Nurse on trial for murdering babies.

[numnuts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-63201201

 

'Nurse Lucy Letby poisoned babies with insulin, trial told.'

[numnuts]

I am always a bit wary, when I see what I think is a case of 'trial by mass media' occurring. Look at the headlines of most of today's masonic rags. The headline of The Sun, underneath the caption 'PROSECUTOR TELLS COURT' in far smaller letters, has to be the most concerning. Then, I would lump together the headlines of the Metro, the Daily Express and the Daily Mirror as quite concerning. The other headlines are less concerning, but, overall, I am still feeling an agenda here. I am speculating, as to whether this nurse may be taking the rap for a society chap, who went totally fruitcake. It is well known that they do like to keep their dirty laundry 'In Da House'.  

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-63209400

 

METRO

THE 'BABY POISONER'.

 

DAILY EXPRESS

'POISONER AT WORK' NURSE 'KILLED' 7 BABIES.

 

DAILY MIRROR

'POISONER' ON THE BABY WARD.

 

THE TIMES

NHS NURSE IN DOCK FOR 'MURDERING SEVEN BABIES'.

 

THE SUN

POSION NURSE KILLED 7 BABIES... AND TRIED TO MURDER 10 MORE.

 

DAILY MAIL

'MALEVOLENT' NURSE ACCUSED OF MURDERING SEVEN BABIES.

 

THE GUARDIAN

NURSE ACCUSED OF MURDERING SEVEN BABIES.

 

THE DAILY TELEGRAPH

NURSE USED INSULIN TO KILL BABIES, TRIAL TOLD.

 

DAILY STAR

'POISONER ON BABY WARD' IN THE DOCK.

[Tinfoil Hat]

Those headlines are applicable on a grand scale regarding the NHS & Government.

[Macnamara]

you'd think this sort of thing would be picked up on quicker

Edited October 11, 2022 by Macnamara

[northern star]

Smacks of Harold Shipman and Beverley Allitt, a sole operator the public can focus their hate on, to hide the widespread genocide in hospitals, covered up by the government and the media. You can bet there will be no real investigation, as with serial killers, just the "she acted alone" theory. Why is no-one ever aware this is happening in the hospitals to blow the whistle?

I reckon they are rewarded as part of a satanic sacrificial cult operating in these places. Any research into SRA shows this is exactly how they operate. As Numnuts says, taking the rap for a wider operation in higher circles.

Edited October 11, 2022 by northern star

[Useyournous]

I think we make ourselves vulnerable by blindly believing people in these professions and volunteers do it for the love of people, but a sick pattern is emerging showing that these professionals do it for the status, attention, adrenalin rush and glory and there will sadly be the odd person amongst them who actually has a heart. A stark reality check. Nothing is a vocation anymore, it's all climb, climb, climb. The nice professionals will be the ones who get no attention whatsoever. If she did this, she is a demon.

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, Useyournous said:

A stark reality check. Nothing is a vocation anymore, it's all climb, climb, climb. The nice professionals will be the ones who get no attention whatsoever.

 

sharks swim in all waters

[Shake]

She didn't act alone. 

[Captainlove]

20 hours ago, Useyournous said:

I think we make ourselves vulnerable by blindly believing people in these professions and volunteers do it for the love of people, but a sick pattern is emerging showing that these professionals do it for the status, attention, adrenalin rush and glory and there will sadly be the odd person amongst them who actually has a heart. A stark reality check. Nothing is a vocation anymore, it's all climb, climb, climb. The nice professionals will be the ones who get no attention whatsoever. If she did this, she is a demon.

I worked for the NHS for 14 years and believe me alot of the staff i worked with,doctors,nurses etc didnt really care a toss for patients. Some doctors i  knew were just in it for status and money. This includes nurses and other medical proffesionals. There were a few that were caring but not many,most were happy to follow what ever they were told to do.

I left when i saw what was happening,I also had a manager who was a bully,As they didnt like me questioning there orders.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Captainlove

[Niknik]

On 10/12/2022 at 10:13 AM, Shake said:

She didn't act alone. 

