Dishonesty - Is It On The Rise Everywhere?

[Truthblast]

I talked to 2 people recently who each said "There is a real slide towards dishonesty, selfishness, cheating and corruption in our country. Every year it gets a bit worse, and many people who do it now think its normal and brush it away as 'Its just a way to make money. Nothing more. I do it for my family and children. Everybody else would do exactly the same.'"

 

 

What is everybody's thoughts on this?

 

 

Are we entering a "post-ethics" phase of human civilization where it is "every man for himself"?

 

 

Is the world giving up on honesty, decency, empathy and morality?

[novymir]

 

 

The dream world you believe to be real never was and never will be "real". How can "the world" then, be "honest", until it lets go of the lies that contradict Reality? Of course then, the "world" dissolves back into the nothingness from which it came. And that's what everyone is afraid of....especially the so-called "elite". They like the game of superior-inferior/ predator/prey. You/we are marked for death, and replay, until you get honest with your(our)self. The "world" will never get honest, only individuals within it do.

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

On 8/8/2022 at 4:55 PM, Truthblast said:

I talked to 2 people recently who each said "There is a real slide towards dishonesty, selfishness, cheating and corruption in our country. Every year it gets a bit worse, and many people who do it now think its normal and brush it away as 'Its just a way to make money. Nothing more. I do it for my family and children. Everybody else would do exactly the same.'"

 

 

What is everybody's thoughts on this?

 

 

Are we entering a "post-ethics" phase of human civilization where it is "every man for himself"?

 

 

Is the world giving up on honesty, decency, empathy and morality?

 

I saw two recent examples posted by West Midlands Police.

 

Ex-PC lied about girlfriend’s cancer battle to get time off work

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A former police officer who invented a fictional girlfriend and claimed she’d died of cancer to get time off work would have been dismissed had he not already resigned.

Ex-PC Harry Sarkar, aged 21, told his Inspector she’d passed away in April last year.

He was given three days bereavement leave and his supervisor also agreed an enhanced flexible working pattern over a prolonged period while he supported his ill partner.

However, we became suspicious due to his demeanour when he returned to work and later established he’d made up the whole story.

PC Sarkar admitted he’d lied because he needed time off work for unrelated personal reasons.

The student officer, who joined the force in August 2020, resigned from the force on 1 March this year, but the misconduct proceedings continued anyway.

Full story: https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/ex-pc-lied-about-girlfriends-cancer-battle-get-time-work

 

Ex-officer flouted Covid rules with London trip as he was “bored”

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A former PC who broke coronavirus restrictions by travelling to London because he was ‘bored’ – and later lied about self-isolating – would have been sacked had he not resigned.
Ex-PC Mohammed Miah drove to the capital during lockdown on 15 November 2020.
But he was stopped by officers from the Metropolitan Police who asked him why he had made the journey.
He produced his warrant card, but did not claim to be on police business. He said he’d made the trip to London because he was bored during lockdown.
However, when questioned by a supervisor on his return to work he lied about the trip and claimed he’d self-isolated from 15-23 November due to displaying Covid symptoms.
PC Miah, who joined us in 2020 and worked at our Lloyd House headquarters checking incident logs, resigned from the force in June this year, but misconduct proceedings continued.

Full story: https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/ex-officer-flouted-covid-rules-london-trip-he-was-bored

 

Now, I know these are just two examples, and at least WMP have posted about these on their own website. (Instead of trying to 'cover them up' as would normally happen)

 

We are all 'expected' to trust our police officers, but what does it say about our modern police recruitment process when such kinds of dishonest people can become police officers.

 

Or indeed, considering the age of these two officers, what does it say about this generation of 'young people' now entering the 'real world' of gainful employment having 'graduated' from their university or college 'training programmes'?

