Caer Troia/ New Troy/Ancient Britain

[Ethel]

In his seminal book "Children Of The Matrix" David Icke mentions the place name "Caer Troia" (New Troy) and explains that there is great difficulty in accessing any history of London before Roman times.

 

I can confirm this is correct. I have an interest in ancient history in general, both the known, mainstream stuff and the more obscure information, but can confirm it is really fucking difficult to get information on London prior to Roman history because most people have the belief that it didn't exist before the ancient Romans created settlements there and named it 'Londinium'.

 

This isn't true, of course, since there is apparently substantial evidence to suggest that there were settlers in that area long before the Romans settled there. This would make sense, given that the Thames far predates Ancient Rome, and anywhere there's a body of water, there tends to be settlers.

 

I decided, not expecting much, to do a google search on New Troy, and given the relative obscurity of the search term, actually found some moderately interesting results. I shall post some of those results here as I digest them. Anyone else interested in this subject who wishes to share information in this thread please feel free to do so.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Ethel

[Ethel]

One of the first interesting results I come to in my research on Caer Troia/New Troy is a website called Sovereign Wales, and the article outlines a conspiracy to delete ancient British history, which I guess isn't news to many of you on this forum. The particular emphasis here is on Welsh history, which was interesting for me personally given that I am half Welsh. The link is https://sovereignwales.com/tag/caer-troia/. There are a variety of articles of the website on topics ranging from "replacement migration" to Cultural Marxism and microchipping. The standard of writing is reasonable. 

 

I am aware of many different theories regarding the history of the ethnicity of the Welsh. For example, I am aware that the Romany gypsies have a shared history with Wales, and in fact there is an (almost) dead language which is a Welsh-Romany hybrid. 

 

I am also aware, through reading "The Origins Of The British" by Stephen Oppenheimer, that there has long been a suggestion that the high preponderance of slightly darker complexion and dark hair in Wales goes back to Portugal, when immigrants from Portugal settled in Wales in pre-Roman history.

 

However, the article I reference above on "Sovereign Wales", a website which ultimately wants to see Wales declared an independent nation, takes an entirely different angle and asks: "Are the Welsh The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel?"

 

The article outlines mass migrations from 1500 - 500 BC, mainly an influx from Mesopotamia, but also (it is claimed) encompassing the 10 lost tribes of Israel and others from Western Turkey. The "Tysilio Chronicles" state that Brutus of Troy and his army landed in Britain in around 1170BC and became the first British king.

 

The article states: "The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel (which later included 2 other assimilated tribes from Judea) were known to the Assyrian emperors as "The Khumry" - a name too close to our modern day Cymru (pronounced the same) to be a fleeting coincidence."

 

These lost 10 tribes were said to have been exiled from Israel after it's conquest by the Neo-Assyrian empire in roughly 722BC.

 

It is suggested that these tribes inhabited many areas and are popularly known as The Celts and that "the language connecting all of these tribes is the indigenous British language of Cymraeg/Welsh". This was the original language of the UK, in other words.

 

It is also suggested that this was widely spoken and that a variation of it was inscribed on the Eshmunazar II sarcophagus (The Phoenician King Of Sidon). This ancient alphabet is also found on runes scattered across many ancient migration trails all over the world.

 

Furthermore, the article also claims that the Greek alphabet originates from Khumric Welsh, along with two of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It then states : "All of the pre 330BC hieroglyphic inscriptions in Egypt can be read using Khumric Welsh dating back to 2150BC."

 

The article states that there is a conspiracy to cover up much of history; again, this is no great revelation to anyone on this forum. But this apparent rabbit hole goes even deeper, revealing that there are Welsh runes, (Coelbren stones) which have been found in North America, giving strength to the hypothesis that ancient Welsh were in America long before Columbus - something denied by wokists, who see this as an attempt to promote English imperialism - despite the fact that Wales and England are two separate countries. 

