The Left Infoverse VS The Right Infoverse - How The Hell Is The World Supposed To Function Like This?

[Truthblast]

Something that really bothers me lately:

- With 99% of Left websites, you already know what the position on any issue will be

- With 99% of Right websites, you already know what the position on any issue will be

 

 My views? More or less 50% on the Left and 50% on the Right.

 

I may be on the Left or on the Right, depending on the specific nature of the issue.

 

And yet I have to deal wity a cluster of stuck-together beliefs on either side.

 

Example?

 

I think the Left's ideal of wealth being spread more equitably across society is sound

 

But I don't think the Left's "Woke" crap, or children being encouraged to become "gender fluid' and snip their genitals off is sound at all

 

I feel closer to the Right on abortion - I don't think aborting a little human in the womb is a good thing, except in exceptional circumstances like rape

 

But I cannot wrap my head around the Right's illogical stance on environment - many on the Right seem to believe that nature is a TOILET you can shit in however and how often you want with no consequences

 

 

The point of all this?

 

 

I'm getting SICK AND TIRED of both the LEFT CAMP and the RIGHT CAMP STICKING 50 UNCONNECTED ISSUES TOGETHER INTO ONE GREAT BALL FROM ONE PARTISAN PERSPECTIVE

 

 

And then you are supposed to say "Me, I'm a Leftiel!" or "Me, I'm a Rightie!"

 

 

Even though BOTH CAMPS routinely take PRETTY STUPID POSITIONS on DIFFERENT ISSUES.

 

 

WHERE IS A INFOVERSE WHICH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OR A BIT ON BOTH SIDES?

 

 

Because I don't think you CAN GET ALL TRUTH AT ALL FROM LISTENING TO JUST THE LEFT OR JUST THE RIGHT AT ALL.

 

Both sides ROUTINELY GET IMPORTANT ISSUES BADLY WRONG.

 

BOTH INFOVERSES ARE ONLY CORRECT ON CERTAIN ISSUES.

[EnigmaticWorld]

You can adopt a new position, but elites will make you a pariah. I'm not truly 100% Right-Wing, but maybe that's because I used to be a bleeding heart Lib.

[Macnamara]

The thing to understand is that the handful of people who own most of the worlds wealth own all the big corporations including the banks, the central banks, the media, the big pharmaceutical companies, the oil companies and the weapons manufacturing companies

 

Those people send their sons and daughters to elite universities

 

Those elite universities are the recruitment ground for the intelligence agencies who fill their ranks with people from those families

 

The intelligence agencies then assist those families in running the global trade in all of the worlds major commodities:

-drugs

-sex

-currency

-oil

-weapons

 

Those super wealthy families control the oil business but they want to transition us into a new mode of society called a 'technocracy' which is one where peoples energy useage is monitored and then regulated. The excuse for this is to combat 'climate change' and it enables them total control over every aspect of everyones life. In fact it NEEDS to monitor EVERYTHING you do in order to function which is why they intend to make everything 'smart' so that they know exactly what you ate doing from one moment to the next and can shut you down at any point if they so wish

 

In order to create that technocracy they have to shift the economy from oil to electricity ('green revolution') which means that they have to wean people off the oil that they got them addicted to. This is because they can't monitor your use of fossil fuels but if everything you use is electric and digital and 'smart' (wireless) then they can monitor and measure and manage everything you do.

 

In order to create what on the surface looks like a groundswell of changing public opinion the super rich families create NGO's and organisations that pretend to be 'leftwing' but really they are just useful idiots of the oligarchs

 

this creates what looks like a tension between what some might call 'left' and 'right' but the truth is that big money is steering both

 

For example BLM, antifa and a host of NGO's are not grassroots movements looking to benefit workers; they are elite funded operations geared towards remoulding society into a technocracy run by the oligarchs. They are not looking to create equality for all people. They are looking to create a two tier neo-feudal society where the plebs are all equal in their misery and lack of choice

Edited August 22, 2022 by Macnamara

[EnigmaticWorld]

15 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

Those super wealthy families control the oil business but they want to transition us into a new mode of society called a 'technocracy' which is one where peoples energy useage is monitored and then regulated. The excuse for this is to combat 'climate change' and it enables them totak control over every aspect of everyones life. In fact it NEEDS to monitor and micro-manage in order to function

 

In order to create that technocracy they have to shift the economy from oil to electricity ('green revolution') which means that they have to wean people off the oil that they got them addicted to.

 

Some context to backup your point.

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Some context to backup your point.

