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https://davidicke.com/2022/08/02/dont-pay-uk-is-this-really-a-grass-roots-movement-to-help-you/

 

this drive to 'not pay' to 'bring down the bstards' has been around for a good while and its been integrated into the 'sovereign citizen' / freeman on the land movement

 

i first encountered this with the 'dont pay the water bill' stuff -- Mark Ceylon -- Jon Witterick

 Ceylon at one point (in the Get out of debt free debarcle) dreamed of bringing the court system to a grinding halt with claims and cases

Mark and Jon left lots of people with court orders , charges on their property, homeless and in big debt

 

Now the same 'do not pay' appears but regarding electricity and gas.

I know that the charged energy use only occurs because the meter is being used as a private space by the electricity companies and when the electricty or gas pass through the meter , they levee a charge for passage. very 'law of the sea'. the gas or electric is free as such but we do sign a contract with the 'supplier' which negates our claim to the free energy.

 

n.b i think some 'common law' tutor workshops have been pushing the 'water bill' and 'council tax' dont pay stuff ( do not try it, its not fun and a horrible lesson to learn)

 

so i agree with David Clews, the 'dont pay' is linked with trade unions and socialists but i would go further and say its a far left socialist mentality/ communist agitators

 

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

https://davidicke.com/2022/08/02/dont-pay-uk-is-this-really-a-grass-roots-movement-to-help-you/

 

this drive to 'not pay' to 'bring down the bstards' has been around for a good while and its been integrated into the 'sovereign citizen' / freeman on the land movement

 

i first encountered this with the 'dont pay the water bill' stuff -- Mark Ceylon -- Jon Witterick

 Ceylon at one point (in the Get out of debt free debarcle) dreamed of bringing the court system to a grinding halt with claims and cases

Mark and Jon left lots of people with court orders , charges on their property, homeless and in big debt

 

Now the same 'do not pay' appears but regarding electricity and gas.

I know that the charged energy use only occurs because the meter is being used as a private space by the electricity companies and when the electricty or gas pass through the meter , they levee a charge for passage. very 'law of the sea'. the gas or electric is free as such but we do sign a contract with the 'supplier' which negates our claim to the free energy.

 

n.b i think some 'common law' tutor workshops have been pushing the 'water bill' and 'council tax' dont pay stuff ( do not try it, its not fun and a horrible lesson to learn)

 

so i agree with David Clews, the 'dont pay' is linked with trade unions and socialists but i would go further and say its a far left socialist mentality/ communist agitators

 

 

 

I could say quite a lot on the Freeman of the Land and Sovereign Citizen revival which has taken hold of the newly awakened movement within the wake of the pandemic.

 

Mark Windows has been warning about it in that he sees its revival, driven by "change agents", as a way of people to be dispossessed of their assets. "You will own nothing and be happy"? He has found that Simone Marshall, for example, who spearheads a "common law" group called Event 202, was, until around October 2020 (after she started Event 202), working for a property development company. He speculates that property developers would "sweep up" should repossessions take place if people lose their assets through not paying their bills, including those jumping on the "common law" bandwagon. It is entirely possible to lose your home if you don't pay your mortgage (obviously). But also, if a CCJ is obtained, a charge can be placed over the property and, in more extreme cases, an order for sale obtained (usually unlikely but possible). CCJs can also include other forms of enforcement action such as bailiffs and attachment of earnings orders and ruin the credit rating of the person concerned. Bankruptcy is another way creditors can obtain assets from people who owe them money - creditors can make a debtor bankrupt where more than £5,000 is owed.