 

The article also mentions the Druid-Welsh connection and even claims that the Druids had a significant influence on the building of the Egyptian pyramids, and possibly even the South American civilizations.

 

To conclude, I am not immediately believing everything I have read in this article, but definitely find the Khumry/Cymru connection absolutely compelling. Whether some of Wales' modern day citizens are descendants of the lost 10 tribes of Israel is not something I am highly invested in one way or the other, but I am definitely of the belief that mainstream Historians actively work to suppress knowledge of as much of ancient history as they possibly can, so who can possibly guess how much of this article is true?

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Ethel

[Ethel]

Now I will provide some of the background that David Icke gives readers in his 2001 book, "Children Of The Matrix". David Icke also acknowledges the strong Welsh/Druid influence in ancient history, saying:

 

"The carriers of the Atlantean/Lemurian knowledge in Britain and other parts of Europe were called Naddred or Adders, a Welsh name for serpent", a theory David sourced from the book "The Return Of The Ancient Serpents Of Wisdom" by Mark A Pinkham.

 

Icke then acknowledges the Druid/Welsh connection, saying:

 

"They are better known as the Druids, a Gaelic word in Ireland meaning a wise man, a sorcerer, or serpent, and they were called the "Snake Priests". An Irish manuscript claims that the adepts of the Druidic arts descended from the Tuatha de Danaan - "The People of the Serpent Goddess Dana". Apparently the Tuatha de Danaan were also called the Sumaire. These were the former Atlantean peoples who settled in Asia Minor (Turkey) and then expanded out into Europe. It was they who called Britain "Albion" after Albina, the eldest daughter of Danaus, an ancient Danaan priest. Danaan is also close to Canaan, and these "two" peoples came from the same part of the world. I think Canaan and Danaan are two terms for the same people. It was one of their number, called Brutus, who led migrating Danaans/Trojans to the British Isles and established the city of Caer Troia or "New Troy" - today's London."

 

Icke then theorizes that the Danaans were giants. Many years ago I watched an outstanding documentary on youtube about giant skeletons. It's content was compelling and backed up by literally dozens of photographs. Apparently all traces of this documentary, and seemingly the photos of giant skeletons, have been removed from both Google and youtube. But there's no conspiracy to delete history, of course. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Ethel

[Ethel]

Next up is an article from the website "Historic UK". This actually seems like quite a mainstream website in terms of it's presentation, but it features an interesting article called "Britain's Trojan History", by a guy called Bernard Jones.

 

The article begins by acknowledging the same problem I highlighted earlier in this thread, namely the attempt of the establishment to gaslight people into believing that British history begins with the Romans and that prior to them, there is no history save a few scattered fossils about which mainstream historians provide vague theories. 

 

Jones says: "It is as if there is a big black hole in the historical record before this time and then, suddenly, we have people on the Island", before going on to say:

 

"There is, however, a genuine history of Britain prior to these times. It is a neglected history and one that was expurgated from the school curriculum throughout the land in our so-called ‘modern age’. This history was written by the ancient Britons and it goes back to such early times that many historians cannot believe it to be true; some ridicule it because they cannot prove it to be false, and some ignore it completely. This history takes us back 1,500 years before the Saxons arrived in the island, and more than 1,000 years before the Roman occupation. Incredibly, it has its origins in the Trojan War."

 

Jones also goes into the Brutus of Troy "myth", describing Brutus' arrival in Britain and even going on to explain that this is how Britain got it's name, saying:

 

"The Greeks supplied Brutus with a large number of ships and the Trojans departed, landing eventually in Totnes, in Devon.

Later, Brutus founded ‘New Troy’ on the banks of the River Thames. ‘New Troy’ would become the great city known today as London. It was Brutus who gave his name to the island and caused it to be called Britain. He decreed that the people would henceforth be called Britons and the language British."

 

This guy, Bernard Jones, has written a book about the Trojan wars which apparently confirms the location of the Trojan wars. The book is called: "The Discovery Of Troy and It's Lost History", and is based on 30 years of research.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Ethel

[Grumpy Owl]

Thanks for this, I became interested in this subject after watching some RichPlanet videos featuring Wilson & Blackett, the "forensic historians".

