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I have a really old book about Freemasonry. I think it is a book given to the freemasons. It is called Constitution. It has a complete outline of how courts of 'justice ' are to be built, and much more. I have met many freemasons who are good men.... as others have said, I think they keep many as the front for what is clearly a much deeper central network, that many of them no nothing about. I'll see if anyone is selling a copy online and link it as I cant be assed to find mine and take a pic ...

 

It looks like this: https://www.biblio.com/book/constitution-grand-chapter-royal-arch-masons/d/265869410

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12 hours ago, Hermetix said:

William Cooper wrote in his book "Behold A Pale Horse" that he was accepted in the higher ranks of the Navy most likely because he was a DeMolay (masons child recruitment society) member as a kid. He said that in the papers he had to fill that it asked if he was a member of a fraternal organization. It is a tool of control and blackmail at the highest levels and to see if you are good at keeping secrets. Police in the UK are all controlled by masonic lodges.

 

But yeah keep pointing the finger at "Jews."

Police in Lancashire (and I thought it was country wide) were banned by the police force from being Masonic members .

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45 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 Blast! Meant to edit but quoted myself in error. Apologies.

The black and white checkboard on their hats in UK is a freemason symbol, or at least is as well as whatever that tartan is regarding on the hats.
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Edit: and I quoted the wrong quote from you!

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On 10/14/2022 at 2:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

They couldn't do enough for local charities

 

with charities you have to look at where the money actually goes. For example if the beneficiaries of the 'charities' are themselves freemasons or projects that benefit freemasons then that's just them giving money to themselves

 

On 10/14/2022 at 2:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

It was an unspoken code that asking each other for any assistance would be very much frowned upon and thought unacceptable conduct. 

 

That's not reality. The reality is that if you are in the lodge 'you will never be short of work'

 

On 10/14/2022 at 2:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

I don't doubt that there are dubious activities in some lodges and that the higher ranks (33 degrees) are as rotten with corruption as the upper echelons of every type of organisation., and possibly more so.

 

The lodge system is completely controlled from the top by the dark occultists. Its their thing

 

On 10/14/2022 at 2:22 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

They were boring old dears.

 

boring old dears who are handing their 'dues' money to an organisation that then controls those funds centrally for purposes that are unknown to grassroots membership.

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9 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

The black and white checkboard on their hats in UK is a freemason symbol, or at least is as well as whatever that tartan is regarding on the hats.
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Edit: and I quoted the wrong quote from you!

 

its called the 'silitoe tartan' and was put on the police hats by a high ranking masonic policeman

 

Symbolically it represents base consciousness and a state of duality. So by wrapping it around the hats of the police that are controlled by the masonic crown, the dark occultists are mocking the police by saying, through the hidden language of symbology, that the police are clueless fools locked in a state of base consciousness who are not sovereign beings but instead will blindly follow the orders of the masonic hierarchy that expresses its authority through 'the crown'. The badge on the front of the hat, placed over the third eye of the police person, symbolises that the crown is in control of that person and has covered up their stargate to keep them locked in base consciousness

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On 10/16/2022 at 1:34 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

I've remembered the name now - Hiram Abif was the founder.

 

I very much doubt that there was an individual called hiram abiff who founded freemasonry

 

Hiram abiff is the masonic christ figure who is raised from his grave in the 'third degree' by king solomon. Hiram is killed by being struck three times symbolising the death of spirit through the failure to use thought, care and action.

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On 10/16/2022 at 2:34 PM, TheConsultant said:


You are correct, its personal development/self improvement, charitable, philanthropic, community minded on the surface, the inner core are vile but use the outer parts for access/networking/trafficking/child abuse. A complete inversion of what freemasonry may or may not have started as, it was infiltrated very quickly by people who do not have good intentions whatsoever and in fact some argue that you cannot get certain levels of access within the inner core unless you are a paedophile. Elite paedophile ring that is untouchable starting to make more sense?

 

 

Friend  of another alleged Freemason Sir Jimmy Savile with a love of Israel

 

Former secretary of the Paedophile Information Exchange (Pie), Keith Harding, who was also a known prolific paedophile, was made Worshipful Master of the Mercurius Lodge In Cheltenham in 2011. 