 

To add to this, another fad has started whereby people are having their meters changed. They think that, if they get an engineer with the requisite qualification to change their meters and tell their energy supplier they want to close their account (including, in some cases, saying they have moved when they have not), they can avoid paying their energy bills as their usage will be blind to the energy companies. There is further talk about how they haven't "contracted" to receive a supply but in ignorance of the fact that, if a supply is being received, there doesn't need to specifically be a signed contract as energy supply is considered a "deemed contract" until such time an actual contract is signed with one supplier or another. They cite various pieces of legislation to supposedly back their claims but it often seems like cherry picking and taking things out of context whilst at the same time saying they do not recognise legislation because they have not consented to it (?!). They seem to be guilty of all the obfuscation they accuse the authorities of (who they accuse of using "legalese") including using clever sounding magic words such as "joinder", and putting dots and colons around their names, but usually without a proper understanding of how laws are made and the history of how our system of government and law evolved.

 

A minority have been warning that, of course, lying to the energy companies is fraud. Also, there is a criminal offence "abstraction of electricity" which comes under the Theft Act 1968 (s.13). This is where somebody has dishonestly used electricity and could potentially apply to those trying to evade their electricity bill through deceiving the supplier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstracting_electricity

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/abstracting-electricity/

 

I am waiting for the fall out which I think will eventually catch up with those pursuing the "don't pay" path. And, yes, this includes Council Tax and water bills too and other things like parking penalties. TV licences are included but they are easy enough to get out of paying because you simply declare you don't need one if you don't watch TV or live streams on video platforms.

 

We have already had a bit of a chat about the 'Don't Pay UK' campaign on another thread which you may wish to take a look at @zArk.

 

 

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This whole common law thing is an area that desperately needs clarity. I will be attempting to bring some in my pirates republic thread using as my guide the UK Columns series 'the dissidents guide to the constitution' because i think those guys have a very level headed, measured and well grounded take on the issue

 

as for these fake-left astro-turf groups they are probably agents of the central bankers looking to have you lose your assets

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On a side note, I recall a couple of months ago something that was being shared on social media, and it was along the lines of a 'fuel protest', where people were being encouraged on two or three particular days to "not buy fuel from Shell garages" because it would then "send them a message".

 

Not sure why this particular company was targeted, but there were numerous people commenting on such posts about it being a "great idea" and "it's time we did something".

 

But what ultimately does/did it achieve? Nothing really. What did people do instead? They just went and filled up at other filling stations. They still fed the 'corporate beast'. Did this 'hurt' Shell in anyway? No, not at all, the fuel just sat in the tanks below their filling stations, and afterwards people just went back to the Shell stations.

 

The funny thing is to imagine this possibility: Shell were starting to reduce their prices at the pumps, so a 'rival' decides to play a game by starting a social media 'trend', which ends up tricking guillible consumers into 'fake boycotting' Shell, and paying more at BP, Esso or Texaco stations instead.

 

It's all part of the social engineering and psychological manipulation of the masses.

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11 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

am waiting for the fall out which I think will eventually catch up with those pursuing the "don't pay" path. And, yes, this includes Council Tax and water bills too and other things like parking penalties

 

it will cost some people a lot long term.

 

10 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

It's all part of the social engineering and psychological manipulation of the masses

we are poorly educated  when young on the law, rights, obligations and all things financial.

a few years ago someone somewhere attempted to get this teaching in schools but after passing through the system it became 'teach kids how to use credit cards'.

11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

as for these fake-left astro-turf groups they are probably agents of the central bankers looking to have you lose your assets

yes , designed to make you lose assets and  disrupt the system.

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14 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

I could say quite a lot on the Freeman of the Land and Sovereign Citizen revival which has taken hold of the newly awakened movement within the wake of the pandemic.

 

Mark Windows has been warning about it in that he sees its revival, driven by "change agents", as a way of people to be dispossessed of their assets. "You will own nothing and be happy"? He has found that Simone Marshall, for example, who spearheads a "common law" group called Event 202, was, until around October 2020 (after she started Event 202), working for a property development company. He speculates that property developers would "sweep up" should repossessions take place if people lose their assets through not paying their bills, including those jumping on the "common law" bandwagon. It is entirely possible to lose your home if you don't pay your mortgage (obviously). But also, if a CCJ is obtained, a charge can be placed over the property and, in more extreme cases, an order for sale obtained (usually unlikely but possible). CCJs can also include other forms of enforcement action such as bailiffs and attachment of earnings orders and ruin the credit rating of the person concerned. Bankruptcy is another way creditors can obtain assets from people who owe them money - creditors can make a debtor bankrupt where more than £5,000 is owed.

