Reincarnation is a Trap

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, Gremmels said:

Humanity as a whole is doomed. Do what you can to not be reincarnated back to this hell-hole. The transhumanist agenda is upon us. Those who come back to this slave planet will be reincarnated as mindless cyborgs.

Humanity is not doomed. This has been tried on multiple occasions and yet we still survive as does the planet. I doubt everyone will 'come back'

Many will go on to a new form of being which is not necessarily carbon based. No need to give into the doom mongers.

[Origin]

28 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Why do you think that is?

 

Is it maybe because whatever construct is behind death knows they're not here to die and therefore creates something to deceive their senses?

Not really. It's like trying to teach something to a primate. The monkey sees something that he cannot understand. A message that expresses itself through visual representation. He sees a kind of ball but in it is an infinite ultra compact sequence of a process that reveals complex information. And even that was delayed by a multiple factor so that it could be perceived at all. The monkey has no way of putting any of this into a meaningful context. And it is the same with Humans. And it gets even better. Love is a purely human construct and in the absence of understanding, NDEs are misinterpreting it. And they misinterpret everything because nothing was experienced beforehand to even put it into an appropriate context. And what actually happens...Their only task is to describe something that will cause something. People might be attracted to it, everyone else will process it into god constructs. Which is also a purely human construct. There could be underlying messages. From something based on pure reason and rational thinking. Which must be very sophisticated. A human would be completely overwhelmed to see a reality in which something very sophisticated exists. We also see something very simplified which is called reality.

[Origin]

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Edited September 29, 2022 by Origin

[Morpheus]

3 hours ago, Origin said:

Not really. It's like trying to teach something to a primate. The monkey sees something that he cannot understand. A message that expresses itself through visual representation. He sees a kind of ball but in it is an infinite ultra compact sequence of a process that reveals complex information. And even that was delayed by a multiple factor so that it could be perceived at all. The monkey has no way of putting any of this into a meaningful context. And it is the same with Humans. And it gets even better. Love is a purely human construct and in the absence of understanding, NDEs are misinterpreting it. And they misinterpret everything because nothing was experienced beforehand to even put it into an appropriate context. And what actually happens...Their only task is to describe something that will cause something. People might be attracted to it, everyone else will process it into god constructs. Which is also a purely human construct. There could be underlying messages. From something based on pure reason and rational thinking. Which must be very sophisticated. A human would be completely overwhelmed to see a reality in which something very sophisticated exists. We also see something very simplified which is called reality.

So what you're saying is..... In a nutshell, is that all NDE's are one massive misinterpretation all because the people having said experience are all too stupid to understand is, am I right? Could've just said that rather than the verbiage above. Would saved me 30 seconds of my life reading your post.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Morpheus

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, Morpheus said:

So what you're saying is..... In a nutshell, is that all NDE's are one massive misinterpretation all because the people having said experience are all too stupid to understand is, am I right? Could've just said that rather than the verbiage above. Would saved me 30 seconds of my life reading your post.

 

I personally don't believe that is true. Many NDE experiencers have a major life change afterwards. It's possible that they are yet another way to wake people up and put them on their true path? I know from what Ive been through, and folks I have spoken to, that there are many ways to wake people up, some more gentle than others. Just dismissing them is rather foolish. I feel we should try to keep an open mind about everything right now.

I also don't agree that love is purely human construct either, we see many versions of love just in nature. The universe/ consciousness etc is all about love. 

[Origin]

8 hours ago, Morpheus said:

So what you're saying is..... In a nutshell, is that all NDE's are one massive misinterpretation all because the people having said experience are all too stupid to understand is, am I right? Could've just said that rather than the verbiage above. Would saved me 30 seconds of my life reading your post.

Everyone trusts that something must be right here, that humans have actually found something out. But that changes when you have to face it firsthand. When it rips off your mask and shows you what nonsense Humans have interpreted themselves to be. We are good at one thing, telling a fairy tale. It is nothing more than a dream. I have learned that we know nothing. I think that's why we are here..

