Do you believe in 'Fate?' ...

[webtrekker]

“I have noticed that even those who assert that everything is predestined and that we can change nothing about it still look both ways before they cross the street.” - Prof Stephen Hawking

 

So, what's your opinion? If you believe in Fate and Pre-destination then you should be able to happily close your eyes and walk over a main road. If the notion of 'Fate' is true then whatever happens to you would have happened anyway and there's nothing you could have done about it.

 

So I'll ask again - Would you walk over a main road with your eyes closed to prove your belief in Fate? I know I bloody wouldn't!

 

 

 

[Less seriously, I've seen lots of smart phone owners doing exactly that, so I guess they must believe in Fate! ]

 

 

 

[endfreemasonscum]

I don't think that you or Hawking understand the actual argument. In other words, through several obvious factors we are fated to look before crossing. Is there evidence that that is choice?

[alexa]

On 8/27/2022 at 12:13 PM, webtrekker said:

Would you walk over a main road with your eyes closed to prove your belief in Fate?

 

To do this would be to tempt fate & the Lord sez lead us not into temptation, so noway would I walk across a road with my eyes closed....... (especially if it's rush hour) 

[webtrekker]

6 hours ago, endfreemasonscum said:

I don't think that you or Hawking understand the actual argument. In other words, through several obvious factors we are fated to look before crossing. Is there evidence that that is choice?

 

I think you are the one who does not understand.

 

If you close your eyes and cross the road then the very act of closing your eyes would have already been pre-destined. 'Choice' makes no sense at all if you believe in fate and predestination.

 

 

 

[webtrekker]

4 hours ago, alexa said:

 

To do this would be to tempt fate & the Lord sez lead us not into temptation, so noway would I walk across a road with my eyes closed....... (especially if it's rush hour) 

 

Don't you see how the very phrase 'tempt fate' is illogical?

 

'Fate' has already determined what will happen, whether you tempt it or not.

 

 

 

[alexa]

17 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

Don't you see how the very phrase 'tempt fate' is illogical?

 

'Fate' has already determined what will happen, whether you tempt it or not.

 

 

 

 

Never looked at it that way. 

[sickofallthebollocks]

 

[andy1033]

I believe its half destiny, half free will.

 

Like if you were destined to have your life ruined in some way, if you stopped it, it would be ruined in a similar way, but it will be ruined.

 

Like everyone has a certain amount of humans in opposite gender they can really fall in love with. Those chances can come in your life, and you can take them, but you can also not take any of them.

 

Do you see, why life is a mixture of half destiny, half free will.

[JCP]

Do I believe in 'Fate'? NO, I believe that we all create our own destiny. It is our thoughts, emotions, and expectations that form our reality. There is nothing predetermined in the quantum field of unlimited possibilities. Fate does not exist ......... however it does provide the perfect excuse for your failures. What people are calling fate, is what they are creating unconsciously.

 

 

 

[shabbirss]

sometimes when you do things without thinking - like a robot kinda - and end up in situations (good or bad) ... situations that you know your normal behaviour would not have led you to - i believe this is where fate comes into play. personally i think these are experiences that we NEED to have in order to learn / unlearn / grow / elevate from.

[Morpheus]

14 hours ago, shabbirss said:

sometimes when you do things without thinking - like a robot kinda - and end up in situations (good or bad) ... situations that you know your normal behaviour would not have led you to - i believe this is where fate comes into play. personally i think these are experiences that we NEED to have in order to learn / unlearn / grow / elevate from.

Wouldn't that be conscious and subconscious?

[Origin]

Doesn't matter to me. And I don't care if I'm eventually told that I could have done it better. I was and I am responsible for myself.

[shabbirss]

19 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Wouldn't that be conscious and subconscious?

yes subconsciously doing stuff that you normally don't do.
for example driving along unconsciously on a route that you never otherwise use.
its like being guided by something else, the hand of fate perhaps.

[JCP]

7 hours ago, shabbirss said:

yes subconsciously doing stuff that you normally don't do.
for example driving along unconsciously on a route that you never otherwise use.
its like being guided by something else, the hand of fate perhaps.

 

It's a question that humans (at this point) can't answer with 100% certainty because our range of perception is so narrow. Is the decision to drive down that route controlled by an external force; or does it come from intuition or the subconscious within. Even if we can't know the answer for sure, it's good to explore and ponder. Personally I lean towards us creating our own destiny and that we have powers and abilities that we are unaware of. We just have to remember who we are and broaden our perceptions.

[tommydrifter]

People that make the predestination argument are typically secular materialists who make a rational argument based on the scientific laws that govern matter at the scale of the infinitesimal. 

 

There is no predestination except perhaps for subatomic particles with no consciousness. There is, however, mind control programming (external) and karma (internal) to reckon with. Your destiny might be have been mind programmed into your subconscious mind or karmically "predetermined" by your lifelines and your lifetimes! 

 

The fact of freewill in the galaxy is why the original corruption occurred in the first place: the fallen angels rejected God's will in favour of their own will. This led to the problem of evil.

 

Those of us who understand True Spirituality will know that one can follow their own will or God's will: it is a choice. To follow God's will requires Oversoul communication in God-Mind Awareness which is experienced as intuition.

 

On 8/30/2022 at 7:49 AM, andy1033 said:

I believe its half destiny, half free will.

 

Like if you were destined to have your life ruined in some way, if you stopped it, it would be ruined in a similar way, but it will be ruined.

 

This is karma in action. The details of your life might have been different but your life was going to play out along those lines -- unless healing was achieved. The problem I have had, personally, is an inability to heal. Therefore, I am unable to turn my life around. It is a nightmare for those of us in this situation. In my opinion, we are fucked, there is nothing we can do. I meditate, I pray, I practise healthy living -- but nothing much changes because no healing is achieved.

 

On 8/30/2022 at 7:49 AM, andy1033 said:

Those chances can come in your life, and you can take them, but you can also not take any of them.

 

The missed opportunities in life were not missed opportunities. Even if you took those opportunities, the relationship would have failed and the career opening would have led to nowhere. Your healing needs would have seen to it. Your external circumstances will change when your internal circumstances change. Until we heal, nothing much changes.

 

( At this point, you are karma's bitch.  )