Reincarnation is a Trap

[Tinfoil Hat]

On 3/24/2022 at 9:10 PM, Puzzle said:

Why do I think it should be celebrated........

 

I had an operation few years ago now, I don't recall anything whilst I was in my induced sleep state but when I came round, I was ecstatic for a minute before I realised where I was. At that point my heart sunk like a stone, the disappointment was so strong. It's never left me. I don't remember anything but I know I didn't want to come back.

 

 

I have experienced what you're describing. When I was in my teens I went through a phase of fainting (probably a temporary hormonal imbalance, but it was never looked into so nothing was diagnosed).

 

I bashed my head on the coffee table whe passing out once, and once I was alone in my bedroom - once was in the kitchen & I got into trouble because I hit my little sister on the way down & hurt her. That was ridiculous because I'd hit the deck so hard that some of my eye-lashes came out and were lying on the floor. But I don't think my parents believed I wasn't just messing about because I might only be out for a few seconds. The point is, to me, time didn't mean anything, and all I was aware of as consciousness settled in was a deep sense of disappointment at being back 'here' and leaving something more fulfilling behind. I could never remember any details of what was going through my mind while out, but this existence was dull and grey by comparison.

[RobinJ]

I feel we each have a mission on this dimensional plain to learn as much as we can and to overcome. Our life lessons are the reason we are here. Its like a mission, if we complete it and discover our spirituality and powers, focus our consciousness outward then we may get to move on as a free soul. However, if we dont learn/ change use love, compassion etc as our guide the we get to continue on here until we learn it. 

 

[DaleP]

7 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

you cannot bullshit your own mind

 

if theres craving in your mind at the time of death, you will be reborn

 

reincarnation is the result of the illusions in your mind. 

 

 

 

You haven't answered my question.

So you think WHATEVER is the way to go then?

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, KingKitty said:

Sometimes, I get a real bad feeling that my life is just future me playing virtual reality game. In the future, life is so perfect and beautiful, that people escape to a virtual reality world were everything's a struggle and the world around them appears to be insane. Then, when I die, it's really just me "unplugging" from the game.

 

Did I mention "catnip" is legal where I live?

 

Why is it such a big deal? Yes, you can buy catnip in a shop.

 

Vritual reality.

[Youknownothingbutyou]

54 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

You haven't answered my question.

So you think WHATEVER is the way to go then?

im not sure i understand the question

 

do you ask, when you die, what attitude to have to have a good after life?

 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

3 hours ago, RobinJ said:

I feel we each have a mission on this dimensional plain to learn as much as we can and to overcome. Our life lessons are the reason we are here. Its like a mission, if we complete it and discover our spirituality and powers, focus our consciousness outward then we may get to move on as a free soul. However, if we dont learn/ change use love, compassion etc as our guide the we get to continue on here until we learn it. 

 

Only weeks ago I was thinking exactly the same things. But recently I have started to 'feel' that we are in a prison; one in which 'karma' is used to trap us in to endless 'soul lessons' and 'karmic debt'. Maybe outside of this 'Earthly realm' those 'missions' are real, but this 'realm' is controlled by unseen forces and they are not here to help us 'grow', 'learn' or 'evolve'. Maybe I have entered a 'personal crisis of confidence' but I don't think so. To me the 'Spiritual path' is just another 'net' to grab those people who broke free from the masses to co-opt them into just another distraction. 

[Gremmels]

10 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Only weeks ago I was thinking exactly the same things. But recently I have started to 'feel' that we are in a prison; one in which 'karma' is used to trap us in to endless 'soul lessons' and 'karmic debt'. Maybe outside of this 'Earthly realm' those 'missions' are real, but this 'realm' is controlled by unseen forces and they are not here to help us 'grow', 'learn' or 'evolve'. Maybe I have entered a 'personal crisis of confidence' but I don't think so. To me the 'Spiritual path' is just another 'net' to grab those people who broke free from the masses to co-opt them into just another distraction. 

that feeling is inner knowing.

 

karmic debt, karma etc are all lies to keep us in a never ending cycle of life and death. 
 

[DaleP]

15 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

im not sure i understand the question

 

do you ask, when you die, what attitude to have to have a good after life?