[Morpheus]

7 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

I personally don't believe that is true. Many NDE experiencers have a major life change afterwards. It's possible that they are yet another way to wake people up and put them on their true path? I know from what Ive been through, and folks I have spoken to, that there are many ways to wake people up, some more gentle than others. Just dismissing them is rather foolish. I feel we should try to keep an open mind about everything right now.

I also don't agree that love is purely human construct either, we see many versions of love just in nature. The universe/ consciousness etc is all about love. 

It's clearly not my opinion is it. 

[RobinJ]

8 hours ago, Morpheus said:

It's clearly not my opinion is it. 

 Yes I realise that, I was agreeing with you. Actually, I thought I had quoted both your view and origins, but it only quoted yours.  My mistake.  I figured it out now. doh!

Edited September 30, 2022 by RobinJ

[RobinJ]

8 hours ago, Origin said:

Everyone trusts that something must be right here, that humans have actually found something out. But that changes when you have to face it firsthand. When it rips off your mask and shows you what nonsense Humans have interpreted themselves to be. We are good at one thing, telling a fairy tale. It is nothing more than a dream. I have learned that we know nothing. I think that's why we are here..

 This is again a very negative view based on supposition. If you live in such negativity, how do you expect to learn anything...?

[Origin]

1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

 This is again a very negative view based on supposition. If you live in such negativity, how do you expect to learn anything...?

In my case I was reminded to see it in two perspectives. Can be seen as direct interference in my so-called existence. That is why I have separated it into Human and Non-Human. 

Human: Nothing to learn. Is like a background noise of countless thoughts.

Non-human: Although I have encountered it many times directly and here, there is no reason to agree to anything. Learning is relative and does not make this system better. Not everyone has to worship it and consider it the greatest thing in existence.

And it should care more for those who worship it unconditionally. 

[RobinJ]

22 minutes ago, Origin said:

In my case I was reminded to see it in two perspectives. Can be seen as direct interference in my so-called existence. That is why I have separated it into Human and Non-Human. 

Human: Nothing to learn. Is like a background noise of countless thoughts.

Non-human: Although I have encountered it many times directly and here, there is no reason to agree to anything. Learning is relative and does not make this system better. Not everyone has to worship it and consider it the greatest thing in existence.

And it should care more for those who worship it unconditionally. 

So you dismiss what you call 'human' ( your comments suggest you think you are better then mere humans)as rather pointless whilst your version of non human is where its at? Thats ridiculous. 

Why would I want to make this system better? its a messed up system. I am planning and executing to not be part of it.

Nor did I say I worshipped 'it' - by that do you mean learning or  ''the system?" Neither of those things are true for how I feel. 

Your answers are nonsensical, they go around in circles and say nothing and have no point. Its all supposition or one viewpoint without room for any other.

[Origin]

10 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

So you dismiss what you call 'human' ( your comments suggest you think you are better then mere humans)as rather pointless whilst your version of non human is where its at? Thats ridiculous. 

Why would I want to make this system better? its a messed up system. I am planning and executing to not be part of it.

Nor did I say I worshipped 'it' - by that do you mean learning or  ''the system?" Neither of those things are true for how I feel. 

Your answers are nonsensical, they go around in circles and say nothing and have no point. Its all supposition or one viewpoint without room for any other.

I never said I was better. I have said that the so-called knowledge of humans is more than relative. And non-human means nothing else that something exists here at the same time. Which thinks it has to interfere when it sees fit. And I know that in the end it will always come down to this I might know something, a tiny bit of new potential probabilities. And I find that hilarious that it has opened a door to be able to distinguish. The point is I never asked for it. And isn't it strange that I don't sell it like the others. Of course it makes no sense.  

[Origin]

Repeating pattern, but this is the first step in the right direction. All that can be found on the internet..

 

- grid-like phenomena within the atmosphere. There are levels of increase. And what will go towards higher dimensional structure.

- Light patterns that are impossible fast and can change directions multiple times at any time

- that people find themselves right near the moon, not the body but something else.  