 

To add to this, another fad has started whereby people are having their meters changed. They think that, if they get an engineer with the requisite qualification to change their meters and tell their energy supplier they want to close their account (including, in some cases, saying they have moved when they have not), they can avoid paying their energy bills as their usage will be blind to the energy companies. There is further talk about how they haven't "contracted" to receive a supply but in ignorance of the fact that, if a supply is being received, there doesn't need to specifically be a signed contract as energy supply is considered a "deemed contract" until such time an actual contract is signed with one supplier or another. They cite various pieces of legislation to supposedly back their claims but it often seems like cherry picking and taking things out of context whilst at the same time saying they do not recognise legislation because they have not consented to it (?!). They seem to be guilty of all the obfuscation they accuse the authorities of (who they accuse of using "legalese") including using clever sounding magic words such as "joinder", and putting dots and colons around their names, but usually without a proper understanding of how laws are made and the history of how our system of government and law evolved.

 

A minority have been warning that, of course, lying to the energy companies is fraud. Also, there is a criminal offence "abstraction of electricity" which comes under the Theft Act 1968 (s.13). This is where somebody has dishonestly used electricity and could potentially apply to those trying to evade their electricity bill through deceiving the supplier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstracting_electricity

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/abstracting-electricity/

 

I am waiting for the fall out which I think will eventually catch up with those pursuing the "don't pay" path. And, yes, this includes Council Tax and water bills too and other things like parking penalties. TV licences are included but they are easy enough to get out of paying because you simply declare you don't need one if you don't watch TV or live streams on video platforms.

 

We have already had a bit of a chat about the 'Don't Pay UK' campaign on another thread which you may wish to take a look at @zArk.

 

 

Thanks for this, it's been ages and I forgot about 'windowsontheworld'.
Very interesting and well worth a listen back.
In partiular at 38:50 reminding us that to reply to debt collectors with 'no contract- return to sender' as the commonlaw would advise, this is knowingly avoiding a contractual agreement whereas, if you send a letter to the debt collector that there is 'no deed of assignment' as when the debt was bought off the bank there was no agreement from you - no signature.  If you do this they never have a reply - no comeback - apart from the odd computerised/automated letter from them.
(and loads of other advice - especially important to those thinking that commonlaw is the way to go - which it isn't.
Very interesting. cheers.
 

 

 

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1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

important to those thinking that commonlaw is the way to go - which it isn't.

 

i don't think it is as simple as that. This is really important that people understand the following:

 

What we have in this country is a tug of war between our ancient common law and modern parliamentary statute

 

What the political creatures in parliament WANT us to believe is that parliament has ABSOLUTE power which is to mean that they can create ANY law even if it robs us of our rights, freedom, life, property etc. So for example if you believe in the absolute power of parliament then you believe that parliament could tomorrow create a law that everyone who has posted on the david icke forum can be rounded up and executed by firing squad

 

Does that sound reasonable to you? Or do you think that would be a breach of some sort of higher law such as your right to life and to freedom of speech?

 

We have heard in the covid era the police justifying their bullying of the public by claiming that such and such parliamentary statute says they must persecute the person and that they are legally bound to do this. However i don't believe that any policeman or woman really believes in the absolute power of parliament for example if the parliament made a law tomorrow that the police must go and round up their own families and execute them all by firing squad would the police enforce that? I don't think so! So clearly they don't believe that parliament has absolute power and that there should be LIMITATIONS on the power of parliament

 

So now that we all agree that parliament cannot just do whatever it wants simply because it writes it down in a 'statute' we can then turn to the common law to establish what historically we have been able to do without being oppressed by the state

 