 

 

No, you said that wanting something will bring you back to this life and also not wanting to come back will also count as desire therefore you'd comeback.

Hence I asked if the attitude to have at the time of death is "I don't care"?

Edited June 11, 2022 by DaleP

[Bombadil]

On 5/28/2022 at 6:57 PM, DaleP said:

So N-man tells us that the key to escape from this recycling is to understand the mystery of dodecahedron.

 

There is a library which is of that secret organisation....somewhere probably in the UK or US in the underground rooms of a church with six doors.

It contains a book of history which the bible was based on and what actually happened followed by the future.

The library can only be accessed by those the name is written in the book and there are only 19 people in the world.

These people have been assigned a role from birth to spread the information in the book to the world. They weren't told about this till one day....a mysterious people approach them and give the person keys and address to go to.

The books are written in Hebrew, Arabic, some probably in English.

One of the books describe how Pyramids were constructed as well!

 

Going back to dodecahedron story.... some people have discovered the mystery and they died instantly.

So you crack the mystery and you'll die instantly, in another words, go to the next step which is what the death is about?

If you don't solve this puzzle, the world is structured in torus (you probably know this) and it repeasts/recycle every 3600 years.

 

So do you want to get out? Will you be able to solve the mystery? Will you go to another torus which is below us? If so, isn't that the satan's realm?

I have a clue for those who wants to follow this up.

Metatron, the great angel is beyond the time/space boundary but have access to both world.

Do you dare?

 

 

Where can I read more about this

[DaleP]

16 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Where can I read more about this

 

I doubt that there is anything written on the internet other than those chosen people spreading bits and pieces via SNS.

This was very exclusive, a personal experience talk.

Whether you believe it or not, for me at least, that many country uses people to spread information.....I mean there are those that spreads disinformation like GC__Q but there are others and this happens not just in the UK.

 

[Bombadil]

5 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

I doubt that there is anything written on the internet other than those chosen people spreading bits and pieces via SNS.

This was very exclusive, a personal experience talk.

Whether you believe it or not, for me at least, that many country uses people to spread information.....I mean there are those that spreads disinformation like GC__Q but there are others and this happens not just in the UK.

 

Fair enough. It sounds intriguing. Definitely would like to learn more

[BornFreeNowAgain]

12 hours ago, Gremmels said:

that feeling is inner knowing.

 

karmic debt, karma etc are all lies to keep us in a never ending cycle of life and death. 
 

I agree Gremmels, it certainly feels like 'knowing'. I will admit to feeling very lost right now. For years I had been on the 'Spiritual path', embracing lessons, embracing challenges as opportunities to grow, bringing 'light' in blah, blah, blah. I thought I 'knew' what this 'World' was about, thought I 'knew' why we as souls go on a soul 'journey'. Now it just feels like I know 'no-thing'. Maybe it is the understandable position of someone whose view of the 'World' has shattered, but at the moment it feels very destabilising and cosmically-nihilist right now. 

 

Obviously the moment of 'death' is what we must work towards and prepare for to try to break free. May I ask those who have come to this conclusion about 'reality' how they have integrated this in to their world? It feels like I now lack the coordinates to go on with the world. I would appreciate any insights anyone has on what this 'awareness' has left you with? 

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I agree Gremmels, it certainly feels like 'knowing'. I will admit to feeling very lost right now. For years I had been on the 'Spiritual path', embracing lessons, embracing challenges as opportunities to grow, bringing 'light' in blah, blah, blah. I thought I 'knew' what this 'World' was about, thought I 'knew' why we as souls go on a soul 'journey'. Now it just feels like I know 'no-thing'. Maybe it is the understandable position of someone whose view of the 'World' has shattered, but at the moment it feels very destabilising and cosmically-nihilist right now. 

 

Obviously the moment of 'death' is what we must work towards and prepare for to try to break free. May I ask those who have come to this conclusion about 'reality' how they have integrated this in to their world? It feels like I now lack the coordinates to go on with the world. I would appreciate any insights anyone has on what this 'awareness' has left you with? 

 

Why do you feel that you know no thing? Why are knowing about 'things' important anyway? I personally dont believe there is only one way out, or, even that all of us who are awake are due to be released at some magical point such as death or whatever. What do you mean by you 'cant go on with the world?"