- Countless tiny "particles" move towards the sun and move towards the earth.... 

- transparent merging shapes that constantly change.

- It likes to use spherical forms of appearance, can increase towards impossible expressions and have special colours which do not exist here

- NDEs perceive sequences that are understandable to them and it is used what is reflected figuratively, otherwise it's too complex.

- the earth is a small aspect of something much greater

- current understanding of reality may not apply

- none of it is supernatural, divine

- And it has many more surprises in store to entertain Humans. Searching for the unknown. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ethel]

 

[Origin]

On 10/13/2022 at 7:20 PM, Ethel said:

 

FCR  is not recommendable. He sells his message and believes he knows the truth. All I hear is fear. And his illusion to be able to avoid it. And I say it is inevitable. 

[Ethel]

5 hours ago, Origin said:

FCR  is not recommendable. He sells his message and believes he knows the truth. All I hear is fear. And his illusion to be able to avoid it. And I say it is inevitable. 

 

Do you believe we "have to" come back to earth thousand/millions of times?

[Origin]

1 hour ago, Ethel said:

 

Do you believe we "have to" come back to earth thousand/millions of times?

From my perspective? No. If something has to be repeated, this will be decided entirely by the consciousness concerned. It could be that there is a sense in which memories need to be dampened in order to process a certain aspect again. We will find ourselves where we have the opportunity to take the next logical step. Becoming is not linear. I have often implied that NDEs are not really able to comprehend what they have experienced. There is certainly a lot of distorted interpretation. Because it is usually only a matter of a tiny adjustment to move forward again. Of course, something else is given that is addressed to others, but this can only be deciphered by a tiny minority. It could be that there is something very communicative about the structure and what else exists within the extended reality. It could also be that there are individuals who know exactly who they have to protect. It just has to be understood that there is something that has already been through everything and knows exactly what it is doing...

[Tav]

There is no 'individual' reincarnation...it seems. We are merely assembled pieces in physical terms from the pre-existing content on this place that itself is the residue and ashes of a 'previous' 'entity' that in turn came from the 'stars' ie. was not physically bound..in this time trap where physicality manifests. The common theme running is the 'ego' that wants to run the show. At individual level--our attachments and ties and indeed our fascination with this hell even after being slapped daily with the vileness and lies that run through it is what holds the 'spirit' that powers us back onto ere again and again..A new assembly takes place that will pass through the similar life cycle of pain sorrow hunger wanting unfulfilled state...human form is merely one of the forms that is programmed with self-awareness of our actions. If we become self-aware that we live in a false world, a lie, we set the spirit free to go home. The assembled container that was used to arrive at that knowledge is discarded. There is then no reincarnation.

[Origin]

Sometimes you should just listen. Whether what might apply is relative.. 

 

 

[Tav]

5 hours ago, Origin said:

Sometimes you should just listen. Whether what might apply is relative.. 

 

 

 

 

I used to believe some of the NDEs until sometime ago..But now they all seem to be repeating the Errors of the Matrix Illusion verbatim. 

 

What is being said about the blue earth, colors, lights, rulers of the world, Musk, Carl Sagan and most of Seeing as a Process in that 'dimension' 'beyond' is all wrong.

 

Yes, there is a loop here and that loop runs infinitely because the symbol of infinity is a loop that 'loops' back into itself. 

 

But what he is describing is a set of pre-programmed memories and conditioning and beliefs---but it is not the Truth. In TRUTH---there will be no difference--no sense of personal being---no thoughts about anger against rulers of the world. 

 

So if the Queen who just died... suppose she had a NDE---what would she see...? Will she hate on the rulers of the world..? Of course not. 

 

What will Elon Musk's dream/NDE be like..? 

 

Notice when he says---how these rulers are so tiny compared to all the NASA images programmed in his brain? That is evidence that most NDE descriptions serve as Pacifiers and Morale Boosters for the enslaved to have the satisfaction that there is something grander than these people who they serve everyday. 