We also need the police and military and judiciary and public to all realise that just because some crazy people in parliament have put something in a statute that does not make it lawful. So now the discussion has to turn to the question of 'what is lawful' and that is where we then find the common law

 

The power-crazy people in parliament WILL however try to create unlawful statutes and if they can find people stupid enough in uniform to enforce those then of course they will get away with it UNLESS of course people oppose that by insisting on their lawful rights. However that doesn't mean that they won't suffer while they do that! If there are idiots in uniform willing to carry out unlawful acts then those idiots CAN do harm to people until such time as they are opposed in large enough numbers by the rest of society

 

So it boils down to what we are willing to stand up for and protect. History is full of governments doing unlawful and evil things to people eg gulags and the only thing that can protect people from such psychopathy is their own willingness to stand against it in sufficient numbers as to manage to prevent it

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3 hours ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

especially important to those thinking that commonlaw is the way to go - which it isn't.

 

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i don't think it is as simple as that. This is really important that people understand the following:

Thanks for pointing this out Mac, I don't think it's as simple as that either.
Of course, nothing 'they' do is reasonable to me or anyone else.  We have to (for now) play them at their own game.
I think the point I missed making here is...
Common law with regards to debtors and especially third part debt recovery 'agencies' is; 
that Common Law or  'Statute' law - or not - the agency that has bought your debt from whatever bank - has just literally paid off your debt by buying it - and that you as the 'legal fiction' are not in a position to have to repay that debt - as you have not signed for it.
Common Law or not.
People crying out that their debts are not their debts as they are a freeman and that they are not their 'legal fiction' is just not needed. 
Just play them at their own game in these instances.
Use the tug of war between Common law and modern so-called Statute law against them.
The debt (once bought) is not applicable to your 'legal fiction' anymore, as 'no deed of assignment' has been made between yourself (legal fiction yourself) and the debtor.
It has not been signed by both parties.    'Legal Fiction'  'you' signed an agreement with the original credit card debtors but not the debt recovery 'agents'.
Who decided - at their own risk - to buy your debt.
 

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4 hours ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

The debt (once bought) is not applicable to your 'legal fiction' anymore, as 'no deed of assignment' has been made between yourself (legal fiction yourself) and the debtor.
It has not been signed by both parties.    'Legal Fiction'  'you' signed an agreement with the original credit card debtors but not the debt recovery 'agents'.
Who decided - at their own risk - to buy your debt.

however at court you'd be admitting that you did sign an agreement to repay the money , in a specific timeframe, with penalties attached.

The 'otherside' would argue it is the creditors right to sell the debt as per the agreement ( you would have to demand proof of claim as the creditor is you but considering the situation it is likely they considered the position of creditor as abandoned and claimed it without objection) and the debt is real and requires repayment

 

any which way , especially with common law and court of record, honour weighs heavy and one must honour the agreement you made as an adult to repay the debt

 

this is at court btw not the pre-action paperwork between you and the 3rd party interloper (debt collector)

 

eventually the banking house (loan management company ) will cost the job of claiming at court. If your debt is low they *might* just write it off.

 

it was found to be a better system when dealing with debt you signed for to

a. establish oneself as the creditor, the boss, the bank / financial house is a manager which needs to be told whats going on

b. amend the terms and conditions with a reason (i.e repayment amount is now £30 a month due to financial situation. when i can increase the amount i will )

c. write a cheque for the amount, send both the new terms and conditions and the cheque

 

its check mate .. if the bank refuses to cash the cheque they are dishonourable and a judge will side with you for offering payment, the bank usually 99.9% of the time cash the cheque and thus the new amended agreement is sealed.

 

this works for most situations and puts the judge on your side and keeps the legal departments quiet. The judge , it hardly ever gets that far, will love you as offering to pay trumps everything

 

common law is great when used within your own court of record and there is no pre existing contract. The contract (original note existing or not) supercedes common law as you have signed away all your rights for the specific and limited agreement terms and conditions

 

council tax is a tax and i have never heard anyone dodge it

water rates are a sticky wicket

electricity and gas --- everyone has to sign an agreement . i think its a unilateral agreement. Theres no option to prom note, A4V etc. You signed, you pay or they kick your door in and take the meter out and replace with a card meter.

