dont pay movement

[zArk]

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We’ve put up interest rates up to help bring inflation back down. It will take time to work.

The cost of living has risen sharply over the last year. The speed of that increase is called the rate of inflation.

It’s our job to keep the UK’s rate of inflation low. We have a target of 2%. It’s higher than that at the moment. That’s mainly because of two things:
 

• higher prices of goods coming from abroad
• large increases in the cost of energy

But there is also increasing pressure on prices from developments at home. These include:
 

• there are more job vacancies than there are people to fill them, which means employers are having to offer higher wages to attract job applicants
• businesses are charging more for their products

That’s why we’ve raised interest rates several times over the past few months.

Since December 2021, we’ve increased our key interest rate, Bank Rate, from 0.1% to 1.25%.

But it will take time to work. It’s likely that inflation will keep rising this year and start to come down next year. We expect it to be close to our 2% target in around two years."

 

 

[sock muppet]

57 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

Total fukin BOLLOX'S, this was written by Thomas Jefferson circa 250 years ago, so they have had lots of practice of spinning their BULLSHIT!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/405594-if-the-american-people-ever-allow-private-banks-to-control

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation then by deflation the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

 

     Thomas Jefferson

     Born in

     Shadwell, Virginia,

     The United States

     April 13, 1743

     Died

     July 04, 1826

 

Just transpose American with any Nation on Earth.

[zArk]

51 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

 

Total fukin BOLLOX'S, this was written by Thomas Jefferson circa 250 years ago, so they have had lots of practice of spinning their BULLSHIT!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/405594-if-the-american-people-ever-allow-private-banks-to-control

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation then by deflation the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

 

     Thomas Jefferson

     Born in

     Shadwell, Virginia,

     The United States

     April 13, 1743

     Died

     July 04, 1826

 

Just transpose American with any Nation on Earth.

 

well, after 2 years of covid loans, grants, funding, furlough etc etc the chickens have come home to roost

the BoE method to reduce inflation is misplaced imo . -- this scenario necessitates a massive growth of wealth in a short period of time i.e mineral deposit found (gold silver oil etc ) or a new industry created being sold to foreigners without an equal trade

 

what we have is artificially created wealth by Gov (under a mandate from the people ) and the BoE reacting to it. The BoE doesnt create money, publically it is the Gov and privately the people.

 

The problem is not so much the BoE response but the pathetic jelly brained people who do not take responsibility for their furlough, their grants, their business grants @ 50k a pop and to top it all the Gov dishes out more artificially created money to cover the electricity and gas costs. Plus increases the UBi and dont forget the devalued £ compared to other currency. Foreign goods cost more because the £ is weaker.

 

lets have less demands on the Gov to do something and more demands to prevent Gov doing anything. Lets take responsibility for the actions performed. Stop ranting at politicians and corporate directors and accept the shit situation as something to fix.

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by zArk

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

 

lets have less demands on the Gov to do something and more demands to prevent Gov doing anything. Lets take responsibility for the actions performed. Stop ranting at politicians and corporate directors and accept the shit situation as something to fix.

 

 

 

Hear, hear zArk. Far too many people are still engaging with politics. You'd think that the last 2 years of zero accountability political shenanigans would have made more people realise it's a waste of time. 

[sock muppet]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

well, after 2 years of covid loans, grants, funding, furlough etc etc the chickens have come home to roost

 

Do not forget sub prime madness, 9-11, too big to fail, credit crunch, black whateverday, Lord Blackheath investigation, Panama papers and when it comes to bailing that lot out no expense is spared, nice and corrupt to the highest levels of stench.

 

56 minutes ago, Doc said:

Far too many people are still engaging with politics. You'd think that the last 2 years of zero accountability political shenanigans would have made more people realise it's a waste of time.

 

Exactly, so don't pay!

Edited August 5, 2022 by sock muppet
panama papers

[zArk]

58 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

not forget sub prime madness

its people who went mental getting unaffordable loans.

yes the rules were slackened but self responsibility is hard to find these days

 

pay your debts

honour your commitments

never , ever, ever refuse to pay

 

 

[sock muppet]

2 minutes ago, zArk said:

its people who went mental getting unaffordable loans.

yes the rules were slackened but self responsibility is hard to find these days

 

pay your debts

honour your commitments

never , ever, ever refuse to pay

 

 

 

Except when government is involved and then you should make it as hard as possible for it to prosper.