To me, a spiritual awakening is of little use unless you figure out what your personal purpose is within it, otherwise, its all just information with no purpose or point. There is also a lot of new age bullshit around the 'spiritual' community. Much of it is disinformation IMHO. When you understand your purpose and work toward it, then it all becomes clear as to why you are awakened.

Likewise, an awakening that is just about the 'truth' of how this planet works is of little use unless you know how you fit within it for change or progression.

Over the last couple of years I have met many spiritual types, lots have had visions of the future, and none so far have matched. We each have our personal destiny, some of us will return to where we came, some will stay to continue humanity here in a better way. 

[JCP]

14 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I agree Gremmels, it certainly feels like 'knowing'. I will admit to feeling very lost right now. For years I had been on the 'Spiritual path', embracing lessons, embracing challenges as opportunities to grow, bringing 'light' in blah, blah, blah. I thought I 'knew' what this 'World' was about, thought I 'knew' why we as souls go on a soul 'journey'. Now it just feels like I know 'no-thing'. Maybe it is the understandable position of someone whose view of the 'World' has shattered, but at the moment it feels very destabilising and cosmically-nihilist right now. 

 

Obviously the moment of 'death' is what we must work towards and prepare for to try to break free. May I ask those who have come to this conclusion about 'reality' how they have integrated this in to their world? It feels like I now lack the coordinates to go on with the world. I would appreciate any insights anyone has on what this 'awareness' has left you with? 

 

I'm sure you've heard this before, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded -

 

 

Sometimes I feel like I don't fit in this world. I live by myself and I'm the black sheep of the family. I have few acquaintances to bounce recent events off of, but I try to keep my vibration level high with music, reading, meditating, tending feral cats, and beekeeping. Connecting with nature helps too. I also have some parrots, and if you were a fly on the wall when the dark clouds roll in, you might find me in the kitchen as I prepare their fruits and vegetables, with the music cranked and dancing with them. I refuse to let TPTB bring me down to their low vib level, even if I have to create an environment to keep me in tune. You have control over your state of mind. You are stronger than they are.

 

 

The main thing is to combat fear, because their is nothing to fear. As Bill Hicks says "It's just a ride", so do whatever works for you to keep your spirits high.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

48 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

 

Why do you feel that you know no thing? Why are knowing about 'things' important anyway? I personally dont believe there is only one way out, or, even that all of us who are awake are due to be released at some magical point such as death or whatever. What do you mean by you 'cant go on with the world?"

To me, a spiritual awakening is of little use unless you figure out what your personal purpose is within it, otherwise, its all just information with no purpose or point. There is also a lot of new age bullshit around the 'spiritual' community. Much of it is disinformation IMHO. When you understand your purpose and work toward it, then it all becomes clear as to why you are awakened.

Likewise, an awakening that is just about the 'truth' of how this planet works is of little use unless you know how you fit within it for change or progression.

Over the last couple of years I have met many spiritual types, lots have had visions of the future, and none so far have matched. We each have our personal destiny, some of us will return to where we came, some will stay to continue humanity here in a better way. 

Perhaps it is just where I am at right now; but it feels like the 'information' I have come across these past few months/weeks has 'woken' me up to a deeper 'agenda' and so all that I thought I knew up until recently has changed. I had a purpose to try to 'assist' others, to be the unique vibration that I am, to learn and grow and I guess to work through karma. Now I don't believe in many elements of the above' karma, lessons, purpose etc, not in the way they are commonly used by the 'Spiritual community' or 'new-age' people. I believe we are in a prison here; one that is ultimately about harvesting our energies. Maybe when we 'get out' of here all those things above about lessons, growth, purpose will be relevant again. But here, in this purgatory I am not so sure.

 

Maybe I am going through a 'transition' from one way of viewing the 'world' to another, and maybe it is a Dark Night moment that will pass. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

44 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

I'm sure you've heard this before, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded -

 

 

Sometimes I feel like I don't fit in this world. I live by myself and I'm the black sheep of the family. I have few acquaintances to bounce recent events off of, but I try to keep my vibration level high with music, reading, meditating, tending feral cats, and beekeeping. Connecting with nature helps too. I also have some parrots, and if you were a fly on the wall when the dark clouds roll in, you might find me in the kitchen as I prepare their fruits and vegetables, with the music cranked and dancing with them. I refuse to let TPTB bring me down to their low vib level, even if I have to create an environment to keep me in tune. You have control over your state of mind. You are stronger than they are.

