Lucy Letby - Nurse on trial for murdering babies.

[Anti Facts Sir]

Probably gets his pay cheque from the same source as Nige.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

Watched the first 10 minutes of the above interview with David Davis. Although he seems quite 'balanced', the alarming thing is that straight off the bat he talks about 'are juries really capable of understanding complex stats' - loosely quoted I have to confess. That made me wonder if Letby will be found not guilty, the sentence overthrown, and a inquiry into how this happened with a recommendation of changing jury trials.

 

We are starting to see all the control mechanisms put in place over the last few years, why should we be surprised that one of the cornerstones of our justice system (the right to a trial by a jury of your peers) is also not under attack. 

[Observations]

4 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

the alarming thing is that straight off the bat he talks about 'are juries really capable of understanding complex stats'

That’s interesting, thanks. It would be typical that the jury take the rap, or at least some of it? 
 

There’s no patience in the agenda is there? No finesse Just hit it ‘swiftly’ with a sledgehammer til ‘you’ get ‘your’ PR Solution. 
 

I’ve just remembered; I read that the jury may have been influenced by the media, so the internet can take some of the blame too. Excellent  

[dirtydog]

5 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Watched the first 10 minutes of the above interview with David Davis. Although he seems quite 'balanced', the alarming thing is that straight off the bat he talks about 'are juries really capable of understanding complex stats' - loosely quoted I have to confess. That made me wonder if Letby will be found not guilty, the sentence overthrown, and a inquiry into how this happened with a recommendation of changing jury trials.

 

We are starting to see all the control mechanisms put in place over the last few years, why should we be surprised that one of the cornerstones of our justice system (the right to a trial by a jury of your peers) is also not under attack. 

 

The jury system isn't infallible, it has known flaws and this case is a perfect example. Such a long trial with months upon months of tedious medical detail which few would understand, is not something which is likely to result in a safe verdict. You are asking a jury of lay people to pass judgement on something way beyond their competence. Essentially you're asking them to guess. The trial was a farce, the verdict is unsafe and the conviction should be overturned. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

Just now, dirtydog said:

 

The jury system isn't infallible, it has known flaws and this case is a perfect example. Such a long trial with months upon months of tedious medical detail which few would understand, is not something which is likely to result in a safe verdict. You are asking a jury of lay people to pass judgement on something way beyond their competence. Essentially you're asking them to guess. The trial was a farce, the verdict is unsafe and the conviction should be overturned. 

No, I totally agree. My point wasn't that the trial was a good one from any perspective, simply that 'trial by jury' is still one of the best ways for justice to be served. The problem in this case, is that no decent defence was provided by LL's defence team, no cross examination of the key witness who seems to not even really be an expert in his field, and nobody from the defence to counter all the statistical evidence put forward by the prosecution. My point is that as difficult as it is for a jury, the whole point is that the prosecution and defence are meant bring in expert testimony and then the judge assist the jury in working through it. None of this seems to have occurred in this case so it was a very negligent defence team rather than a jury issue. 

[Anti Facts Sir]

2 hours ago, Observations said:

I’ve just remembered; I read that the jury may have been influenced by the media, so the internet can take some of the blame too. Excellent  

All that far-right misinformation on social media.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

10 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Watched the first 10 minutes of the above interview with David Davis. Although he seems quite 'balanced', the alarming thing is that straight off the bat he talks about 'are juries really capable of understanding complex stats' - loosely quoted I have to confess. That made me wonder if Letby will be found not guilty, the sentence overthrown, and a inquiry into how this happened with a recommendation of changing jury trials.

 

We are starting to see all the control mechanisms put in place over the last few years, why should we be surprised that one of the cornerstones of our justice system (the right to a trial by a jury of your peers) is also not under attack. 

 

I suspect that we may be in the early stages of removing judges and jury trials and leaving it in the hands of AI. I commented in a similar vein in the Russell Brand thread.

