Reincarnation is a Trap

[BornFreeNowAgain]

11 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

We choose our belief patterns, and sometimes when we are more open, the dark ones edge in.... Choose to believe something better, lighter maybe. You sound like you are giving into the fear. When we are bombarded with fear daily, the best way out is to ignore it and try to find others who can lift us via our commonality.

Ultimately, it does not matter what this planet is or isn't, we are in transition. Transition is often a painful process with many ups and downs.

It's possible you need a new purpose for the next phase...

I agree that 'entities' can easily come in, but I do regular 'revoking' of such energies. I think @Morpheusabove laid out exactly what my thinking is on this 'prison' or reincarnation trap. I agree that I am certainly in transition, from one view of 'the world' to another. I am not sure I agree on the fear, I feel it is the opposite; facing the fear. All this love and light is just 'another wing' on the same bird, it is all part of the trap and I would rather face that than pretend it is not so. 

[DaleP]

20 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Interesting topic.

 

I suppose a starting point is what happens after death?

 

I think the best place to start would be NDE (near death experience) and what those people say happens. 

 

I've read varying accounts that all lead to the one thing the majority say happens and that is the light! They all see it. 

 

So in most if not all NDE's talk about the light and what happens when they are proceeding to it. Some speak of unfathomable euphoria, overwhelming feelings over love (or it's perception of love) and even visitations whether from former family members or loved ones of some description. Some say they've seen beings when they've been difficult and don't want to go to through the light like they're being told to do. They come and say anything to convince you to pass through.

 

I suppose the film Soul is a good analogy here as the main protagonist heads towards the light on a conveyor belt with other souls. One of the characters says to the main character that they recycle souls. Interesting take don't ya think. 

 

So thinking more about that, is there a further question here? I believe so, is the light a trap? I would propose yes, if this is a certainty of our reality, that the light is possibly a trap to further incarnation. However, I don't believe it's fuck all to do with karma, learning life lessons or anything else because what's interesting in some NDE accounts is when someone refuses to go into the light, they're visited by beings or former family members come to convince you to go into the light. This would suggest it can be avoided. I've come across an account by a guy just recently, but what was interesting about this guy was his refusal to go into the light and what happened to him subsequently.

 

He said he was visited by loved ones convincing him to go in, he was shown his life and the mistakes he made - critiqued his life - and when he still refused, beings turned up getting nasty and telling him he must go through.

 

So, another question arises, what is the light? Is it sentient? Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial? It could be any of those things and when we think of arcons and demiurges, then those questions start to make connections to those things and it opens up a crazy possibility that reincarnation is a trap and something is controlling it.

 

Whether that be arcons who convince you to go in and the demiurge is the light, thus recycling of souls. Or it's Lucifer morning star manipulating you to go through the light and reincarnate in this suffering hell hole until the lord saves you. Or it's aliens using a sophisticated AI program to reincarnate you back into their plantation, right here on earth, the matrix. 

 

Or, we are angel/light beings/everlasting consciousness having an experience, however, we've convinced ourselves to keep running through this matrix reality because we've forgotten who we really are and keep running the game in the hope of some better outcome. But we are more than we imagine and this is a dream, but we like the dream game so much we don't want to leave. Take ya pick or suggest something different......

 

However, beyond any of the NDE accounts I don't really think anyone can say with any degree of certainty what really happens until we actually die, we have no idea what we will encounter at that point. Anyone suggesting otherwise is full of shit.

 

I think key is the knowing upto a certain point.

Like this guy you mentioned who refused....he was able to do this because he knew he shouldn't have gone into the tunnel of light wherease most would be overwhelmed with 'love & peace' feeling that they would go in willingly or shall I say unknowingly.

 

Pythagoras apparently requested his disciple to play a monochord just before his moment of death.

Not a guitar..... a monochord. But he knew about aligning himself to the Creator....how the Universe work.