 

Richard D Hall did put out a new show the other week, which I hope to sit down and watch this evening.

 

Wilson & Blackett's research also links in the 'myth' of King Arthur and Camelot.

 

I have also read similar to what you have posted elsewhere, as well as at the Stolen History forum, some good threads there.

 

I believe it was the case that the Phoenicians / 'lost tribes of Israel' / Kumry/Cimmeroi (possibly all the same people) were the first inhabitants of the British Isles, arriving in Cornwall and Wales before spreading out and settling across the country. Not sure about Scotland and the Scots though.

 

I think that for many English people, if they trace their families back far enough, they may find they're actually Welsh.

 

The funny thing is that many years ago, before I started down this 'conspiracy theory' path, while I had visited parts of Wales before in the past, I was on a journey with a colleague to go and retrieve some IT equipment of ours from a hosting company in South Wales, and when we arrived there, we stopped to have a walk around this little village, and I remarked to my colleague how I felt like I was 'home' whenever I was in Wales. And I had the same feeling a couple of years ago when I holidayed near Aberystwyth, this feeling of 'belonging', almost like an affinity.

 

I do sometimes get these urges to go and travel into Wales; the lockdowns put a stop to that, and the timing of these recent rail strikes hasn't helped either!

 

What I'm curious to learn about is where the name 'Wales' actually comes from, as it seems like more obfuscation and blurring/rewriting of history.

[Ethel]

3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I think that for many English people, if they trace their families back far enough, they may find they're actually Welsh.

 

This has been suggested in some of the reading material I have encountered on the subject. It has also been suggested that the primary language of the entirety of Britain at one time was an old version of what nowadays would be called the Welsh language. Welsh was the first of the Celtic languages. Just learning this blew my mind, since it's such a low-key country. 

 

3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The funny thing is that many years ago, before I started down this 'conspiracy theory' path, while I had visited parts of Wales before in the past, I was on a journey with a colleague to go and retrieve some IT equipment of ours from a hosting company in South Wales, and when we arrived there, we stopped to have a walk around this little village, and I remarked to my colleague how I felt like I was 'home' whenever I was in Wales. And I had the same feeling a couple of years ago when I holidayed near Aberystwyth, this feeling of 'belonging', almost like an affinity.

I do sometimes get these urges to go and travel into Wales; the lockdowns put a stop to that, and the timing of these recent rail strikes hasn't helped either!

 

I have travelled all over Wales and it's beauty continues to impress me. The area my family originate from has won awards for "outstanding area of natural beauty". It is somewhat like wandering around some obscure Italian village with a tiny population. Minus the weather, of course. I generally prefer North Wales, but the South has some lovely spots too.

 

3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

What I'm curious to learn about is where the name 'Wales' actually comes from, as it seems like more obfuscation and blurring/rewriting of history.

 

Me too. I will probably research this.

[alexa]

2 hours ago, Ethel said:

Britain at one time was an old version of what nowadays would be called the Welsh language

 

Having lived in wales for the best part of my life, I have managed to speak a little Welsh.

 

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 A scientist by the name of Glass published an article entitled 'Welsh Hebraisms' in the Cambrian Quarterly Magazine and Celtic Repertory dated July 1832. In his article Mr. Glass remarked upon the close resemblance and connection existing between the Welsh and Hebrew languages, and said that this was the best proof of the Eastern descent of the ancient British. The article then went on to provide clear proof by supplying a vocabulary of words in both tongues, so closely resembling each other in sound and meaning as to put the question beyond all doubt.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by alexa

[Ethel]

4 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

 A scientist by the name of Glass published an article entitled 'Welsh Hebraisms' in the Cambrian Quarterly Magazine and Celtic Repertory dated July 1832. In his article Mr. Glass remarked upon the close resemblance and connection existing between the Welsh and Hebrew languages, and said that this was the best proof of the Eastern descent of the ancient British. The article then went on to provide clear proof by supplying a vocabulary of words in both tongues, so closely resembling each other in sound and meaning as to put the question beyond all doubt.