 

I believe she did.People are capable of heinous behaviour,this is just the extreme tip of a very large Iceburg in Humanity's Psyche.

 

Below this person and Shipman there are a small proportion of psychopaths and bullies who may not kill but they certainly get a kick or satisfy their superiority God Complex by hurting,humiliating and breaking others.

 

They are to be found in most walks of life,whether petty individuals at work or powertripping egotists in governments.

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

On 10/11/2022 at 6:57 PM, northern star said:

Smacks of Harold Shipman and Beverley Allitt, a sole operator the public can focus their hate on, to hide the widespread genocide in hospitals, covered up by the government and the media. You can bet there will be no real investigation, as with serial killers, just the "she acted alone" theory. Why is no-one ever aware this is happening in the hospitals to blow the whistle?

I reckon they are rewarded as part of a satanic sacrificial cult operating in these places. Any research into SRA shows this is exactly how they operate. As Numnuts says, taking the rap for a wider operation in higher circles.

 

i just saw a newspaper article in the daily mail saying that she left post-it notes around her flat saying that she did it and was evil and stuff like that which struck me as weird

 

surely a person going back to repeatedly carry out murders against the most vulnerable and helpless people on the planet would be a stone cold psycho who would not experience regret like that?

 

Maybe i'm wrong about that, i don't know....i just thought it was weird and it made me think again about your idea and whether or not that might be what's going on here. Is she just the fall-guy of something bigger?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11310989/I-EVIL-DID-Court-shown-handwritten-confessions-penned-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html

[CarpeDiem]

I am not sure if the woman accused acted alone, acted of her own free will or even carried out the things she is accused of. All I know is it is a sad, sad situation. Maybe she is one sick individual? I do not know.

The timing of this trial is questionable for me. It is obvious there is something planned for the NHS…..I think the illusion that was ‘Covid’ was amongst everything else it destroyed, also meant to destroy the NHS…….which lets face it, if you believe the reports, it is now only a matter of time before complete NHS collapse (or rather government claiming it is no longer viable).

 

Once the NHS has been gotten rid of, people will have to pay to see a quack and then be ripped off for any treatment the quack recommends for their ailments.That’s if you can afford to see a quack that is…..perfect ey! The poor left to suffer whilst the rich (for now) get what they need.

 

Everything on MSM and I mean EVERYTHING about the NHS is extremely negative. What is the one thing msm does to turn the public against someone or some organisation they are told to….well let’s take Ukraine……how many times have you heard, seen or read that a missile has landed near a school or nursery OR better still a maternity ward and killed x amount of children and/or babies. A missile launched by Putin…….the very person they are trying to alienate. They always use children and babies to get the public enraged….if they can throw in a few images that is even better.

 

So back to the trial. Why now, why an NHS nurse, why babies?

Maybe she is a sick, psycho, pig. If she is I hope she gets what she deserves. If there is anything else to this I hope one day the truth is exposed. Whatever, it is all extremely sad and my heart goes out to those caught up in it. 

[northern star]

On 10/12/2022 at 3:57 PM, Captainlove said:

I worked for the NHS for 14 years and believe me alot of the staff i worked with,doctors,nurses etc didnt really care a toss for patients. Some doctors i  knew were just in it for status and money. This includes nurses and other medical proffesionals. There were a few that were caring but not many,most were happy to follow what ever they were told to do.

I left when i saw what was happening,I also had a manager who was a bully,As they didnt like me questioning there orders.

 

I was chatting a while back with a workman doing some work at my place, and he told me his wife was a maternity nurse. He said she loved the job but the hierarchy and bullying of the staff was so off the scale she was forced to leave the job. Dont know if thats indicatve all over the country but was surprised such a thing went on in what you'd expect to be a very caring department and environment. And something very strange going on in Telford and Stafford with all the baby deaths over the decades. Im sure theres something much more ominous going on than just a one off crazy woman. And as I said further up, where was the authority and supervision that allowed this to happen? Why arent her superiors being mentioned?