The Rockefeller Foundation Commits to Divesting from Fossil Fuels

https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/news/the-rockefeller-foundation-commits-to-divesting-from-fossil-fuels/

 

Rockefeller Foundation pledges $10m to promote inclusive growth in 10 US cities

News16 Jun 2020by SmartCitiesWorld news team

https://www.smartcitiesworld.net/news/news/rockefeller-foundation-pledges-10m-to-promote-inclusive-growth-in-10-us-cities-5369

Edited August 22, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

The Rockefeller Way: The Family’s Covert ‘Climate Change’ Plan

Executive Summary

By The Energy & Environmental Legal Institute

Global Research, July 22, 2022

The Energy & Environmental Legal Institute 1 December 2016

First published in December 2016, this article is of relevance to an understanding of the ongoing debate on Climate Change as well the Green New Deal,  largely controlled by the financial establishment. The Rockefellers also play a key role in the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset Proposal.

***

“Beginning in the 1980s, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund became leading advocates of the global warming agenda. …

In their Sustainable Development Program Review, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund boasts of being one of the first major global warming activists, citing its strong advocacy for both the 1988 formation of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the 1992 establishment of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change.” (excerpt from Report)

The following text is the Executive Summary of  a full length report by The Energy & Environmental Legal Institute published in 2016.

This informative report is brought to the attention of Global Research readers. The CRG does not necessarily endorse the title nor the contents of this report.

What is important, however, is to acknowledge the role of the Rockefeller family –which historically was the architect of “Big Oil”– in supporting the Climate Change debate as well as the funding of scientists, environmentalists and NGOs involved in grassroots activism against “Big Oil” and the fossil fuel industry.

Debate on the world’s climate is of crucial importance. But who controls and FINANCES that debate?

There is an obvious contradictory relationship: Whereas “Big Oil” is the target of Global Warming activism, “Big Oil” through the Rockefeller Family and Rockefeller Brothers Trusts generously finance the Worldwide climate protest movement. Ask yourself Why?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/rockefeller-familys-covert-climate-change-plan/5678775

 

rockefellers etc paying activists not out of 'guilt' as the daily mail falsely claims but to create 'astroturf' groups to remould society made up of useful idiots:

Offsetting guilt: Eco-minded descendants of billionaire oil barons are PAYING hundreds of activists $25,000-a-year to protest around the world because they feel 'a moral obligation to put genie back in the bottle'

• Aileen Getty, Rebecca Rockefeller Lambert, Peter Gill Case paying salaries for eco-thugs through non-profits
• Getty, whose granddad created Getty Oil, has so far splashed out $1million through Climate Emergency Fund
• Lambert and Case, members of the Rockefeller family, have forked out $30million on The Equation Campaign
• They've put eco-activists on the payroll for around $25,000 as well as pumped money into the organizations
• It comes as eco-warriors have been continuing to wreak havoc across the world with stunts in recent months

By James Gant For Dailymail.Com

Published: 18:59 BST, 10 August 2022 | Updated: 22:29 BST, 10 August 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11099581/Three-oil-scions-PAYING-hundreds-eco-activists-25-000-year-professional-protesters.html

Edited August 22, 2022 by Macnamara

[JCP]

 

The sadist point is that so many people buy into this false narrative. It only serves the e-leet to keep us divided. While we remain divided, the people that devised this false paradigm stand united ........ to our detriment. We need free thinkers instead of people that identify only with the box they've placed themselves in.

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

13 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

The sadist point is that so many people buy into this false narrative. It only serves the e-leet to keep us divided. While we remain divided, the people that devised this false paradigm stand united ........ to our detriment. We need free thinkers instead of people that identify only with the box they've placed themselves in.

 

 

This assumes that politics isn't downstream from culture. Regardless of parties, some people are more naturally conservative, and some are more liberal. Good luck getting people with different cultural values to unite. It's never going to happen. It's better that people have their own space so people don't tear each other apart. 

 

If I believe in traditional values, strong families, and every culture having self-determination, how am I going to get along with some deracinated rootless cosmopolitan that hates his nation and people?

[Truthblast]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

The thing to understand is that the handful of people who own most of the worlds wealth own all the big corporations including the banks, the central banks, the media, the big pharmaceutical companies, the oil companies and the weapons manufacturing companies

 

Those people send their sons and daughters to elite universities

 

Those elite universities are the recruitment ground for the intelligence agencies who fill their ranks with people from those families

 

The intelligence agencies then assist those families in running the global trade in all of the worlds major commodities:

-drugs

-sex

-currency

-oil

-weapons

 

Those super wealthy families control the oil business but they want to transition us into a new mode of society called a 'technocracy' which is one where peoples energy useage is monitored and then regulated. The excuse for this is to combat 'climate change' and it enables them total control over every aspect of everyones life. In fact it NEEDS to monitor EVERYTHING you do in order to function which is why they intend to make everything 'smart' so that they know exactly what you ate doing from one moment to the next and can shut you down at any point if they so wish

 

In order to create that technocracy they have to shift the economy from oil to electricity ('green revolution') which means that they have to wean people off the oil that they got them addicted to. This is because they can't monitor your use of fossil fuels but if everything you use is electric and digital and 'smart' (wireless) then they can monitor and measure and manage everything you do.

