The Trap

[QueenRia]

11 hours ago, PH196 said:

What you say on us being one I think is true, but at the same time, fails to explain how this 'ONE' consciousness has aspects of it that are actually the opposite of all that God is - the absence of Love

 

This is something Thomas Troward explains in his Dore Lectures. It's the most conclusive explanation I've come across. But I don't think I can accurately lay out his reasoning in just a few quotes (also, that would be off topic ). The Dore Lectures is only a small book and can be found for free on the internet though.

[PH196]

1 hour ago, QueenRia said:

 

And what do you think lust is, and where did it come from?

In my understanding it's nothing but the Creative Impulse of the One on the lowest frequency, it's Love perverted, Love's inversion. Yes, that's the mind of the archons - they are disconnected from God. 

 

Actually it wasn't a "new age interpretation" but the logical conclusion following from God being infinite and thereby the only possible First Cause of anything. "Evil" is not a second creative power but only the PERCEIVED absence of Good/God (and thereby an illusion, because God IS ("I AM")). Just like darkness is not a force in itself but only a result of the light being absent. If you want to darken a room, you do not flood it with darkness, but you remove the source of light. The knowledge of good and evil is the perception of two forces: good and evil. But really there's only one force, and the perceived absence of it creates the illusion of evil. The results that follow are the inversion of everything that God is - and the lust you describe is part of that.  Once we become aware that we are the Infinite, "All that Is, has been, and ever will be", as David puts it, we also know that "evil" has ZERO power over us. In Truth they are only aspects of our own consciousness, they are not a force outside of ourselves. "We are the infinite" is the same as saying "God is ONE" and "I AM". (Because if God is all there is, and there is no other, then who am I?)

I agree to an extent.

 

But if you believe that the ‘Christian’ interpretation of evil has any merit, then what we are dealing with is not actually an illusory aspect of our own consciousness, but a very real threat to the well being of the human race.

 

Christianity teaches that there is a Devil, (singular, meaning not a metaphor for some abstract force), and this Devil or Satan is the adversary of God.

 

To get a glimpse of the character of this being look no further than John 8:44, Christ describes him as “A murderer from the beginning” and “ a liar and the father of lies”, and that “there is no truth in him”. 
 

Christ was not addressing an abstract evil force. He never says that there is really only one force and that good and evil is an illusion.

 

What he is describing is that there are malevolent Individualized spiritual beings, whom God created origininally good, who ‘fell’ when they rebelled against God. When this occurred is not explicitly stated other than this rebellion likely occurred in an ‘age’ of creation much for ancient than this one, hence the quote ‘he was a murderer from the beginning’. 
 

I will wager that evil did not even exist as a concept until Lucifer conceived of it. Meaning, Satan is in fact the origin of all evil. There was no conception of evil until the Devil and the fallen angels rebelled against God, and became the opposite of God.

 

That isn’t to say that you or I can’t act out of evil, but it is going against our true nature, whereas their inclination and nature IS evil. That is pretty much the definition of a Demon.

[Heavenman]

“………………………………….………………….. Aspects of Infinite Awareness still 

connected to their source have come into the simulation at this ‘time to 

literally hack the system and set minds free of the illusion. Yet no doubt 

a goodly number have themselves been caught in the illusion such is it’s 

perceptual deceit……… “

 

Discuss?. 

[QueenRia]

On 9/12/2022 at 2:27 PM, PH196 said:

But if you believe that the ‘Christian’ interpretation of evil has any merit, then what we are dealing with is not actually an illusory aspect of our own consciousness, but a very real threat to the well being of the human race.

 

On the plane of the ONE (The Infinite, The All-That-Is), evil is an illusion. Just like "human" is an illusion on that plane. It's like if you're playing a video game: your character is not actually "real" the way you are real. But you assume this character and BECOME it in the game. The villain in the game is just as real as your character. To your character, the villain is absolutely real. This is why, on the plane of the human being, evil is indeed as real as the human. But the video game character is not who you really are. Similarly, the human is not who you really are. You are the ONE. Awareness.
This is what David talks about too: your true being is not the human, but the "I AM". On that plane of consciousness, evil is not real anymore, but your human self is not real either. You can identify as the I AM, and then perceive from your individual human consciousness, like you can be sitting in a chair and playing a video game, "becoming" your character. This is what Christ did: he was the I AM, became human, but retained his I AM consciousness. In this consciousness, no evil could touch him. Using the same metaphor, he was consciously sitting on the couch, using the human game character while knowing it was just a game; while everyone around him identified with the characters in the game.

