Reincarnation is a Trap

[RobinJ]

I've never claimed to only have my own ideas. However, I'm not relying in a mythical jesus to save me or create my belief system for me either. I'm living my truth and purpose daily.

The 'trap' is in your own mind.

[RobinJ]

13 hours ago, DaleP said:

So the message here is not the goal, destination but what you can create because there is no end. Eternal....infinite normad.

 

Matias is a very interesting guy. He did an interview about the various levels of existence which was a mind bender!

By the way, did you know that the Matrix film was originally called The Immortals? The guy who wrote it claims it was stolen from him and tried for years to get it back in court.

[DaleP]

6 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Matias is a very interesting guy. He did an interview about the various levels of existence which was a mind bender!

By the way, did you know that the Matrix film was originally called The Immortals? The guy who wrote it claims it was stolen from him and tried for years to get it back in court.

It was a black woman who wrote it. She won in the end.

 

Yes, he's an interesting guy. Many long video I need to watch again. Think of torus, energy going up, energy coming down. In this duality, there needs to be both, good and bad, negative and good, dark and light and so on. Equally good angels, your guardian angel may create a mayhem so that you get back on track while demons might teach you something in a different way. If a plumber can teach you something, surely demons can teach a thing or two. The message is about balance. You need to be able to juggle both dark and light so if it's too dark, you know how to swing to the light side and if you need something moving, to manifest then you need to go heavier vibration to materialize.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

On 3/25/2023 at 10:48 PM, DaleP said:

 

Your answer is right here.

https://davidicke.com/2023/03/25/david-icke-i-tried-to-wake-you-up/

 

Depending on the limitation/belief you have, that is your reality.

If you believe that everything is possible, humanly unthinkable can happen.

For example, you must have heard of people being abuducted by aliens and their body lifted out of their bed, hoisted up through the roof. This means, our body which appears solid can go through a 'solid' wall. Most of us can't do it because we don't know how but it is possible.

Expand your mind, you get rid of limiting belief and be an infinite self then you'll understand lot more.

If you stay with the science(!) because they have proven facts....then that's where you will be, i.e. invisible world does not exist.

 

This video will help you understanding the concept more.

 

^ You only have to watch like less than 4 mins and David is dropping so many truth bombs.

It is a great video and I agree with what David says 100%,  but I do also think that to truly be free, you must also heal your trauma, heal your shadow, and also perhaps face the 'void' that so many A-VOID. Without doing that, you will only get so far I think. In order to expand and reach higher levels of consciousness, you must let go of all that binds you to the lower levels. So whilst David's point is great, I do feel he has missed some important points. Perhaps David never had much to let go of which could explain this. 

[RobinJ]

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It is a great video and I agree with what David says 100%,  but I do also think that to truly be free, you must also heal your trauma, heal your shadow, and also perhaps face the 'void' that so many A-VOID. Without doing that, you will only get so far I think. In order to expand and reach higher levels of consciousness, you must let go of all that binds you to the lower levels. So whilst David's point is great, I do feel he has missed some important points. Perhaps David never had much to let go of which could explain this. 

What do you mean about him not having much to let go of? Non of us can know his full journey because I'm sure some deeper stuff he may have dealt with is not public fodder. Look at some of the known things about him and his struggle, for example:

Ego, a wife, his livelihood, high profile ridicule etc. 

You dont think there is trauma attached to any of that?

Letting go comes in many forms, takes huge courage,and a rock solid belief. 

There are many who think they are enlightened who still cling to their hypnotised belief systems, jobs, money systems, people.

 

Standing in a garage does not make you a car.

 

 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

8 hours ago, RobinJ said:

What do you mean about him not having much to let go of? Non of us can know his full journey because I'm sure some deeper stuff he may have dealt with is not public fodder. Look at some of the known things about him and his struggle, for example:

Ego, a wife, his livelihood, high profile ridicule etc. 

You dont think there is trauma attached to any of that?

Letting go comes in many forms, takes huge courage,and a rock solid belief. 

There are many who think they are enlightened who still cling to their hypnotised belief systems, jobs, money systems, people.

 

Standing in a garage does not make you a car.

 

 

I think you are coming at this from a reactive position here. I was merely saying that perhaps David is explaining how to 'expand perception and view of self' from his own experiences (which we all tend to do) and his no mention of those other things 'could' mean he never had much to let go of. As he stated himself, "other Spiritual guru's make it so complicated, but is it very simple". Maybe it WAS complex for others, and quite simple for him. But in my experience, ego-death, healing the shadow, dark nights of the soul, healing complex trauma (particularly childhood trauma) and facing the void, are not simple processes. 