 

In order to create what on the surface looks like a groundswell of changing public opinion the super rich families create NGO's and organisations that pretend to be 'leftwing' but really they are just useful idiots of the oligarchs

 

this creates what looks like a tension between what some might call 'left' and 'right' but the truth is that big money is steering both

 

For example BLM, antifa and a host of NGO's are not grassroots movements looking to benefit workers; they are elite funded operations geared towards remoulding society into a technocracy run by the oligarchs. They are not looking to create equality for all people. They are looking to create a two tier neo-feudal society where the plebs are all equal in their misery and lack of choice

 

They made one teeny tiny mistake along the way:

 

- Most of the countries outside the West are MUCH more Conservative culturally than say the USA or Germany or Sweden

- WOKE/LGBT has really PISSED OFF and SCARED people in those countries

- People would excitedly get Netflix for the first time in their country and have a WTF? reaction when they see the LGBT crap being pushed

 

If they had done a CLEAN technology rollout - just smart stuff which is useful in daily life - technocracy could have crept in through the backdoor.

 

 

But these people COULD NOT KEEP THEIR DICK IN THEIR PANTS so to speak.

 

They had to throw their WOKE CRAP into the mix, and during a horrible PANDEMIC to boot.

 

With the technology - smartphones, Netflix and so on - came a CULTURAL DEGENERACY and IMMORALITY which people didn't like AT ALL.

 

To put it more bluntly - America's image in much of the world is RUINED.

 

American pop culture has gone from interesting and enjoyable to "what the [email protected]@@ is wrong with Americans?"

 

 

So while people in many places like the new technologies, they do NOT like what is being pushed THROUGH that technology.

 

 

And that made exciting new tech leave a BAD AFTERTASTE for many, including the most educated classes in many countries.

 

People didn't get brilliant content during the pandemic. They felt like a SEWER of 3rd rate awfulness was flowing into their smartphones.

 

It'll take some effort to repair that damage.

 

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

7 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

This assumes that politics isn't downstream from culture. Regardless of parties, some people are more naturally conservative, and some are more liberal. Good luck getting people with different cultural values to unite. It's never going to happen. It's better that people have their own space so people don't tear each other apart. 

 

If I believe in traditional values, strong families, and every culture having self-determination, how am I going to get along with some deracinated rootless cosmopolitan that hates his nation and people?

 

I should add that it's possible to unite against individual agendas like Covid for example, but harder to unite people in general, especially when you throw religion in the mix, and the fact that everyone besides white liberals have in-group preference. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a socially cohesive society being a reality any time soon.

[EnigmaticWorld]

How do you make all these people get along without making them uprooted globalized homogeneous citizens?

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[Youknownothingbutyou]

26 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

 how am I going to get along with some deracinated rootless cosmopolitan that hates his nation and people?

i honestly never met anyone like this in real life

 

 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

13 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

How do you make all these people get along without making them uprooted globalized homogeneous citizens?

 

 

 

so what is your solution?

isnt there universal truths that we, as the human race, should all agree upon on and then base our reality on those?

Edited August 22, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[EnigmaticWorld]

3 minutes ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

i honestly never met anyone like this in real life

 

Do you live in an urban environment? It's anecdotal I know, but I have experienced plenty of urbanites that don't care if British people become a hated minority in our own homeland, but not so much in rural areas.

Edited August 22, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[EnigmaticWorld]

1 minute ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

so what is your solution?

isnt there universal truths that we, as the human race, should all agree upon on and then base our reality on those?

 

My solution is to stop trying to mix different cultures with totally different values into a slave race. 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Do you live in an urban environment? It's anecdotal I know, but I have experienced plenty of urbanites that don't care if British people become a hated minority in a our own homeland, but not so much in rural areas.

yeah, i live in a big city in America.

 

of those people you mention who hates their nationality, how common are they?

[Youknownothingbutyou]

2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

My solution is to stop trying to mix different cultures with totally different values into a slave race. 

sadly, i think this ship has sailed. The immigrants are way too many to make them all leave.

 

we, as white, have already lost our country. nothing will be able to fix the dire situation.

Just understand that hapilly you will not experience the horrible fate of our race as youll be long dead when we truly become in minority in our homeland

Edited August 22, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[EnigmaticWorld]

7 minutes ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

yeah, i live in a big city in America.