And he wanted to teach us to follow him: "I have given you authority over ALL the power of the enemy" - we have all the power over the enemy because we ARE the power. We just have to identify with it. 

 

I don't take the Bible literally, I believe much of it is using metaphorical, mystical language. So naturally my understanding differers from someone who interprets it more literally, I get that. 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by QueenRia

[QueenRia]

On 9/12/2022 at 10:02 PM, Heavenman said:

“………………………………….………………….. Aspects of Infinite Awareness still 

connected to their source have come into the simulation at this ‘time to 

literally hack the system and set minds free of the illusion. Yet no doubt 

a goodly number have themselves been caught in the illusion such is it’s 

perceptual deceit……… “

 

Discuss?. 

 

I would say those are the people who naturally seem to have a high consciousness. Many of them become teachers who wake people up. But also, some become trapped in limiting matrix-beliefs, maybe even forgot who they are, and so they don't get to "complete their mission". 

This is how I understood it.

I've heard talk of so-called "star seeds" - advanced souls/beings who incarnate on earth to help raise consciousness. But many don't know they're star seeds, they don't remember much before they came here, so the first thing they notice is they don't really fit in. But like David, they are led onto a path of remembrance and so hopefully get to be who they came to be. 

 

EDIT: Jesus must have been the ultimate system hack!

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by QueenRia

[Heavenman]

We are Infinite Awareness.

 

We are connected to source.

 

We have come into the simulation at this time.

We are hacking the system.

Now let’s get on with it.

 

“We are the champions, my friends”

 

Ps; Brilliant book!. And how the world has changed since I first took delivery of it!. 

 

[PH196]

16 hours ago, QueenRia said:

 

On the plane of the ONE (The Infinite, The All-That-Is), evil is an illusion. Just like "human" is an illusion on that plane. It's like if you're playing a video game: your character is not actually "real" the way you are real. But you assume this character and BECOME it in the game. The villain in the game is just as real as your character. To your character, the villain is absolutely real. This is why, on the plane of the human being, evil is indeed as real as the human. But the video game character is not who you really are. Similarly, the human is not who you really are. You are the ONE. Awareness.
This is what David talks about too: your true being is not the human, but the "I AM". On that plane of consciousness, evil is not real anymore, but your human self is not real either. You can identify as the I AM, and then perceive from your individual human consciousness, like you can be sitting in a chair and playing a video game, "becoming" your character. This is what Christ did: he was the I AM, became human, but retained his I AM consciousness. In this consciousness, no evil could touch him. Using the same metaphor, he was consciously sitting on the couch, using the human game character while knowing it was just a game; while everyone around him identified with the characters in the game.

And he wanted to teach us to follow him: "I have given you authority over ALL the power of the enemy" - we have all the power over the enemy because we ARE the power. We just have to identify with it. 

 

I don't take the Bible literally, I believe much of it is using metaphorical, mystical language. So naturally my understanding differers from someone who interprets it more literally, I get that. 

 

That's pretty much what I am saying, I am describing how this unreal creation came into existence. The material and mortal - the unreal - came into existence when some aspects of that 'ONE' consciousness - Angels (spiritual beings) rebelled against God's spiritual kingdom and were cast out of his presence. What was 'cast out' of heaven into the earth was this anti-spiritual nature of the fallen angels rebellion against God as life. This anti-spiritual nature is represented in the physical mortal man, who is unreal and must return to dust. The material and mortal are God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself as the result of their transgression.

 

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It's like if you're playing a video game: your character is not actually "real" the way you are real.

Yes, but what no one explains is how this unreal state of being/consciousness came into existence. Other than they are saying God created it. How can a being who is by all definitions perfect conceive of concepts that are foreign to his nature? He didn't. Those spiritual creatures whom he created conceived of evil when they rebelled against him. God did not conceive of evil.