I think it's about knowing and yes there is a way out and the key is to understand geometry because shape, colour and numbers are a frozen frequency i.e. another representation form of frequency. It is said that if you understood the mystery of dodecahedron/universe, you will die immediately.

 

Others will master a rainbow body or know exactly when they will and or die at will. There have been cases. This is what I call mastery.

 

If we are enclosed in a dome, Van Allen bet, glass or electromagnetic, and cannot get out, we just need to be like physical aliens who can transport themselves from one place to another instantaneously. If you practise this while you have the body, then of course it will not be something difficult for you to do when you lose your body.

You can do this while you are conscious. You don't have to be in lengthy meditation or feeling euphoric or anything mystical.

This is why it is good to practise things like object materialization, spoon bending, walking through a wall, astral projection etc....

Go into someone's room while you are in your own kitchen and knock off an object for a laugh.

Yogis were able to fly and do what is considered magical things though many think that it's a myth. If your mind is limited to what you have been told, what is supposed to be norm then you will never be able to achieve what seems like impossible. It is all in the mind after all. Listen to the Ancients.

 

 

 

 

 

[Origin]

20 hours ago, Morpheus said:

 

 

So, another question arises, what is the light? Is it sentient? Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial? It could be any of those things and when we think of arcons and demiurges, then those questions start to make connections to those things and it opens up a crazy possibility that reincarnation is a trap and something is controlling it.

 

However, beyond any of the NDE accounts I don't really think anyone can say with any degree of certainty what really happens until we actually die, we have no idea what we will encounter at that point. Anyone suggesting otherwise is full of shit.

So, another question arises, what is the light? Is it sentient? Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial?

 

what is the light?

It must be something that is far beyond the current understanding horizon of the 21st century ;) It is a process to put something where it belongs. The so-called light is a part of something unexpected, darkness is the same as light, there is no void there. The dimensions are unimaginable for Humans.

 

Is it sentient?

That what has been causing it is.

 

Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial?

AI is a human construct and that is bound to primitive three dimensional spatially restricted parameters. But it is something higher dimensional and operates on a completely different order of magnitude. Something extraterrestrial cannot exist since earth inevitably belongs to the entirety.

 

However, beyond any of the NDE accounts I don't really think anyone can say with any degree of certainty what really happens until we actually die, we have no idea what we will encounter at that point. 

NDE's task is to convey certain details which may have to be understood by certain Experiencer. The only general thing is that there will actually be something waiting for us. And that is the only thing NDEs are not wrong about.

 

 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

the light you refer to. have you ever seen it?

 

if you did, you wouldnt say its not a light within your own self

 

the light is the natural brillance of your mind. pure, bright. its not a material light. it bright brighter then a thousand sun. it redefine the word bright.

 

now, who are the lizards i have seen so often? I have a strong feeling they are higher beings doing their job (which seem to be related to redirect us to our new life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[Origin]

Am I addressed?

[Morpheus]

1 hour ago, Origin said:

So, another question arises, what is the light? Is it sentient? Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial?

 

what is the light?

It must be something that is far beyond the current understanding horizon of the 21st century ;) It is a process to put something where it belongs. The so-called light is a part of something unexpected, darkness is the same as light, there is no void there. The dimensions are unimaginable for Humans.

 

Is it sentient?

That what has been causing it is.

 

Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial?

AI is a human construct and that is bound to primitive three dimensional spatially restricted parameters. But it is something higher dimensional and operates on a completely different order of magnitude. Something extraterrestrial cannot exist since earth inevitably belongs to the entirety.

 

However, beyond any of the NDE accounts I don't really think anyone can say with any degree of certainty what really happens until we actually die, we have no idea what we will encounter at that point. 

NDE's task is to convey certain details which may have to be understood by certain Experiencer. The only general thing is that there will actually be something waiting for us. And that is the only thing NDEs are not wrong about.