 

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7 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i don't think it is as simple as that. This is really important that people understand the following:

 

What we have in this country is a tug of war between our ancient common law and modern parliamentary statute

 

What the political creatures in parliament WANT us to believe is that parliament has ABSOLUTE power which is to mean that they can create ANY law even if it robs us of our rights, freedom, life, property etc. So for example if you believe in the absolute power of parliament then you believe that parliament could tomorrow create a law that everyone who has posted on the david icke forum can be rounded up and executed by firing squad

 

Does that sound reasonable to you? Or do you think that would be a breach of some sort of higher law such as your right to life and to freedom of speech?

 

We have heard in the covid era the police justifying their bullying of the public by claiming that such and such parliamentary statute says they must persecute the person and that they are legally bound to do this. However i don't believe that any policeman or woman really believes in the absolute power of parliament for example if the parliament made a law tomorrow that the police must go and round up their own families and execute them all by firing squad would the police enforce that? I don't think so! So clearly they don't believe that parliament has absolute power and that there should be LIMITATIONS on the power of parliament

 

So now that we all agree that parliament cannot just do whatever it wants simply because it writes it down in a 'statute' we can then turn to the common law to establish what historically we have been able to do without being oppressed by the state

 

We also need the police and military and judiciary and public to all realise that just because some crazy people in parliament have put something in a statute that does not make it lawful. So now the discussion has to turn to the question of 'what is lawful' and that is where we then find the common law

 

The power-crazy people in parliament WILL however try to create unlawful statutes and if they can find people stupid enough in uniform to enforce those then of course they will get away with it UNLESS of course people oppose that by insisting on their lawful rights. However that doesn't mean that they won't suffer while they do that! If there are idiots in uniform willing to carry out unlawful acts then those idiots CAN do harm to people until such time as they are opposed in large enough numbers by the rest of society

 

So it boils down to what we are willing to stand up for and protect. History is full of governments doing unlawful and evil things to people eg gulags and the only thing that can protect people from such psychopathy is their own willingness to stand against it in sufficient numbers as to manage to prevent it

 

I absolutely agree that it can only be beneficial for people to learn what truly is lawful including understanding the separation of powers, the structure of our constitutional law and how this fits within an international framework.

 

It needs to be understood that there are supposed to be checks and balances on parliamentary sovereignty and that, whilst a government may pass statutes, these can potentially be unlawful and "ultra vires" (which means for a body to overstep its legal powers). The UK government is seeking to make it harder for people to seek judicial review which is the means whereby the lawfulness of a government decision can be challenged through the courts. The Dolan case was one such example which unfortunately did not succeed.

 

Should we as individuals understand that, naturally and philosophically, we all have inalienable rights which cannot be overridden no matter what any government decrees, this weakens the position of our overlords. So I will take that as one of the positives of the "common law" movement.  But, sadly, I think the way "common law" is being framed within the alternative fringes, perhaps led by "change agents" as Mark Windows points out, is leading people away from understanding our true legal framework and causing them to expend time and energy going down avenues which will backfire.

 

And, even if there is merit in some of what "common law" proponents are putting out, what matters is what people recognise in fact as their "authority". If the majority of people recognise the Government, police, courts, judiciary etc as legitimate then, in fact, they are. That would be where the numbers and ultimate power to implement resides.

 

Another thing that I think needs to be recognised is that law is very complex. I am not necessarily of the view that this is deliberately so - it is just that we live in a complex society with complicated lives and situations to deal with. It takes years of study to get to grips with the law and then helps to practice it afterwards.