 

This unreal state of consciousness came into existence through the rebellion of the Spiritual Beings whom God created in his image. And mankind yielded to the minds of these fallen beings, and this mortal existence was manifested as a result. Christ did not take into his spiritual consciousness the law of lust of the fallen angels who rebelled against God, and overcame this unreal state of consciousness - death. That is the correct interpretation of Christianity. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by PH196

[QueenRia]

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

Yes, but what no one explains is how this unreal state of being/consciousness came into existence. Other than they are saying God created it. How can a being who is by all definitions perfect conceive of concepts that are foreign to his nature? He didn't.

 

Like I said, Thomas Troward gave a very conclusive explanation in his "Dore Lectures", which can be found on the internet. So you sure can't complain that "no one explains" it

[QueenRia]

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

That is the correct interpretation of Christianity.

Have you read "The Trap"? One thing I like about David is that he doesn't say he knows the whole Truth. In "The Trap" he explains his insight that the more he learns, the more he realizes how little he knows. 

[novymir]

14 hours ago, PH196 said:

That's pretty much what I am saying, I am describing how this unreal creation came into existence. The material and mortal - the unreal - came into existence when some aspects of that 'ONE' consciousness - Angels (spiritual beings) rebelled against God's spiritual kingdom and were cast out of his presence. What was 'cast out' of heaven into the earth was this anti-spiritual nature of the fallen angels rebellion against God as life. This anti-spiritual nature is represented in the physical mortal man, who is unreal and must return to dust. The material and mortal are God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself as the result of their transgression.

 

Yes, but what no one explains is how this unreal state of being/consciousness came into existence. Other than they are saying God created it. How can a being who is by all definitions perfect conceive of concepts that are foreign to his nature? He didn't. Those spiritual creatures whom he created conceived of evil when they rebelled against him. God did not conceive of evil.

 

This unreal state of consciousness came into existence through the rebellion of the Spiritual Beings whom God created in his image. And mankind yielded to the minds of these fallen beings, and this mortal existence was manifested as a result. Christ did not take into his spiritual consciousness the law of lust of the fallen angels who rebelled against God, and overcame this unreal state of consciousness - death. That is the correct interpretation of Christianity. 

"Lust", the word, just means; intense desire.

 

One must then ask; where did this quality of "lust", "evil" and "rebellion" come from that these supposed "Spiritual creatures", the "Angels" "created by God" "conceived of"?

 

Let me guess ;"free will"? That's kind of an absurdity, when applied to the expression of "evil", or even "rebellion" "against God"....that means God Created them with those things...that God installed those qualities into what It Created. Where else did it come from? Out of "nowhere", what and where is "nowhere"?

 

The ego uses the free-will idea to attack, to project guilt and shame and fear into the mind of the dreamer, exploiting it's ETERNALLY INNOCENT AND TRUSTING NATURE and deceiving it into perpetuating this dream of delusion.

 

And another thing; how can "the unreal" "come into existence"? How can the unreal "exist"?

 

It can't. By definition that which is not real cannot really exist or "be".

 

 

 

What is "fantasy"?

 

We're dreaming this thing up, "evil" didn't start it, but was the result within it.

Edited September 15, 2022 by novymir

[PH196]

5 hours ago, QueenRia said:

 

Like I said, Thomas Troward gave a very conclusive explanation in his "Dore Lectures", which can be found on the internet. So you sure can't complain that "no one explains" it

I’ll take a look at his lectures. My interpretation is assuming there is some level of truth within Christianity. In fact, what David Icke has been writing about for decades is the same ‘conspiracy’ described in the Bible. The inner web of the conspiracy you have the spider coordinating the whole thing, Satan is behind this entire conspiracy whether you believe it or not. Who else would it be? 

 

Rev says: 

9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

 

[KnightOfSwords]

New here and also new to David Icke material.  Howdy.