 

 

I agree with the last part of this post, but the rest is up grabs and it is why I have laid out several scenarios that no doubt people will relate to. I equally suggested there were potentially more, what is or isn't waiting for us is a mystery thus far. I suppose we will find out at some point, but probably never fully understanding what we meet per se. 

Edited June 13, 2022 by Morpheus

[Origin]

5 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

I agree with the last part of this post, but the rest is up grabs and it is why I have laid out several scenarios that no doubt people will relate to. I equally suggested there were potentially more, what is or isn't waiting for us is a mystery thus far. I suppose we will find out at some point, but probably never fully understanding what we meet per se. 

There are human beliefs that everybody will see it as what will take them further. It does not matter if some will experience more or already have. Time doesn't matter. How much of it is comprehensible I don't make any statement about that. Because it could be seen as unfair by some. But never will there be someone who will know everything in his lifetime, then you cannot exist here, it is unbearable.

[Morpheus]

37 minutes ago, Origin said:

There are human beliefs that everybody will see it as what will take them further. It does not matter if some will experience more or already have. 

Yeah, I think we agree here and I alluded to as much in my previous post about this not being karmic, or that your actions make the following experience any more or less excruciating. 

 

38 minutes ago, Origin said:

How much of it is comprehensible I don't make any statement about that.

And neither should you, because let's face it, you don't know and neither does anyone. It's pure conjecture at this point. 

39 minutes ago, Origin said:

Time doesn't matter.

It certainly doesn't have a bearing on what happens to you. Time is relative in this existence. 

40 minutes ago, Origin said:

But never will there be someone who will know everything in his lifetime, then you cannot exist here

Maybe, you could be right. However, it could equally be just the opposite. I kind of feel there's a choice at some point in the line. 

 

41 minutes ago, Origin said:

it is unbearable

It is, it's insufferable at times. 

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Yeah, I think we agree here and I alluded to as much in my previous post about this not being karmic, or that your actions make the following experience any more or less excruciating. 

 

And neither should you, because let's face it, you don't know and neither does anyone. It's pure conjecture at this point. 

It certainly doesn't have a bearing on what happens to you. Time is relative in this existence. 

Maybe, you could be right. However, it could equally be just the opposite. I kind of feel there's a choice at some point in the line. 

 

It is, it's insufferable at times. 

And neither should you, because let's face it, you don't know and neither does anyone. It's pure conjecture at this point. 

I don't do that. It is not possible to go beyond what has been predetermined. No one can pass on something that has not been mirrored in others. Something knows very well what I can grasp about it. And I know that it knows. Measured in which dimension it thinks I know nothing. 

 

It is, it's insufferable at times

There are more levels of intensification. Everything has a price..

[Morpheus]

38 minutes ago, Origin said:

Everything has a price..

So what has a price and who sets it? 

[Origin]

19 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

So what has a price and who sets it? 

You will not be able to share it with anyone. You will have to look all around you and admit to yourself that nothing can be changed. Even at the preliminary stages of knowing. Encountering it will change something in you. It transmits something and will leave traces in you. And there's no turning back. No one will believe you in the end. That is the price you have to pay.

[Morpheus]

25 minutes ago, Origin said:

You will not be able to share it with anyone. You will have to look all around you and admit to yourself that nothing can be changed. Even at the preliminary stages of knowing. Encountering it will change something in you. It transmits something and will leave traces in you. And there's no turning back. No one will believe you in the end. That is the price you have to pay.

What makes you believe life is predetermined? 

[Origin]

4 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

What makes you believe life is predetermined? 

Reality itself is predetermined. That is what you can experience, what will imprint you and that is what everyone has to follow. Life is more complicated than is currently assumed. If we actually represent life at all. You can arrange your existence here the way you want. Free Will and you will take responsibility for it. Nothing will remain undetected here.

[KingKitty]

If reincarnation does exist, then it suggest forward movement along our perceived dimension’s timeline. All the accounts of reincarnation I’ve heard/read recall past life experiences from the past not the future. I’ve never heard of a person claiming to have been “here before” from a future date. The majority of those accounts I’ve heard seem to be between one or two generation from the past. 