 

I don't want to put people off from learning about common law and UK Column's series 'A Dissident's Guide to the Constitution' is absolutely recommended. But my advice would be to always critically check the claims people are making before accepting the information - what sources are they relying on (if any), are those sources reliable / factual / helpful, have they misunderstood the source and/or the wider context? Follow their links and read what is said, check the footnotes, check dates, look for discrepancies and have an eye for detail and check this against the claims being made. Often I don't understand a word or term and then need to look that up too. Also, I would say not to accept something unless you feel you fully understand it - it is possible to hold things in mind as a possibility without accepting them necessarily as truth. And, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

 

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5 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

And, even if there is merit in some of what "common law" proponents are putting out, what matters is what people recognise in fact as their "authority". If the majority of people recognise the Government, police, courts, judiciary etc as legitimate then, in fact, they are. That would be where the numbers and ultimate power to implement resides.

 

the whole british legal system derives its authority from 'the crown'. So a big question for those of us trying to make sense of all this is: 'what is the crown?'

 

I don't see the crown as the monarchy. Some might say it is the council of people behind the corporation of the city of london, square mile. I see the crown as essentially the top of the secret society network with the royal family and the rothschilds etc being part of that. This is why i have tongue in cheek created a pirate republic thread because if a person in britain wants to be free they have to essentially shake off the crown.

 

This does create complications however when we start to look at the constitution: if the office of monarch has been compromised to some other agenda

 

5 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

 

I think that is a good rule for life in general but i agree that there is some confusion out there at the moment and out of that confusion people can get themselves into trouble

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These initiatives do not work because many companies which appear like they are competing hard against each other are actually one company or one industry - same investors, same shareholders.

 

So if you boycott a specific brand or company and shop with another, your money still winds up in the same hands most of the time.

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On 8/2/2022 at 5:52 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

I could say quite a lot on the Freeman of the Land and Sovereign Citizen revival which has taken hold of the newly awakened movement within the wake of the pandemic.

 

Mark Windows has been warning about it in that he sees its revival, driven by "change agents", as a way of people to be dispossessed of their assets. "You will own nothing and be happy"? He has found that Simone Marshall, for example, who spearheads a "common law" group called Event 202, was, until around October 2020 (after she started Event 202), working for a property development company. He speculates that property developers would "sweep up" should repossessions take place if people lose their assets through not paying their bills, including those jumping on the "common law" bandwagon. It is entirely possible to lose your home if you don't pay your mortgage (obviously). But also, if a CCJ is obtained, a charge can be placed over the property and, in more extreme cases, an order for sale obtained (usually unlikely but possible). CCJs can also include other forms of enforcement action such as bailiffs and attachment of earnings orders and ruin the credit rating of the person concerned. Bankruptcy is another way creditors can obtain assets from people who owe them money - creditors can make a debtor bankrupt where more than £5,000 is owed.

 

To add to this, another fad has started whereby people are having their meters changed. They think that, if they get an engineer with the requisite qualification to change their meters and tell their energy supplier they want to close their account (including, in some cases, saying they have moved when they have not), they can avoid paying their energy bills as their usage will be blind to the energy companies. There is further talk about how they haven't "contracted" to receive a supply but in ignorance of the fact that, if a supply is being received, there doesn't need to specifically be a signed contract as energy supply is considered a "deemed contract" until such time an actual contract is signed with one supplier or another. They cite various pieces of legislation to supposedly back their claims but it often seems like cherry picking and taking things out of context whilst at the same time saying they do not recognise legislation because they have not consented to it (?!). They seem to be guilty of all the obfuscation they accuse the authorities of (who they accuse of using "legalese") including using clever sounding magic words such as "joinder", and putting dots and colons around their names, but usually without a proper understanding of how laws are made and the history of how our system of government and law evolved.

 

A minority have been warning that, of course, lying to the energy companies is fraud. Also, there is a criminal offence "abstraction of electricity" which comes under the Theft Act 1968 (s.13). This is where somebody has dishonestly used electricity and could potentially apply to those trying to evade their electricity bill through deceiving the supplier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstracting_electricity

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/abstracting-electricity/

 

I am waiting for the fall out which I think will eventually catch up with those pursuing the "don't pay" path. And, yes, this includes Council Tax and water bills too and other things like parking penalties. TV licences are included but they are easy enough to get out of paying because you simply declare you don't need one if you don't watch TV or live streams on video platforms.