[sock muppet]

Tony Gosling

Tony Gosling takes the words out of my mouth and tells it like it is, and for the stupids out there, every reason to don't pay!!!

Bank of England = Great Reset. Interest hike sends Brits further into debt. Steve Keen, Tony Gosling

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by sock muppet

[Fluke]

I remember it was quite popular back in 2009 and it does seem to have made a revival. As maccy says ukcolumn have a level headed view and it is certainly is interesting to learn about. Applying it is a different thing altogether.  Mark windows also brings some sensible talks on it and has a great satire 'common law malcolm'. 

 

I was on some telegram group and a workshop middle aged man hosting it talking about common law and you had all the youngsters enthralled by it. Speaking of telegram I deleted that because the group's I was in people were too depressing very autistic type, humourless. Life's too short. 

 

Don't end up like this tosspot.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Morpheus]

On 8/5/2022 at 6:22 PM, Doc said:

You'd think that the last 2 years of zero accountability political shenanigans would have made more people realise it's a waste of time. 

Morning bud.

 

I actually think the opposite, they're trying to convince us it's a waste of time, however, what if people started to get localised and appointed to their local councils? 

 

Surely an infiltration of the public into politics would but a huge block on anything they do because locals would be voted in instead of shill bastard's. 

 

Don't believe them when they tell you it's a waste of time because that's what they want you to think. They want you to believe it's hopeless and too difficult, but the moment we give up is the moment they win. 

 

We need to get politically active in all our local areas so we can make a difference nationally, it's the only way we take them down, from the inside out.

Edited August 7, 2022 by Morpheus

[Morpheus]

On 8/5/2022 at 5:02 PM, sock muppet said:

 

Total fukin BOLLOX'S, this was written by Thomas Jefferson circa 250 years ago, so they have had lots of practice of spinning their BULLSHIT!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/405594-if-the-american-people-ever-allow-private-banks-to-control

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation then by deflation the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”

 

     Thomas Jefferson

     Born in

     Shadwell, Virginia,

     The United States

     April 13, 1743

     Died

     July 04, 1826

 

Just transpose American with any Nation on Earth.

“Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank.

 

You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.”

– Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

 

JULY, 1832

 

BANKER BOSS NICHOLAS BIDDLE SCHEMES FOR EARLY RENEWAL -- BUT JACKSON VETOES BANK RE-CHARTER BILL

 

"I am willing it (the Bank) should expire in peace; but if it does persist in its war with the government, I have a measure in contemplation which will destroy it at once, and which I am resolved to apply, be the consequences to individuals what they may." – Andrew Jackson

[zArk]

On 8/5/2022 at 11:00 PM, sock muppet said:

Tony Gosling

Tony Gosling takes the words out of my mouth and tells it like it is, and for the stupids out there, every reason to don't pay!!!

Bank of England = Great Reset. Interest hike sends Brits further into debt. Steve Keen, Tony Gosling

 

 

both are socialists who prioritise big government and focus everything upon gov

 

there is no talk of people taking responsibility. they are happyhappy when a phat wad of covid cash lands in their bank account but do not worry about its ramifications short or long term

 

childish mentality. blame everyone but themselves

Edited August 7, 2022 by zArk

[sickofallthebollocks]

34 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Morning bud.

 

I actually think the opposite, they're trying to convince us it's a waste of time, however, what if people started to get localised and appointed to their local councils? 

 

Surely an infiltration of the public into politics would but a huge block on anything they do because locals would be voted in instead of shill bastard's. 

 

Don't believe them when they tell you it's a waste of time because that's what they want you to think. They want you to believe it's hopeless and too difficult, but the moment we give up is the moment they win. 

 

We need to get politically active in all our local areas so we can make a difference nationally, it's the only way we take them down, from the inside out.

What that man just said  - big time.... need to get involved.   If not wanting to get directly involved in all the politics and paperwork - then direct Pressure on ALL local MP's and their 'tools' of implementation.  This would mean lots of physical visits to where they live (non-violent) lets make them personally accountable for what deeds they are carrying out.
Organisation, people, movement, bring on the pressure.
 

