Why the Earth is a globe

[Arnie]

4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Its centrifugal and centripetal inertia derived from the earths magnetic field

 

No it isn't. Coriolis is derived from the planet rotation varying at different latitudes.

 

4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

 its why we have cyclones and anticyclones on either pole.

 

No, not even close to being accurate. We have cyclones etc. because of rotational variances by latitude creating the coriolis effect. Basically, between areas 10s of miles apart there is a variance in rotational speed. This variation causes the wind to start rotating accordingly.

 

4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Its the weak force that some call gravity that everyone thinks is either non existent or is not understood and as such is still a theory.

What is? Gravity has no effect on cyclones etc. It's the planet rotation.

 

4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Please don't link to Washington Post and Britannica for sciences. 

 

Which sources would satisfy you?

 

Now exactly why there is no possibility that coriolis would effect toilet water is because there is zero diffence between one end of the toilet bowl and the other. There is no variance to create the imbalance that results in the spin.

 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Arnie

[TheConsultant]

24 minutes ago, Arnie said:

No it isn't. Coriolis is derived from the planet rotation varying at different latitudes.

Yes, as well as the magnetic fields lines of "force". Look at a magnet under a ferrocell, you can see the constructive and deconstructive lines of "force" both centripetal and centrifugal.
 

24 minutes ago, Arnie said:

No, not even close to being accurate. We have cyclones etc. because of rotational variances by latitude creating the coriolis effect. Basically, between areas 10s of miles apart there is a variance in rotational speed. This variation causes the wind to start rotating accordingly.

What makes an anticyclone in your view? Does the planet spin the other way on the opposite pole or is something else at play?
 

24 minutes ago, Arnie said:

Now exactly why there is no possibility that coriolis would effect toilet water is because there is zero diffence between one end of the toilet bowl and the other. There is no variance to create the imbalance that results in the spin.

Because the magnetic field of the planet plays a role as I have previously stated. Minor at that scale, but very real.


Definition of cyclone and anticyclone:
"Winds in an anticyclone blow clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern Hemisphere." 

One side of a magnet "pushes" the other "sucks". One side of a magnet spins in one direction predominantly, other pole is the opposite. Both have both, but the "fight" between them is balanced on either side, one wins one side, the other wins on the other, whilst counterspace is at the centre. What makes a lump of metal become a magnet? Its aligning its structure to be "coherent."

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Grumpy Grapes]

Midday and midnight happen simultaneously. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Grumpy Grapes

[Arnie]

17 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Yes, as well as the magnetic fields lines of "force". Look at a magnet under a ferrocell, you can see the constructive and deconstructive lines of "force" both centripetal and centrifugal.

 

None of these forces act on a toilet bowl, or a cyclone for that matter.

 

17 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

What makes an anticyclone in your view? Does the planet spin the other way on the opposite pole or is something else at play?

 

Simple. The rotational speed tails off Northwards in the Northern hemisphere and Southwards in the Southern Hemisphere. 

 

17 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Because the magnetic field of the planet plays a role as I have previously stated. Minor at that scale, but very real.

 

The only role the magnetic field plays is by potentially altering the flow of solar radiation, when it alters pole positions. It has no affect on transient weather systems.

 

17 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

One side of a magnet "pushes" the other "sucks". One side of a magnet spins in one direction predominantly, other pole is the opposite. Both have both, but the "fight" between them is balanced on either side, one wins one side, the other wins on the other, whilst counterspace is at the centre. What makes a lump of metal become a magnet? Its aligning its structure to be "coherent."

 

Wind currents are nothing to do with magnets.  I don't know why you think they do.

[TheConsultant]

1 hour ago, Arnie said:

None of these forces act on a toilet bowl, or a cyclone for that matter.

A cyclone and an anticyclone are two identical weather phenomena except for two distinct differences; the direction of spin and the lift or drag down, why would your image above give rise to dragging down or rising up by just spinning in a different direction on either hemisphere? They are the inverse of one another, much like the poles on a magnet.