 

On 9/19/2023 at 6:54 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Looking at the Brand allegations amid other cases of late, including Huw Edwards and the Lucy Letby trial, I wonder if AI will be presented as the “solution” to the aforementioned “problem” particularly within the context of the mental distress that arises from trial by media or otherwise. The narrative apparently being woven suggests that human judgement cannot be trusted – it can be biased, influenced or bought against a backdrop where it is becoming increasingly difficult to discern truth amid fake news and competing narratives. Where there is one person's word against another, the human mind is “hackable” and any secrets could be rooted out.

 

Algorithms could therefore attract buy in from the masses if touted as completely fact oriented and unbiased when compared to human decision makers and, indeed, Harari has identified that replacing human instincts as such is an ideological trend coming from Silicon Valley known as “Dataism”. That is why I suggest that it may not matter, from an angle of observing the agenda, whether Brand, Edwards or Letby are innocent or not – all that is needed is for there to be doubt over our existing means of determining guilt and consent which could lead to calls for reform and thus paving the way for a pre-planned "solution".

 

AI, including ChatGPT, is now starting to creep into use in the courts and AI Judicial Guidance was issued in December 2023 for its responsible use. ChatGPT has been used to help draft summaries of the law and has assisted judges in making their decisions.

 

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinion/chatgpt-on-trial-responsible-ai-use-in-the-courts/5120688.article

 

A severe and highly publicised miscarriage of justice could help in pave the way for the removal of human decision makers - especially lay people. AI could be touted as the solution by way of its ability to sift through, understand and analyse expert data and because of its supposed impartiality.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

8 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

I suspect that we may be in the early stages of removing judges and jury trials and leaving it in the hands of AI. I commented in a similar vein in the Russell Brand thread.

 

 

AI, including ChatGPT, is now starting to creep into use in the courts and AI Judicial Guidance was issued in December 2023 for its responsible use. ChatGPT has been used to help draft summaries of the law and has assisted judges in making their decisions.

 

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinion/chatgpt-on-trial-responsible-ai-use-in-the-courts/5120688.article

 

A severe and highly publicised miscarriage of justice could help in pave the way for the removal of human decision makers - especially lay people. AI could be touted as the solution by way of its ability to sift through, understand and analyse expert data and because of its supposed impartiality.

Thanks for posting this, I must have missed you previously posting this - very alarming but not totally unexpected. They are preparing the population for everything being automatic, no right of reply, no chance to plead your case with a real human being, you are either in or out with no negotiation, and I am talking about society in general here. It is no surprise that they would extend all that to the legal system too; using cases like Letby's and maybe other cases quickly following to say that 'humans are inherently biased and cannot be trusted to be fully impartial, but AI can'. 

 

We know that is not the case of course, but that is how it will be pushed. I had not really considered that AI angle when I posted my thoughts, I was more thinking simply that as a cornerstone of society, the trial be jury will be destroyed like everything else. That 'The computer says no' has never been so relevant. 

[Katsika]

 

At 9mins - the ex cop tells "the doctors surrounding that case that initiated the police investigation into LL link very quickly to G Maxwell, R Maxwell and therefore G Epstein"

[Katsika]

https://rumble.com/v5clhfg-eyewitness-epstein-shapeshifted-into-a-reptilian-during-orgasm-video-135.html

 

Eyewitness: Epstein Shapeshifted into a Reptilian During Orgasm – Video #135

 

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

On 8/31/2024 at 10:05 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I, including ChatGPT, is now starting to creep into use in the courts and AI Judicial Guidance was issued in December 2023 for its responsible use. ChatGPT has been used to help draft summaries of the law and has assisted judges in making their decisions.

The U.S. District Court for the Western District of North Carolina has just banned its use. Any attorney who files a brief or memorandum in that jurisdiction must also file an affidavit that AI was not used. Judges are getting sick of it.

[northern star]

I wonder if this could have a connection to the Moors Murders, and many other atrocities, including the Lucy Letby case?

 

Babies and children among 300 bodies in mass grave

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mn714gr1no

 

A mass grave containing more than 300 bodies, including babies and children, has been uncovered.

An unmarked burial site at Royton Cemetery in Oldham contained 145 stillborn children, 128 babies and young children and 29 adults, local councillors said.

The discovery of the grave, which is about 12 ft (3.6m) by 12ft, was made by a woman from Royton while she was searching for the last resting place of her twin brothers, who died in 1962.