 

And how many other 'young' police officers are there out there who have also lied and been dishonest but not yet found out?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captainlove]

Dishonesty has been around for ever. It could be getting worse yes. This is what happens when the law is to weak to act. And people are no longer taut respect. You can thank the lefty wankers for that.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Captainlove

[Macnamara]

I'm gonna credit mark passio for the following perspectives:

 

If a left brain imbalance leads to a world view of randomness where the person believes that the world is a cosmic accident with no underlying purpose or intelligence in nature then that can lead to solipsism where the person then sees no purpose in anything as they believe the truth is whatever they perceive it to be. This can then lead to MORAL RELETAVISM where the person then believes that there are no set morals because in a dead and mechanistic universe they see no objective right or wrong. They then believe that what is good is whatever is good for them even if it is morally wrong

 

This in turn leads to social darwinnism which is the ideology of the elites whereby they believe they can do what they like as they believe themselves to be the fittest.

 

Scientism is another form of left brain imbalance where people believe the universe is a giant dead machine in which we can explain everything.

 

So i guess if we take dishonesty back to source we could ask a new question: is there more left brain imbalance in the world and is that leading to moral reletavism?

Edited August 13, 2022 by Macnamara

[Stuart dorrans]

On 8/8/2022 at 5:32 PM, novymir said:

 

 

The dream world you believe to be real never was and never will be "real". How can "the world" then, be "honest", until it lets go of the lies that contradict Reality? Of course then, the "world" dissolves back into the nothingness from which it came. And that's what everyone is afraid of....especially the so-called "elite". They like the game of superior-inferior/ predator/prey. You/we are marked for death, and replay, until you get honest with your(our)self. The "world" will never get honest, only individuals within it do.

 

 

We're all created equal. How in this crazy world can porn stars (Kardashians) get so much respect? If a bunch of average Joe's were given the elite resources to change the world, would they change it for the better, or would the cycle of greed just continue again? This world doesn't make sense but I'm at a stage I'm trying not to take it seriously. Icke says to listen to your gut. My guts telling me this place is just wrong for anyone with an ounce of humanity. 

[Nuckles]

No, its not on the rise. It is nothing new as even a cursory review of history will show. Human nature really hasnt changed.

[Nuckles]

On 8/13/2022 at 7:04 PM, Captainlove said:

Dishonesty has been around for ever. It could be getting worse yes. This is what happens when the law is to weak to act. And people are no longer taut respect. You can thank the lefty wankers for that.

It isnt getting worse; it is as it ever has been. Humans, when it comes down to it, are not very nice creatures at all. 

[Truthblast]

7 hours ago, Nuckles said:

It isnt getting worse; it is as it ever has been. Humans, when it comes down to it, are not very nice creatures at all. 

 

Idealists vs pragmatists essentially.

 

The latter is in oversupply.

[Mr H]

On 12/25/2022 at 3:19 AM, Nuckles said:

It isnt getting worse; it is as it ever has been. Humans, when it comes down to it, are not very nice creatures at all. 

We're basically chimpanzees dressed in clothes. And chimpanzees are brutal! 

 

I think it is getting worse. Because we live in a top down society and the folks at the top are telling bigger lies by the day and they get disseminated to more people before because of social media, internet and TV.

[Campion]

Dishonesty is getting worse because society is breaking down. When you have small close-knit communities, people know and help each other and the local neighbourhood becomes an extension of the extended family. That's basically how we evolved as small groups of hunter gatherers, tribal groups and villages. 

 

Along comes cities, large-scale civilisations and empires, then industrialisation and what you get is people living together who don't know each other, movement and migration with the tribal bonds breaking down, and in response people need law and order so call for more and more government to keep the lid on human greed and selfishness. 

 

That creates opportunities for those who want to dominate the govt justice system, military and commerce. And incentives for increasing the alienation of the masses, mixing up communities with multiculturalism to prevent the reappearance of stable self-governing society. If we follow the money and power, we can see who benefits from increasing dishonesty. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Campion

[Stuart dorrans]

On 12/27/2022 at 11:58 AM, Campion said:

Dishonesty is getting worse because society is breaking down. When you have small close-knit communities, people know and help each other and the local neighbourhood becomes an extension of the extended family. That's basically how we evolved as small groups of hunter gatherers, tribal groups and villages. 