 

https://newspunch.com/paedophile-freemason-ran-lodge-for-official-uk-spy-agency/

 

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On 10/16/2022 at 11:41 PM, Steven Tansell said:

When I left the army, I joined a local T.A.V.R. unit to basically keep my fitness levels up a bit compared to my civilian mates from school etc! The picture below is the cap badge of the Mercian Volunteers, my local unit! HOLY SHIT, I hope I'm not a Mason, I'd rather find out that Philip Schofield was my real father, or that Prince Andrew used to be my babysitter!🤫

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                                                                                                                                                              MERCIAN VOLUNTEER'S  REGIMENTAL GOAT SNIFFS 'ROYAL' LIZARD!

 

with the capbadge the eagle is often used interchangeably with the phoenix and can symbolise the resurgent sun or the power of the ancient bloodlines. With two heads it can relate to the masonic phrase 'deus meam que jus' which means 2 equal heads or two brain hemispheres coming together. It can also represent the past and future. The crown above that can represent kether on the kabbalistic tree of life or the pineal gland activated when brain hemispheres are working synergistically to fire up the neo-cortex and open up the crown chakra. It can also symbolise, on the earthly plane, the 'crown' from which the british army and legal system derives its authority which could be said to be the top of the freemasonic hierarchy which is currently run by the black lodge

 

The ram is a symbol of courage and taking action in the world. It is aries which as the first house of the zodiac then represents the renewal of the sun

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Who is the Corporation of the City of London REMEMBRANCER?

 

Do you know what the Remembrancer is?

 

City Remembrancer made a Master of Middle Temple

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https://www.jamestumbridge.com/news/city-remembrancer-made-master-middle-temple

 

The Guardian rarely has an informative article, but this old one is definitely worth a read.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/31/corporation-london-city-medieval

The medieval, unaccountable Corporation of London is ripe for protest

In one respect at least the Corporation acts as the superior body: it imposes on the House of Commons a figure called the remembrancer: an official lobbyist who sits behind the Speaker's chair and ensures that, whatever our elected representatives might think, the City's rights and privileges are protected. The mayor of London's mandate stops at the boundaries of the Square Mile. There are, as if in a novel by China Miéville, two cities, one of which must unsee the other.

Several governments have tried to democratise the City of London but all, threatened by its financial might, have failed. As Clement Attlee lamented, "over and over again we have seen that there is in this country another power than that which has its seat at Westminster."

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On 10/16/2022 at 3:16 PM, Human10 said:

I wonder how it's being kicked for not paying a subscription at level 33 🤣

 

the 33rd degree is an honourary degree given to masons who have contributed to the higher lodges. The degrees above this are the illuminated degrees dealing with going WITHIN into the self. The motto of the 33rd degree is 'ordo ab chao' which conspiracy theorists often tie to the process david has called 'problem, reaction, solution, but it can refer to the breaking down of the ego of the individual who then realises that they must change to live in accordance with natural law

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On 10/16/2022 at 7:16 PM, Campion said:

I have a book I've not read yet read called 'The Temple and the Lodge' by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, on possible links with the Templars. 

 

In that book they say that the sicilian court of the hohenstauffen emperor freidrich III became a veritable clearing house for judaic and islamic currents of thought. They then go on to say that the templars were another and perhaps THE major conduit for such currents. They say that the templars maintained cordial relations with islam and judaism and are said to have had ambitions to reconcile them with christianity

 

Certainly today we see the jesuit pope pushing for the creation of a one world government, bank and religion

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I believe the title of this thread is misleading. I can't find any 'new' information, just the usual conjecture.

 

Of course, I realise that anyone who is privy to the internal affairs of the Freemasons will be unlikely to identify themselves on this site so therefore everything you read here will have to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

I believe the title of this thread is misleading. I can't find any 'new' information, just the usual conjecture.

 

Of course, I realise that anyone who is privy to the internal affairs of the Freemasons will be unlikely to identify themselves on this site so therefore everything you read here will have to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride.

 

 

 


OK reveal time. I was raised by an "elite" family. Dun dun duuuuuuun. No, you nor anyone else has to believe that, my information comes from my upbringing rather than conjecture.

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24 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


OK reveal time. I was raised by an "elite" family. Dun dun duuuuuuun. No, you nor anyone else has to believe that, my information comes from my upbringing rather than conjecture.

