Tesla Driving On Autopilot Rear-Ends Motorcyclist On Motorway And Kills Him

[Macnamara]

23 hours ago, Macnamara said:

can you explain to me how a tradesman is supposed to get his tools and equipment to a job on a push bike?

 

well let me answer that....

 

there will be NO provision for tradesmen or sole traders or mom and pop businesses just as there is no provision for them now as they impose vehicle charges for access to city centres.

 

In fact what we will see is an increasing SQUEEZE on the little guy and gal so that it becomes increasingly impossible for them to operate. Whilst they may have to order a driverless smart van to come the corporations WILL be given provision for them to move their goods and services around. The corporations will receive special designation such as we saw during the covid lockdowns where we saw mcdonalds and walmart declared as 'essential' whilst sole traders were often limited in their movements. Corporations will be allowed to maintain their own driverless smart vehicles.

 

Through this manner the corporations will hoover up more and more market share whilst individuals are elbowed out of the market place. All this will be enabled by the regulation of the state. Some people might term this collusion between corporations and the state as 'fascism' but i think professor suttons definition of CORPORATE SOCIALISM is far more instructive

[Bombadil]

You know Im in a strange position. Living in the sticks I quite like the idea of less traffic. There are a lot of country lanes with delivery drivers and ignorant locals hammering around.

I guess as Bilbo said of Frodo. Im still in love with the shire. 

[Truthblast]

59 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

well let me answer that....

 

there will be NO provision for tradesmen or sole traders or mom and pop businesses just as there is no provision for them now as they impose vehicle charges for access to city centres.

 

In fact what we will see is an increasing SQUEEZE on the little guy and gal so that it becomes increasingly impossible for them to operate. Whilst they may have to order a driverless smart van to come the corporations WILL be given provision for them to move their goods and services around. The corporations will receive special designation such as we saw during the covid lockdowns where we saw mcdonalds and walmart declared as 'essential' whilst sole traders were often limited in their movements. Corporations will be allowed to maintain their own driverless smart vehicles.

 

Through this manner the corporations will hoover up more and more market share whilst individuals are elbowed out of the market place. All this will be enabled by the regulation of the state. Some people might term this collusion between corporations and the state as 'fascism' but i think professor suttons definition of CORPORATE SOCIALISM is far more instructive

 

In some countries that already "have been turned" in the last 2 decades, the number one complaints are:

 

- That only large companies ideologically identical to the government can do serious business anymore

 

- That these companies and their staff increasingly behave as "chosen ones", arrogantly treating everyone else they encounter as "mere commoners"

 

- That all new laws passed are designed to further empower these companies, and that they are never investigated for any wrongdoing

 

- That everyone else is treated as "entirely disposable and unimportant"

 

- That politics has completely turned to corrupt repetition of mottos, slogans, propaganda and such

 

- That with few exceptions, the news media now works for these companies

 

- That many idealistic, passionate people are broken and no longer believe the system can be turned back to the "good old days of normal democracy"

 

 

In all of these countries the usual Megacorps and Megabanks entered the country and started the "turning process".

[Orange Alert]

6 hours ago, Bombadil said:

You know Im in a strange position. Living in the sticks I quite like the idea of less traffic. There are a lot of country lanes with delivery drivers and ignorant locals hammering around.

I guess as Bilbo said of Frodo. Im still in love with the shire. 

 

On the plus side with The Great Reset, they will be speed restricted to something like 20 MPH.

[Truthblast]

1 hour ago, Orange Alert said:

 

On the plus side with The Great Reset, they will be speed restricted to something like 20 MPH.

 

Until Elon Musk brings his HyperGeniusLoop technology there, and you shoot through those former country roads in a PASSENGER POD inside a VACUUM TUBE at 60 BILLION MILES PER HOUR for only 10 CARBON CREDITS PER RIDE!

 

I meant... PER "PRIDE" OF COURSE...

 

EEEEEELOOOOOONLOOOOOP WHOOOSH!