 

 

[Anti Facts Sir]

Interesting name for the accused. Letby.

 

She was "let by" whom to carry out these alleged murders?

[Useyournous]

It is getting interesting because the prosecution have got a retired in 2009 (expert) who mostly worked in the 90s giving his hands-on experience of what should and should not be practice in caring for these babies. Equipment, medicines and practice change so rapidly that I expect the defence to ask, "what is a ......for?", "what do you do when.... occurs?" etc. Demonstrating how out of touch he is. He will have got a massive sum for his reports! At this stage I'm on the fence about her guilt after admittedly falling for the ambush from the prosecution. The babies' parents and her parents have gone through years of this - terrible. And maybe her if she's not done it?

[Sterna]

I think she’s guilty as hell, the disgusting little slag! 

[Artie Fufkin]

19 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Interesting name for the accused. Letby.

 

She was "let by" whom to carry out these alleged murders?

'Lucy' is derived from Latin, Luci meaning light, as featured  in the word Lucifer,. Letby or Let by, is to allow one to pass by or around somebody or something. There's certainly no light in this story as regarding public knowledge.

[Mikhail Liebestein]

Sadly the UK has a history of this:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer

 

Amelia Dyer killed many infants in the 1800s.

Looks strangely trans to me?

[Anti Facts Sir]

Was gonna say, looks like a bloke to me!

[Tinfoil Hat]

1 hour ago, Mikhail Liebestein said:

Sadly the UK has a history of this:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer

 

Amelia Dyer killed many infants in the 1800s.

Looks strangely trans to me?

 

 

Yes, that's got to be a bloke. Looks like Old Mother Riley.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Tinfoil Hat

[numnuts]

A hybrid of the baddie in 'The Devil Rides Out' (1968) and Lord Bellamy out of 'Upstairs, Downstairs' (1971-1975). Kind of... 

Edited October 14, 2022 by numnuts

[RidgyDidgy]

cant quite work out which  british celebrity it looks like

[Macnamara]

On 10/13/2022 at 2:41 PM, Macnamara said:

i just saw a newspaper article in the daily mail saying that she left post-it notes around her flat saying that she did it and was evil and stuff like that which struck me as weird

 

surely a person going back to repeatedly carry out murders against the most vulnerable and helpless people on the planet would be a stone cold psycho who would not experience regret like that?

 

Maybe i'm wrong about that, i don't know....i just thought it was weird and it made me think again about your idea and whether or not that might be what's going on here. Is she just the fall-guy of something bigger?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11310989/I-EVIL-DID-Court-shown-handwritten-confessions-penned-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html

 

this is the kind of story that suggests that there is something far bigger going on here than just a single psycho nurse killing babies in one hospital; maybe she is the fall guy to hide a much deeper problem:

Covering up NHS scandals should become ILLEGAL, demands damning report into latest 'catastrophic' maternity scandal at East Kent Hospitals where culture of denial saw 45 babies die needlessly

• Author of East Kent probe says staff covering up scandals should become illegal
• The latest investigation into NHS maternity care found 45 babies died needlessly
• Both investigators and families say change is needed to stop similar tragedies 

By John Ely Senior Health Reporter For Mailonline

Published: 09:57 BST, 20 October 2022 | Updated: 10:45 BST, 20 October 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11335399/Covering-NHS-scandals-criminal-offence-author-East-Kent-probe-says.html

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

On 10/13/2022 at 2:41 PM, Macnamara said:

 

i just saw a newspaper article in the daily mail saying that she left post-it notes around her flat saying that she did it and was evil and stuff like that which struck me as weird

 

surely a person going back to repeatedly carry out murders against the most vulnerable and helpless people on the planet would be a stone cold psycho who would not experience regret like that?