 

But these people---both the rulers and the ruled--- are Only within This Illusion-. Both arise and fall in tandem. 

 

The person could have been the exploiter at some point in the loop as well. 

A real NDE  would see ‘him’ being the one running the slave farm and feeling the whiplash on his back---at the Same Time.. That would be the real revelation of Oneness of Time. 

 

But no---each victim experiencer with a petty life, who has a NDE suddenly feels blessed that they lived to tell something so mundane. That is why the world is not waking up. 

 

These are mind-numbing programs---pacifiers---That is why always--It is the same story. 

 

There are no colors and lights in the dimension of Truth. All 'Lights, Camera, Action..' all drama ends within this realm. 

 

The ‘entity’ that is recording the experience—and that has no Physical Eyes—only the ‘power’ of Enabling ‘Vision’---- even when the body’s eyes are closed.. say during surgery under anaesthesia---- is still tied to the programming of the body-mind. It has the power of 'vision' with no eyes of Own--It sees something which is then decoded in the human body's interpretation of lights, of colors which are programmed as blissful, of beings which are programmed as divine etc….and that decoded report is saved in the brain----until the body wakes up, opens its mouth and narrates the gibberish. 

 

In other words, It only ‘sees’ what the programmed mind Lets It/ Allows it---and then the restored Circuitry of the Body Vessel pulls it back. 

 

Were it Truly Set Free to See Freely---1) One will not live to tell the tale, and 2)  Even if the entity returns to body, the experience of ‘seeing’ will not be able to be recorded in this physical brain or be described in Words---because the programming does not exist to convey it--- because the Truth is not a Cinema Show---the Truth exists when all Lights, Camera, Action become Silent. 

 

The Experience will merely leave some changes and abnormality in the way the body vessel person will interact with this world---a heightened sense of unease leading to disease and death and if no prior spiritual fortification---even madness in the traditional terms... 

 

Because that entity that ‘went off’ into the exploratory trip---brought back the message that Life is waiting elsewhere. It was a Near Life experience.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Tav

[Origin]

I imply that there are two messages, his interpretation and what he was supposed to see. 

So what is important? 

What he observed when he was above the earth. Of course, he didn't understand any of it. It's a minor mystery. He has never left Earth. Since he does not know where earth begins or ends. And yet something has been transmitted. A figurative impression which consists of a few fragments. I am only interested that others might watch the video. 

[CosmoGenesis]

1 hour ago, Tav said:

 

 

I used to believe some of the NDEs until sometime ago..But now they all seem to be repeating the Errors of the Matrix Illusion verbatim. 

 

What is being said about the blue earth, colors, lights, rulers of the world, Musk, Carl Sagan and most of Seeing as a Process in that 'dimension' 'beyond' is all wrong.

 

Yes, there is a loop here and that loop runs infinitely because the symbol of infinity is a loop that 'loops' back into itself. 

 

But what he is describing is a set of pre-programmed memories and conditioning and beliefs---but it is not the Truth. In TRUTH---there will be no difference--no sense of personal being---no thoughts about anger against rulers of the world. 

 

So if the Queen who just died... suppose she had a NDE---what would she see...? Will she hate on the rulers of the world..? Of course not. 

 

What will Elon Musk's dream/NDE be like..? 

 

Notice when he says---how these rulers are so tiny compared to all the NASA images programmed in his brain? That is evidence that most NDE descriptions serve as Pacifiers and Morale Boosters for the enslaved to have the satisfaction that there is something grander than these people who they serve everyday. 

 

But these people---both the rulers and the ruled--- are Only within This Illusion-. Both arise and fall in tandem. 

 

The person could have been the exploiter at some point in the loop as well. 

A real NDE  would see ‘him’ being the one running the slave farm and feeling the whiplash on his back---at the Same Time.. That would be the real revelation of Oneness of Time. 

 

But no---each victim experiencer with a petty life, who has a NDE suddenly feels blessed that they lived to tell something so mundane. That is why the world is not waking up. 

 

These are mind-numbing programs---pacifiers---That is why always--It is the same story. 