 

"The Trap" is my first read of David.  Seeing an interview on London Real is what prompted me to buy the book.  Why?  Especially after the last 3 years of saying to myself and others - "This doesn't make any sense!" or "This seems bigger than Democrats vs Republicans" or "How can {insert name of most elites} seem so sincere and passionate about what they are saying when it's clearly a lie?"  Regardless of the accuracy of David's claims, his conclusion filled in those missing puzzle pieces that were causing me so much anxiety and hopelessness. 

The side effect of my mind exploding from the simulation theory, and realizing how it finally answered most of my questions, was about a week of fitful sleep at night.  I usually sleep quite soundly, but instead I was waking up in the morning with my covers literally off the bed and on the floor.  I have worked in the technology world for 25+ years, attended a 4 year energy healing school, and have studied a wide range of meditation and life/mind hacks... so I'm not a newbie to a wide range of open minded and/or creative topics.  But like I said, this blew my mind.  I also can't help thinking that  the fitful sleep was something in/about the VR that was trying to dissuade me from continuing and finishing the book. Anyone else have that experience?  Since I started reading it, I have also been having what I can only describe as negative synchronicities.  I won't get into all of the examples.  But, I'm used to the positive ones in my life that help me, not the negative ones that seem to be derailing me.

 

Anyway, the point of this post regarding The Trap is asking if anyone has studied or followed people who have a similar concept as David, but is way more complicated, far reaching and even more brain twisting as a concept.  For example, some people claim there are 5D through up to 12D beings attempting to help humans on this version of earth,  are regularly visiting in their "space craft", are in contact with the govt, have been at war with the reptilians, etc etc.  Using David's VR theory can explain these as well, but the folks promoting this are all "love and light" or "The Law of One" and I'm not sure what benefit the reptilians would have for weaving such an intricate story through (fake) channeling that these people are supposedly doing over decades. 

 

And honestly, the same could be said for David's story of synchronicity and contact with a higher source of information.  If we are in a controlled virtual reality, literally, how can we believe ANYTHING... including that there is a higher source beyond 4D?  lol.  Maybe we are just a programming experiment on someones laptop on the planet Glorb that's been running for 15 minutes and we've just perceived it as longer.  Oy.  My brain.

 

[Skotfreezy]

Has anyone read the part about "K" or the metallic spider yet?

His thoughts and evidence on reincarnation and how to escape the low frequency vibration so you dont get trapped in the loop is on point in my opinion.

[Skotfreezy]

On 9/15/2022 at 7:08 AM, QueenRia said:

Have you read "The Trap"? One thing I like about David is that he doesn't say he knows the whole Truth. In "The Trap" he explains his insight that the more he learns, the more he realizes how little he knows. 

yes david has mentioned this many times that wisdom is to know how little we know.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Skotfreezy

[Origin]

It demonstrated something like this to me. Every time I thought I could actually understand it, it all came crashing down like a house of cards. Behind each pattern, new more complex patterns were constantly connecting. And you are drawn into the unknown. Of things that are not yet reflected in people's consciousness. Glimpses of immense magnitude. Those who see the impossible directly will quickly discover that we are not ready for it. We reach for tiny fragments without imagining that an immense number of still unknown threads are hidden. But after a certain point, you can't hide from it any more. It will be more difficult the more you know.

[DaleP]

On 8/18/2022 at 3:28 AM, RobinJ said:

After watching the trailer for 'The Trap," something came to me at the end.

David often says that we 'are all that is and can ever be and are experiencing a brief moment as human'

So this begs the question:

If we are only experiencing a brief moment as human, then what other 'brief moments' or other experiences have we been, or, can we be?

If we are infinite awareness, then we must be able to be aware of other existences, possibly of other forms of being/ entity etc.

Also, do we only have experiences in this place, on this planet, or do we experience other formats elsewhere in other places too?

 

Ive not read the book so I dont know if this has been answered by him or anyone else, but I am more than intrigued to hear any thoughts on this.

 

The whole problem is that most cannot see, hear, taste, smell, touch beyond our five senses though some can.

We do have infinite awareness but it has been shut, blocked by too many nonsensical hypnosis.

Hence when people take a shroom trip etc.... we bypass our consciousness and be able to access other worlds/realms.