 

[Tinfoil Hat]

Yes, they may be planning on the bladerunner style jalopies at some point, whizzing about overhead.

 

Somebody here (sorry, I don't remember who) mentioned a wish to return to horeseback travel. That sounds really attractive, and with the benefit of garden fertiliser. But modern dwellings only have postage stamp sized plots of land with them if any, so it won't fit into their vision of how we will have to live.

[Macnamara]

9 hours ago, Bombadil said:

You know Im in a strange position. Living in the sticks I quite like the idea of less traffic. There are a lot of country lanes with delivery drivers and ignorant locals hammering around.

I guess as Bilbo said of Frodo. Im still in love with the shire. 

 

i do think we need a reset of sorts. I do want change

 

I just don't want the change that the elites are offering which is basically technocratic slavery

 

on the other hand i do think this vacuous, corporate hellscape that the elites have created which the left falsely calls 'capitalism' is not worth keeping. So yeah, i'm in a strange position too

[melanie]

On 7/29/2022 at 9:01 AM, Truthblast said:

 

You joined the forum and immediately started defending Musk.

 

So I want to know where you stand on him.

 

Is Musk a pioneer in space work as he presents himself, or is he merely showing off old NASA rocket designs, while NASA themselves have moved on to rocketless space launches?

 

And yes, 90 percent of normal people would associate "Autopilot" with self-driving.

 

 

 

AUTOMATIC PILOT literally means "AUTOMATION OF THE VEHICLE DRIVING PROCESS".

 

 

Companies CANNOT define what a word means.

 

If it is "limited driving assist" Tesla is obliged to call it that.

 

 

 

Nasa have moved on to...? What about their latest offering the space launch system (SLS) far behind anything SpaceX is doing.

90% of people, please show your data for this claim.

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

Yes, they may be planning on the bladerunner style jalopies at some point, whizzing about overhead.

 

they have drone cars which no doubt we will see the super rich flying over our heads in soon as they bypass all the congestion

 

2 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

Somebody here (sorry, I don't remember who) mentioned a wish to return to horeseback travel. That sounds really attractive, and with the benefit of garden fertiliser. But modern dwellings only have postage stamp sized plots of land with them if any, so it won't fit into their vision of how we will have to live.

 

ah but that's where the 'commons' would need to be brought back: common land available for everyone to use to graze your horse on!

[Truthblast]

2 hours ago, melanie said:

 

Nasa have moved on to...? What about their latest offering the space launch system (SLS) far behind anything SpaceX is doing.

90% of people, please show your data for this claim.

 

NASA is the SPACE ARM of the U.S. MILITARY. 

 

Just as the U.S. Military shows you their latest war toys only WHEN DECLASSIFIED 25 YEARS LATER - remember Gulf War and the F-117 Nighthawk? - NASA is only showing you WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SEE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

 

This, including LYING OUTRIGHT ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY TECHNICALLY AND PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR PRETENDING TO BE INCOMPETENT, is standard U.S. Military policy, and has been so since the Cold War.

 

It is also standard policy to HIDE THE TRUE PERFORMANCE CAPABILITIES OF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT AND OTHER TOYS CURRENTLY IN SERVICE, including how far, high and fast they can really fly in a war scenario.

 

You may find that a fighter with a stated max speed of Mach 1.8 can suddenly fly at Mach 3.2 when needed.

 

An anonymous U.S. Airforce Refueling Plane Boom Operator Said This About Area 51 in a radio interview I caught 2 years ago:

 

"We were made to loiter high over Area 51 every night for 2 weeks and never told precisely what we would be refueling or when. On some nights, some of the strangest looking aircraft we had ever seen wound up at the end of our refueling boom, filled up their tanks, and disappeared back into the night as if they had never been there in the first place. If I told you any more than that I would spend the rest of my life in military jail."

 

 

SpaceX is NOT ahead of NASA technically.

 

Many people think that NASA is launching things into space with NEW PROPULSION METHODS where nobody can see or film it, possibly including ANTI-GRAVITIC TECHNOLOGIES.

