Reincarnation is a Trap

[Talorgan]

I do remember reading Tibetan book of the dead ,W Evans Wentz translation I think and interestingly it argued to avoid the hallucinations  ,fear and rebirth and head for the void ,or light I think but doesn't go any further into this  ,so this has implications too in light of "the trap" if you excuse the pun.

 

[alexa]

 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 

 

[RainbowWolf]

I've just come across this topic on here and not got round to reading all the comments but I have read about this topic before.  How on earth can we be certain about it when we die ?  1.   They tell you to ignore a welcome from a pre-deceased loved one, what if you do and it was genuinely your loved one and you reject them believing all this, can you imagine how hurt they would feel and what a terrible mistake you would have made     2.  They tell you to not go towards the light, it's a trap.  Choose another light reflecting from another part, and say you do, what guarantee have you you have made the right choice ?  You could end up somewhere much worse than Earth.    I mean as we can never have any certainty about what happens after death, you definitely cannot have any certainty about this !!!

[Ankela]

2 hours ago, RainbowWolf said:

I've just come across this topic on here and not got round to reading all the comments but I have read about this topic before.  How on earth can we be certain about it when we die ?  1.   They tell you to ignore a welcome from a pre-deceased loved one, what if you do and it was genuinely your loved one and you reject them believing all this, can you imagine how hurt they would feel and what a terrible mistake you would have made     2.  They tell you to not go towards the light, it's a trap.  Choose another light reflecting from another part, and say you do, what guarantee have you you have made the right choice ?  You could end up somewhere much worse than Earth.    I mean as we can never have any certainty about what happens after death, you definitely cannot have any certainty about this !!!

https://akka-asiel.wixsite.com/my-story 

[RobinJ]

3 hours ago, RainbowWolf said:

I've just come across this topic on here and not got round to reading all the comments but I have read about this topic before.  How on earth can we be certain about it when we die ?  1.   They tell you to ignore a welcome from a pre-deceased loved one, what if you do and it was genuinely your loved one and you reject them believing all this, can you imagine how hurt they would feel and what a terrible mistake you would have made     2.  They tell you to not go towards the light, it's a trap.  Choose another light reflecting from another part, and say you do, what guarantee have you you have made the right choice ?  You could end up somewhere much worse than Earth.    I mean as we can never have any certainty about what happens after death, you definitely cannot have any certainty about this !!!

weeeell, I think you made a few assumptions there.

Why would you assume that your loved ones would have any emotion about your passing, when we are all just frequency vibrations?

Why do you need to be certain about what happens, or need a guarantee? Just accept what your path and let go of the fear of dying, this is the number one way we are controlled- by fear and by fear of death specifically.

What if your loved ones are just there to help you transition in a peaceful way....

Who is the 'they' who you think you must follow advice from? Just follow your own heart.

If anyone has had a NDE and come back then all it says is that your true work here is not finished and your learning is not complete and must continue.

Let go of the needing certainty. It is really irrelevant at the end of the day.

 

[Dick Yang]

5 hours ago, RainbowWolf said:

I've just come across this topic on here and not got round to reading all the comments but I have read about this topic before.  How on earth can we be certain about it when we die ?  1.   They tell you to ignore a welcome from a pre-deceased loved one, what if you do and it was genuinely your loved one and you reject them believing all this, can you imagine how hurt they would feel and what a terrible mistake you would have made     2.  They tell you to not go towards the light, it's a trap.  Choose another light reflecting from another part, and say you do, what guarantee have you you have made the right choice ?  You could end up somewhere much worse than Earth.    I mean as we can never have any certainty about what happens after death, you definitely cannot have any certainty about this !!!

On summer nights, when you turn on the flashlight in the wild, you will see countless insects flying towards the light.  Is this light a friend or family member of an insect?  If the torches were replaced with candles, the insects would burn to death.  Humans need bait to capture prey, and they also need bait to capture souls.  You want to tell the difference between true and false, and your heart will tell you, provided you stay awake when you are out of your body

[Ethel]

 

[Origin]

Those who believe this nonsense will see what is expected. Humans have invented duality. But it is not based on duality. And it will not be interested in what you believe in. It would be smart to take as few illusions with you as possible.