 

Ah, ok. Well, certainly no 'elite' upbringing for me, but the small snippets I've been able to add to the dicussion do come from direct experience. 😉

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

The black and white checkboard on their hats in UK is a freemason symbol, or at least is as well as whatever that tartan is regarding on the hats.
220px-Sillitoe_Tartan_black_and_white.svg.png

Edit: and I quoted the wrong quote from you!

 

Well it's interesting. I know that a friend"s husband who was a copper was forced by his employers the give up his Masonic membership, and was angry about it - quite a few years ago, but can't be specific as I can't remember.

 

I've just done a really quick search on it (am at work so not much time) and found that between '98 & 2009 police were forced to declare their membership, but it does not say they had to give it up, making me think that the ultimatum was given to mate's hubby by his line manager rather than it being a policy adopted by the force. 

 

However, apparently that declaration requirement was put a stop to by Jack Straw!

 

So I've learnt something new. 

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2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

with charities you have to look at where the money actually goes. For example if the beneficiaries of the 'charities' are themselves freemasons or projects that benefit freemasons then that's just them giving money to themselves

 

 

That's not reality. The reality is that if you are in the lodge 'you will never be short of work'

 

 

The lodge system is completely controlled from the top by the dark occultists. Its their thing

 

 

boring old dears who are handing their 'dues' money to an organisation that then controls those funds centrally for purposes that are unknown to grassroots membership.

 

Will reply in detail to your points later, but I believe many LOCAL charities are a different kettle of fish from the big organisations. 

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13 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

Ah, ok. Well, certainly no 'elite' upbringing for me, but the small snippets I've been able to add to the dicussion do come from direct experience. 😉

 

 

 

You dont want an "elite" upbringing, take my word on that one. Yes mine come from experience, unless I am just asking questions of course or clearly saying its opinion otherwise its based in something somewhere. 

WHAT RANK DID YOU GET TO!? Post the apron picture, still got your pips? 

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With regard to those of us 'ordinary folk' wanting to join  a Lodge, it mostly has nothing to do with ancient secrets, paedo rings, satanism or any of that crap.

 

Most new members are there beacuse a family member or close friend is also a member, or because they are curious and have asked to be put forward themselves. Prior to joining I'd say the majority have never heard of Solomon's Temple, Tracing Boards or the names given to the two pillars outside the Lodge. They are there because they like to socialise and maybe like to feel part of a group that has strong traditions, supports the local community and provides you with a free roast dinner whenver you visit other lodges!

 

Simple as!

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

You dont want an "elite" upbringing, take my word on that one. Yes mine come from experience, unless I am just asking questions of course or clearly saying its opinion otherwise its based in something somewhere. 

WHAT RANK DID YOU GET TO!? Post the apron picture, still got your pips? 

 

MM. Brother-in-law was WM.

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I think I stuck it out for about 3 years but by that time other far more interesting things were taking up most of my spare time (plus I'd found out there were no real secrets to be found or advantages to be had). If anyone's interested, this is basically how every meeting went ...

 

  • SIgn in.
  • Put our 'pinnies' on and enter the meeting room.
  • Perform whatever 'ritual' had been declared for that night. (By ritual, I just mean the stages each degree has to go through to become either Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, or Master Mason).
  • This was followed by a general meeting discussing the latest topics, including a statement from the treasurer and details of any charitable donations made by the Lodge and other Lodges in the area.
  • Next .................... DINNER! And it was always bloody lovely. Yes, there were female cooks in the Lodge too who helped prepare the food.
  • This was all followed by various members standing up and telling jokes, anecdotes, singing songs etc and the bar was open to help things along!

Believe me, your ordinary Masons meeting was half boredom, half feeding, and half getting pissed and having a laugh (by which time you actually did think that three halves made a whole!).

 

Then staggered home, took off the old whistling flute ( for a while I believed my brother in law was a snooker referee. That's what he used to tell us anyway!) and hit the sack. Nothing to see here, just a canny night out.

 

So, no matter what you've heard, that is the basic life of 90-odd percent of the Freemasons in this country. I know nothing of higher degrees so won't comment on them. I knew of no dodgy characters in our Lodge and can confirm that some were Police and one was a DCI (This was many years ago, sometime in the early 80's but I doubt much has changed since).

 

Hope that helps clear up some of the confusion.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

I think I stuck it out for about 3 years but by that time other far more interesting things were taking up most of my spare time (plus I'd found out there were no real secrets to be found or advantages to be had). If anyone's interested, this is basically how every meeting went ...