 

The American model has always been:

 

1. Develop Covertly In The Military Space

2. Keep classified for 2 to 3 decades

3. Develop the next 3 generations of tech in the meantime

4. Let the private sector have the "OLD HAT TECH"

 

 

After DECADES OF LYING IN THIS VERY DISTINCT NEVER CHANGING PATTERN, NOBODY SMART BELIEVES BLATANT BS LIKE "NASA COULDN'T DO IT, BUT WONDERBOY MUSK DID IT".

 

 

WHAT ELON MUSK IS USING, IMHO, IS NASA DESIGNS FROM THE EARLY 1990S.

 

He is just to let one blow up now and then so it "LOOKS REAL".

 

NASAs real budget isn't public.

 

Americans always spend 10s OF BILLIONS MORE A YEAR ON THEIR IMPORTANT TOYS THAN IS PUBLICLY VISIBLE.

 

 

 

[Morpheus]

4 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

Yes, they may be planning on the bladerunner style jalopies at some point, whizzing about overhead.

 

Somebody here (sorry, I don't remember who) mentioned a wish to return to horeseback travel. That sounds really attractive, and with the benefit of garden fertiliser. But modern dwellings only have postage stamp sized plots of land with them if any, so it won't fit into their vision of how we will have to live.

Total Recall - Johnny Cabs 

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i do think we need a reset of sorts. I do want change

 

I just don't want the change that the elites are offering which is basically technocratic slavery

 

on the other hand i do think this vacuous, corporate hellscape that the elites have created which the left falsely calls 'capitalism' is not worth keeping. So yeah, i'm in a strange position too

What should we do and what should we move to? I don't like the idea of jobs. Poeple requiring to work to live, but we still need purpose. So what do we do with ourselves?

[KingKitty]

7 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

Yes, they may be planning on the bladerunner style jalopies at some point, whizzing about overhead.

 

Somebody here (sorry, I don't remember who) mentioned a wish to return to horeseback travel. That sounds really attractive, and with the benefit of garden fertiliser. But modern dwellings only have postage stamp sized plots of land with them if any, so it won't fit into their vision of how we will have to live.

The solution to that problem: miniature flying horses. You're welcome.

[KingKitty]

This just in, exclusive footage from the scene of the accident:

 

[KingKitty]

That's right, "catnip" is legal where I live.

[Macnamara]

21 hours ago, Morpheus said:

What should we do and what should we move to? I don't like the idea of jobs. Poeple requiring to work to live, but we still need purpose. So what do we do with ourselves?

 

i don't think we should move anywhere. i think we should dig our heels in and defeat evil

 

as for work we will always need to work. We will always need to build houses, make clothes, grow food etc etc; the trick would be to make work meaningful

[Morpheus]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i don't think we should move anywhere

I don't mean physically, I mean what kind of social economical system? 

 

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

the trick would be to make work meaningful

Agreed

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

I don't mean physically, I mean what kind of social economical system?

 

i think the key word is DECENTRALISATION

 

we should work to decentralise everything down to the little guy and gal on the street: decentralised food production, decentralised health, decentralised education etc

 

That is what will give us the most freedom because it prevents the centralisation of power that is slavery

 

[Truthblast]

3 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think the key word is DECENTRALISATION

 

we should work to decentralise everything down to the little guy and gal on the street: decentralised food production, decentralised health, decentralised education etc

 

That is what will give us the most freedom because it prevents the centralisation of power that is slavery

 

 

People are so used to centralized services that 80% will want nothing to do with Alt ways of living.

 

A better alternative may be to keep a bright spotlight on these NWO dicks and try to steer mainstream politics back onto a sensible track.

 

My personal belief is that the NWO plan will FIZZLE when certain tresholds are crossed.

 

Mass public reaction to OPPRESSION tends to happen QUITE LATE.

 

To put it more bluntly, there is a point where EVERYTHING STARTS TO GO TO SHIT to such an extent that even the village idiot gets outraged by it.

 

So mass protests and such will probably happen.

 

 But only at the point where even the <100 IQs realize that everything may be taken from them.

