Morpheus Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 What I suggest is cancelling the direct debit and dusting off the cheque book. They can have the money, just when I say they can. Fuckers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Morpheus said: As Odds said, they cannot by right cut you off and they cannot affect your credit rating either. It's a scam and the sooner people realise this the better. Energy should be government subsidised, as well as food and shelter. Not running for personal gain and profit. I know that's separate, but I digress, the only reason we are being shafted is because our energy is run by private companies and not like France where is subsidised. (80% approximately) i never said they will cut off the supply, they will install a pre-pay meter and program it to take 40% of credit to pay the debt plus they will charge you for the entire process and no court will be able to defend someone who refuses to pay having the government involved in day to day running of business is , as we see, a disaster. the government is subsiding the energy companies by dropping hundreds of quid into peoples bank accounts. this money is coming from where? the covid money tree again. subsidies are the progeny of the UBI system (own nothing and be happy). Subsidies have made businesses dependant upon government. Money drops, covid grants, furlough are making working people dependant upon government. all roads lead to communism. 33 minutes ago, Morpheus said: The government have contracted private companies to allow them to charge for energy. However, all the national grid do is provide said energy. Either way, both contracts to begin with are legitimately with the government. the consumer has a unilateral agreement. i have tried negotiating terms with 2 energy companies and they told me flat out ... we dont do that. Take it or leave it. There is legislation also to prevent being 'without contract'/ the consumer has a contract to perform on the bill and thats it. The service provider is governed by the regulator but thats about it. a price cap was introduced to protect the consumer a bit. The Ombudsman was created because people just couldnt handle the truth that they had fuck all come back when shit went wrong but even that has to work within the confines of the contract the consumer has. its a private contract between the service provider and the consumer Edited August 9, 2022 by zArk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Basically yeah and the majority of the waste and water pipes need replacing all over the show. The amount of wastage is incredible, don't ever be told this country is short of water, my arse it is. There's more water than you shake a stick at. They just shut down our only desalination plant too. How fucking difficult can it be to have a wave powered desalination plant built? No coz it doesn't bring them profit.. Same with thorium reactors & coldfusion they crucified..they set them up to fail. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Morpheus said: What I suggest is cancelling the direct debit and dusting off the cheque book. They can have the money, just when I say they can. Fuckers. theres the next problem. your unilateral agreement was costed , and prices agreed on the DD. this allows the companies to play with ledgers to provide a slightly cheaper price if you are on the quarterly package and paying with cash the price will be higher you will breach your contract if you cancel the DD mid contract. i do not recommendit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: coldfusion they crucified. ahh the Dr Steven 'thermite' Jones scandal. https://archive.org/details/steven-e.-jones-sabotaged-cold-fusion-and-then-9-11-truth Edited August 9, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 . Just now, zArk said: ahh the Dr Steven 'thermite' Jones scandal. True was the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Alert Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Haha, stealing wtf planet are you on..they are feudal robber barons who have been stealing from the serfs for generations. Now blatantly doubling the price & will be doubling again, but people on benefits get nly thousand pound of tax payers money, is who is stealing here exactly? Net Zero is stealing. You are talking tripe. Remove the meter its a scam & nationalise the grid, its ours not some dead corpse. The land belongs to the people..you are trespassing with your grid. Nuclear energy does not cost more if you use more, the grid can cope with every need you have. Again like everything else they scam you with the meter..Nikola Tesla offered free wireless energy for the world & JP Morgan asked where does he stick his meter! REMOVE THE METER ITS BONDAGE! SAVE GRANNIE REMEMBER? I have a 98 year old war veteran friend who was at Normandy & he has been billed £3000 for no reasons atall in April. These companies are SLIME & they own our govenment. I suggest putting in a complaint first & they cant cut you off or effect your credit. Another thing to add to the feudual robber barons aspect, if we were neighbours and you generated your own electricity and you sold it directly to me that would be illegal in their books. It's so nice to live in a free country. Regarding your war veteran friend, do they have one of those nasty, useless, piece of crap, spy/smart meter things, which can be in dumb mode/not communicating