 

100% correct, the has been remarked upon by many historians. Also, having heard both languages spoken, I can say that there is definitely a similarity.

[alexa]

3 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 

100% correct, the has been remarked upon by many historians. Also, having heard both languages spoken, I can say that there is definitely a similarity.

 

I too would have to agree with Glass, having lived in wales for the best part of my life, I have managed to speak a little Welsh.

 

[alexa]

If this is the case, do you think it was some of the lost tribes of Israel who came to Britain ?

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by alexa
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[Ethel]

Just now, alexa said:

If this is the case, do you think it was some of the lost tribes Israel who came to Britain ?

 

 

One can only speculate. I was reading "Children Of The Matrix" by David Icke just today and he, at least in 2001, was a believer in this theory, I believe he more or less said something along the lines of the British being "God's chosen people", but I'd have to double-check the exact words.

 

Myself, I don't necessarily 'believe' it as such, but it's an interesting theory and it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. So much has been hidden from us, we have been lied to about so much, and there is a clear agenda nowadays to derail people's research into ancient history through the strategic use of ridicule and name-calling so... who knows?

[Ethel]

2 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 

One can only speculate. I was reading "Children Of The Matrix" by David Icke just today and he, at least in 2001, was a believer in this theory, I believe he more or less said something along the lines of the British being "God's chosen people", but I'd have to double-check the exact words.

 

Myself, I don't necessarily 'believe' it as such, but it's an interesting theory and it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. So much has been hidden from us, we have been lied to about so much, and there is a clear agenda nowadays to derail people's research into ancient history through the strategic use of ridicule and name-calling so... who knows?

 

I must correct this - it was the British Israelite movement who believed that modern day Britons are the descendants of the lost 10 tribes of Israel, and "God's chosen people". It wasn't David Icke.

[webtrekker]

Sorry, just jumping into this thread not having read it all, but isn't it strange how we (most of the UK) will happily go on holiday to foreign lands such as France, Spain, Italy, Greece etc and pride ourselves on having picked up certain phrases in the native tongues of these countries, yet the majority of us hardly know one word of the native languages of the countries that form part of the UK itself, ie. Scotland, Wales and  N. Ireland?

 

I've lived all of my life in the North East of England, just over one hour from the Scottish border, and have visited Scotland countless times, yet I think about the only word I know the meaning of in Scottish Gaelic is 'Sláinte!' How sad is that!

 

 

 

[Ethel]

8 hours ago, webtrekker said:

Sorry, just jumping into this thread not having read it all, but isn't it strange how we (most of the UK) will happily go on holiday to foreign lands such as France, Spain, Italy, Greece etc and pride ourselves on having picked up certain phrases in the native tongues of these countries, yet the majority of us hardly know one word of the native languages of the countries that form part of the UK itself, ie. Scotland, Wales and  N. Ireland?

 

I've lived all of my life in the North East of England, just over one hour from the Scottish border, and have visited Scotland countless times, yet I think about the only word I know the meaning of in Scottish Gaelic is 'Sláinte!' How sad is that!

 

You're absolutely right. I was actually trying to learn Welsh for a while so that I could converse with various family members in Welsh but it was fiendishly difficult. They quite often have about five or six separate words/phrases for the same thing. It made German, (which I can speak a little of) seem easy by comparison.

 

That said, after my recent discoveries I might go back to it at some point.

[Camela]

When i was at junior school we were taught local history by our teacher. She told us that a nearby town, Wallasey, was originally 'wealas eig' which meant 'island of the welshmen' or 'strangers'. She also told us that the 'welsh' were the original inhabitants of England. She said they had been driven across from east to the west by invaders from Europe, and eventually settled in Wales, the Wirral and Wallasey. 