 

And I would also say that David's own journey, suggests that it IS NOT simple. Having had many Spiritual and Profound experiences as he has described. 

[RobinJ]

20 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I think you are coming at this from a reactive position here. I was merely saying that perhaps David is explaining how to 'expand perception and view of self' from his own experiences (which we all tend to do) and his no mention of those other things 'could' mean he never had much to let go of. As he stated himself, "other Spiritual guru's make it so complicated, but is it very simple". Maybe it WAS complex for others, and quite simple for him. But in my experience, ego-death, healing the shadow, dark nights of the soul, healing complex trauma (particularly childhood trauma) and facing the void, are not simple processes. 

 

And I would also say that David's own journey, suggests that it IS NOT simple. Having had many Spiritual and Profound experiences as he has described. 

I know what you mean, but no I'm not being reactive. We simply do not know e everything about him or anyone else, therefore we cant judge.

On my own journey I feel the same really, I had tons to deal with when I was younger, but when I started tuning into the spiritual aspect, everything  became easier because I knew my path and purpose. It takes a lot of courage though to stand in your truth, and not many are truly willing to lay it all bare and do that. It's a heck of a ruse, thats for sure!

[BornFreeNowAgain]

On 4/1/2023 at 5:10 AM, RobinJ said:

I know what you mean, but no I'm not being reactive. We simply do not know e everything about him or anyone else, therefore we cant judge.

On my own journey I feel the same really, I had tons to deal with when I was younger, but when I started tuning into the spiritual aspect, everything  became easier because I knew my path and purpose. It takes a lot of courage though to stand in your truth, and not many are truly willing to lay it all bare and do that. It's a heck of a ruse, thats for sure!

It sure is mate, brutal going at times. I mean I owe David Icke a LOT; he is still the single biggest influence on my 'awakening', and I can see the point he was trying to make in that video; i.e some do over-complicate things. However, I think we need to ne honest with this too; this is NOT an easy process, well not for many. Perhaps if you were lucky enough to have a semi-decent childhood, free from much trauma, and maybe feeling a sense of belonging and feeling loved, and also perhaps feeling safe, then maybe this process is a LOT easier for those. But facing the void (not A-VOIDING it), facing your shadow, learning to listen and then act on the wisdom of your Higher Self, facing the many 'Dark Nights of the Soul', all that is tough going, and alongside all that, most of it is a very lonely and isolating path. 

 

My comment about David, was not being flippant, hell I hope IT WAS easier for him. I think David had a lot of 'Divine support' along the way, which he has openly admitted, and being in the public eye afforded him the right circumstances for the total shattering of his ego, of course none of that is EASY, but it likely did speed up his process. 

 

Edited to add - I think at some point also, we need to question our 'guru's', and after posting my initial thoughts on David's comments with Rose, I thought 'wow, I cannot believe I am disagreeing with David', but then realised that this is a very healthy sign. All 'followers' must at some point question their 'master', and find their own path and forge their own ways. Not the right language of course, but it makes my point easier to understand. 

Edited April 2 by BornFreeNowAgain
Added extra part.

[RobinJ]

2 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It sure is mate, brutal going at times. I mean I owe David Icke a LOT; he is still the single biggest influence on my 'awakening', and I can see the point he was trying to make in that video; i.e some do over-complicate things. However, I think we need to ne honest with this too; this is NOT an easy process, well not for many. Perhaps if you were lucky enough to have a semi-decent childhood, free from much trauma, and maybe feeling a sense of belonging and feeling loved, and also perhaps feeling safe, then maybe this process is a LOT easier for those. But facing the void (not A-VOIDING it), facing your shadow, learning to listen and then act on the wisdom of your Higher Self, facing the many 'Dark Nights of the Soul', all that is tough going, and alongside all that, most of it is a very lonely and isolating path. 

 

My comment about David, was not being flippant, hell I hope IT WAS easier for him. I think David had a lot of 'Divine support' along the way, which he has openly admitted, and being in the public eye afforded him the right circumstances for the total shattering of his ego, of course none of that is EASY, but it likely did speed up his process. 

 

Edited to add - I think at some point also, we need to question our 'guru's', and after posting my initial thoughts on David's comments with Rose, I thought 'wow, I cannot believe I am disagreeing with David', but then realised that this is a very healthy sign. All 'followers' must at some point question their 'master', and find their own path and forge their own ways. Not the right language of course, but it makes my point easier to understand. 