Councillors Maggie Hurley and Jade Hughes said it was a "heartbreaking revelation" and have called for a memorial to be built for all those buried there.

 

The woman told councillors, who assisted in her search, that her parents had never been able to say goodbye to her twin brothers.

One of them had been stillborn and the other had died within five hours of birth, she said.

Before the 1980s, stillborn babies were taken away from families who were not given any details of what happened to their babies or where they were buried.

Medical staff would tell bereaved parents their children would be buried alongside "a nice person" who was being buried that same day – often without giving them the opportunity to say goodbye.

Instead, the babies were interred in mass graves.

In a statement released by the Royton Independents, councillors Ms Hurley and Ms Hughes wrote they had been "profoundly affected" by the "heartbreaking revelation" of the mass grave being found.

They have put forward a motion to Oldham Council to "recognise the injustice" that has taken place.

'Never forgotten'

The statement read: "How many babies are laying in Royton Cemetery in mass graves, their identities unknown to their grieving relatives?

"It’s a stark injustice that parents were denied the fundamental right to bury their babies, a right that should be inherent and unquestionable.

"This situation should stir our collective sense of fairness and empathy.

"We cannot change what has happened, but we can ensure that the babies born sleeping are named, recognised, and never forgotten."

A motion, due to be discussed at a council meeting on 11 September, has called for the council to erect a memorial to the buried children.

It also suggests records and documents about the burials should be made more accessible and digitalised.

The adults in the graves are presumed to be what are known as "pauper’s burials", for individuals whose families could not afford to pay for a grave.

The Royton grave's discovery follows another mass grave being found in Wirral earlier this year, where resident Gina Jacobs, 79, found her stillborn son after a 53-year search.

Over the past 20 years, mass graves containing the remains of stillborn babies have been discovered in Lancashire, Devon, Middlesbrough and Huddersfield.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

The mainstream media reports now doubting the safety of Lucy Letby's conviction continue to gain pace. Another revelation that has now surfaced is that the note Letby wrote, which was presented by the prosecution as a confession, was done so for therapeutic purposes and on the advice of the hospital’s head of occupational health and wellbeing.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/great-deal-to-be-concerned-about-judge-rinder-speaks-out-on-lucy-letby-case/ar-AA1q48cW

 

TV barrister Robert Rinder has now waded in to the debate and has posted on X:

 

Black Belt Barrister Daniel ShenSmith has covered this too. Shortly after the conviction, ShenSmith was urging his viewers not to jump to conclusions or second guess the jury given that they had listened to 10 months of evidence and "expert" opinion making them the best placed to make the decision as to Letby's guilt. However, now ShenSmith is falling in lockstep with the mainstream change in narrative whilst his comments section is full of people saying that they feel there were shady goings on and that Letby was scapegoated. Some are calling out the justice system as unfit for purpose and in need of reform which I reiterate might be an underlying agenda to this case.

 

Perhaps I am mistaken but overturning these sorts of miscarriages of justice seems to typically take years and sometimes decades. This about face seems to be happening very swiftly.

 

 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

On 9/6/2024 at 5:31 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Black Belt Barrister Daniel ShenSmith has covered this too. Shortly after the conviction, ShenSmith was urging his viewers not to jump to conclusions or second guess the jury given that they had listened to 10 months of evidence and "expert" opinion making them the best placed to make the decision as to Letby's guilt. However, now ShenSmith is falling in lockstep with the mainstream change in narrative whilst his comments section is full of people saying that they feel there were shady goings on and that Letby was scapegoated. Some are calling out the justice system as unfit for purpose and in need of reform which I reiterate might be an underlying agenda to this case.

 

Perhaps I am mistaken but overturning these sorts of miscarriages of justice seems to typically take years and sometimes decades. This about face seems to be happening very swiftly.

Great post! There is for sure a coordinated change in narrative here. Let us not forget that there were some immediate doubts raised by some voices when LL was found guilty, it is not as if these doubts were never voiced, there was actually vehement pushback to these doubts at the time. 

 

I agree, this is happening very fast and in a very coordinated way, which means only one thing - the elite have some plan to use this for some benefit to them.  