 

Along with suggesting humans are moving forward in time, it also seems to suggest that we remain in this perceived dimension and on this particular timeline…unless you wish to include a few Mandela Effects. If this is all just some “halo-deck”, it must continue to generate the illusion of forward movement in time by changing, not only our environment, but our cultures, our ways of living, etc.

 

That would suggest this is some sort of “simulated reality”.  Because, the fact is, not much really changes. As we see with our current world situations. These aren’t really new events, new political situations, new sexual morays, they are just painted differently. They appear to be new, especially to those ignorant about even basic world  history. 

 

This might suggest that our perceived reality is on a loop. The costumes and the stages change over and over again, but it’s the same old plays, the same old song and dance. But who are we dancing for? It would seem they would be the ones holding the velvet ropes at the entrance of the great, white light. And why do they want us to keep dancing for them? What are their needs and how do we serve them? Are they the one’s who mutated us from our natural, animal state of existence? And, if the best they can do is have us repeat the same basic events over and over, that would suggest they have a limit intelligence. I mean, if a mutated ape like me can see a pattern in human history that seems to repeat it's self over again, well, you see where I'm going with this...

 

If reincarnation is indeed a thing, it can not be for the benefit of the human. If it were for our benefit, we would retain our previous knowledge. Just the things I could tell my twenty year old self would have greatly benefited my life. Can you imagine what the knowledge from multiple life experiences could do for one's self? To me, it seems like those holding that velvet rope at the great white light want us as ignorant as our governments do, right here on planet Earth. Seems like this mutated ape noticed yet another pattern.

[KingKitty]

...and another thing...

 

Let us not overlook the possibility that those who've "returned" by choosing to go into the light and repeat this pattern on our slave planet, might just be like the folks here with us now who thought getting an experimental "vaccine" was a good idea. There could be a great many more souls that just know the right thing to do when the time comes. They choose not to return, so we don't have their accounts.

 

If I retain at least the same level of intelligence and common sense I have now in this perceived dimension when I pass on to the other side, I imagine I'll do alright. 

Edited June 13, 2022 by KingKitty

[JCP]

 

UPDATE: DO NOT Go Into The White Light! | It's a Reincarnation Soul Trap - posted Feb 2022

 

 

Original DO NOT Go Into The White Light! | It's a Reincarnation Soul Trap - posted 4 yrs ago:

 

 

[DaleP]

There is light that you see with your physical eyes and there is light you see with your third eye.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

10 hours ago, KingKitty said:

If reincarnation does exist, then it suggest forward movement along our perceived dimension’s timeline. All the accounts of reincarnation I’ve heard/read recall past life experiences from the past not the future. I’ve never heard of a person claiming to have been “here before” from a future date. The majority of those accounts I’ve heard seem to be between one or two generation from the past. 

 

Along with suggesting humans are moving forward in time, it also seems to suggest that we remain in this perceived dimension and on this particular timeline…unless you wish to include a few Mandela Effects. If this is all just some “halo-deck”, it must continue to generate the illusion of forward movement in time by changing, not only our environment, but our cultures, our ways of living, etc.

 

That would suggest this is some sort of “simulated reality”.  Because, the fact is, not much really changes. As we see with our current world situations. These aren’t really new events, new political situations, new sexual morays, they are just painted differently. They appear to be new, especially to those ignorant about even basic world  history. 

 

This might suggest that our perceived reality is on a loop. The costumes and the stages change over and over again, but it’s the same old plays, the same old song and dance. But who are we dancing for? It would seem they would be the ones holding the velvet ropes at the entrance of the great, white light. And why do they want us to keep dancing for them? What are their needs and how do we serve them? Are they the one’s who mutated us from our natural, animal state of existence? And, if the best they can do is have us repeat the same basic events over and over, that would suggest they have a limit intelligence. I mean, if a mutated ape like me can see a pattern in human history that seems to repeat it's self over again, well, you see where I'm going with this...

