CarpeDiem Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Are they bollox! If this is not a plant I do not know what is! Amongst other things, she talks of not agreeing with the EU but working with them. She is talking the bollox of high energy because of war in Ukraine. This woman in my opinion is being put in place to quell the unease in Italy for yet another year or so. What a load of bollox politics really is. https://news.sky.com/story/dangerous-far-right-demagogue-or-free-thinking-radical-giorgia-meloni-on-verge-of-becoming-italys-first-female-prime-minister-12703356 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 8:12 PM, CarpeDiem said: Are they bollox! If this is not a plant I do not know what is! Amongst other things, she talks of not agreeing with the EU but working with them. She is talking the bollox of high energy because of war in Ukraine. This woman in my opinion is being put in place to quell the unease in Italy for yet another year or so. What a load of bollox politics really is. https://news.sky.com/story/dangerous-far-right-demagogue-or-free-thinking-radical-giorgia-meloni-on-verge-of-becoming-italys-first-female-prime-minister-12703356 Agree 100%. All more empty show. Just you watch all the sheep in the so called 'truther' community' hail their new saviour (already noted on Twitter etc). So damn depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Unfortunately no one can be judged until they have shown their true colours. You can only judge politicians retrospectively and by then the damage has been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 There is no solution to our predicament in politics of any kind. If anger and pitch forks don't come out soon it's game over in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, Doc said: There is no solution to our predicament in politics of any kind. If anger and pitch forks don't come out soon it's game over in my opinion. I think you're right. The system can't be changed from within. The system is the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I think they control the Left AND the Right in many places. They just make new faces appear on both sides so... ...you don't notice that you are living under an ancient regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Truthblast said: I think they control the Left AND the Right in many places. They just make new faces appear on both sides so... ...you don't notice that you are living under an ancient regime. has anyone else noticed the left and right switched sides over a few decades? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, TyrantCrusher said: has anyone else noticed the left and right switched sides over a few decades? Yes. And the sensible positions one can take on various issues are scattered 50% on the Left side and 50% on the Right side Neat way of DIVIDING SOCIETY 50-50 DOWN THE MIDDLE. This way you can never have - say - 80% of society pushing for the same reform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Truthblast said: Yes. And the sensible positions one can take on various issues are scattered 50% on the Left side and 50% on the Right side Neat way of DIVIDING SOCIETY 50-50 DOWN THE MIDDLE. This way you can never have - say - 80% of society pushing for the same reform. I fail to see any "sensible positions" on the left. Guess I'm still stuck in the left right paradigm lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, TyrantCrusher said: I think you're right. The system can't be changed from within. The system is the problem. If by system you mean the pool from which these 'politicians' are elected, then yes, the system is the problem. They are bought and paid for, groomed, if you like, before we even know their names. The current capitalist system is far from ideal but could be adapted and made more ethically and morally sound if incorruptible men of integrity with high moral values were to take power. The rot is so, so deep in all quarters now that this seems impossible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metak88 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 How They Do It: Italy’s Rising Star of the Right Already on the Globalist Rolodex February 8, 2021 https://www.europereloaded.com/how-they-do-it-italys-rising-star-of-the-right-already-on-the-globalist-rolodex/ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, TyrantCrusher said: I fail to see any "sensible positions" on the left. Guess I'm still stuck in the left right paradigm lol The Left around the world normally stands for things like: - Worker's rights, right to unionize - Regulation of large companies/employers - More equitable distribution of wealth in society, decent minimum wage - Fair access to education for all - Free or affordable healthcare for all - Protecting the environment - Protection of minority groups I have NO idea how ABORTION, LGBTQ, WOKE ended up being a THING. Almost feels like this shit was INJECTED into the Left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Doc said: If by system you mean the pool from which these 'politicians' are elected, then yes, the system is the problem. They are bought and paid for, groomed, if you like, before we even know their names. The current capitalist system is far from ideal but could be adapted and made more ethically and morally sound if incorruptible men of integrity with high moral values were to take power. The rot is so, so deep in all quarters now that this seems impossible. Robert Duncan writes in The Matrix Deciphered that advanced Neuroweapons could easily be used to twist the arms of judges, lawmakers, politicians and elected representatives. He says that we wouldn't even know about it. We'd just see public figures bowing their heads and toeing the line for no discernible reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Truthblast said: The Left around the world normally stands for things like: - Worker's rights, right to unionize - Regulation of large companies/employers - More equitable distribution of wealth in society, decent minimum wage - Fair access to education for all - Free or affordable healthcare for all - Protecting the environment - Protection of minority groups I have NO idea how ABORTION, LGBTQ, WOKE ended up being a THING. Almost feels like this shit was INJECTED into the Left. Political propaganda points are supposed to sound good. It's easy to see through those points you posted and see they will work completely reversed in reality. All that I read in those points is "MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Doc said: If by system you mean the pool from which these 'politicians' are elected, then yes, the system is the problem. They are bought and paid for, groomed, if you like, before we even know their names. The current capitalist system is far from ideal but could be adapted and made more ethically and morally sound if incorruptible men of integrity with high moral values were to take power. The rot is so, so deep in all quarters now that this seems impossible. No, what I mean is that even if a politician means good he won't be able to do anything. The system is rigged. I assume you're in the UK. Ask yourself this question, to whom do all MP's swear allegiance? I think there's your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, TyrantCrusher said: Political propaganda points are supposed to sound good. It's easy to see through those points you posted and see they will work completely reversed in reality. All that I read in those points is "MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL". Well, its either Government in control or the Private Sector. Government can be somewhat kept honest with enough public pressure, good journalism and people paying attention to what is happening. The Private Sector is, at this point, so powerful and rich that it can simply ignore public pressure. Government can be reformed with some effort. The Private Sector, imho, cannot be reformed or reform itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Truthblast said: Robert Duncan writes in The Matrix Deciphered that advanced Neuroweapons could easily be used to twist the arms of judges, lawmakers, politicians and elected representatives. He says that we wouldn't even know about it. We'd just see public figures bowing their heads and toeing the line for no discernible reason. This is what I meant about 'the rot'. What kind of scientific/research organisation makes Neuroweapons a priority? A rotten one. What kind of government allows that kind of research? A rotten one. What kind of educational institution strives to produce scientists who want to create Neuroweapons? A rotten one. The rot is everywhere. It's ancient, it's evil and it's literally everywhere. Think of any modern corporation, business, government, scientific, educational or religious institution...if you look you will see the rot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Truthblast said: Well, its either Government in control or the Private Sector. Government can be somewhat kept honest with enough public pressure, good journalism and people paying attention to what is happening. The Private Sector is, at this point, so powerful and rich that it can simply ignore public pressure. Government can be reformed with some effort. The Private Sector, imho, cannot be reformed or reform itself. In the private sector you can vote with your wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, TyrantCrusher said: No, what I mean is that even if a politician means good he won't be able to do anything. The system is rigged. I assume you're in the UK. Ask yourself this question, to whom do all MP's swear allegiance? I think there's your answer. Read my posts about the rot. I'm not naive about politics. This is why honest politicians quit or die in mysterious circumstances. The rot will not allow good men to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Read my posts about the rot. I'm not naive about politics. This is why honest politicians quit or die in mysterious circumstances. The rot will not allow good men to succeed. What's the answer to the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, TyrantCrusher said: What's the answer to the question? The crown. Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: The crown. Of course. What does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, TyrantCrusher said: What does that tell you? It doesn't tell me anything. It might infer something, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantCrusher Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: It doesn't tell me anything. It might infer something, however. The supposedly elected leaders of your country swearing allegiance to the crown doesn't tell you anything? I think it tells you who's really in charge. It tell you your "democracy" is just theater. It also tells you "why honest politicians quit or die in mysterious circumstances" and why "good men are not allowed to succeed". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TyrantCrusher said: The supposedly elected leaders of your country swearing allegiance to the crown doesn't tell you anything? I think it tells you who's really in charge. It tell you your "democracy" is just theater. It also tells you "why honest politicians quit or die in mysterious circumstances" and why "good men are not allowed to succeed". Ok, so basically we agree. Although I don't necessarily see the crown as a separate entity from the elite or PTB or whatever you want to call them. The crown is the ceremonial head of state. For them and us. I don't know about the power structure or heirarchy of the elite class. That would be an interesting thread... Edited September 26, 2022 by Doc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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