 

There are no colors and lights in the dimension of Truth. All 'Lights, Camera, Action..' all drama ends within this realm. 

 

The ‘entity’ that is recording the experience—and that has no Physical Eyes—only the ‘power’ of Enabling ‘Vision’---- even when the body’s eyes are closed.. say during surgery under anaesthesia---- is still tied to the programming of the body-mind. It has the power of 'vision' with no eyes of Own--It sees something which is then decoded in the human body's interpretation of lights, of colors which are programmed as blissful, of beings which are programmed as divine etc….and that decoded report is saved in the brain----until the body wakes up, opens its mouth and narrates the gibberish. 

 

In other words, It only ‘sees’ what the programmed mind Lets It/ Allows it---and then the restored Circuitry of the Body Vessel pulls it back. 

 

Were it Truly Set Free to See Freely---1) One will not live to tell the tale, and 2)  Even if the entity returns to body, the experience of ‘seeing’ will not be able to be recorded in this physical brain or be described in Words---because the programming does not exist to convey it--- because the Truth is not a Cinema Show---the Truth exists when all Lights, Camera, Action become Silent. 

 

The Experience will merely leave some changes and abnormality in the way the body vessel person will interact with this world---a heightened sense of unease leading to disease and death and if no prior spiritual fortification---even madness in the traditional terms... 

 

Because that entity that ‘went off’ into the exploratory trip---brought back the message that Life is waiting elsewhere. It was a Near Life experience.

I notice a lot of error when people come back from NDE's, its all AI construct bollocks as far as I'm concerned baiting people like a moth to a flame.

 

These people come back feeling all high and mighty preaching Unconditional love.

New age cults are spun off NDE's, no Spiritual high has been attained, just false lieght projections bouncing off the cavern of your monkey nut.

The herd will follow the guy who sounds like he knows what hes talking about and before you know it you have a Heaven's Gate scenario

 

 

 

 

 

[Tav]

1 hour ago, Origin said:

I imply that there are two messages, his interpretation and what he was supposed to see. 

So what is important? 

What he observed when he was above the earth. Of course, he didn't understand any of it. It's a minor mystery. He has never left Earth. Since he does not know where earth begins or ends. And yet something has been transmitted. A figurative impression which consists of a few fragments. I am only interested that others might watch the video. 

 

Okay. I understand now why you posted that video.

[Origin]

1 hour ago, Tav said:

 

Okay. I understand now why you posted that video.

... ;) They are all being used. And no one can reveal anything because they can't understand what they have seen anyway. And that what was for him personally he can no longer remember. And yet he has seen fragments. It is always the same. Something very sophisticated uses every medium to convey a part. 

[DaleP]

On 7/13/2022 at 4:18 PM, DaleP said:

In a way, this frequency prison cage is no different than being surrounded by negative family or work colleagues.

You may not have a choice right now to move out of the circle but you can still have a chuckle and think differently (you still have choice to be with their frequency level OR see a funny side or whatever your choice and have fun, joy surrounded by negative one). By practising this, you will be immune to negativity people throw at you and the frequency prison cage.

As I continue to research, as I said above, it is us, it is our programming which keeps us imprisoned.

Whether there is a soul net or not, it is out mindset. This is why it's really important that we learn what is truth and work hard to get rid of as many programming as possible while you can. We don't know whether we have a day or 20 years left to live. A programme only knows what has been programmed. It's hard because what we don't know we don't know. lol And we need to get uncomfortable believing in something that hasn't been proven by science. But I know for sure, investigating alien situation etc.... there is a lot more that we and science don't know. For example, there are more elements which are not listed in the periodic table.

 

As we study to expand our knowledge, it becomes the key because once you know it opens other possibilities. If you don't know, then you don't know there is another door.

And many things are hidden in plain sight. Someone said in another thread, people look but they can't see. God, the Creator's signature is in everything. Think of the Golden ratio and spiral for a start. The galaxy is a spiral, we have spiral DNA etc.