readings and thus getting overcharged with estimated readings? Edited August 9, 2022 by Orange Alert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Orange Alert said: Another thing to add to the feudual robber barons aspect, if we were neighbours and you generated your own electricity and you offered to sell me electricity directly that would be illegal in their books. It's so nice to live in a free country. Regarding your war veteran friend, do they have one of those nasty, useless, piece of crap, spy/smart meter things, which can be in dumb mode/not communicating readings and thus overcharging with estimated readings? No but they quickly installed for him after & stole the evidence. Now threatening him with court. I personally had to get a 2 year contract to avoid being forced a smart meter, when I switched before April this year & they sure do like to try & push that shit on you. The company OVO was that bad when I signed up, they didnt have an economy 7 meter page..I had to email them my figures & they somehow managed to open two separate accounts & charged me £500 of which they had the nerve to try & refuse sending back to my bank account, when they finally admitted the fuck up. They still keep a month in advance & send me an email every month, claiming they need to increase my DD lol. The only solution is a big Guy Fawkes bonfire to keep warm n cosy come November I reckon.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Basically yeah and the majority of the waste and water pipes need replacing all over the show. The amount of wastage is incredible, don't ever be told this country is short of water, my arse it is. There's more water than you shake a stick at. Water shortages are mostly bullshit anyway. I mentioned on another topic how they were saying a reservoir about 2 miles from me was running dry. They forgot to mention the bit about opening the dam to release water to two other connected reservoirs. Effectively they can move the water around creating a false scarcity in any given location 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Morpheus said: What I suggest is cancelling the direct debit and dusting off the cheque book. They can have the money, just when I say they can. Fuckers. that wont stop you getting a winter quarterly bill of £1200+ i just whacked some great big floor bolts on my garage door seeing as theres a tonne of smokeless in there and it starts kicking off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bombadil said: Water shortages are mostly bullshit anyway. I mentioned on another topic how they were saying a reservoir about 2 miles from me was running dry. They forgot to mention the bit about opening the dam to release water to two other connected reservoirs. Effectively they can move the water around creating a false scarcity in any given location Nothing new under the Sun, sounds like Enron 2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: I personally had to get a 2 year contract to avoid being forced a smart meter, when I switched before April this year & they sure do like to try & push that shit on you It is not Law that you must have a smart meter, i had that nonsense, told them they can put it out in the street because it don't come onto my property, letter after letter came through telling us that they found a defect in the meter, i threw them all in the bin. Again all the smart meter is about is granular snooping on your affairs for some busy body who thinks they are doing a worth while job tries to tell you what to do in your life, and you get free cancer as well in the deal. A smart city is a techno communist wet dream, the molestation of freedom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, sock muppet said: It is not Law that you must have a smart meter, i had that nonsense, told them they can put it out in the street because it don't come onto my property, letter after letter came through telling us that they found a defect in the meter, i threw them all in the bin. Again all the smart meter is about is granular snooping on your affairs for some busy body who thinks they are doing a worth while job tries to tell you what to do in your life, and you get free cancer as well in the deal. A smart city is a techno communist wet dream, the molestation of freedom. Conditioning for the carbon credit system. Sadly so many fool for it. They make it very difficult to not have, specially if economy 7. They refused me a 1 year contract. Very unprofessional these people & put you on indefinite hold when you point out what total muppets they are. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, zArk said: theres the next problem. your unilateral agreement was costed , and prices agreed on the DD. this allows the companies to play with ledgers to provide a slightly cheaper price if you are on the quarterly package and paying with cash the price will be higher you will breach your contract if you cancel the DD mid contract. i do not recommendit Bollocks, method of payment has fuck all to do with terms of service Zark, stop chatting shit. I can pay however I want to. And I know it won't affect the amount to pay, however, if everyone did that they'd have to send paper bills and the admin alone, plus slow payments could cause havoc. That's what I suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, bamboozooka said: that wont stop you getting a winter quarterly bill of £1200+ i