 

Along comes cities, large-scale civilisations and empires, then industrialisation and what you get is people living together who don't know each other, movement and migration with the tribal bonds breaking down, and in response people need law and order so call for more and more government to keep the lid on human greed and selfishness. 

 

That creates opportunities for those who want to dominate the govt justice system, military and commerce. And incentives for increasing the alienation of the masses, mixing up communities with multiculturalism to prevent the reappearance of stable self-governing society. If we follow the money and power, we can see who benefits from increasing dishonesty. 

There is a virus that is infecting us, and it ain't COVID. It's the same virus that's been affecting us for centuries. We keep expelling it, but everytime it is expelled it comes back stronger and more determined than ever. We're not free and we never have been. History has shown us multiculturalism poisons society. We are tribal by nature. Multiculturalism sounds like utopia on paper, but the reality of it is dystopian. Got to be careful with names on here. Free speech is dead.

[DaleP]

Yes it is on the rise including shoplifting.

It doesn't matter if this world is real or not. There is a law and it will comeback to take everything they took from people.

You only have to study those that 'made it big' only to find they were all taken away by fire/arson or being exposed and thrown into jail etc.

 

As for shoplifting, people will just walk out with products but staff are not going to chase either.

As for police..... forget it. They are on the criminals' side as you know.

Edited December 29, 2022 by DaleP

[DaleP]

18 minutes ago, Stuart dorrans said:

There is a virus that is infecting us, and it ain't COVID. It's the same virus that's been affecting us for centuries. We keep expelling it, but everytime it is expelled it comes back stronger and more determined than ever. We're not free and we never have been. History has shown us multiculturalism poisons society. We are tribal by nature. Multiculturalism sounds like utopia on paper, but the reality of it is dystopian. Got to be careful with names on here. Free speech is dead.

 

As long as you haven't got the Covid, that's all it matters, doesn't it?

You can't tell fuck all to other minions what to do, what not to do.

[DaleP]

On 12/27/2022 at 11:58 AM, Campion said:

Dishonesty is getting worse because society is breaking down.

 

As it happens 2023 will be the year of destruction before it can begin to rebuild which will be the following year.

[Campion]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

As it happens 2023 will be the year of destruction before it can begin to rebuild which will be the following year.

 

I'm out of likes but what should we look out for?  And how to rebuild in a good way rather than in the Illuminati plan? 

[DaleP]

If you don't like this society, hell is not for you. I wouldn't complain about it as that will only keep you here and your vibration low.

Accept what it is and make it out. Your only concern should be how you can leave here and not come back. Get it right this time. You've only got one chance which is when you die.

 

15 minutes ago, Campion said:

I'm out of likes but what should we look out for?  And how to rebuild in a good way rather than in the Illuminati plan? 

Become rich, most of the stuff sheeps are complaining about would not matter.

Firstly, you won't pay tax lawfully. Learn from the rich, how they are doing.

While money is not be all end all, it would make your life smooth.

But to do this, your mind set needs to know what's out there.

Hence me telling you learn from the rich.

I'd say occult knowledge is needed to manipulate energy and events and know how to create 'miracles'

For example, why do you think when some rich people go on a holiday e.g. private resort, they expose their private while sunbathing?

If you know some occult knowledge you can probably guess why that is. Why do you think rich brushes their teeth or have wash five times a day?

yeah it's all non-sensical to you but there are good reasons why. You won't find these info in a book, at least I haven't found a book which has these kind of info.

 

This is only the beginning folks. They will tighten noose.

All the best.

 

I posted here.

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by DaleP

[JCP]

3 hours ago, Stuart dorrans said:

There is a virus that is infecting us, and it ain't COVID. It's the same virus that's been affecting us for centuries. We keep expelling it, but everytime it is expelled it comes back stronger and more determined than ever. We're not free and we never have been. History has shown us multiculturalism poisons society. We are tribal by nature. Multiculturalism sounds like utopia on paper, but the reality of it is dystopian. Got to be careful with names on here. Free speech is dead.