[sock muppet]

5 hours ago, zArk said:

both are socialists who prioritise big government and focus everything upon gov

 

What's socialism got to do with it, even a broken clock is right once per day, try to entertain what is said and not the political persuasion, just because i agree on what is said does not make me communist, socialist, fascist, despotist, no i stand firmly with freedom and your God given rights, and guess who the a fore mentioned all go and speak to, yes that's right the capitalist, now if i were prime minister the first thing i would is make taxation of a living soul illegal and unlawful punishable by death, your reply smart arse?

Edited August 7, 2022 by sock muppet

[zArk]

28 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

What's socialism got to do with it, even a broken clock is right once per day, try to entertain what is said and not the political persuasion

because it informs their interpretation of government money creation, private sector money creation, earnings, money supply et al

 

i.e he suggests that there is a seesaw between government money and private sector money more specifically during Covid Keen claims there was a government deficit and a private sector surplus and now the government are trying to have a government surplus and a private sector deficit

He is blaming the Government for not 'running a deficit' now. He considers the Government the controller of the economy and is part of the 'dont pay' misguided ethos that 'ITS ALL THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT'

 

focussing upon the Government as being responsible for everything has caused this entire mess and continuation of blaming the government is pathetic

 

the people is responsible. the people is sovereign. the government is a service provider with a limited mandate from the people.

 

socialists and communists base their view of the world and how to solve it on Government. They wish to control Government , make Government larger, allow the people to focus upon the large gov entity, focus blame and triumph upon it and thus reduce any self responsibility.

 

This is what causes all the trouble.

 

 gov under communist ethos guidance created billions of covid money, extended the deficit and now the extra money in the economy has caused prices to rise because ... the £ is weaker

 

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by zArk

[sock muppet]

18 minutes ago, zArk said:

socialists and communists base their view of the world and how to solve it on Government. They wish to control Government , make Government larger, allow the people to focus upon the large gov entity, focus blame and triumph upon it and thus reduce any self responsibility

 

The debt will be paid in pounds worth pennies or pennies worth pounds, now Thomas Jefferson knew all about this and it is one of the reason's why Countries go to war with each other and guess who gets to die for it, you solve government by kicking it's pedophile mentality to the gutter, you remove it's sticky smelly fingers out of your soul and out of your pockets, i don't care if you want to stick a label on yourself of a comunofascist social agendarist what i care about is getting it right in the first place and that means bringing government to heal, the last two and a half years is ample evidence as to why this must happen because it was ALL GOVERNMENT'S FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[sock muppet]

LOL, backlash

 

[zArk]

15 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

The debt will be paid in pounds worth pennies or pennies worth pounds, now Thomas Jefferson knew all about this and it is one of the reason's why Countries go to war with each other and guess who gets to die for it, you solve government by kicking it's pedophile mentality to the gutter, you remove it's sticky smelly fingers out of your soul and out of your pockets, i don't care if you want to stick a label on yourself of a comunofascist social agendarist what i care about is getting it right in the first place and that means bringing government to heal, the last two and a half years is ample evidence as to why this must happen because it was ALL GOVERNMENT'S FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

taking something and not paying for it, is theft. its a crime

 

It will only lead to people bringing hardship and trouble to their door.

 

The Gov has already created a bunch of cash to drop into peoples bank accounts for the energy price rise. -- this is more of the same trouble which is part and parcel of the UBI system. It will additionally lead to the extension of inflation.

 

if you want to get the Gov, get involved like @Morpheus says.

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

10 hours ago, sock muppet said:

LOL, backlash

 

• We demand a reduction in energy bills to an affordable level.
• We will cancel our direct debits from Oct 1, if we are ignored.
• We will take this action if pledges reach 1 million by then

 

ermm a fair way short of 1 million. If a few thousand actually cancel their DD , a few will panic when the first letter comes through and reinstate it and then it will whittle down to a few poor stubborn sods who have their door kicked in, a mega bill handed to them and a prepay meter installed for super cold jan/feb.