[RobinJ]

39 minutes ago, Origin said:

Those who believe this nonsense will see what is expected. Humans have invented duality. But it is not based on duality. And it will not be interested in what you believe in. It would be smart to take as few illusions with you as possible.

which nonsense, specifically. do you mean?

[Origin]

27 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

which nonsense, specifically. do you mean?

It shapes Reality itself. It is nothing more than technomagic. I know it because I have seen it many times here in our so-called Reality with my own eyes. Basically, Humans are filled with junk. That which someone has absorbed, also figurative representations. There is nothing that it has already heard endless times. Religions, sciences, how reality supposedly works. So whoever has made up their mind will then see Greek temples, landscapes, angel, Jesus, and so on. What Humans interpret as love I would rather define as pity and the loss of autonomy as a reaction. It will then take care of the so-called core. That what will be the sum of all experiences when the body shuts down. And there is no void either. Hiding is not possible. And it will screen everyone very closely. And all the nonsense that was believed will not play a role. You will only see what is reflected in yourself. There will be an evaluation of all the mistakes that have been made. The things you ran after. You will not see the true reflection. You would not be able to understand it. Earth is nothing more than a negation of existence. A forced illusion of Humans themselves. Imagination of power, of being above others, whatever. Earth is not at all a shining example, quite the contrary. Neither advanced knowledge nor anything that can help you get ahead was to be found here. It is only possible to go your own way, everything else is a dead end. Everyone should consider this. 

[RobinJ]

2 hours ago, Origin said:

It shapes Reality itself. It is nothing more than technomagic. I know it because I have seen it many times here in our so-called Reality with my own eyes. Basically, Humans are filled with junk. That which someone has absorbed, also figurative representations. There is nothing that it has already heard endless times. Religions, sciences, how reality supposedly works. So whoever has made up their mind will then see Greek temples, landscapes, angel, Jesus, and so on. What Humans interpret as love I would rather define as pity and the loss of autonomy as a reaction. It will then take care of the so-called core. That what will be the sum of all experiences when the body shuts down. And there is no void either. Hiding is not possible. And it will screen everyone very closely. And all the nonsense that was believed will not play a role. You will only see what is reflected in yourself. There will be an evaluation of all the mistakes that have been made. The things you ran after. You will not see the true reflection. You would not be able to understand it. Earth is nothing more than a negation of existence. A forced illusion of Humans themselves. Imagination of power, of being above others, whatever. Earth is not at all a shining example, quite the contrary. Neither advanced knowledge nor anything that can help you get ahead was to be found here. It is only possible to go your own way, everything else is a dead end. Everyone should consider this. 

 

Hmm well that does come across as a very negative view. Whilst I do think that at 'the end' we are shown our belief system and the balance of what we have learned, or where we could have made better decisions, like the Egyptian 'soul weighing' concept.

There are a few things I disagree with you on. 

There is a void, I have a friend who can regularly go there, he can also send and receive power while there. But then, it may be your term for it and mine are different and we are talking about different things.

Not sure what you mean by hiding, from what - death or something else?

 

From where does your belief of what the earth is come from? It is very negative and seems to be based on the 'all humans are crap' mindset and that we have no control etc, or that we are all the same, which we aren't.

For me personally, I have been shown my 'end' already, and I have never had a fear of death, so the endless fear porn does not effect me.

 

[Gremmels]

Other possible options to escape the matrix/simulated universe that don't involve leaving through a hole in the Soul Net/Frequency Fence. Also a possibility is to stay as a ghost

 

 

[Origin]

19 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

Hmm well that does come across as a very negative view. Whilst I do think that at 'the end' we are shown our belief system and the balance of what we have learned, or where we could have made better decisions, like the Egyptian 'soul weighing' concept.