 

I do agree that there is a virus infecting us that isn't COVID ............ a mind and soul virus called Wetiko by American Indians.

 

https://www.innertraditions.com/blog/wetiko-in-a-nutshell

 

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Wetiko is a cannibalizing force driven by insatiable greed, appetite without satisfaction, consumption as an end in itself, and war for its own sake, against other tribes, species, and nature, and even against the individual’s own humanity. It is a disease of the soul, and being a disease of the soul, we all potentially have wetiko, as it pervades and “in-forms” the underlying field of consciousness. Any one of us at any moment can fall into our unconscious and unwittingly become an instrument for the evil of wetiko to act itself out through us and incarnate in our world. If we see someone who seems to be taken over by wetiko and we think they have the disease and we don’t, in seeing them as separate we have fallen under the spell of the virus ourselves.

 

Wetiko induces in us a proclivity to see the source of our own pathology outside of ourselves—existing in “the other.” Wetiko feeds off of polarization and fear—and terror—of “the other.” Seeing the world through a wetiko-inspired lens of separation/otherness enlivens what Jung calls “the God of Terror who dwells in the human soul,” and simultaneously plays itself out both within our soul and in the world at large. Wetiko subversively turns our “genius” for reality-creation against us in such a way that we become bewitched by the projective tendencies of our own mind.

 

Falling under wetiko’s spell, we become entranced by our own intrinsic gifts and talents for dreaming up our world in a way that not only doesn’t serve us, but rather is put at the service of wetiko (whose agenda is contrary to our own). Our creativity then boomerangs against us such that we hypnotize ourselves with our creative genius, which cripples our evolutionary potential. To the extent we are unconsciously possessed by the spirit of wetiko, it is as if a psychic tapeworm or parasite has taken over our brain and tricked us, its host, into thinking we are feeding and empowering ourselves while we are actually nourishing the parasite (a process which will ultimately kill its host—us).

 

In wetiko disease, something that is not us surreptitiously, beneath our conscious awareness, takes the place of and plays the role of who we actually are. Shape-shifting so as to cloak itself in our form, this mercurial predator gets under our skin and “puts us on” as a disguise. Miming ourselves, we become a copy, a false duplicate of our true selves. We are then truly playing out a real version of the imposter syndrome.

 

 

What I disagree with is that multiculturalism poisons society, because I believe in the "oneness" of all humans ....... In Lak’ech Ala K’in - I am another yourself.

Your comment about multiculturalism is divisive, polarizing, and is laden with wetiko as described in the bold and italicized text above.

What is needed today is unity ....... not separation. Keeping us divided is the goal of TPTB. Our unity is their fear.

[Stuart dorrans]

7 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

I do agree that there is a virus infecting us that isn't COVID ............ a mind and soul virus called Wetiko by American Indians.

 

https://www.innertraditions.com/blog/wetiko-in-a-nutshell

 

 

What I disagree with is that multiculturalism poisons society, because I believe in the "oneness" of all humans ....... In Lak’ech Ala K’in - I am another yourself.

Your comment about multiculturalism is divisive, polarizing, and is laden with wetiko as described in the bold and italicized text above.

What is needed today is unity ....... not separation. Keeping us divided is the goal of TPTB. Our unity is their fear.

Would you like to explain wetiko to the 1000s of victims of these grooming gangs? Put yourself in the position of mothers and fathers who have lost their precious children to rape and murder gangs from a culture that is foreign. I agree we need unity, but history has shown time and time again it does not work. The native Americans were brutal with other tribes. They weren't all peace and love. 