[Moonlight]

On 10/2/2022 at 1:54 AM, webtrekker said:

Sorry, just jumping into this thread not having read it all, but isn't it strange how we (most of the UK) will happily go on holiday to foreign lands such as France, Spain, Italy, Greece etc and pride ourselves on having picked up certain phrases in the native tongues of these countries, yet the majority of us hardly know one word of the native languages of the countries that form part of the UK itself, ie. Scotland, Wales and  N. Ireland?

 

I've lived all of my life in the North East of England, just over one hour from the Scottish border, and have visited Scotland countless times, yet I think about the only word I know the meaning of in Scottish Gaelic is 'Sláinte!' How sad is that!

 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

On 10/1/2022 at 5:19 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Richard D Hall did put out a new show the other week, which I hope to sit down and watch this evening.

 

Wilson & Blackett's research also links in the 'myth' of King Arthur and Camelot.

 

I have also read similar to what you have posted elsewhere, as well as at the Stolen History forum, some good threads there.

 

Having watched that show, its a definite worthwhile watch:

 

 

 

More of Richard's videos on this subject can be found here:

https://www.richplanet.net/richp_guest_menu.php?person=13

 

 

[Ethel]

On 10/3/2022 at 11:05 PM, Camela said:

When i was at junior school we were taught local history by our teacher. She told us that a nearby town, Wallasey, was originally 'wealas eig' which meant 'island of the welshmen' or 'strangers'. She also told us that the 'welsh' were the original inhabitants of England. She said they had been driven across from east to the west by invaders from Europe, and eventually settled in Wales, the Wirral and Wallasey. 

 

If your teacher taught you all that, she might be a David Icke fan. I am currently reading "Children Of The Matrix" and I'm sure I read the same info in that

Edited October 8, 2022 by Ethel

[Camela]

On 10/8/2022 at 10:32 PM, Ethel said:

 

If your teacher taught you all that, she might be a David Icke fan. I am currently reading "Children Of The Matrix" and I'm sure I read the same info in that

Hi Ethel, it was in the mid 1960's so a bit before David Icke's time lol! Lots of really old places on the Wirral like Bidston Hill, Woodchurch and Thurstaston. There's also stories of tunnels which were supposed to run from Birkenhead Priory to Oxton.

[Ethel]

Some more of the background on New Troy/Britannia/Albion taken from "Children Of The Matrix" from David Icke:

 

Page 174: "The British Israelite movement claims that the "lost tribes of Israel" especially the tribe of Dan, moved out of the middle East and settled in the British Isles and Europe. This, they claim, led to the names Danube and Danmark and therefore makes the British, and their genetic kin, God's "Chosen People". 

 

Page 198: "England, one of the headquarters of the Illuminati, is known as the "Mother Country" and it's parliament the "Mother Of Parliaments". It's all Goddess symbolism, as was Britannia, an earlier name from Britain derived from the Phoenician goddess, Barati or "Barat-Anna".

 

Page 203: "It was under the name Elaine or Ellen that Helen of Troy became the symbolic queen of Britain in Pagan times. It was a relative of Helen, a Trojan called Brutus, who sailed West to Britain after the fall of Troy and founded a city called Caer Troia or New Troy - today's London."

 

 

[Macnamara]

On 10/4/2022 at 12:05 AM, Camela said:

 She also told us that the 'welsh' were the original inhabitants of England. She said they had been driven across from east to the west by invaders from Europe, and eventually settled in Wales, the Wirral and Wallasey. 

 

its an old idea that the britons were driven into the celtic fringe but genetics is showing that actually there was no mass genocide by anglo-saxons. What's more likely is an inter-breeding. So many people who today identify as 'anglo-saxon' are likely to have genetics that go back much further

 

A more recent example of this process would be the viking takeover of the northern islands of orkney and shetland where they then cosied upto gaelic women.

