What if depopulation is good?

[johnkim]

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

 

[Beaujangles]

1 hour ago, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

 

 

I think the clue lies somewhere in... " If the elites were such good beings, why would they be stripping everyone that is already here of their money and their happiness"? Unless of course their 'kindness' extends to driving those already here to suicide? I personally don't think the word 'help' is a word that belongs in anything that the 'elites' are doing whatever they claim to know. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Beaujangles

[johnkim]

15 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I think the clue lies somewhere in... " If the elites were such good beings, why would they be stripping everyone that is already here of their money and their happiness"? Unless of course their 'kindness' extends to driving those already here to suicide? I personally don't think the word 'help' is a word that belongs in anything that the 'elites' are doing whatever they claim to know. 

 

here is what I don’t understand…

 

If the premise of soul trap is correct, what is the purpose of living and continuing to live on this reality?

 

Isn't it more harmful to continue to breed and bring souls to this reality to be trapped and tortured?

 

Happiness exists in this world but does life have more happiness or sadness?

 

 

 

 

[TetraG]

2 hours ago, johnkim said:

Happiness exists in this world but does life have more happiness or sadness?

 

Sadness is most prevailing I would say.

 

Most people that are 'happy' only have artificial happiness, it is derived from 'infidelitous' ways like through materiality (often coupled with predatory or parasitic or other obnoxious behaviours, knowingly for some too which is one of the greatest sadnesses of all). But b/c the rich seem to have it all (and create a false vaccuum of superiority around themselves) by that method of being happy, any genuine just-minded people of the planet suffer that insult, but it doesn't mean we have to wear it all day long and tolerate it all our lives, unless of course the totalitarian global regime wins all out, armed with deep state technology and the rest.

Edited October 7, 2022 by TetraG

[Beaujangles]

9 hours ago, johnkim said:

 

here is what I don’t understand…

 

If the premise of soul trap is correct, what is the purpose of living and continuing to live on this reality?

 

Isn't it more harmful to continue to breed and bring souls to this reality to be trapped and tortured?

 

Happiness exists in this world but does life have more happiness or sadness?

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe the title of your thread should be Trapped Souls/Soul Trap?

 

In my opinion most people experience a lot of sadness, unfairness or physical/emotional/psychological pain to greater or lesser degrees.

 

Some can still find a place of acceptance or can work their way through it - many become stronger because of it. That doesn't mean that they dont sit alone sometimes and cry before dusting themselves off to start again and try to bring a balance.

 

No one persona has all the answers... but maybe it's the working together of those who see the possibilities, that can create the peace within.

 

I dont buy in to a 'soul trap' theory - although I still have questions about 'the meaning of life'...and potential lessons and lessons learned.

 

Helping other souls is tantamount, in my opinion, to finding who we are and why we are. (Which is why the 'elite' are alien to anything good. IMO)

[Tinfoil Hat]

It's simple pleasures that are the most rewarding imo. The actions of the cabal are removing our ability to partake in these things in so many ways, so there's nothing benevolent in their desire to depopulate. It's only the folk they think of as useless eaters they want gone. If they think they can use you to service them in some way (slave, guinea pig etc) they'd allow you to live. How very generous of them. 

 

We won't find out if there's really a soul trap in place until later, and until then, it's all speculation so we have to make the best of what we've got. 

 

Things are very grim right now, but I still feel intrinsically that life is precious. Even on here, we still share laughter quite often, and that's priceless. I'm sure that laughter wounds our enemies - which shows how feeble they are, for all their money & seats of power. They can't feel proper love and humour and empathy - they're already dead inside. Maybe someone putting them out of their misery would be the kindest thing.  

[novymir]

14 hours ago, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

 

 

Not exactly. It's all one consciousness(virtually separated), it doesn't grow, it only shrinks. What "reproduction" is here is just a dividing and subdividing of that consciousness. And still everything is merely a perception. There is no real death, except for the body and the ego(illusion-self). But the ego is attempting immortality.