 

of those people you mention who hates their nationality, how common are they?

 

Hard to say. Maybe 'hate' isn't the right word, maybe they just don't care about their tribe because they're too blind to see that it's under threat.

 

When Brits were surveyed,  and made aware that they'll be a minority by 2066 if trends stay the same, the majority were against it.

https://odysee.com/@LauraTowler:3/we-were-never-asked:2

 

Only 5% say multiculturalism is working too.

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[Ethel]

3 hours ago, Truthblast said:

Something that really bothers me lately:

- With 99% of Left websites, you already know what the position on any issue will be

- With 99% of Right websites, you already know what the position on any issue will be

 

 My views? More or less 50% on the Left and 50% on the Right.

 

I may be on the Left or on the Right, depending on the specific nature of the issue.

 

And yet I have to deal wity a cluster of stuck-together beliefs on either side.

 

Example?

 

I think the Left's ideal of wealth being spread more equitably across society is sound

 

But I don't think the Left's "Woke" crap, or children being encouraged to become "gender fluid' and snip their genitals off is sound at all

 

I feel closer to the Right on abortion - I don't think aborting a little human in the womb is a good thing, except in exceptional circumstances like rape

 

But I cannot wrap my head around the Right's illogical stance on environment - many on the Right seem to believe that nature is a TOILET you can shit in however and how often you want with no consequences

 

 

The point of all this?

 

 

I'm getting SICK AND TIRED of both the LEFT CAMP and the RIGHT CAMP STICKING 50 UNCONNECTED ISSUES TOGETHER INTO ONE GREAT BALL FROM ONE PARTISAN PERSPECTIVE

 

 

And then you are supposed to say "Me, I'm a Leftiel!" or "Me, I'm a Rightie!"

 

 

Even though BOTH CAMPS routinely take PRETTY STUPID POSITIONS on DIFFERENT ISSUES.

 

 

WHERE IS A INFOVERSE WHICH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OR A BIT ON BOTH SIDES?

 

 

Because I don't think you CAN GET ALL TRUTH AT ALL FROM LISTENING TO JUST THE LEFT OR JUST THE RIGHT AT ALL.

 

Both sides ROUTINELY GET IMPORTANT ISSUES BADLY WRONG.

 

BOTH INFOVERSES ARE ONLY CORRECT ON CERTAIN ISSUES.

 

Like you, my political views could be said to span a large part of the political spectrum. I even have some Anarchist views. I figured out recently that it isn't possible to put all of your eggs in one basket, politics wise, and actually maintain any kind of logic, because both the liberal and conservative ideologies are designed to contain contradictions within them.

 

So, "Liberals" like to talk of the value of life and defend the human rights of various "oppressed" groups but completely dehumanize pre-birth human babies with almost psychopathic ruthlessness. They generally tend towards Veganism, but promote abortion. They generally would tend to oppose the death penalty, but promote abortion, and so on.

 

"Conservatives" will oppose abortion in one breath, but promote the death penalty or try to justify certain wars in the next breath. They will enjoy promoting the human rights of unborn babies but promote the idea that reducing the slaughter of trillions of animals worldwide on an annual basis is some kind of leftist fad, or worse still, a plan to destroy the livelihoods of farmers. I am descended from farmers, I've witnessed how casually they betray their own animals. Let them switch to crop farming. 

 

My views are reasonably consistent. This is where having difficulty "fitting in" to society can actually benefit you because you don't fully attune to any particular group, therefore you are able to see the vast web of logical fallacies holding their ideologies together. "Fitting in" can actually damage a person's integrity because they develop enormous blind spots relative to their in-group's set of values. 

 

 

[JCP]

4 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I should add that it's possible to unite against individual agendas like Covid for example, but harder to unite people in general, especially when you throw religion in the mix, and the fact that everyone besides white liberals have in-group preference. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a socially cohesive society being a reality any time soon.

 

Religion is as much a divider as the left/right paradigm is (and both probably by design). It is time to be more tolerant of others religions and dispel the idea that we know who the creator is, when in fact we do not and can not. We were never meant to know and don't have the capability to know. It's only a belief system that we adhere to that someone instilled on us. Should we really be fighting with each other over a belief that can not be proven? This is an instance where ignorance truly is bliss and it is alright to say "I Do Not Know", instead of killing people for not believing as we do. We need to break the programming and unite against those who wish to do us true harm. If you don't see it, you've already made up your mind. The man who says he can, and the man who says can not, are both right.

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

2 hours ago, JCP said:

It is time to be more tolerant of others religions and dispel the idea that we know who the creator is,

 

 

Yeah, it's always us that get told we need to be tolerant though. And tolerating intolerance is dangerous.