 

Maybe i'm wrong about that, i don't know....i just thought it was weird and it made me think again about your idea and whether or not that might be what's going on here. Is she just the fall-guy of something bigger?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11310989/I-EVIL-DID-Court-shown-handwritten-confessions-penned-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html

 

looks like the on call doctor steered the parents away from agreeing to a postmortem of one of the murdered children so that they could not identify what was going on:

Doctor apologises in court to parents of baby boy 'murdered by nurse Lucy Letby' for not 'pushing' for post-mortem examination

• Neonatal nurse, 32, alleged to have administered fatal amount of air into Baby E
• The premature-born twin was the fourth baby said to have been killed by Letby
• A consultant paediatrician apologised to the baby's parents in court today
• Emotional doctor said she said she wished she had 'pushed' for post-mortem

By Nigel Bunyan and Jamie Phillips For Mailonline

Published: 19:27 GMT, 16 November 2022 | Updated: 21:08 GMT, 16 November 2022

Jurors heard that the initial cause of death entered on the infant's death certificate was  necrotising enterocolitis (NEC) - a serious gastro-intestinal disorder. 

But she has since changed her mind, believing she hacd given insufficient weight to other factors shown up both in his clinical observations and in an abdominal x-ray that showed no sign of NEC. 

The doctor told the court: 'At the time I felt (Baby E) had NEC which had led to his collapse and deterioration so I discussed that with the coroner and we agreed for that to be put as (Baby E's) cause of death.'

Speaking of her regret over the initial listed cause of death, she continued: 'A post-mortem would take place if we didn't feel we had a cause of death. It can be requested for any baby who dies if the parents want that investigation.

'The parents were understandably devastated that Baby E had died and were not keen on a post-mortem and I didn't want to make a terrible situation any worse so I didn't push, which is something I now regret.'

Ben Myers KC, defending, asked: 'This is precisely the type of situation where a post-mortem would have been very helpful, isn't it?'

The doctor replied: 'And I regret for not pushing for a post-mortem at that time.'

Mr Myers then said: 'But at the time you were questioning NEC and at the time you didn't have an obvious explanation?'

The witness answered: 'I completely agree with hindsight. I should have requested a post-mortem. I was keen to avoid that, to avoid any distress.'

She turned to Baby E's parents and said: 'I apologise to them that I didn't push for that.'

Mr Myers suggested: 'You, in effect, steered them away from a post-mortem?'

The doctor replied: 'I don't believe that was the case.'

Yesterday, Baby E's mother told jurors the doctor informed them that a post-mortem 'would not tell us very much'.

She said she and her husband decided against asking for one 'largely' because it was explained to them there was 'little point'.

Dr David Harkness, a registrar on the unit, contacted the consultant paediatrician at home following Baby E's collapse.

She arrived at 12.25am to find see her colleague trying to ventilate Baby E via an airway.

Three nurses were also in the room – Caroline Oakley, doing compressions, with Belinda Simcock and Letby preparing the drugs needed for the resuscitation.

A trainee, Dr Christopher Wood, was acting as ‘scribe’ to record the events as they happened.

CPR was stopped at 1.23am and at 1.40am the paediatrician confirmed the infant’s death. In the medical notes she wrote: 'RIP E'.

Under cross-examination by Mr Myers, the doctor agreed that she should have got to the neonatal unit earlier than she had. But she did not think it would have made any difference.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11436181/Doctor-apologises-court-parents-baby-boy-murdered-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html

 

[Macnamara]

On 11/16/2022 at 11:44 PM, Macnamara said:

 

looks like the on call doctor steered the parents away from agreeing to a postmortem of one of the murdered children so that they could not identify what was going on:

Doctor apologises in court to parents of baby boy 'murdered by nurse Lucy Letby' for not 'pushing' for post-mortem examination

• Neonatal nurse, 32, alleged to have administered fatal amount of air into Baby E
• The premature-born twin was the fourth baby said to have been killed by Letby
• A consultant paediatrician apologised to the baby's parents in court today
• Emotional doctor said she said she wished she had 'pushed' for post-mortem

By Nigel Bunyan and Jamie Phillips For Mailonline

Published: 19:27 GMT, 16 November 2022 | Updated: 21:08 GMT, 16 November 2022

Jurors heard that the initial cause of death entered on the infant's death certificate was  necrotising enterocolitis (NEC) - a serious gastro-intestinal disorder. 