[JCP]

4 minutes ago, Stuart dorrans said:

Would you like to explain wetiko to the 1000s of victims of these grooming gangs? Put yourself in the position of mothers and fathers who have lost their precious children to rape and murder gangs from a culture that is foreign. I agree we need unity, but history has shown time and time again it does not work. The native Americans were brutal with other tribes. They weren't all peace and love. 

 

Are you talking about the murder gangs that are killing children by injecting them with poison ........... governments? Maybe the pedophiles embedded in government that pass laws that promote the sexual grooming of children thru gender confusion; or perhaps the ones' that fabricate wars and sacrifice our children as cannon fodder? I know there are child predators out there that operate as individuals, but not as gangs. The 1000's of victims they produce pale in number compared to the many millions of victims produced by governments. Where did you get the idea of murder gangs anyway .......... the MSM? TV?

 

I find it odd that you advocate for unity when you say it doesn't work. Isn't that a contradiction? If in your eyes it doesn't work, why would we need it? I suppose it all depends on who you identify as "we".

 

As far as native Americans, they are human too and are just as susceptible to the mind virus as anyone. At least they recognized it and gave it a name!

[Campion]

2 hours ago, JCP said:

What I disagree with is that multiculturalism poisons society, because I believe in the "oneness" of all humans ....... In Lak’ech Ala K’in - I am another yourself.

Your comment about multiculturalism is divisive, polarizing, and is laden with wetiko as described in the bold and italicized text above.

What is needed today is unity ....... not separation. Keeping us divided is the goal of TPTB. Our unity is their fear.

 

The reason why the multiculturalism happening here is poison is because it's involuntary and imposed on the ordinary people who never asked for it. The type of absolute unity you're describing is appropriate to a very rare type of person who is highly spiritually enlightened and has no cultural or lifestyle preferences. Even the Buddha and Jesus weren't that advanced because they had bias against women.  

 

Meanwhile back here in the regular world there is a lot of competition and the type of unity which most of us focus on is building our families, local communities and national society. Societies should be able to choose whether they want their communities to be based on a common ethnicity and ancestry, or something multicultural. I can say that in my city, while there is a certain amount of mixing happening between different racial groups, there is mostly a type of voluntary segregation between white, asian and black areas. I don't see us moving in the direction of national unity, rather we are creating a collection of power bases, each claiming that the society is biased and persecuting them and seeking to change things in their favour. It's called in-group preference and when the whites become a minority later this century, the other groups will increasingly assert their dominance as happens in everywhere else. The neo-marxist woke crowd are simply another identity group trying to shape society in their image. 

Edited December 29, 2022 by Campion

[JCP]

32 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

The reason why the multiculturalism happening here is poison is because it's involuntary and imposed on the ordinary people who never asked for it. The type of absolute unity you're describing is appropriate to a very rare type of person who is highly spiritually enlightened and has no cultural or lifestyle preferences. Even the Buddha and Jesus weren't that advanced because they had bias against women.  

 

Meanwhile back here in the regular world there is a lot of competition and the type of unity which most of us focus on is building our families, local communities and national society. Societies should be able to choose whether they want their communities to be based on a common ethnicity and ancestry, or something multicultural. I can say that in my city, while there is a certain amount of mixing happening between different racial groups, there is mostly a type of voluntary segregation between white, asian and black areas. I don't see us moving in the direction of national unity, rather we are creating a collection of power bases, each claiming that the society is biased and persecuting them and seeking to change things in their favour. It's called in-group preference and when the whites become a minority later this century, the other groups will increasingly assert their dominance as happens in everywhere else. The neo-marxist woke crowd are simply another identity group trying to shape society in their image. 

 

How much division can we have? Maybe we shouldn't just break it down into race and culture, but even hair color, weight, height, shoe size, eye color, etc. We could have a bunch of small divided communities with different requirements and restrictions with everyone being the same. Does your community vote whether someone is allowed to move in or not? No? Then how much say does it have now, as to who is allowed to live there? The way I see it, I'm advocating for freedom for all, and you're advocating for ...................................... well, something else. We'll see how it plays out, but I hope you lose.