I believe, from my study, we are more than this physical body..... we are actually existing in many levels/realms but of course while we are in this 3D realm, the frequency is very low and cannot access higher realms/dimensions but we are all in there. For example, you could be a part of a god or an animal. There are methods to access the higher realm so it's not all gloom and doom.

 

[DaleP]

On 8/24/2022 at 11:30 PM, sickofallthebollocks said:

you're in many different places

That's right. You can experience this without any drugs.

You are in many different places all at once, not in a physical sense but in particles like photons.

After all, we are all one though we look separate.

Like many out of this world experience, it's hard to describe with words and one should be experienced. It's much quicker to understand that way.

 

[DaleP]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:11 AM, PH196 said:

What is this saying in essence? The Fallen Angels are attempting to absorb human consciousness into their domain.

 

ah, what if.......

We are a part of that fallen angel/god/everything? After all, we are one...right?

These angels don't have a physical body so the only way that they can experience 'human' consciousness is through us.... think about that.....

Edited November 13, 2022 by DaleP

[DaleP]

On 9/9/2022 at 8:46 AM, Truthblast said:

Can we make the right decisions?

 

What if there is no right or wrong decision looking from a higher perspective?

It only becomes right/wrong in duality.

 

[DaleP]

On 9/10/2022 at 2:05 AM, Dick Yang said:

It took me a month to finally get this book.  I live in a small city in China.  It is difficult for Chinese people to awaken because this is the incubation pool of cults.

 

It's probably better if there is a new thread dedicated about China but do you have your Sesami score? How do you find it?

[RobinJ]

On 11/12/2022 at 9:52 PM, DaleP said:

 

The whole problem is that most cannot see, hear, taste, smell, touch beyond our five senses though some can.

We do have infinite awareness but it has been shut, blocked by too many nonsensical hypnosis.

Hence when people take a shroom trip etc.... we bypass our consciousness and be able to access other worlds/realms.

I believe, from my study, we are more than this physical body..... we are actually existing in many levels/realms but of course while we are in this 3D realm, the frequency is very low and cannot access higher realms/dimensions but we are all in there. For example, you could be a part of a god or an animal. There are methods to access the higher realm so it's not all gloom and doom.

 

Yes I think I agree with you on this. From stuff Ive experienced and been shown i do think we exist in many ways or forms. Good and 'bad exists in us all but we get to choose which path. It part of a curse and a blessing 

Many of my new friends who are plugged into the spiritual zone are experiencing new talents and learning to hone them. Ive learned a few myself, including how to  deal with dark energy in people and a much more tuned intuition about who to avoid. It definitely helps to use a 'facilitator' in the beginning, if you can take the mind shift afterwards. If you use weed, edibles or shrooms, and set an intention before you begin, ( rather than just use it for a high) then all kinds of amazing stuff is shown to you. Fun times learning who and what we are for sure!

[DaleP]

9 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Yes I think I agree with you on this. From stuff Ive experienced and been shown i do think we exist in many ways or forms. Good and 'bad exists in us all but we get to choose which path. It part of a curse and a blessing 

Yes, whether evil or good. It's up to an individual to turn everything to good.

 

9 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Many of my new friends who are plugged into the spiritual zone are experiencing new talents and learning to hone them. Ive learned a few myself, including how to  deal with dark energy in people and a much more tuned intuition about who to avoid. It definitely helps to use a 'facilitator' in the beginning, if you can take the mind shift afterwards. If you use weed, edibles or shrooms, and set an intention before you begin, ( rather than just use it for a high) then all kinds of amazing stuff is shown to you. Fun times learning who and what we are for sure!

 

I think there are number of ways to do this. Would be interested to know your version of it, not necessarily the details of how to but jist of what you do....may be in PM if you've got time. Like yourself, these days, I just need to hear someone talk about an overview of things and I can tell how it is done.

 

btw, in your neck of the woods, have you ever heard of people sucking the spirit of a person when they exit the body at the time of dying?

The first time I heard of this was some years ago and I am hearing it again. I don't know the proper name for it.

Nothing evil about it. There is a purpose which is interesting.

 

Was that you who once said, you might hang around in 3D for a while after you dying? You could slip into a dead body, resurrect yourself like Jesus and be a genius.