 

  • SIgn in.
  • Put our 'pinnies' on and enter the meeting room.
  • Perform whatever 'ritual' had been declared for that night. (By ritual, I just mean the stages each degree has to go through to become either Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, or Master Mason).
  • This was followed by a general meeting discussing the latest topics, including a statement from the treasurer and details of any charitable donations made by the Lodge and other Lodges in the area.
  • Next .................... DINNER! And it was always bloody lovely. Yes, there were female cooks in the Lodge too who helped prepare the food.
  • This was all followed by various members standing up and telling jokes, anecdotes, singing songs etc and the bar was open to help things along!

Believe me, your ordinary Masons meeting was half boredom, half feeding, and half getting pissed and having a laugh (by which time you actually did think that three halves made a whole!).

 

Then staggered home, took off the old whistling flute ( for a while I believed my brother in law was a snooker referee. That's what he used to tell us anyway!) and hit the sack. Nothing to see here, just a canny night out.

 

So, no matter what you've heard, that is the basic life of 90-odd percent of the Freemasons in this country. I know nothing of higher degrees so won't comment on them. I knew of no dodgy characters in our Lodge and can confirm that some were Police and one was a DCI (This was many years ago, sometime in the early 80's but I doubt much has changed since).

 

Hope that helps clear up some of the confusion.

 

 

 

WHat's baby's cooking time? 😂

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1 hour ago, webtrekker said:

With regard to those of us 'ordinary folk' wanting to join  a Lodge, it mostly has nothing to do with ancient secrets, paedo rings, satanism or any of that crap.

 

Most new members are there beacuse a family member or close friend is also a member, or because they are curious and have asked to be put forward themselves. Prior to joining I'd say the majority have never heard of Solomon's Temple, Tracing Boards or the names given to the two pillars outside the Lodge. They are there because they like to socialise and maybe like to feel part of a group that has strong traditions, supports the local community and provides you with a free roast dinner whenver you visit other lodges!

 

Simple as!

 

no its not as simple as that. I think most people at grassroots level join to improve their work or business prospects. Those that join because their family member is involved are likely informed by their family member that membership will convey advantages in life

 

Not understanding what an organisation is about or where your money is going is not a good excuse for joining a group.

 

the dark occultists control institutionalised LODGE freemasonry and they are the people behind all the things that conspiracy theorists talk about like ritual abuse and corruption and so on so if you join their hierarchical pyramid even at a low level your due money is going to be going into their pocket

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2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

with charities you have to look at where the money actually goes. For example if the beneficiaries of the 'charities' are themselves freemasons or projects that benefit freemasons then that's just them giving money to themselves

 

Well these were well known local charities who do rely on donations just to stay going, and I'm not of the belief that corruption in some places automatically makes everyone involved in charitable activites a wrong un. 

 

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

 

That's not reality. The reality is that if you are in the lodge 'you will never be short of work'

 

That's a myth. The vast majority of the blokes in the ex's lodge were retired & living on their pensions. The few that were working (including my husband) were in entirely different fields. How much business did my x pick up from the lodge for his business in structural steel drafting designing & detailing? None whatsoever. How much business did my dad get from the lodge for his antique dealing? None at all. How much business did his closest mate there pick up from the lodge in for his haulage company. None whatsoever. I could go on, but I hope you get the point. Once again, at a higher level, it's almost certainly a community that's rife for palm greasing and dodgy dealings. But I think anyone who believes it's the norm is paranoid.

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

 

The lodge system is completely controlled from the top by the dark occultists. Its their thing

 

I think you're right. But it's nonsense to believe that there's any knowledge in the lower ranks.

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

 

boring old dears who are handing their 'dues' money to an organisation that then controls those funds centrally for purposes that are unknown to grassroots membership.

 

Really? What I witnessed was that their membership fees paid for the venues, drinks were paid for at the bar by the members and drunk by them, meals at functions were paid for by the members, and eaten by them, and all other resources raised were  specifically for, and donated to, local charities, such as Derian House for eg.

 

I don't like the Masonic Lodge set ups even at the ordinary level, because I don't see why there has to be any men only club, or any with 'ritual' involved. The x's take on that was that it was all designed to encourage kindness & decency to their fellow men, and although a bit of a drag, it was therefore the glue that held them together. While this is an illusion created by the ones at the top, it doesn't alter the fact that that's what the lower ranks believe themselves to be involved it.

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