Shattering the ego is one of the most difficult parts for sure, so is standing in your truth when all around are saying the opposite and being derisive. Luckily for me I have a thick skin and have been working on myself for over 15 years now, plus I like to experiment on what works for me rather than follow someone else's path. 

For me personally, once I started learning the spiritual path, all kinds of weird shit started happening and I had nobody to talk to about that in the beginning. I found it all fascinating and have documented my journey as it helps me order my thoughts and experiences.

Even stuff you think you've dealt with in the past can reappear, (when you learn that burying is not dealing with! ) even had to figure out how to recognise and deal with the dark ones.

I try not to 'follow' people as I dont want to get hooked on having a leader or single spokesperson as such.

Now I have lots of friends that understand me for the first time in my life, so for me it was relatively easy, but then i am very good at letting go of things or people that no longer serve me. 

Tough times ahead for a few years for many folks that's for sure.

[JCP]

Could it be that some people are not trapped, but instead volunteered to incarnate here?

 

 

[Mr H]

3 hours ago, JCP said:

Could it be that some people are not trapped, but instead volunteered to incarnate here?

 

 

 

Notions of being trapped suggests a trapper and a trappee, there are no such separations. 

 

Every thing is, out of love.

[JCP]

10 hours ago, Mr H said:

 

Notions of being trapped suggests a trapper and a trappee, there are no such separations. 

 

Every thing is, out of love.

 

I strongly suspect that the "trappers" are a group of people/beings that have ruled over humanity for a long, long time. They carry labels like the cult, nobles, Arcons, reptilians, politicians, kings/queens, church, the occulted, the Illuminati, watchers, etc. They have a blood oath Secret Covenant that they adhere to:

 

  https://ia804602.us.archive.org/4/items/tsc_7/TSC.pdf

 

Humanity is the "trappee".

 

Of course, this is just my intuition and perspective, and with my limited human perception, I could be way off base ....... but then again, no one really knows for sure. There are a lot of dots that do connect this bloodline cult with human domination, but I keep an open mind and entertain all possibilities.

 

Love is what will get us thru to the other side of this attack on humanity.

[Mr H]

38 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

I strongly suspect that the "trappers" are a group of people/beings that have ruled over humanity for a long, long time. They carry labels like the cult, nobles, Arcons, reptilians, politicians, kings/queens, church, the occulted, the Illuminati, watchers, etc. They have a blood oath Secret Covenant that they adhere to:

 

  https://ia804602.us.archive.org/4/items/tsc_7/TSC.pdf

 

Humanity is the "trappee".

 

Of course, this is just my intuition and perspective, and with my limited human perception, I could be way off base ....... but then again, no one really knows for sure. There are a lot of dots that do connect this bloodline cult with human domination, but I keep an open mind and entertain all possibilities.

 

Love is what will get us thru to the other side of this attack on humanity.

So essentially we are trapping ourselves and witnessing the polarity of freedom/control. And we can't have one without other. 

 

We can see this polarity play out in the streets, many folks enjoy being controlled and others enjoy freedom.

Edited April 3 by Mr H

[Mr H]

Whether we wish to admit to it or not, the cabal is also us, just a different point of view.

 

Plausible that cabal was created as well as other power structures so we can experience freedom.

[DaleP]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

So essentially we are trapping ourselves and witnessing the polarity of freedom/control. And we can't have one without other. 

 

well we are in the 3D so duality must exists. But the point is, to have freedom/ability to flip flop as you wish. Surely if you can control both side, you are free....no?

Oh wait.... heard that before somewhere.

 

 

[DaleP]

23 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Whether we wish to admit to it or not, the cabal is also us, just a different point of view.

 

Plausible that cabal was created as well as other power structures so we can experience freedom.

 

Yes, it's nice to think that they work for us.

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

well we are in the 3D so duality must exists. But the point is, to have freedom/ability to flip flop as you wish. Surely if you can control both side, you are free....no?

Oh wait.... heard that before somewhere.

 

 

If you wish to escape polarity you must realize who you truly are, and rest there.

 

And then if you do decide to manifest you will do so with a sense of fun and that nothing essentially will happen to you.

 

"Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun." A Watts.

Edited April 3 by Mr H

[Mr H]

The way I see it works regarding the cabal, is collective consciousness expressed it's wish to experience freedom, and so the cabal and these situations were created in direct response to the call to experience freedom. Like an algo works. We tend to think in human terms and think god/universe in pure sense has morality, when I suspect this is limited to humans and other mammals only.