There are a few things I disagree with you on. 

There is a void, I have a friend who can regularly go there, he can also send and receive power while there. But then, it may be your term for it and mine are different and we are talking about different things.

Not sure what you mean by hiding, from what - death or something else?

 

From where does your belief of what the earth is come from? It is very negative and seems to be based on the 'all humans are crap' mindset and that we have no control etc, or that we are all the same, which we aren't.

For me personally, I have been shown my 'end' already, and I have never had a fear of death, so the endless fear porn does not effect me.

 

 

I don't have a negative image of the earth or what the others are doing. I studied it and then I was forcefully challenged to see it from two perspectives. And I have decided for myself that I am not interested in either. Humans have surprising beliefs and dreams and also expectations. It will certainly be interesting when I can finally leave. 

By hiding I mean that there is nothing you can hide. Everybody is drawn to where they belong.

I am sure that I have seen a different kind of presentation of the so-called void. It's like a multidimensional holodeck. You will never be where you think you will be.

It became active because I have no belief. And as a result, I still have no interest in the motivations of what has many names. To put it plainly I find existence amusing.

[RobinJ]

10 hours ago, Origin said:

 

I don't have a negative image of the earth or what the others are doing. I studied it and then I was forcefully challenged to see it from two perspectives. And I have decided for myself that I am not interested in either. Humans have surprising beliefs and dreams and also expectations. It will certainly be interesting when I can finally leave. 

By hiding I mean that there is nothing you can hide. Everybody is drawn to where they belong.

I am sure that I have seen a different kind of presentation of the so-called void. It's like a multidimensional holodeck. You will never be where you think you will be.

It became active because I have no belief. And as a result, I still have no interest in the motivations of what has many names. To put it plainly I find existence amusing.

 

So you consider yourself better than 'humans' then?  What does that make you, apart from arrogant?

Forcibly challenged by who or what? You make bold sweeping statements with no back up to explain your bizarre stance.

[Gremmels]

I'm glad David Icke is now talking about this. Maybe he read my post and started looking into it.

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, Gremmels said:

I'm glad David Icke is now talking about this. Maybe he read my post and started looking into it.

about reincarnation you mean? He has been talking about it for many years. He did an interview many years ago with Delores Cannon, that was interesting.

[Gremmels]

38 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

about reincarnation you mean? He has been talking about it for many years. He did an interview many years ago with Delores Cannon, that was interesting.

 

Specifically about the Reincarnation Cycle & the Tunnel of light being a trap

 

I've read a lot of his work and watched many of his videos but I've never heard him say that until recently. In his early works he said Reincarnation was for soul evolution. I never saw his interview with Dolores Cannon but I know Dolores Cannon believed the ridiculous "earth is a school for souls" lie. In fact, she's one of the main people who spread that lie.

[killing raven sun]

the so called "near death experience" seems to be widely misunderstood

 

we are never closer to death than in our earthly experience, we can see many things die everyday

 

our ordinary material lives are a near death experience

 

what is being described by those "near death" is a near life experience

 

the light that draws some in is the birth process beginning

 

the only trap in the process is being ignorant of how it works, the evil that enslaves comes from within

[Origin]

2 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

So you consider yourself better than 'humans' then?  What does that make you, apart from arrogant?

Forcibly challenged by who or what? You make bold sweeping statements with no back up to explain your bizarre stance.

Better? The contrary is rather the case. It has interfered and revealed something. How certain things have to be assigned in order to make a kind of decision. If that is all that humans of this level of development can experience, then all this is meaningless to me. I will never reveal details because this is a problem of my existence and those who have decided that I have to exist. As long as everything is unknown and you can dream of the stars, it's nice. I have nothing that could be of interest to others. Everyone will inevitably have to follow their own unique path.  

[BornFreeNowAgain]

11 hours ago, Gremmels said:

I'm glad David Icke is now talking about this. Maybe he read my post and started looking into it.