I don't assume that which I am unaware of, the talk about "soul" is meaningless to me without a definition, and I don't require or ask for it because I don't need it, all I need is what is Real and True.

 

What the deal is regarding reproduction is that the more there are the greater the chance of some of them waking up and exiting this thing, thereby shrinking it. The more there are is less easy to maintain control, and a higher probability of someone waking up and having a wider effect by waking up others.

 

Basically "the trap" would only work against them that buy into the lies of the ego, about themselves, the world, and GOD. The trap is ego-identification. The ego will come up with all sorts of rationalizations, justifications, and deceptions to validate itself and it's miscreation--this world. This consciousness co-miscreated with the ego, instead of co-Creating with GOD(TRUTH), it attempted an experiment to see how that would work out...but the "ego" has worked out a scheme of deception as a means of domination of our consciousness and life, and is like a parasitic artificial consciousness that suppresses and represses the awareness and realization of RealBeing, the Greater part of which is outside of the illusion(AWAKE-REALITY-TRUTH).

 

It's all a futile attempt by the ego, it is bound to fail, not if, but when. What the ego offers is only shit, sometimes diluted, sometimes undiluted, but its still shit, it's a counterfeiter, a plagarizer, and a 2-faced hypocrite playing "god".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by novymir

[Macnamara]

15 hours ago, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

the 'perfecti' of the cathars used to shun sex in order to ensure they did not bring anymore life into what they saw as a fallen material world

 

whenever anyone gets to talking about depopulation however or induced infertility we have to ask 'who gets to decide who lives and who dies and who gets to reproduce?'

 

Perhaps those that want these things can lead by example and jump off a cliff. As for me i am going to reproduce and try and share a love of creation with my progeny

[Campion]

On 10/7/2022 at 2:10 AM, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

I have come across that belief especially in Eastern and New Age circles, but I would like to dig a little deeper. Two questions come to mind: who gave us these beliefs, and who benefits from our depopulation? 

 

Unless you have personal experience of the afterlife, the chances are that you've picked up the ideas from someone else, and as we all know, everyone has some form of agenda and bias. And very few people declare their conflicts of interest when trying to sell you something, even selling you ideas. 

 

Think about it, if the people pushing these anti-life ideas practiced what they preached, they themselves would have died out centuries ago and wouldn't be around to persuade us to stop having children. 

 

If we die out and they survive, then they inherit what we had. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Campion

[Campion]

On 10/7/2022 at 5:52 PM, Macnamara said:

the 'perfecti' of the cathars used to shun sex in order to ensure they did not bring anymore life into what they saw as a fallen material world

  

So they were dependent on recruiting members from the outside society (ie Roman Catholics) so perhaps it's not surprising they were unpopular and had a backlash. 

  Also didn't the Templar Knights have to practice celibacy (in the form of not getting married at least) and donate their land and wealth to the order upon initiation? So they gave their undivided loyalty to the order.  And the RC church also had celibate priests & monastics, but in those days the country as a whole had a high birth rate and families could 'afford' to lose one member to a celibate order like the church or the Templars, preferably not the oldest son who would inherit the family's wealth, so it wasn't a cause of depopulation. 

Times are very different now, some racial groups like white Europeans are already depopulating without these spiritual-style beliefs (ps that's my conflict of interest here, I don't want native Europeans to die out). 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Campion

[BMarley]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

  

So they were dependent on recruiting members from the outside society (ie Roman Catholics) so perhaps it's not surprising they were unpopular and had a backlash. 

  Also didn't the Templar Knights have to practice celibacy (in the form of not getting married at least) and donate their land and wealth to the order upon initiation? So they gave their undivided loyalty to the order.  And the RC church also had celibate priests & monastics, but in those days the country as a whole had a high birth rate and families could 'afford' to lose one member to a celibate order like the church or the Templars, preferably not the oldest son who would inherit the family's wealth, so it wasn't a cause of depopulation. 