But she has since changed her mind, believing she hacd given insufficient weight to other factors shown up both in his clinical observations and in an abdominal x-ray that showed no sign of NEC. 

The doctor told the court: 'At the time I felt (Baby E) had NEC which had led to his collapse and deterioration so I discussed that with the coroner and we agreed for that to be put as (Baby E's) cause of death.'

Speaking of her regret over the initial listed cause of death, she continued: 'A post-mortem would take place if we didn't feel we had a cause of death. It can be requested for any baby who dies if the parents want that investigation.

'The parents were understandably devastated that Baby E had died and were not keen on a post-mortem and I didn't want to make a terrible situation any worse so I didn't push, which is something I now regret.'

Ben Myers KC, defending, asked: 'This is precisely the type of situation where a post-mortem would have been very helpful, isn't it?'

The doctor replied: 'And I regret for not pushing for a post-mortem at that time.'

Mr Myers then said: 'But at the time you were questioning NEC and at the time you didn't have an obvious explanation?'

The witness answered: 'I completely agree with hindsight. I should have requested a post-mortem. I was keen to avoid that, to avoid any distress.'

She turned to Baby E's parents and said: 'I apologise to them that I didn't push for that.'

Mr Myers suggested: 'You, in effect, steered them away from a post-mortem?'

The doctor replied: 'I don't believe that was the case.'

Yesterday, Baby E's mother told jurors the doctor informed them that a post-mortem 'would not tell us very much'.

She said she and her husband decided against asking for one 'largely' because it was explained to them there was 'little point'.

Dr David Harkness, a registrar on the unit, contacted the consultant paediatrician at home following Baby E's collapse.

She arrived at 12.25am to find see her colleague trying to ventilate Baby E via an airway.

Three nurses were also in the room – Caroline Oakley, doing compressions, with Belinda Simcock and Letby preparing the drugs needed for the resuscitation.

A trainee, Dr Christopher Wood, was acting as ‘scribe’ to record the events as they happened.

CPR was stopped at 1.23am and at 1.40am the paediatrician confirmed the infant’s death. In the medical notes she wrote: 'RIP E'.

Under cross-examination by Mr Myers, the doctor agreed that she should have got to the neonatal unit earlier than she had. But she did not think it would have made any difference.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11436181/Doctor-apologises-court-parents-baby-boy-murdered-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html

 

 

so now we have a second doctor on the stand in the trial over the death of baby E

 

So to reiterate the first doctor in the article above was the on call consultant whose advice, according to the parents testimony in that newspaper article, led to the parents not pursuing an autopsy which would have helped identify issues that may have brought this criminality to light faster. The question is: are the doctors involved in a cover-up here?

 

This second doctor, in the article below, was the doctor at the hospital at the time of the babies death and is described as a trainee, is being accused of having not intervened medically quickly enough to save the babies life so there is a question of possible negligence there. Hopefully we are only talking here about a wrong judgement call rather than something more nefarious like an organised culling of british babies...

Doctor denies he was 'out of his depth and made 'serious mistake' in care of baby 'murdered by nurse Lucy Letby'

• Dr David Harkness rejected claims he was 'too slow' in treating Child E
• Child E is the fourth baby prosecutors claim was murdered by Lucy Letby
• Prosecutors claim Letby injected a fatal amount of air into its bloodstream
• Letby's defence suggested the baby instead died from 'acute blood loss'  

By Darren Boyle for MailOnline

Published: 20:04 GMT, 17 November 2022 | Updated: 20:05 GMT, 17 November 2022

A doctor has denied he was 'out of his depth' and that he made a 'serious mistake' in his care of a baby allegedly murdered by nurse Lucy Letby.

Dr David Harkness rejected claims he was 'far too slow' in ordering an emergency blood transfusion for the boy while he was treated at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015.

The death of the premature-born twin, referred to as Child E, was the fourth baby murdered at the neo-natal unit by the defendant in a six-week period, according to the prosecution.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11440759/Louise-Letby-case-Doctor-denies-depth.html