 

Guess be careful what you wish for lolz.....

 

Edit. I also suspect fighting it just creates more versions of it. Better to just create something new instead rather than fighting and re creating the old.

Edited April 3 by Mr H

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

. I also suspect fighting it just creates more versions of it. Better to just create something new instead rather than fighting and re creating the old.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr H

Yes, and this is a concept most cant accept probably because we have been trained to think in terms of black and white, good and evil etc. Hanging onto a clear slavery system such as currency for example, and trying to save ourselves with a new one like crypto or other 'parallel networks' such is some peoples belief, is just the same thing rebranded.

Everything is balance. More of the same is not what's needed, stepping into our power is where it's at.

[RobinJ]

16 hours ago, Mr H said:

 

Notions of being trapped suggests a trapper and a trappee, there are no such separations. 

 

Every thing is, out of love.

We are never trapped unless we believe we are.

[Mr H]

20 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Yes, and this is a concept most cant accept probably because we have been trained to think in terms of black and white, good and evil etc. Hanging onto a clear slavery system such as currency for example, and trying to save ourselves with a new one like crypto or other 'parallel networks' such is some peoples belief, is just the same thing rebranded.

Everything is balance. More of the same is not what's needed, stepping into our power is where it's at.

Yes and generally there is a fear amongst humanity and a desire to be saved from all sorts of things.

 

Who do you think will save you? There is only yourself

 

Who do you need saving from ? Yourself?

 

Who do you think is doing this to you? You!

 

What do you think will happen to you? There's nowhere to go. Nothing can be destroyed.

 

If you don't like what you're experiencing in your view, change your perspective and remember who you are.

 

You are it!

 

You are the one!

[JCP]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

So essentially we are trapping ourselves and witnessing the polarity of freedom/control. And we can't have one without other. 

 

We can see this polarity play out in the streets, many folks enjoy being controlled and others enjoy freedom.

 

The only way we would be trapping ourselves is if we were them, and my guess is that's not the case. IMO, the theory that DI promotes provides the most probable answer; that these people/beings in the bloodline cult are not human, but have hijacked humanity thru deception and lies to gain control.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say that there are folks who enjoy being controlled, but that they've grown accustomed to it and fear a change. They don't trust themselves. When it comes to freedom, real freedom, I doubt many people have actually experienced it.

 

As to not being able to have one without the other, who says you can't? I used to give more weight to the theory of duality than I do today. It seemed to make sense until I realized that all I was seeing were opposites. I don't see why you can't have one without the other.

[Mr H]

23 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

The only way we would be trapping ourselves is if we were them, and my guess is that's not the case. IMO, the theory that DI promotes provides the most probable answer; that these people/beings in the bloodline cult are not human, but have hijacked humanity thru deception and lies to gain control.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say that there are folks who enjoy being controlled, but that they've grown accustomed to it and fear a change. They don't trust themselves. When it comes to freedom, real freedom, I doubt many people have actually experienced it.

 

As to not being able to have one without the other, who says you can't? I used to give more weight to the theory of duality than I do today. It seemed to make sense until I realized that all I was seeing were opposites. I don't see why you can't have one without the other.

If you listen to David Icke he describes himself as all there ever is and could ever be, infinite consciousness. So that must include the cabal.

 

How would you know what is good without experiencing bad? How do you know what is bad if you haven't experienced good? The contrast creates the other.

[DaleP]

17 hours ago, Mr H said:

The way I see it works regarding the cabal, is collective consciousness expressed it's wish to experience freedom, and so the cabal and these situations were created in direct response to the call to experience freedom. Like an algo works. We tend to think in human terms and think god/universe in pure sense has morality, when I suspect this is limited to humans and other mammals only.

 

Guess be careful what you wish for lolz.....

 

Edit. I also suspect fighting it just creates more versions of it. Better to just create something new instead rather than fighting and re creating the old.

 

Absolutely!

 

[DaleP]

13 hours ago, Mr H said:

If you listen to David Icke he describes himself as all there ever is and could ever be, infinite consciousness. So that must include the cabal.

 

How would you know what is good without experiencing bad? How do you know what is bad if you haven't experienced good? The contrast creates the other.

 

As Mathias said, the Universe is perfect and the Creator had to introduce imperfection so that imbalance will create movement like a see-saw, otherwise, it would remain static, perfect. The key is not to wish for Utopia or a perfect life, it's how perfectly you can ride the tide of ups and downs....like surfers.