What is solar radiation? its light isn't it which has both an electrical and magnetic component, ANY radiant energy is light within the electromagnetic spectrum, microwaves, radiowaves, gamma, UV, infrared, visible light, all the same thing except for the speed in which it is vibrating. In fact an experiment recently showed that matter is just light at incredibly high speeds, E=MC2 which essentially just says two things, 1, energy and matter are interchangeable, and 2, it "travels" by doublings over distance. Everything in the known universe/multiverse is governed by what we call gravity, the pressure mediation of that force and others balancing to its lowest energy state (conservation of energy). It is why anything exists in the known universe/multiverse at all. Gravity is not a theory to some people, its understood. Einstein quite literally dumbed the world down with relativity and giving space properties all whilst replacing aether with space/time. Time isn't anything other than a human made concept to measure and space doesn't have properties.

 

In a cyclone, air near the ground is pushed toward the low-pressure center of the cyclone, and then rises upward, expanding and cooling as it moves. As it cools, the rising air becomes more humid, leading to cloudiness and high humidity within the cyclone.

 

Anticyclone Definition and Properties

An anticyclone, commonly known as a high, is an area of high pressure where air moves apart and sinks. It typically indicates fair weather. Winds in an anticyclone blow clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern Hemisphere. The opposite is true of a cyclone and wind direction on each respective pole. (not always a hard and fast rule, we do get anomalies)

What you are saying plays a role as I have said, it is not the only "force" at play and as such other forces are involved. Weather modification utilises EM for a good reason.  

Edited August 14, 2022 by TheConsultant

[TheConsultant]

Take a look at this
 

Since discovering this guys channel I have become a little bit obsessed to see in the public domain someone genuinely following logic, occams razor and the fundamental building blocks of existence. Mother nature is far more simple than we would ever have considered, which is why particle physics/basing our sciences on particles/matter or the duality of particles/matter is untenable. 

[Arnie]

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

A cyclone and an anticyclone are two identical weather phenomena except for two distinct differences; the direction of spin and the lift or drag down, why would your image above give rise to dragging down or rising up by just spinning in a different direction on either hemisphere? They are the inverse of one another, much like the poles on a magnet.

 

That is pretty correct right up to the point you start talking about magnets. There are plenty of pages available to explain the process, why ask me? The rotation is caused by the movement of colder higher pressure air, moving away from the poles towards the equator and then being affected by the rotation of the earth. They are nothing whatsoever like the poles on magnets, they are like whirlpools spinning in opposite directions.

 

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

What is solar radiation? its light isn't it

 

No. Light is a small section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The actual radiation I referred to is infra-red, the heat from the Sun.

 

 

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

ANY radiant energy is light within the electromagnetic spectrum, microwaves, radiowaves, gamma, UV, infrared, visible light, all the same thing except for the speed in which it is vibrating.

 

That is just wrong. Radiant energy is not "just light". Light is a small section of the spectrum that is visible to the human eye. Infra-red isn't light, Gamma isn't light, none of the other rays are light.

 

 

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

In fact an experiment recently showed that matter is just light at incredibly high speeds, E=MC2 which essentially just says two things, 1, energy and matter are interchangeable, and 2, it "travels" by doublings over distance. Everything in the known universe/multiverse is governed by what we call gravity, the pressure mediation of that force and others balancing to its lowest energy state (conservation of energy). It is why anything exists in the known universe/multiverse at all. Gravity is not a theory to some people, its understood.

 

The speed of light IS an incredibly high speed. Nothing can travel faster than light. What experiment are you talking about?  

 

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Einstein quite literally dumbed the world down with relativity and giving space properties all whilst replacing aether with space/time. Time isn't anything other than a human made concept to measure and space doesn't have properties.

 

The aether does not exist. There have been thousands of experiemts performed all over the world on a regular basis that show this. Time is not a human made concept, it is the change within the universe from one moment to the next. And as for space having no properties, it has geometry, radiation and gravity for starters. I laugh when I see people claiming Einstein's relativity is wrong. The whole things is correct, but incomplete.

 

2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

What you are saying plays a role as I have said, it is not the only "force" at play and as such other forces are involved. Weather modification utilises EM for a good reason.  

 

We started with toilet bowls and spinning water. They do NOT spin in opposite directions. Your original statement is wrong, coriolis variations will be zero.

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Arnie

[TheConsultant]

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

That is pretty correct right up to the point you start talking about magnets. There are plenty of pages available to explain the process, why ask me?

I am not asking you. I am getting you to ponder something yourself without being told.

 

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

No. Light is a small section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The actual radiation I referred to is infra-red, the heat from the Sun.