 

We have already had a bit of a chat about the 'Don't Pay UK' campaign on another thread which you may wish to take a look at @zArk.

 

 

 

This is a very nice post👍

Might the answer lay somewhere in between, might it be more fruitful to threaten 'don't pay' by becoming a collective based upon the idea that you can retaliate with equal force to defend your rights (lawful) that were stripped from you based upon lies and deception, a political force/campaign, the real motive is to call out the political structure as it stands with the lies it projected onto an unsuspecting public that they knowingly and willingly carried out in the name of a foreign power, which we have all come know by now, UN, WHO, WEF......etc.

A campaign of awareness with solely the threat of 'don't pay', that if goals are not met, compensation made unavailable, justice not enforced, then instead of turning to the already bankrupt, infiltrated and corrupt Unions to call for action of 'down tools', this is solely from a 'sovereign citizen' empowered collective, a pressure group, i know it would face stiff competition as there are too many to count already, but these issues must not be allowed to fade and once sleepy joe public fully realises the horrific shit show that we have just been through it would act as a very nice catch all to join, as mentioned by @zArk Mark Ceylon has sort of got the ball rolling on this idea by challenging the council tax, i have already been promoting the idea put forward by Mark, which is just to challenge the idea that you need to pay in the first place, there is at the end of the day only one real way to hurt these clowns that game the system and that is to kick them in the WALLET, HARD.

DON'T PAY, or the threat of it i really like, as empowered Citizens there must be a gazzillion loop holes waiting to be exploited that can go in the armory so to speak, the threat of which will grab the attention and would enjoy the protection of the Law for the members, NICE👍

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On 8/2/2022 at 7:27 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Not sure why this particular company was targeted, but there were numerous people commenting on such posts about it being a "great idea" and "it's time we did something".

 

Patronising fuel pumps reminding you like you needed to know already of 'don't forget to fill up safely' come to mind, many times i have complained to the garage staff about it by saying 'don't forget to breathe, you'll live longer' amongst other patronising and belittling comments i have for those garages, meh.

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13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

the whole british legal system derives its authority from 'the crown'. So a big question for those of us trying to make sense of all this is: 'what is the crown?'

 

In a few years i suspect, could be sooner, many people will be saying this as the Crown will be no more, lol

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Here are a few ideas on how to slowly escalate the situation at hand at the local level, i.e your street

First start putting up signs like so, making it painfully obvious that you will not entertain anyone without prior appointment and that will never happen, the levels of free and easy access for said authority abuser now becomes an issue magnified.

 

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Then when the authority abuser actually breaks the Law by unlawfully entering said private dwelling, the alarm must be raised to announce to the rest of the street that criminals are at work in the area

 

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49 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

Here are a few ideas on how to slowly escalate the situation at hand at the local level, i.e your street

First start putting up signs like so, making it painfully obvious that you will not entertain anyone without prior appointment and that will never happen, the levels of free and easy access for said authority abuser now becomes an issue magnified.

 

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Then when the authority abuser actually breaks the Law by unlawfully entering said private dwelling, the alarm must be raised to announce to the rest of the street that criminals are at work in the area

 

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Additional signage i just thought of, MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

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my spelling is terrible lol

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14 hours ago, sock muppet said:

I see only one Victor in this, and it aint the Bank.