 

 

The main thing is to combat fear, because their is nothing to fear. As Bill Hicks says "It's just a ride", so do whatever works for you to keep your spirits high.

Thanks mate, a good reminder and many valid points. I agree with a lot of that. I am trying to find some ways to 'live' in this matrix, and ways to not feed it or the archons. Maybe it has happened too quickly and I am panicking a bit, but it feels brutal right now. But you are right, over the last few weeks I have been trying to come up with some ideas for 'withdrawing' my energy from the matrix and to stay as high in my vibration as possible. Thanks so much for your thoughtful post, it really helped. 

 

I am trying to come up with a 'philosophy of living' that fits my new way of thinking about the 'world' and ways that I can stay clear of the matrix and the archon energies. It is a work in progress. Thanks again. 

[JCP]

47 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Thanks mate, a good reminder and many valid points. I agree with a lot of that. I am trying to find some ways to 'live' in this matrix, and ways to not feed it or the archons. Maybe it has happened too quickly and I am panicking a bit, but it feels brutal right now. But you are right, over the last few weeks I have been trying to come up with some ideas for 'withdrawing' my energy from the matrix and to stay as high in my vibration as possible. Thanks so much for your thoughtful post, it really helped. 

 

I am trying to come up with a 'philosophy of living' that fits my new way of thinking about the 'world' and ways that I can stay clear of the matrix and the archon energies. It is a work in progress. Thanks again. 

 

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Maybe it has happened too quickly and I am panicking a bit

 

I'll bet that's it. I think all of us go thru this in some form or another at our own pace. It's so much dire information at one time, that it overloads your thinking and short circuits the neural connections in the brain. In other words - You're thinking too much. The answer is to stop thinking. Empty your mind completely. Look inside yourself instead of outward. You can always come back to the issues at a later time and deal with them one at a time. Meditation does that for me. I don't know if you practice it or want to, but I'll post a link to the video that helped me the most. Once you get to the state where you become more energy and less matter ..... you'll remember who you really are. It will come. Relax ...... It's just a ride.

 

Spiritual Reality Power Of Meditation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpCjZEikUGs

 

 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

22 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

No, you said that wanting something will bring you back to this life and also not wanting to come back will also count as desire therefore you'd comeback.

Hence I asked if the attitude to have at the time of death is "I don't care"?

why would you not care?

 

why try to pretend to your mind that you dont care about your death? 

 

your next life is determined by the law of cause and effects. at the last minute, on your death bed, whatever cravings are present in your mind, among many other things, will be part of the process for the next life

 

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[KingKitty]

On 6/10/2022 at 4:07 PM, DaleP said:

 

Why is it such a big deal? Yes, you can buy catnip in a shop.

 

Vritual reality.

T'was an attempt at humor. Catnip being an euphemism for cannabis and I'm "King Kitty" the post being something a "stoner" might say.  

 

How about this one? A rabbi, a priest and a vacuum cleaner salesman walk into a bar...

[Morpheus]

Interesting topic.

 

I suppose a starting point is what happens after death?

 

I think the best place to start would be NDE (near death experience) and what those people say happens. 

 

I've read varying accounts that all lead to the one thing the majority say happens and that is the light! They all see it. 

 

So in most if not all NDE's talk about the light and what happens when they are proceeding to it. Some speak of unfathomable euphoria, overwhelming feelings over love (or it's perception of love) and even visitations whether from former family members or loved ones of some description. Some say they've seen beings when they've been difficult and don't want to go to through the light like they're being told to do. They come and say anything to convince you to pass through.

 

I suppose the film Soul is a good analogy here as the main protagonist heads towards the light on a conveyor belt with other souls. One of the characters says to the main character that they recycle souls. Interesting take don't ya think. 