Anyways, this is way far out stories for most people. They probably think we are on something or lost it taking one or two. lol

[Pierre-Luc]

On 9/21/2022 at 4:01 PM, KnightOfSwords said:

New here and also new to David Icke material.  Howdy.

 

"The Trap" is my first read of David.  Seeing an interview on London Real is what prompted me to buy the book.  Why?  Especially after the last 3 years of saying to myself and others - "This doesn't make any sense!" or "This seems bigger than Democrats vs Republicans" or "How can {insert name of most elites} seem so sincere and passionate about what they are saying when it's clearly a lie?"  Regardless of the accuracy of David's claims, his conclusion filled in those missing puzzle pieces that were causing me so much anxiety and hopelessness. 

The side effect of my mind exploding from the simulation theory, and realizing how it finally answered most of my questions, was about a week of fitful sleep at night.  I usually sleep quite soundly, but instead I was waking up in the morning with my covers literally off the bed and on the floor.  I have worked in the technology world for 25+ years, attended a 4 year energy healing school, and have studied a wide range of meditation and life/mind hacks... so I'm not a newbie to a wide range of open minded and/or creative topics.  But like I said, this blew my mind.  I also can't help thinking that  the fitful sleep was something in/about the VR that was trying to dissuade me from continuing and finishing the book. Anyone else have that experience?  Since I started reading it, I have also been having what I can only describe as negative synchronicities.  I won't get into all of the examples.  But, I'm used to the positive ones in my life that help me, not the negative ones that seem to be derailing me.

 

Anyway, the point of this post regarding The Trap is asking if anyone has studied or followed people who have a similar concept as David, but is way more complicated, far reaching and even more brain twisting as a concept.  For example, some people claim there are 5D through up to 12D beings attempting to help humans on this version of earth,  are regularly visiting in their "space craft", are in contact with the govt, have been at war with the reptilians, etc etc.  Using David's VR theory can explain these as well, but the folks promoting this are all "love and light" or "The Law of One" and I'm not sure what benefit the reptilians would have for weaving such an intricate story through (fake) channeling that these people are supposedly doing over decades. 

 

And honestly, the same could be said for David's story of synchronicity and contact with a higher source of information.  If we are in a controlled virtual reality, literally, how can we believe ANYTHING... including that there is a higher source beyond 4D?  lol.  Maybe we are just a programming experiment on someones laptop on the planet Glorb that's been running for 15 minutes and we've just perceived it as longer.  Oy.  My brain.

 

the kind of sleep disruption i experienced...some long gone negative feelings had come back...but after following Jerry Marzinsky work for a while now and just tell those witicoco to fuck off. My urge to speak about current events seem to be more ....strong to say the least. I binge listen the audio book at work in something like...4 or 5 days..it give a buzz. I wanted to buy it in the first place but while texting with a friends he told me he already have it...i still gone go buy it...it is more than worth it.

[Kelli]

OMG. I have read all of Mr. Icke's books that I have been able to order from his site. And I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I do tend to bow to his wisdom, and to take him at his word - so that when he writes about, for example, a girl he chose to call simply "K" in one of his most recent books (The Trap) I believed him when he said that "K" was the first initial of her name and that he was using it to refer to her instead of her full first name.  I didn't for a minute suppose that he was referring to a substance such as ketamine, or anything else, other than the name of a childhood crush. 

[RobinJ]

17 hours ago, Kelli said:

OMG. I have read all of Mr. Icke's books that I have been able to order from his site. And I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I do tend to bow to his wisdom, and to take him at his word - so that when he writes about, for example, a girl he chose to call simply "K" in one of his most recent books (The Trap) I believed him when he said that "K" was the first initial of her name and that he was using it to refer to her instead of her full first name.  I didn't for a minute suppose that he was referring to a substance such as ketamine, or anything else, other than the name of a childhood crush. 

Exactly, and, apart from anything else, ketamine was not a thing back then in the 50's. Its a modern phenomena in drug land. I think folks are pasting onto it what their own beliefs are. I dont see why anyone would think its a drug he is referring too. I read it and that makes zero sense to me. Icke is a pretty straightforward kind of guy, not one to talk in riddles.