Times are very different now, some racial groups like white Europeans are already depopulating without these spiritual-style beliefs (ps that's my conflict of interest here, I don't want native Europeans to die out). 

Cathars preached depop to all their followers, those others practicing celibacy did it for other (nefarious) reasons.  

 

I care about humanity as a whole, not just some melanin deficient subgroup.

Edited October 9, 2022 by BMarley

[loady]

i think that depopulation  is a mask for end times mass sacrifices of humans. humans  dont escape the nets of the matrix just becuse they leave their physichal body behind, their spirits and minds  are still trapped under the many nets and trappings that awaits humans when they make the transition.

 

matthew deloozze said it best : we are born in ignorance, we transition to another dimension in ignorance and then we are tricked to come back here in ignorance.

[BMarley]

2 minutes ago, loady said:

i think that depopulation  is a mask for end times mass sacrifices of humans. humans  dont escape the nets of the matrix just becuse they leave their physichal body behind, their spirits and minds  are still trapped under the many nets and trappings that awaits humans when they make the transition.

 

matthew deloozze said it best : we are born in ignorance, we transition to another dimension in ignorance and then we are tricked to come back here in ignorance.

In that context depop (and singularity) will only serve to entrap and enslave us more. And I think that is correct. That is the plan of the elites.

[loady]

15 minutes ago, BMarley said:

In that context depop (and singularity) will only serve to entrap and enslave us more. And I think that is correct. That is the plan of the elites.

 

you are absolutely right, another thing that the great matthew delooze said was something to the effect that when those from the unseen updates their technology they also update ours  to ensure both  are compatible with eachother so they can be utilised as a mean to exercise greater control of the population.

 

in the animatrix (the animated matrix movie) it said that the machines were  built in elohims image , meaning they can be possessed by their creators. 

 

matthew delooze also said that technology can be possessed just like humans.

Edited October 9, 2022 by loady

[lake]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

I don't want native Europeans to die out

 

You @BMarley replied to the above with:

 

53 minutes ago, BMarley said:

I care about humanity as a whole, not just some melanin deficient subgroup.

 

I consider your reply to be racist.

 

So if I was to 'turn that around' and replied to this:

 

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I don't want native Africans to die out

 

With this:

 

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I care about humanity as a whole, not just some melanin excessive subgroup.

 

That would be considered as racist.

 

You @BMarley have been a member for less than 7 hours and that is 3 times your posts have been the subject of moderator attention.

 

Bye.

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, BMarley said:

 not just some melanin deficient subgroup.

 

i think that's a little harsh. Humanity has adapted to its various environments around the globe

 

innuit are fantastically adapted to their cold climate and high fat diet whilst san bushmen are well adapted to a hotter climate. Neither is wrong or right. They are just expressions of humanity and its incredible adaptability

 

White people are adapted to a northern climate whilst black people suffer health problems from being in the north. On the other hand black people have adapted to survive malaria in africa so its swings and roundabouts

Vitamin D and African Americans

Susan S Harris  ¹

Affiliations

• PMID: 16549493
• DOI: 10.1093/jn/136.4.1126

Abstract

Vitamin D insufficiency is more prevalent among African Americans (blacks) than other Americans and, in North America, most young, healthy blacks do not achieve optimal 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentrations at any time of year. This is primarily due to the fact that pigmentation reduces vitamin D production in the skin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16549493/

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

 

1 hour ago, Campion said:

  Also didn't the Templar Knights have to practice celibacy (in the form of not getting married at least) and donate their land and wealth to the order upon initiation? So they gave their undivided loyalty to the order.  And the RC church also had celibate priests & monastics, but in those days the country as a whole had a high birth rate and families could 'afford' to lose one member to a celibate order like the church or the Templars, preferably not the oldest son who would inherit the family's wealth, so it wasn't a cause of depopulation. 