Which is light. Take a remote control and point it at your phone camera and press the button. You will see it flash because its still light, our eyes just aren't able to detect all of the spectrum.
 

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

That is just wrong. Radiant energy is not "just light". Light is a small section of the spectrum that is visible to the human eye. Infra-red isn't light, Gamma isn't light, none of the other rays are light.

The entire spectrum is light, just because a human cannot see that doesn't mean it isn't light. Various animals see different aspects to the spectrum we cannot for example. A quick coulpe of questions to you, what makes some light a different colour? what determines its wavelength? What makes light speed back up when not impeded in a prism for example? 
 

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

The speed of light IS an incredibly high speed. Nothing can travel faster than light. What experiment are you talking about?  

I wasn't talking about its speed, and its not a rate of travel at all. Its a rate of induction and can be faster than C, in the case of entanglement as I have mentioned before. Numerous experiments show this. The experiment I was referring to specifically was this in regards to light and matter being interchangeable and two side of the same coin.
https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2020/09/23/lhc-creates-matter-from-light/
 

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

The aether does not exist. There have been thousands of experiemts performed all over the world on a regular basis that show this. Time is not a human made concept, it is the change within the universe from one moment to the next. And as for space having no properties, it has geometry, radiation and gravity for starters. I laugh when I see people claiming Einstein's relativity is wrong. The whole things is correct, but incomplete.

The Michaelson-Morley experiment was not a scientifically sound experiment, it set up a standing wave of radiation between the two plates and as such was not going to detect anything at all, as well as the interferometer being on the wrong axial plane. It has since been redone and rethought and shows a medium light travels within, E.V. Silvertooth showed this, hotly refuted but other experiments even in quantum world have shown a medium. Quantum calls it quantum foam, quantum fields, quantum liquid, its aether. 
 

26 minutes ago, Arnie said:

And as for space having no properties, it has geometry, radiation and gravity for starters. I laugh when I see people claiming Einstein's relativity is wrong. The whole things is correct, but incomplete.

It has zero properties at all. Radiation travels within, gravity is a proponent of radiation. In this instance Einstein was wrong, plus most of his works were stolen from a French physicist I cannot remember the name of. He was also allegedly a Freemason.
 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Bombadil]

34 minutes ago, Arnie said:

No. Light is a small section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The actual radiation I referred to is infra-red, the heat from the Sun.

 

Infra red is light its just not on OUR visible light spectrum. 

Visible Light Spectrum Overview and Chart (thoughtco.com)

Your basically correct but IR is visible just not by us

 

[TheConsultant]

43 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Infra red is light its just not on OUR visible light spectrum. Just try an infrared torch or ultraviolet torch for example.

Visible Light Spectrum Overview and Chart (thoughtco.com)

 

Nightvision is infrared I think is it not? or at least used to be.

What I was referring to above: (try it out)


Without a camera lens you will not see this at all. 

Edited August 14, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Arnie]

1 minute ago, Bombadil said:

Infra red is light its just not on OUR visible light spectrum.

 

The whole point of my argument. There is a very good reason why things have labels in the EM spectrum.  They are not light, they are invisible and fall into different categories entirely.  

[Arnie]

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I am not asking you. I am getting you to ponder something yourself without being told.

 

I don't need to ponder about how cyclones and coriolis work. I don't need to ponder whether magnets are involved, they are not.

 

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Which is light. Take a remote control and point it at your phone camera and press the button. You will see it flash because its still light, our eyes just aren't able to detect all of the spectrum.

 

Nonsense! It is not light, they use different words for a reason. Why are you making this ridiculous argument? You see the light bulb activating on the remote to tell you it is sending invisible EM. 

 

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

The entire spectrum is light, just because a human cannot see that doesn't mean it isn't light. Various animals see different aspects to the spectrum we cannot for example.

 

No it is not! Someone else pointed this out to earlier.  The entire spectrum has specific names to tell you what each section of wavelengths is. 

 

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I wasn't talking about its speed, and its not a rate of travel at all. Its a rate of induction and can be faster than C. Numerous experiments show this.

 

Yes you were "matter is just light at incredibly high speeds". I asked you to identify the experiments.