 

Bank of England Initiates Largest Interest Rate in 27 Years

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/bank-england-initiates-largest-interest-rate-27-years-predicts-longest-recession-since-global-financial-crisis/

 

 

 

unfortunately the price hikes have everything to do with the amount of money in circulation (milton friedman)

the gov over 2 years introduced billions of ££ into the economy. This additional money has contributed to inflation.

the bank admits it is increasing interest rates to take money out of the economy so theres less money to spend and thus cause prices to fall due to less money (well, thats how it used to work. i suspect inflation will be maintained by a few more economic tricks like backdoor UBi gov free money)

 

the 'dont pay' movement is blaming the energy companies, supermarkets, big oil etc when it was 2 years ago the creation of cash by the Gov.

 

self-responsibility is not wanted around these parts.

 

as with most things, its a cover up. Hide the culprits , hide the real reason and create a myth.

and as the reins for this escapade have been handed to the communists to push through it is no shock that the antagonists, the disruptors are loose causing trouble using the myth narrative.

 

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5 hours ago, zArk said:

 

unfortunately the price hikes have everything to do with the amount of money in circulation (milton friedman)

the gov over 2 years introduced billions of ££ into the economy. This additional money has contributed to inflation.

the bank admits it is increasing interest rates to take money out of the economy so theres less money to spend and thus cause prices to fall due to less money (well, thats how it used to work. i suspect inflation will be maintained by a few more economic tricks like backdoor UBi gov free money)

 

the 'dont pay' movement is blaming the energy companies, supermarkets, big oil etc when it was 2 years ago the creation of cash by the Gov.

 

self-responsibility is not wanted around these parts.

 

as with most things, its a cover up. Hide the culprits , hide the real reason and create a myth.

and as the reins for this escapade have been handed to the communists to push through it is no shock that the antagonists, the disruptors are loose causing trouble using the myth narrative.

 

 

You are quite correct, and this was always the plan to begin with and no matter your political flavour or tendencies, we aint paying for it, so, DON'T PAY👍

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35 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

DON'T PAY

unfortunately that scenario commited by a 1% of population would do further damage and progress the plan even quicker.

it will hurt family, friends, neighbours before it touches the financial elite.

 

cost of electricity, gas, petrol, food is not the problem , imo

 

usury needs to be cancelled, imo but in the short term people are being forced into a consumer change which is abhorrent to a free market, democracy and freedom

 

consumer power can be strong, look at the 'stop buying isreali goods' situation.

 

another mind flip is.. in Japan , i think, bus drivers instead of going on strike continued to work but didnt take payment from any bus users. after a couple of days the company shit bricks

 

if they want to squeeze our finances , i say do it even more than they want.

Stop buying chinese junk for start. Stop buying furniture. Stop moving house.

 

but again alas i lose as most people are zombies and wont stop because they cant. their desire is not under their control.

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, zArk said:

unfortunately that scenario commited by a 1% of population would do further damage and progress the plan even quicker.

it will hurt family, friends, neighbours before it touches the financial elite.

 

cost of electricity, gas, petrol, food is not the problem , imo

 

usury needs to be cancelled, imo but in the short term people are being forced into a consumer change which is abhorrent to a free market, democracy and freedom

 

consumer power can be strong, look at the 'stop buying isreali goods' situation.

 

another mind flip is.. in Japan , i think, bus drivers instead of going on strike continued to work but didnt take payment from any bus users. after a couple of days the company shit bricks

 

if they want to squeeze our finances , i say do it even more than they want.

Stop buying chinese junk for start. Stop buying furniture. Stop moving house.

 

but again alas i lose as most people are zombies and wont stop because they cant. their desire is not under their control.

 

 

 

 

This is where i am at with it, the idea to catch on quickly, and the threat of it.

 

On 8/4/2022 at 12:10 PM, sock muppet said:

Might the answer lay somewhere in between, might it be more fruitful to threaten 'don't pay' by becoming a collective based upon the idea that you can retaliate with equal force to defend your rights (lawful) that were stripped from you based upon lies and deception, a political force/campaign, the real motive is to call out the political structure as it stands with the lies it projected onto an unsuspecting public that they knowingly and willingly carried out in the name of a foreign power, which we have all come know by now, UN, WHO, WEF......etc.

 

DON'T PAY is the Clarion Call.

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