 

If reincarnation is indeed a thing, it can not be for the benefit of the human. If it were for our benefit, we would retain our previous knowledge. Just the things I could tell my twenty year old self would have greatly benefited my life. Can you imagine what the knowledge from multiple life experiences could do for one's self? To me, it seems like those holding that velvet rope at the great white light want us as ignorant as our governments do, right here on planet Earth. Seems like this mutated ape noticed yet another pattern.

Brilliant post! This is where I am 'at' in my thinking these days. Back in 2013 I 'intuitively' felt we are in computer simulation, and now I am 'intuitively' sensing that we are in a reincarnation prison. The repeating 'patterns' we see are everywhere in our current reality. How many times do we see 'those in power' use the same script, and why? Because it works for them and yes, they have limited intelligence. What they are experts at is manipulation of the human. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

On 6/12/2022 at 4:45 PM, JCP said:

 

 

I'll bet that's it. I think all of us go thru this in some form or another at our own pace. It's so much dire information at one time, that it overloads your thinking and short circuits the neural connections in the brain. In other words - You're thinking too much. The answer is to stop thinking. Empty your mind completely. Look inside yourself instead of outward. You can always come back to the issues at a later time and deal with them one at a time. Meditation does that for me. I don't know if you practice it or want to, but I'll post a link to the video that helped me the most. Once you get to the state where you become more energy and less matter ..... you'll remember who you really are. It will come. Relax ...... It's just a ride.

 

Spiritual Reality Power Of Meditation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpCjZEikUGs

 

 

Sorry I forgot to reply to this. Thanks for that. Yes, I do meditate but you will not be surprised to hear that I have not been doing too much of that recently. You can always tell when you stop meditating that you become ungrounded and very much in the 'mental body'. I have been meditating again the past few days. I am surprised how quickly my thinking has changed on these issues though, but as we know, we are being 'tested' more and more as time speeds up. Thanks again mate. 

[DaleP]

This could hold a key to exit.

 

How to Escape the Confines of Time and Space According to the CIA

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9qag/how-to-escape-the-confines-of-time-and-space-according-to-the-cia

[DaleP]

The whole Focus are right up our street.

Do this!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnThV4kVc6r9RrVByICEf5g/videos

[XelNaga]

On 6/11/2022 at 1:05 AM, DaleP said:

 

You haven't answered my question.

So you think WHATEVER is the way to go then?

Perhaps total detachment, I believe that is the core teaching of Buddhism.

[XelNaga]

On 6/11/2022 at 2:33 PM, Gremmels said:

that feeling is inner knowing.

 

karmic debt, karma etc are all lies to keep us in a never ending cycle of life and death. 
 

I think that the term "karma" has been purposely misinterpreted in the west.

 

As far as I understand, in Yogic traditions, karma means action, it means that your life is your own doing. Your "fate/destiny" is your own choice.

[XelNaga]

Also, from reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead, I got the impression that they are doing everything they are doing throughout their life with a single purpose: to prepare oneself for the moment of death, so that one will retain his awareness in that moment so as not to make a mistake, and to go to a proper place.

 

Perhaps they are trying to avoid that infamous tunnel of light?

Edited June 17, 2022 by XelNaga

[XelNaga]

On 6/13/2022 at 9:45 PM, KingKitty said:

...and another thing...

 

Let us not overlook the possibility that those who've "returned" by choosing to go into the light and repeat this pattern on our slave planet, might just be like the folks here with us now who thought getting an experimental "vaccine" was a good idea. There could be a great many more souls that just know the right thing to do when the time comes. They choose not to return, so we don't have their accounts.

 

If I retain at least the same level of intelligence and common sense I have now in this perceived dimension when I pass on to the other side, I imagine I'll do alright. 

Out of likes.

 

Just wanted to say, amazing post, thanks..