 

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

The Michaelson-Morley experiment was not a scientifically sound experiment, it set up a standing wave of radiation between the two plates and as such was not going to detect anything at all. It has since been redone and rethought and shows a medium light travels within, E.V. Silvertooth showed this, hotly refuted but other experiments even in quantum world have shown a medium. Quantum calls it quantum foam, quantum fields, quantum liquid, its aether. 

 

Hmmm, hotly refuted and you still believe it? The aether is make believe shown to not exist.

 

11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

It has zero properties at all. Radiation travels within, gravity is a proponent of radiation. In this instance Einstein was wrong, plus most of his works were stolen from a French physicist I cannot remember the name of. 

 

Space has numerous properties as listed. Einstein didn't steal anything, just a random unverified conspiracy.

 

 

 

 

[TheConsultant]

1 minute ago, Arnie said:

The whole point of my argument. There is a very good reason why things have labels in the EM spectrum.  They are not light, they are invisible and fall into different categories entirely.  

Is ice different to water? or is it still H20?

[Arnie]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Nightvision is infrared I think is it not? or at least used to be.

 

Yes. Do you still maintain toilet flushes go in opposite directions - North and South?

 

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

What I was referring to above: (try it out)

 

The light on the remote is not the sending mechanism, it is used to show that the button has activated a circuit. It uses the visible light spectrum, hence the reason you see it. 

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Arnie said:

The light on the remote is not the sending mechanism, it is used to show that the button has activated a circuit. It uses the visible light spectrum, hence the reason you see it. 

It uses infrared to send information to a receiver where it is decoded. 

https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/remote-control1.htm - horrible link but gives you a general outline.
 

2 minutes ago, Arnie said:

Do you still maintain toilet flushes go in opposite directions - North and South?

I do not maintain anything, its provable beyond whether I think it or believe it.

 

[Arnie]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Is ice different to water? or is it still H20?

 

It is different to water and still H2O. Is a bass wave a treble wave? The generic term is EM radiation of which light occupies a small section.  Even if you stretch the terminology to include IR and UV as "light", Radio waves are not light and neither are Cosmic rays.

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Arnie said:

Radio waves are not light and neither are Cosmic rays.

Ok this is genuinely all off topic and getting painful at this point.  Wifi is light too yes. What determines the wavelength? its speed of vibration.
 

1 minute ago, Arnie said:

Is a bass wave a treble wave?

What do you mean by bass wave? do you mean sound?

[Arnie]

Just now, TheConsultant said:

It uses infrared to send information to a receiver where it is decoded. 

 

I don't need you to explain to me how it works. The red light is a visible light used to inform the user that the IR invisible part is being sent. Therefore suggesting that the red light is IR light, as you have done, is not true.

 

Just now, TheConsultant said:

I do not maintain anything, its provable beyond whether I think it or believe it.

 

It is provably an urban myth, exactly as I said and for reasons I explained in depth.

[webtrekker]

5 minutes ago, Arnie said:

The light on the remote is not the sending mechanism, it is used to show that the button has activated a circuit. It uses the visible light spectrum, hence the reason you see it. 

 

Wow! So you can see infrared light? A-ma-zing! Note that the 'light' that has been mentioned is from the INFRARED LED in the remote, not the RED LED that acts as a visual cue that a button has been pressed.

 

 

 

[Talorgan]

Centrifugal spin sunwise and deasil in North and  South of Equator 

[Arnie]

Yes, off topic and painful. I'm done on this.

 

 

 

 

 

[Arnie]

1 minute ago, webtrekker said:

 

Wow! So you can see infrared light? A-ma-zing! Note that the 'light' that has been mentioned is from the INFRARED LED in the remote, not the RED LED that acts as a visual cue that a button has been pressed.

 

You're asking the wrong person. Your description of what happens is what I have been saying. No, you cannot see IR, you can see the visual cue light though.

[TheConsultant]

2 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

Wow! So you can see infrared light? A-ma-zing! Note that the 'light' that has been mentioned is from the INFRARED LED in the remote, not the RED LED that acts as a visual cue that a button has been pressed.

genuine question to you and anyone else reading, I was explaining it correctly and simply right?

[TheConsultant]

2 minutes ago, Arnie said:

you cannot see IR

No, YOU cannot see it, but other things can such as a camera lens. Its still light. All the best to you!

[webtrekker]

2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

genuine question to you and anyone else reading, I was explaining it correctly and simply right?

 

Sounded fine to me.