 

Iceland was settled not just by vikings but by vikings and their gaelic wives. If any genociding went on it would have been more likely directed at menfolk, many of which would likely die trying to repel invaders

[Macnamara]

On 10/10/2022 at 12:12 AM, Camela said:

There's also stories of tunnels which were supposed to run from Birkenhead Priory to Oxton.

 

possibly following leylines

[Macnamara]

I'm a little skeptical about british israelism

 

Personally to under stand that push to connect british people to the tribes of israel i would not go so far back in history. I would personally look to around about 1000 years ago when the normans invaded and brought jewish administrators in to audit britain and set up the 'exchequer' tax system

 

So that started in 1066. Then in 1095 we have the crusades being launched. In the 1100's we have freemasonry lodge 0 created in scotland in kilwinning. We also have the creation of the knights templar which gain rapid power and prosperity

 

If we understand the templars to be crypto-jews (dark occult not regular jews) working with ceremonial magic and we understand that they took over the throne of britain before bringing freemasonry out into the open in the early 1700's then we can understand why particularly by the victorian age we have this drive to connect the british people with the tribes of israel

 

What is more likely is that the british people are NOT connected to israel and that the people connected to israel are the freemasonic elites of britain who have invaded and then colonised the upper echelons of the country and parasited it ever since. They have created a nice little story to give themselves not only a place within british society but also within wider history in a format that would not be rejected by non freemasonic, british christians.

 

If this were not the case and the british elites saw themselves as part of the same people as the wider british public and that both they and the british public were simply a lost tribe of israel then you explain to me why they have just injected a bioweapon into the british public

 

[Campion]

4 hours ago, Macnamara said:

its an old idea that the britons were driven into the celtic fringe but genetics is showing that actually there was no mass genocide by anglo-saxons. What's more likely is an inter-breeding. So many people who today identify as 'anglo-saxon' are likely to have genetics that go back much further

A more recent example of this process would be the viking takeover of the northern islands of orkney and shetland where they then cosied upto gaelic women.

Iceland was settled not just by vikings but by vikings and their gaelic wives. If any genociding went on it would have been more likely directed at menfolk, many of which would likely die trying to repel invaders

 

The thing is, this feeds into the type of argument used by liberal globalists to justify mass immigration. The narrative is that we are already a mongrel multicultural race of many different groups migrating from all directions, so we should be welcoming the foreigners into our lands, businesses and homes, instead of trying to restricting immigration. 

  

However just because there may not have been a mass genocide, it doesn't mean that the incomers (going back even to the stone age with groups like the Beaker people) just became friends and were welcomed in. The likelihood is that there was warfare and the previous inhabitants driven off the best land, enslaved, forced into marriage (if women). We have been replaced a number of times before now: the people who built Stonehenge genetically disappeared from the genome soon after it was completed. 

[Ethel]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

If this were not the case and the british elites saw themselves as part of the same people as the wider british public and that both they and the british public were simply a lost tribe of israel then you explain to me why they have just injected a bioweapon into the british public

 

 

Dude, it's not my theory. I created this thread for people to post either theories or information about ancient Britain. I have no attachment to the idea we're Jews. There probably is some of that in our ancestry. There's probably some black and Asian too. Maybe there's some Reptilian also, it might explain why I can go so long without blinking. Either way, ain't my theory. It was some Welsh dude. You can look upon a forum as a marketplace of ideas.

 

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

you explain to me why they have just injected a bioweapon into the british public

 

 

We've had that conversation before and it didn't go well. I'll reiterate if you like. I haven't had the Convid vaccine, I never will. I am opposed to vaccines on the grounds that they are an insult to the human body and it's capacity to heal itself. However, I don't consider myself an anti-vaxxer and will not actively dissuade people from taking it. My stance to the people in my life stupid enough to consider taking it, including family, was "it might harm you, it might not."

 

Why? Because I cannot rule out the possibility that if I help someone create a negative belief about it then I might contribute towards potential consequences of those negative beliefs, i.e. illness. Please don't go off on one, because I don't want to debate this again.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Ethel