 

Maybe in the future all races will be deconstructed to the point that there is only one race ........ The Human Race.

 

 

Tolerance of intolerance enables oppression. — DaShanne Stokes

[Pwr2us1]

On 8/8/2022 at 5:32 PM, novymir said:

 

 

The dream world you believe to be real never was and never will be "real". How can "the world" then, be "honest", until it lets go of the lies that contradict Reality? Of course then, the "world" dissolves back into the nothingness from which it came. And that's what everyone is afraid of....especially the so-called "elite". They like the game of superior-inferior/ predator/prey. You/we are marked for death, and replay, until you get honest with your(our)self. The "world" will never get honest, only individuals within it do.

 

 

There is spirit there is karma, love brings peace, healing, right thinking. There is evil selfishness,me me me and wrong thinking that lead to sickness and death, anyone saying otherwise is a dead troll already.Hate doesnt fix hate as when you get what you want through hate just because you feel opressed then your wants never end. Evil puts out its ideas we Dont have to accept them but many cant see through it.

[Stuart dorrans]

11 hours ago, JCP said:

 

How much division can we have? Maybe we shouldn't just break it down into race and culture, but even hair color, weight, height, shoe size, eye color, etc. We could have a bunch of small divided communities with different requirements and restrictions with everyone being the same. Does your community vote whether someone is allowed to move in or not? No? Then how much say does it have now, as to who is allowed to live there? The way I see it, I'm advocating for freedom for all, and you're advocating for ...................................... well, something else. We'll see how it plays out, but I hope you lose.

 

Maybe in the future all races will be deconstructed to the point that there is only one race ........ The Human Race.

 

 

Tolerance of intolerance enables oppression. — DaShanne Stokes

My husband works with Muslims. They say the gangs are coming here because do you know what would happen to them in their own countries if they were raping and murdering children and teenagers? The death penalty! The courts are lenient with them in Europe because they say rape is in their culture and they don't know the rules here. The whole thing is set up by the establishment to cause chaos. Rape isn't in their culture, but they are doing it here because they can get away with it. This isn't from me, this is from Muslims themselves. They know what's going on.

[Campion]

11 hours ago, JCP said:

How much division can we have? Maybe we shouldn't just break it down into race and culture, but even hair color, weight, height, shoe size, eye color, etc. We could have a bunch of small divided communities with different requirements and restrictions with everyone being the same. Does your community vote whether someone is allowed to move in or not? No? Then how much say does it have now, as to who is allowed to live there? The way I see it, I'm advocating for freedom for all, and you're advocating for ...................................... well, something else. We'll see how it plays out, but I hope you lose.

 

Maybe in the future all races will be deconstructed to the point that there is only one race ........ The Human Race.

 

I think we're both advocating freedom from elitist social engineering agendas but coming at it in different ways. I don't see this as a black & white choice between total anarchy (freedom for all) vs gated communities filtering out anyone they deem undesirable. In any case, freedom is a dream while we have such great inequality as your ability to exercise your freedom is proportional to your wealth & power. 

 

At the least I'd say that national sovereignty is necessary and proper democracy such as referendums and proportional voting to get closer to what people want. As a bonus I'd like decentralisation so that different regions or counties can have a degree of autonomy and variation. Call me a nationalist if you like. 

 

What is freedom anyway?  In regular conversation it usually means individual freedom but I'm suggesting that freedom can be seen as a spectrum where individual freedom  needs balancing with collective freedom. So we need the mechanisms to find out what the collective will is, and protect that from powerful individuals thwarting it. Conversely we need collective action to protect individual liberty. We need well functioning political and justice systems.  

 

If you want freedom for all and can find a group of like-minded people to set up a colony like that somewhere I've no objections to it if you can find some land with co-operative neighbours. Or buy your own island.  However I know I'm whistling in the wind with most of what I say in this forum because the momentum is all in the opposite direction and censorship is so strict now that people who take action get cancelled pretty quickly.