 

the dont pay crew will hide because they are out to cause hardship for people already stuggling

[zArk]

 

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Donate

No one gets paid to organise this, we are running this off our own backs. For us to reach millions of people we need to scale up and be prepared to be pumping out 100K, 200K, 500K leaflets to keep those of you on the ground with the outreach materials you need to build this movement.

For example, £4K gets us 500K leaflets. We also need stickers, posters and postage. This will help us reduce the price and send out bulk loads for festivals, football matches and protests.

Please consider donating below.

 

 

 

lollers. So 'dont pay' but donate to us so we can pay.

FS...

 

[sock muppet]

4 hours ago, zArk said:

 

taking something and not paying for it, is theft. its a crime

 

It will only lead to people bringing hardship and trouble to their door.

 

The Gov has already created a bunch of cash to drop into peoples bank accounts for the energy price rise. -- this is more of the same trouble which is part and parcel of the UBI system. It will additionally lead to the extension of inflation.

 

if you want to get the Gov, get involved like @Morpheus says.

 

 

You clearly enjoy the status quo and are a government apologist, take your knee chaffing and go and grovel somewhere else, where have i advocated for don't pay other than where government is involved and even then i only advocated the threat of it, the last two and a half years is ample reason to take on government as it stands and strangle the life out it by starving it to death, taxation on a living soul is immoral unlawful illegal and should be punishable by death, i am not talking about what you owe dave down the road nor the local coop i am specifically talking about the threat of it and why we must pay in the first place, government lied and deceived and that is fraud and the Law, yes that old relic, must be enforced, is it not funny that when someone says don't pay with righteous anger it gets EVERYONES ATTENTION.

Now take your pathetic grovelling and world view of your status quo and shove it where the sun don't shine.

[Talorgan]

What I don't under stand is if the energy companies are making such huge profits why the emphasis isn't more on them ,but I might be missing something .

[Arnie]

Don't pay will just get you a CCJ. The best way to completely disrupt the energy companies is by registering a complaint with thm. Under no circumstances allow them to close it. The ombudsman will inflict heavy penalties on companies who have too many open complaints.

 

Subject, you are over charging me whilst creating obscene profits for rich share holders.

[Doc]

On 8/7/2022 at 9:46 AM, Morpheus said:

Morning bud.

 

I actually think the opposite, they're trying to convince us it's a waste of time, however, what if people started to get localised and appointed to their local councils? 

 

Surely an infiltration of the public into politics would but a huge block on anything they do because locals would be voted in instead of shill bastard's. 

 

Don't believe them when they tell you it's a waste of time because that's what they want you to think. They want you to believe it's hopeless and too difficult, but the moment we give up is the moment they win. 

 

We need to get politically active in all our local areas so we can make a difference nationally, it's the only way we take them down, from the inside out.

I'm only speaking from experience mate. My MP doesn't even acknowledge that I've emailed, let alone reply. I think politics is done for. I understand your sentiments but I honestly don't think this situation will change without some sort of actual grass roots uprisings.

If politicians start asking awkward questions, making progress and becoming popular they are involved in a scandal or get stabbed. 

 

Get prepped for some bad shit and try to stay happy is my attitude now.

 

I'm done asking politicians to help dig us out, they are there to feather there own beds and the ones that aren't don't last long as they realise the game is rigged. We're heading for shitsville in the UK and it's going to catch alot of people by surprise. It's because of weak, bought politicians that we are in this mess.

[sock muppet]

1 hour ago, Talorgan said:

What I don't under stand is if the energy companies are making such huge profits why the emphasis isn't more on them ,but I might be missing something .

 

Because everything that we are experiencing right now is because the government colluded with a foreign power against its own people i.e you, me and everyone else that lives here.

 

1 hour ago, Arnie said:

Don't pay will just get you a CCJ

 

The threat of it will not and there are ways of making the whole payment thing as miserable a task as is possible where the government is involved and being of a collective members enjoy protections from the Law, which is the same Law that is currently being dismissed by the agencies involved of upholding the Law in the face of blatant fraud by our government, how long has it taken the sniveling shit weasels to wake up over convid and yet you mention don't pay and their on it like ton of bricks, meh, enjoy your surfdom peasant.