 

As you say due to the custom of 'primogeniture' the estates of the landed class passed to the eldest son. Through that method and by marrying their sons to female members of the landed class they were able to hold their lands together and even grow their holdings over successive generations.

 

So the second son would have to seek their fortunes either by going into the church or as you say people (of the right bloodlines) could join the knights templar or other knightly orders. They would give whatever they possessed to the order and would own only their horse and their sword. The order was gifted huge holdings by various supporters so that it owned vast numbers of properties across europe which they were able to extract rents from.

 

Did they still have illegitimate children? Who knows? Certainly stories of the dissolution of monks were rife by the time of the reformation so that there wasn't much sympathy when the abbeys were broken up. Another thing to consider is the idea that the roman church may have been influenced by the 'vestal virgins' of the roman empire who weren't virgins all year round. They would on certain dates carry out acts of hieros gamos with the priests. Did roman catholic nuns ever perform such duties? Once again i don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around.

 

1 hour ago, Campion said:

Times are very different now, some racial groups like white Europeans are already depopulating without these spiritual-style beliefs (ps that's my conflict of interest here, I don't want native Europeans to die out). 

 

europeans have bought into the wrong things; they have been bombarded with corporate advertising that has them focussing mainly on acquiring status items instead of pursuing the fundamentals of life

[Campion]

2 hours ago, BMarley said:

Cathars preached depop to all their followers, those others practicing celibacy did it for other (nefarious) reasons.  

 

I've read that Cathars were dualists and, as Mac said, believed the material half of the duality represented evil. Would you care to elaborate on the nefarious reasons, that's piqued my interest!  

  

2 hours ago, BMarley said:

I care about humanity as a whole, not just some melanin deficient subgroup.

 

Others have pipped me to it, but our melanin levels are appropriate to our climate (and there's variations within Europe too) so I don't see what you're getting at. Nowadays with vitamin D added to food and supplements available, deficiency is avoidable anyway. Naturally I also care about all humans, also other animals and plants, but this subject is whether depopulation is a good thing. Native demographic decline in Europe is not a good thing imo, and I would argue is being promoted by numerous policies. I care about decline of other racial groups elsewhere too, if I know about it, but I'm talking about my own community and civilisation here so I make no apologies for prioritising it. 

[DaleP]

I think the thread title is a loaded question.

I have thought of this. fittest, wisest of all will be selected and survive? May be the lucky one will escape bombing and you know luck is something you make.

I don't think it's about skin colour because whether it's white, black, native Americans..... I'm sure there are a spectrum of bad to good.

May be it's not about being good or bad (by whose standard? Christians? Muslims? etc) but from the Creator's perspective, if you have what it takes to learn, to be wise perhaps so that we live according to the law of the Universe as in you wouldn't sow a seed during the winter months. If the elites are giving us hard time, perhaps that is a good thing because we don't grow without a hardship. It's all perspective, isn't it.

[Mr H]

On 10/6/2022 at 7:10 PM, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

 

What you are is not a soul. You may have a soul experiences along the way. 

 

there really is only one thing modulating itself into many apparent different things. Don't get caught up believing you are one of these apparent things. These apparent things are actually experiences and activities of the one thing, that come and go like the wind, you always remain...............

[78ast78dgyad]

On 10/7/2022 at 2:10 AM, johnkim said:

Hear me out…

 

for those who are familiar with the belief that we live in a soul trap and get recycled back to earth over and over.

 

In that case, why would we want to bring more human lives to this earth and subject them to this infinite trap?

 

Wouldn’t a decrease in fertility is actually good for souls because less souls will come and be trapped here?

 

what if elites know this and try to reduce fertility of human to help us escape this soul trap?

 

 

 

because some people love life and enjoy the experience and for many people it is a wonderful thing

 

 

 

 

[Certified Green of Heart]

5 hours ago, Mr H said:

What you are is not a soul. You may have a soul experiences along the way. 