 

So thinking more about that, is there a further question here? I believe so, is the light a trap? I would propose yes, if this is a certainty of our reality, that the light is possibly a trap to further incarnation. However, I don't believe it's fuck all to do with karma, learning life lessons or anything else because what's interesting in some NDE accounts is when someone refuses to go into the light, they're visited by beings or former family members come to convince you to go into the light. This would suggest it can be avoided. I've come across an account by a guy just recently, but what was interesting about this guy was his refusal to go into the light and what happened to him subsequently.

 

He said he was visited by loved ones convincing him to go in, he was shown his life and the mistakes he made - critiqued his life - and when he still refused, beings turned up getting nasty and telling him he must go through.

 

So, another question arises, what is the light? Is it sentient? Is it AI? Is it extraterrestrial? Or is it a mix of AI and extraterrestrial? It could be any of those things and when we think of arcons and demiurges, then those questions start to make connections to those things and it opens up a crazy possibility that reincarnation is a trap and something is controlling it.

 

Whether that be arcons who convince you to go in and the demiurge is the light, thus recycling of souls. Or it's Lucifer morning star manipulating you to go through the light and reincarnate in this suffering hell hole until the lord saves you. Or it's aliens using a sophisticated AI program to reincarnate you back into their plantation, right here on earth, the matrix. 

 

Or, we are angel/light beings/everlasting consciousness having an experience, however, we've convinced ourselves to keep running through this matrix reality because we've forgotten who we really are and keep running the game in the hope of some better outcome. But we are more than we imagine and this is a dream, but we like the dream game so much we don't want to leave. Take ya pick or suggest something different......

 

However, beyond any of the NDE accounts I don't really think anyone can say with any degree of certainty what really happens until we actually die, we have no idea what we will encounter at that point. Anyone suggesting otherwise is full of shit.

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

why would you not care?

 

why try to pretend to your mind that you dont care about your death? 

 

your next life is determined by the law of cause and effects. at the last minute, on your death bed, whatever cravings are present in your mind, among many other things, will be part of the process for the next life

 

If you cared, that would be desiring, therefore, better take an attitude of not caring...that's what you were saying and I was asking a confirmation.

[RobinJ]

14 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Perhaps it is just where I am at right now; but it feels like the 'information' I have come across these past few months/weeks has 'woken' me up to a deeper 'agenda' and so all that I thought I knew up until recently has changed. I had a purpose to try to 'assist' others, to be the unique vibration that I am, to learn and grow and I guess to work through karma. Now I don't believe in many elements of the above' karma, lessons, purpose etc, not in the way they are commonly used by the 'Spiritual community' or 'new-age' people. I believe we are in a prison here; one that is ultimately about harvesting our energies. Maybe when we 'get out' of here all those things above about lessons, growth, purpose will be relevant again. But here, in this purgatory I am not so sure.

 

Maybe I am going through a 'transition' from one way of viewing the 'world' to another, and maybe it is a Dark Night moment that will pass. 

 

We choose our belief patterns, and sometimes when we are more open, the dark ones edge in.... Choose to believe something better, lighter maybe. You sound like you are giving into the fear. When we are bombarded with fear daily, the best way out is to ignore it and try to find others who can lift us via our commonality.

Ultimately, it does not matter what this planet is or isn't, we are in transition. Transition is often a painful process with many ups and downs.

It's possible you need a new purpose for the next phase...

[Youknownothingbutyou]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

If you cared, that would be desiring, therefore, better take an attitude of not caring...that's what you were saying and I was asking a confirmation.

 

 

caring= craving? 

 

 caring or not caring wont matter at time of death, its how youve lived your life that will determine your next rebirth.

 

 

what do you think will happen if you pretend not to care when you  die (cause all you will do is pretend? (very few beings arent attached to their body)

Edited June 12, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[DaleP]

7 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

 

 

caring= craving? 

 

 caring or not caring wont matter at time of death, its how youve lived your life that will determine your next rebirth.

 

 

what do you think will happen if you pretend not to care when you  die (cause all you will do is pretend? (very few beings arent attached to their body)

 

You changed your tune then. lol

[Youknownothingbutyou]

24 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

You changed your tune then. lol

no i didnt, you just dont understand what im saying, nor your trying to understand

 

understandbly, who the hell am i to know more about what happen when we die :)