 

Don't expect it to happen too early.

 

The average person cannot break indoctrination quickly.

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, Truthblast said:

People are so used to centralized services that 80% will want nothing to do with Alt ways of living.

 

A better alternative may be to keep a bright spotlight on these NWO dicks and try to steer mainstream politics back onto a sensible track.

 

well that's why i also speak about constitutional stuff because if people can understand their rights then they can more easily see how those rights are being undermined

 

but yeah i am not on the same wavelength as most people anymore and am not able to relate to their circumstances. I've been on hyper-alert for a very long time and have very different perspectives and concerns to most people. But am i over-reacting or are they under-reacting?

Edited July 31, 2022 by Macnamara

[melanie]

On 7/30/2022 at 9:57 PM, Truthblast said:

 

NASA is the SPACE ARM of the U.S. MILITARY. 

 

Just as the U.S. Military shows you their latest war toys only WHEN DECLASSIFIED 25 YEARS LATER - remember Gulf War and the F-117 Nighthawk? - NASA is only showing you WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SEE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

 

This, including LYING OUTRIGHT ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY TECHNICALLY AND PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR PRETENDING TO BE INCOMPETENT, is standard U.S. Military policy, and has been so since the Cold War.

 

It is also standard policy to HIDE THE TRUE PERFORMANCE CAPABILITIES OF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT AND OTHER TOYS CURRENTLY IN SERVICE, including how far, high and fast they can really fly in a war scenario.

 

You may find that a fighter with a stated max speed of Mach 1.8 can suddenly fly at Mach 3.2 when needed.

 

An anonymous U.S. Airforce Refueling Plane Boom Operator Said This About Area 51 in a radio interview I caught 2 years ago:

 

"We were made to loiter high over Area 51 every night for 2 weeks and never told precisely what we would be refueling or when. On some nights, some of the strangest looking aircraft we had ever seen wound up at the end of our refueling boom, filled up their tanks, and disappeared back into the night as if they had never been there in the first place. If I told you any more than that I would spend the rest of my life in military jail."

 

 

SpaceX is NOT ahead of NASA technically.

 

Many people think that NASA is launching things into space with NEW PROPULSION METHODS where nobody can see or film it, possibly including ANTI-GRAVITIC TECHNOLOGIES.

 

The American model has always been:

 

1. Develop Covertly In The Military Space

2. Keep classified for 2 to 3 decades

3. Develop the next 3 generations of tech in the meantime

4. Let the private sector have the "OLD HAT TECH"

 

 

After DECADES OF LYING IN THIS VERY DISTINCT NEVER CHANGING PATTERN, NOBODY SMART BELIEVES BLATANT BS LIKE "NASA COULDN'T DO IT, BUT WONDERBOY MUSK DID IT".

 

 

WHAT ELON MUSK IS USING, IMHO, IS NASA DESIGNS FROM THE EARLY 1990S.

 

He is just to let one blow up now and then so it "LOOKS REAL".

 

NASAs real budget isn't public.

 

Americans always spend 10s OF BILLIONS MORE A YEAR ON THEIR IMPORTANT TOYS THAN IS PUBLICLY VISIBLE.

 

 

 

Your just bouncing from one topic to the next. 

You made the 90% claim up didnt you.

[Truthblast]

3 hours ago, melanie said:

Your just bouncing from one topic to the next. 

You made the 90% claim up didnt you.

 

Since the 1980s, every flight simulator game sold has had an "A" key function.

 

Pressing A engages the autopilot.

 

In all games, it flies the plane autonomously.

 

In many it handles takeoff and landing as well.

 

10s of millions of people have played these flightsims.

 

Autopilot is associated with intelligent autonomous flying because of it.

 

If you sell me a car with quote "Autopilot", I expect that to mean full self-driving with collision and accident avoidance.

 

If it is something else, I would immediately ask for a refund for the car because of FALSE ADVERTISING.

 

Elon is so DESPERATE to make more BILLIONS that his marketing BS comes thick and fast.

