join (which I definitely didn't) I wouldn't have been allowed to. The Masons I knew would probably never have heard of David Icke or encountered any forum of this kind. They were boring old dears. 

 

The reason I'm stating this is that even I find the speculation about Masons generally to be very ill informed when applied to the typical bloke who joins the local lodge for a bit of socialising. 

 

 

Whilst I will agree with some of your comments, on the whole most people who join Freemasnry know about the secret aspect and the

benefits by joining the society will bring to them in business. You made a comment where your father and husband didn't benefit but I believe

this is not the norm.

 

The Consultant has mention peadophilia within Freemasonry and this cannot be ignored.

 

These people who raped young boys were not the highest ranking Masons, they were much lower down.

 

Jimmy Savile was a Freemason afaik and so were the police who protected him.

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Human10 said:

Catholics had bad history too... Even Christianity as a whole... They can not skip Old Testament... 

 

Thinking about it, the Templars were originally part of the Catholic church, albeit with some secretive and heretical beliefs & practices. They were big builders & architects too so the link with Freemasonry makes sense.  They were a very powerful part of the Church, which I find hard to reconcile with the Pope simply closing them down rather than recycling all that wealth and skillbase into other organisations: so maybe the church's inner circle were involved all along and those Templars who were killed & tortured were simply the ones who were becoming too independent minded. In which case the 'inner circle' which is now at the esoteric core of the Freemasons is not particularly loyal to one institution, but it acts as power brokers and manipulators in a lot of hierarchies. 

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9 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Then please do enlighten us on the truth you are aware of as a member of an 'elite' family. Many of us have not led sheltered or pampered lives or had jobs that haven't shown the dark side in places that shouldnt be. Are you going to start a thread to answer questions?


I am not sure it would be appropriate for a number of reasons:

1. the answers I give would be my perspective only and not necessarily true across the board

2. the answers are not going to sit well with any thinking, feeling person as we have all been 'hoodwinked' on some level, especially those who think they understand anything


3. being born in to a family and being in the family are very different and so my answers would be from a very specific perspective outside but in close proximity to controlling 'elite' and how they operate


4. how does anyone know I am not just making stuff up to manipulate/control/for fun?


5. what can I provide that you cannot find independently?
 

6. it isn't about people being sheltered or living pampered lives, you are all here to explore truth but some areas of which goes entirely against Ickes viewpoint/understanding and that doesn't sit comfortably with me on his forum


7. these people have been in power since before Jesus (or the alleged time) that person was around, continually passing power down within families, they are the shadow Government and as such control pretty much every aspect of everyones life generationally (it is all planned), they are the new world order, secret societies are the soldiers both knowingly and unknowingly, I do not have the heart to pull the rug from underneath people, especially those who only got in a few rungs of the ladder to better themselves, it just doesn't seem appropriate nor sit comfortably with me for one person to do that to an entire group of people. The majority of which are deeply religious, good hearted and have been misled more than the people outside the secret groups


 

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42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


I am not sure it would be appropriate for a number of reasons:

1. the answers I give would be my perspective only and not necessarily true across the board

 

Isnt that what you post most of the time? Your perspective? I think for the most part we all post things from our own perspective and others draw their own conclusions.

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

 

2. the answers are not going to sit well with any thinking, feeling person as we have all been 'hoodwinked' on some level, especially those who think they understand anything

 

Much of what is posted 'doesn't sit well' with many. It was suggested that you maybe put a thread in members only. I think many members are quite discerning...or at the very least able to either read and digest or read and scroll.

 

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


3. being born in to a family and being in the family are very different and so my answers would be from a very specific perspective outside but in close proximity to controlling 'elite' and how they operate

 

Then why not explain that it is your specific perspective??

 

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


4. how does anyone know I am not just making stuff up to manipulate/control/for fun?

 

We don't know...and you are being a little evasive which gives rise to that thought to be honest.

 

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


5. what can I provide that you cannot find independently?

 

How would we know unless you tell us what you you are able to provide?, from a place of anonymity.

 

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

 


 

6. it isn't about people being sheltered or living pampered lives, you are all here to explore truth but some areas of which goes entirely against Ickes viewpoint/understanding and that doesn't sit comfortably with me on his forum

 

Isn''t that for us to decide what we think and feel about any thread here? As you know from your own experience here, not everyone is going to agree...and thats ok....isn't it?

 

42 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


7. these people have been in power since before Jesus (or the alleged time) that person was around, continually passing power down within families, they are the shadow Government and as such control pretty much every aspect of everyones life generationally (it is all planned), they are the new world order, secret societies are the soldiers both knowingly and unknowingly, I do not have the heart to pull the rug from underneath people, especially those who only got in a few rungs of the ladder to better themselves, it just doesn't seem appropriate nor sit comfortably with me for one person to do that to an entire group of people. The majority of which are deeply religious, good hearted and have been misled more than the people outside the secret groups


 

 

You dont need to name people...there are ways to explain things without pulling a rug or throwing anyone under one in my opinion.

My question to you is...why would you raise the alleged fact that you are from an elite family and then shut it down when asked about it? Wouldn't it have been better to simply remain an enigma known as The Consultant if you are going to now continue as if what you claimed  wasn't said at all?

 

Either way... just wanted to say my opinion from my perspective.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Isnt that what you post most of the time? Your perspective? I think for the most part we all post things from our own perspective and others draw their own conclusions.

 

Much of what is posted 'doesn't sit well' with many. It was suggested that you maybe put a thread in members only. I think many members are quite discerning...or at the very least able to either read and digest or read and scroll.

 

 

Then why not explain that it is your specific perspective??

 

 

We don't know...and you are being a little evasive which gives rise to that thought to be honest.

 

 

How would we know unless you tell us what you you are able to provide?, from a place of anonymity.

 

 

Isn''t that for us to decide what we think and feel about any thread here? As you know from your own experience here, not everyone is going to agree...and thats ok....isn't it?

 

 

You dont need to name people...there are ways to explain things without pulling a rug or throwing anyone under one in my opinion.

My question to you is...why would you raise the alleged fact that you are from an elite family and then shut it down when asked about it? Wouldn't it have been better to simply remain an enigma known as The Consultant? 

 

 


People are free to reject or accept my posts like any other member here. I am not shutting down discussing it, I am rejecting the idea of a separate thread to answer questions, the "reveal" was for perspective. The content of my posts should be what matters, not the upbringing I had, the perspective may help some it may put others off, the more detail offered doesn't change my posts and nor should it. Plus I am not interested in doing it outside of that. I think that's perfectly reasonable?

 

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