[northern star]

Nobody is looking higher up. Just like they didnt with Jack the Ripper, Moor Murderers, Yorkshire Ripper, Lucy Letby...all played out for a public story

All these cases are connected to higher level Satanic Ritual Abuse, and all these we hear about are the lackies who take the flak when it all goes wrong, like Lucy and Myra, but the only other alternative for them is death. So they keep quiet.

 

This is the massive wake up call people

 

The people who are truly carrying these atrocities out are your MPs, royals, celebs etc

Edited September 6, 2024 by northern star

[Dagon44]

She is guilty as hell and a lot of money for barristers is being made out of this case and filling space for the dying tabloids, creating this false dichotomy of is she innocent or not. The real scandal is how it was allowed to go on for as long as it did and if other babies were killed when she wasn’t on shift. I suspect the evidence is condemning apparently the paediatricians had written to the hospital managers about their concerns about Letby and nothing was done about it. Munchausen’s by proxy. She will be loving all this attention in the media.

 

Edited September 9, 2024 by Dagon44

[BornFreeNowAgain]

3 minutes ago, Dagon44 said:

She is guilty as hell and a lot of money for barristers is being made out of this case and filling space for the dying tabloids, creating this false dichotomy of is she innocent or not. The real scandal is how it was allowed to go on for as long as it did and if other babies were killed when she wasn’t on shift. I suspect the evidence is condemning apparently the paediatricians had written to the hospital managers about their concerns about Letby and nothing was done about it. Munchausen’s by proxy. She will be loving all this attention in the media.

 

While she might be 'guilty as hell', you might be missing the point. The fact is that her defence were somewhere between useless and incompetent whether by intention or just bad luck on Letby's part. So even if she is guilty, as many have been saying right from the start (and good people with tons of experience and obviously some ethics to have spoken out so early), the facts of the case in which she was prosecuted were never challenged enough. Surely anyone has a right to competent legal defence even if they are guilty so there is much less chance of a wrong conviction. 

 

We should all be worried when a case is so obviously skewed and a defence so obviously lacking, one day it could be us, especially in the world we are currently living. 'At first they came for the trade unionists'......we all know the rest.  

[Katsika]

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/10/01/lucy-letby-was-not-working-on-day-baby-she-was-convicted-of-killing-was-harmed-bbc-investigation-finds/

[Stone]

You need to do some reading if you think this slag is innocent. You should start off with how she kept a napkin detailing a collapsing baby’s blood readings in a box in her bedroom that Letby herself had written ‘keep’ on. 
 

Said napkin should never, ever, have even been in Letby’s possession, as it was used, written, and disposed of by another practitioner. It certainly should never have found its way into Lucy’s bedroom in a box with hundreds of other ‘momentous’ about unexplained collapsing babies. 
 

I consider her convictions to be iron clad tbh, and I expect her to die in jail. It’s only because she has ‘Maddie Marketability’ (blonde hair and blue eyes) that you are going to continue seeing her grim minging grid all over the place for evermore.

[Observations]

[Stone]

4 hours ago, Observations said:

Maddie Marketing! 

[Diversion99]

On 10/11/2024 at 12:46 PM, Stone said:

Maddie Marketing! 

Interesting that a different pic used 

[Anti Facts Sir]

26 minutes ago, Diversion99 said:

Interesting that a different pic used 

Not by chance. Time for smiley Lucy photos, after years of the same serial-killer washed-out mugshot.

[Diversion99]

32 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Not by chance. Time for smiley Lucy photos, after years of the same serial-killer washed-out mugshot.

Agreed

[BornFreeNowAgain]

21 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Not by chance. Time for smiley Lucy photos, after years of the same serial-killer washed-out mugshot.

There has definitely been a 'shift' in how she is portrayed and her potential innocence in the last couple of months, and can all that be put down to David Davis looking into it, I am not convinced. The only time the mainstream media would shift so quickly is if they are aware that this conviction has a real chance of being overturned, not to mention they only change stance when they have been given orders from higher up as we see with their COVID stance. 

 

So with all this, it is adding up to another P-R-S incoming.