 

I personally wouldn't buy a Tesla.

 

I don't like Musk's snakeoil.

 

[melanie]

On 8/1/2022 at 10:43 PM, Truthblast said:

 

Since the 1980s, every flight simulator game sold has had an "A" key function.

 

Pressing A engages the autopilot.

 

In all games, it flies the plane autonomously.

 

In many it handles takeoff and landing as well.

 

10s of millions of people have played these flightsims.

 

Autopilot is associated with intelligent autonomous flying because of it.

 

If you sell me a car with quote "Autopilot", I expect that to mean full self-driving with collision and accident avoidance.

 

If it is something else, I would immediately ask for a refund for the car because of FALSE ADVERTISING.

 

Elon is so DESPERATE to make more BILLIONS that his marketing BS comes thick and fast.

 

I personally wouldn't buy a Tesla.

 

I don't like Musk's snakeoil.

 

Still not willing to address the statistic you made up.

As you have already been shown autopilot on a plane does not make the plane fully autonomous.

Ive never heard of a single case where someone mistook autopilot for FSD yet according to your made up stat 90% of people would.

Its time to put that shovel down.

[Truthblast]

10 hours ago, melanie said:

Still not willing to address the statistic you made up.

As you have already been shown autopilot on a plane does not make the plane fully autonomous.

Ive never heard of a single case where someone mistook autopilot for FSD yet according to your made up stat 90% of people would.

Its time to put that shovel down.

 

A car is NOT a plane. A car is continuously surrounded by both stationary and fast moving and direction changing obstacles it may collide with easily ans frequently, causing potential injury or death.

 

The average person DOES assume that a 'autopilot' fully flies a plane much like a human pilot.

 

And no, Elon Musk, who is just a charismatic frontman for a small army of global investors, is not being truthful or responsible by naming a "limited driving assist system" an "autopilot".

 

If I sold you a snowboard with "autopilot" and you smacked into a rock or tree with it, you would be complaining to every news reporter within earshot that my "misnamed autopilot' left you "grieveously injured".

 

No need to get upset though - Elon Musk is so important to U.S. Investors that he has FULL LEGAL IMMUNITY.

 

He would have to nuke a city full of nuns and orphans before anyone manages to drag him into court and get a cent of compensation out of it.

 

 

[melanie]

16 hours ago, Truthblast said:

 

A car is NOT a plane. A car is continuously surrounded by both stationary and fast moving and direction changing obstacles it may collide with easily ans frequently, causing potential injury or death.

 

The average person DOES assume that a 'autopilot' fully flies a plane much like a human pilot.

 

And no, Elon Musk, who is just a charismatic frontman for a small army of global investors, is not being truthful or responsible by naming a "limited driving assist system" an "autopilot".

 

If I sold you a snowboard with "autopilot" and you smacked into a rock or tree with it, you would be complaining to every news reporter within earshot that my "misnamed autopilot' left you "grieveously injured".

 

No need to get upset though - Elon Musk is so important to U.S. Investors that he has FULL LEGAL IMMUNITY.

 

He would have to nuke a city full of nuns and orphans before anyone manages to drag him into court and get a cent of compensation out of it.

 

 

Yet we haven't seen a single case of someone having an accident because they mistook Autopilot for FSD. Even if you did make a mistake the car warns you before you drive that Autopilot is not fully autonomous and FSD is only in bata and must be used with the same rules that apply to autopilot.

Hertz car hire have Tesla's in which case many people are driving a Tesla for the first time, no reports of people smashing them up because they mistook autopilot for FSD. Infact Hertz have gone Tesla crazy, now why would that be if the confusion in your mind existed in the real world? 

Stop and smell what your shovelling, what your mind tells you would happen isn't happening. As i said before each Tesla has the highest safety rating in its class and they have less accidents per mile (because of the automated features) than any other car. So statistics show (real ones not like the 90% you made up) that Tesla's are the safest cars on the road.

 

'Stop and smell what your shoveling' might be a bit strong but at least i dont swear at you like you have me