Yes, I was saying to a friend last week that I am relieved to see David writing and talking about this as over the last couple of years I was starting to doubt him a little for not coming to this conclusion. His example of the medium and loved ones not telling us that 'this reality is an illusion and controlled' was one I pondered over the last 6 months as I realised that my loved ones who came through to a medium session I had, were likely either stuck in the Astral, or were not even loved ones but archons. 

[RobinJ]

10 hours ago, Gremmels said:

 

Specifically about the Reincarnation Cycle & the Tunnel of light being a trap

 

I've read a lot of his work and watched many of his videos but I've never heard him say that until recently. In his early works he said Reincarnation was for soul evolution. I never saw his interview with Dolores Cannon but I know Dolores Cannon believed the ridiculous "earth is a school for souls" lie. In fact, she's one of the main people who spread that lie.

 If you do watch her stuff, you would know that she believes things based on her own experience, as do we all.

So, what's your experience that makes you believe that the earth being a school for souls is a ridiculous lie? 

What made you come to that belief? 

If you haven't watched stuff from her specifically how can you form a judgement as to whether she is ( according to you) lying...?

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yes, I was saying to a friend last week that I am relieved to see David writing and talking about this as over the last couple of years I was starting to doubt him a little for not coming to this conclusion. His example of the medium and loved ones not telling us that 'this reality is an illusion and controlled' was one I pondered over the last 6 months as I realised that my loved ones who came through to a medium session I had, were likely either stuck in the Astral, or were not even loved ones but archons. 

 Now there's a  thought! Not something I have yet pondered but I guess anything is possible when we have major difficulty just understanding how many lies we have been told, and we can see that the sleeping masses have some serious mental disconnects going on. We tend to come to conclusions that are based on our own experience and from knowledge/ information we find, maybe he was distracted by the covid malarky from his spiritual journey and is now exploring that more.

[RobinJ]

9 hours ago, Origin said:

Better? The contrary is rather the case. It has interfered and revealed something. How certain things have to be assigned in order to make a kind of decision. If that is all that humans of this level of development can experience, then all this is meaningless to me. I will never reveal details because this is a problem of my existence and those who have decided that I have to exist. As long as everything is unknown and you can dream of the stars, it's nice. I have nothing that could be of interest to others. Everyone will inevitably have to follow their own unique path.  

So just a load of garble with no substance then? Non of what you said makes any sense. If you have nothing that can be of interest to others, why are you bothering to write on a forum which is specifically designed to search for truth on all levels?

[Origin]

2 hours ago, RobinJ said:

So just a load of garble with no substance then? Non of what you said makes any sense. If you have nothing that can be of interest to others, why are you bothering to write on a forum which is specifically designed to search for truth on all levels?

The question is rather how much have humans already been able to figure out. Truth? I say more than 99% of all the so-called knowledge of humans is meaningless. Just because it whispers certain things to Humans does not mean that humans in this phase know the truth. I always hint at something very specific. Countless books and the many yt channels copy illusions. They do not know. An endless spiral of illusions. If there's one thing I've learnt is that humans talk endlessly but silence falls when it emerges. And all the great words are then no longer of any use. That is when it will rip off your silly mask and you will have to face the truth. It doesn't matter if you have to face this intelligence here, which happened to me, but when the body shuts down everyone will have to face it. And the little dream ends..Bye

[RobinJ]

1 hour ago, Origin said:

The question is rather how much have humans already been able to figure out. Truth? I say more than 99% of all the so-called knowledge of humans is meaningless. Just because it whispers certain things to Humans does not mean that humans in this phase know the truth. I always hint at something very specific. Countless books and the many yt channels copy illusions. They do not know. An endless spiral of illusions. If there's one thing I've learnt is that humans talk endlessly but silence falls when it emerges. And all the great words are then no longer of any use. That is when it will rip off your silly mask and you will have to face the truth. It doesn't matter if you have to face this intelligence here, which happened to me, but when the body shuts down everyone will have to face it. And the little dream ends..Bye

you have a habit of ignoring questions and rambling off into unconnected nonsense.