 

there really is only one thing modulating itself into many apparent different things. Don't get caught up believing you are one of these apparent things. These apparent things are actually experiences and activities of the one thing, that come and go like the wind, you always remain...............

 

Good thesis there to find interest in (I'm sure with some valid points) but not so sure 100%, the whole answer is written in just that way of thinking as although I think I get your reasoning, it could seem on some level a bit simplistic on one hand, and yeah maybe I am a bit too complex by how I sometimes think stuff, but either how, I sort of agree I think. .... Except I do think however the soul, as adaptive as it is, does not become FULLY known to us, or for long enough, even as it is like an identity created in the maelstrom of time, and like an identity can of course evolve too.

Its not easy to come into it, unless we make time available in which to allow it (the soul) to show up; by something like hiking in the wilds a long time which can reveal our true characters, but I know what you mean I think, human beings are soooooooooooo changeable anyway which is also the point, and as well nowadays the world changes so fast which doesn't help keep consistency of to enable a well defined set of soul characteristics or identity to stabilize properly..... etc.

 

Still, where going back in search of a soul if believed at all and it should always have some resonance in us I feel, so if a soul were palpable and knowable to ourselves, well it's a hard feat, simply because society tries to distract away from this..... Anyway before I distract away from the main topic.....

 

Depop Pop Music, haha. Bring in other Alternative or Indie Music to the world, yeah kill off only the people that like POP. Lol.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Certified Green of Heart

[Mr H]

6 minutes ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

 Except I do think however the soul, as adaptive as it is, does not become known to us for long enough like an identity created in the maelstrom of time, (unless we make time available in which to allow it to show up; by hiking in the wilds a long time which can reveal our true characters, but I know what you mean I think, human beings are soooooooooooo changeable anyway which is also the point, and nowadays the world changes so fast).....Still, where going back in search of a soul if believed at all and it should always have some resonance in us I feel, so if a soul were palpable and knowable to ourselves, well it's a hard feat, simply because society tries to distract away from this..... Anyway before I distract away from the main topic.....

 

Depop Pop Music, haha.

I would be interested to hear what your definition of a soul is? And the need to search for it? 

[Ethel]

You raise a valid point. I'm infertile and whilst I went through a period of grief for quite a few years after finding out, I'm now more at peace with it than ever. The amount of "negative karma" you have when you leave this world is vastly reduced if you don't procreate. When I think about some of the things people do to their children I cringe when I think of the guilt and shame those souls will feel when they leave here and see what they've done. 

 

To be honest, I would be in favor of bringing procreation levels down for this reason alone. Most people who choose to procreate are not conscious enough to raise their children in a way which avoids harm and trauma.

 

However, I don't necessarily believe our world is overpopulated. We have no idea how many people are in this world.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Ethel

[Certified Green of Heart]

18 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I would be interested to hear what your definition of a soul is? And the need to search for it? 

 

Oh I dunno, it gets to be beyond words, all I can say just now is its like an never-ending work, but I think Buddhism (in some form) can help somewhat, all except its a bit hard to appreciate bowing to a statue but its all in context of the minds of the people and culture who get meaning and feeling of purpose from doing anything either religious, or staying well clear of that and just being happy with little personal rituals which as implicit meanings may ground a person in self wisdom, (perhaps as I tend to like to be, keeping those known largely only to myself until at least meeting like-minds to connect with and grow in the company of other souls which for a long time I have NOT had the privilege of)
Anyway~ small things of distinction but which can flow and have potential to spread as soul food if you like... However maybe all according to how smart other peoples perceptions are, except to be fair to note where intelligence is not always the first consideration.... In whatever sense or philosophical creation or elevating above the material world, all ways in which this can stretch out into the wider world is a good thing, if say a moral legacy is born by small actions, because as more people come to understand whats important in life, then it is given dignity, and by whatever way one can feels just, one can feel proud of that, doing good or whatever, but at the heart where possible realizing the importance of remaining modest to prevent ego clouding whatever comes next etc. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Certified Green of Heart