just whacked some great big floor bolts on my garage door seeing as theres a tonne of smokeless in there and it starts kicking off I've been considering installing a log fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 53 minutes ago, Morpheus said: I've been considering installing a log fire. multi fuel stove is the way to go. logs burn too quick smokeless coal just keeps going. can put coal in b4 bed close the vents and it'll be ready to go in the morning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 UK Plans for Blackouts in January in Emergency Energy Plan Reasonable worst-case scenario envisages 4-day power shortfall Industry, households could face planned power outages https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/uk-braces-for-blackouts-gas-cuts-in-january-in-emergency-plan?utm_content=bloomberguk&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-bloomberguk&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic Not something they expect to happen...theyve just been busy making it happen. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Morpheus said: Bollocks, method of payment has fuck all to do with terms of service Zark, stop chatting shit. I can pay however I want to. And I know it won't affect the amount to pay, however, if everyone did that they'd have to send paper bills and the admin alone, plus slow payments could cause havoc. That's what I suggest. method of payment is linked to the price and rate type offered. its around 7% more to pay Quarterly DD allows companies to securitise your agreement maybe your contract allows you to leave at any time and you can then get a Pay Quarterly contract with the same company or another but what most companies are doing now is selling multiple services (insurance, mobile, home internet etc) and offering a bigger discount ontop of the DD this is possible because they securitise each agreement for service and make a few quid on it and throw back a few quid to you. the company in doing so cannot be sued later by the undisclosed 3rd party to the investment contract. but anyways .... this like the fuel situation is temporary in order to cause panic, fear, trepidation then they can introduce their changes to society easily. IMO dont panic, suck it up. we are hopelessly outnumbered by zombies. Buying and installing a heat pump and electric storage battery (economy 7) is too £££ for me plus the savings would be minimal. A PE system or solar is too expension and cost savings next to nothing. Fighting energy companies is folly. Like fighting the Police is folly. Go with the flow with conscience like Alan Watts spoke about. The ego will push for fight, defence and victimness. The zombies have been placated slightly with the fuel grant but that will cause inflation again. Edited August 10, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 hours ago, oddsnsods said: UK Plans for Blackouts in January in Emergency Energy Plan Reasonable worst-case scenario envisages 4-day power shortfall Industry, households could face planned power outages https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/uk-braces-for-blackouts-gas-cuts-in-january-in-emergency-plan?utm_content=bloomberguk&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-bloomberguk&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic Not something they expect to happen...theyve just been busy making it happen. when they say it, it puts it in the minds of people. People get afraid (black out very old school, very war time). the fear pron is very poor these days the coal stockpiles are sufficient https://theecologist.org/2019/may/14/uk-has-more-coal-it-will-ever-need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 the thesis antithesis is here Prices go up ... the commies offer a reaction 'dont pay' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 all the boomers with 200k+ in the bank will pay it as usual this is part of the process to take peoples property off them in the own nothing be happy scheme they will be begging for someone to get them out of debt they will sign their house over to be debt free 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy64 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, zArk said: when they say it, it puts it in the minds of people. People get afraid (black out very old school, very war time). the fear pron is very poor these days the coal stockpiles are sufficient https://theecologist.org/2019/may/14/uk-has-more-coal-it-will-ever-need think they've knocked down all the coal fired power stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 hours ago, eddy64 said: think they've knocked down all the coal fired power stations. back during the Ukraine war tye notion to extend the decommission dste for remaining power stations https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/uk-fears-winter-blackouts-may-extend-life-of-coal-fired-power-stations-20220530 but yes they converted some to natural gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy64 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 good news if some are still going, but i thought drax burnt wood pellets or is that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 hours ago, zArk said: the thesis antithesis is here Prices go up ... the commies offer a reaction 'dont pay' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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