Everything to do with masks / face coverings

[mapman]

1 hour ago, vinny79 said:

Many thanks everyone

 

my work are saying no mask no problem

 

have this silly shield instead

What was the original reason, comfort or the principle of wearing one? If it was comfort then, yeah, you are probably better off with that stupid visor but if it was for the principle then you are no better off.

 

I wear one in shops because it’s the law but I refuse to wear them where it isn’t law. It’s surprising how many places are creeping towards the assumption you should have one on all the time e.g. primary school playground, on the high street etc.

[vinny79]

It is the principle.

 

i am like all of us a free man/woman

 

someone telling me I have to do this or that irks me

 

i have pretty much avoided shops since March.

 

i appreciate everyone’s responses

 

i guess we all feel the same way

[The Illuminator]

3 hours ago, vinny79 said:

Many thanks everyone

 

my work are saying no mask no problem

 

have this silly shield instead

 

I've wore the shield as a compromise when administering flu vaccinations but every other time I have nothing on.

 

Now, masks and shields can be considered the same thing. So if you really wanted to you could dig your heels in.  Talk to your boss about health equality act and disability act 2010, forbidding them to be discriminatory towards anyone with exemption.

[The Illuminator]

1 hour ago, mapman said:

What was the original reason, comfort or the principle of wearing one? If it was comfort then, yeah, you are probably better off with that stupid visor but if it was for the principle then you are no better off.

 

I wear one in shops because it’s the law but I refuse to wear them where it isn’t law. It’s surprising how many places are creeping towards the assumption you should have one on all the time e.g. primary school playground, on the high street etc.

 

Mate. Why you wearing one in shops? Do you have a reasonable excuse for exemption? Literally anyone who doesn't want to wear one doesnt have to. 

 

Stop with all this nonsense. More of us de mask the better. If you want to avoid confrontation etc that's another matter. But it's not mandatory law wearing them in shops.

[mapman]

21 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

 

Mate. Why you wearing one in shops? Do you have a reasonable excuse for exemption? Literally anyone who doesn't want to wear one doesnt have to. 

 

Stop with all this nonsense. More of us de mask the better. If you want to avoid confrontation etc that's another matter. But it's not mandatory law wearing them in shops.

I won’t be turned into a liar in order to avoid the mask nonsense. That might sound a bit soft but I believe that we’ve got to retain our self respect and for me that means being morally in the right. Unless I’m with my son, I don’t have an honest exemption. I tell people that I hate wearing the mask and I ensure that no MF will make me wear one in a situation where it isn’t legally required. I argue against them all the time. 
 

I won’t put one of those ridiculous lanyards or passes on either.

Edited November 8, 2020 by mapman

[The Illuminator]

32 minutes ago, mapman said:

I won’t be turned into a liar in order to avoid the mask nonsense. That might sound a bit soft but I believe that we’ve got to retain our self respect and for me that means being morally in the right. Unless I’m with my son, I don’t have an honest exemption. I tell people that I hate wearing the mask and I ensure that no MF will make me wear one in a situation where it isn’t legally required. I argue against them all the time. 
 

I won’t put one of those ridiculous lanyards or passes on either.

 

Mate. I tried to explain this to the missus who was of the same viewpoint. Ahe felt guilty and that she was lying. Until I carefully explained to her that it's not lying a d showed her the long list of exemptions. Do you like wearing a mask? Cos if you dont then that's an exemption. I wont wear, lanyards or stickers saying I'm exempt. I have never worn a mask and today was literally the 1st time anyone approached me.

 

More of us refuse to wear a mask the more people will see this scamdemic for what it is.

 

The mask is a symbol of subjugation and a sign that you believe into the plandemic. So sorry to say bud, you do out cause no good by wearing it. Its literally one of the only things we can do and have control over. That and try talk to as many strangers about what's going on.

[mapman]

19 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

 

Mate. I tried to explain this to the missus who was of the same viewpoint. Ahe felt guilty and that she was lying. Until I carefully explained to her that it's not lying a d showed her the long list of exemptions. Do you like wearing a mask? Cos if you dont then that's an exemption. I wont wear, lanyards or stickers saying I'm exempt. I have never worn a mask and today was literally the 1st time anyone approached me.

 

More of us refuse to wear a mask the more people will see this scamdemic for what it is.

 

The mask is a symbol of subjugation and a sign that you believe into the plandemic. So sorry to say bud, you do out cause no good by wearing it. Its literally one of the only things we can do and have control over. That and try talk to as many strangers about what's going on.

Where is the exemption that says you don’t have to wear it if you don’t like it?

 

It’s not about feeling guilty at all, it’s about not being forced to be a liar to falsely claim something that is written into that law. By claiming a false exemption you are still validating that law you see.

 

I resist the mask all the time, I make it known. I’d have more respect for someone who stands up and says “I won’t wear a mask because it’s BS” than someone who says “I won’t wear a mask because [insert false exemption here]”. 
 

I wish I could just outright refuse but personal circumstances mean I don’t want the fine/attention from the police.

[Beaujangles]

2 minutes ago, mapman said:

Where is the exemption that says you don’t have to wear it if you don’t like it?

 

It’s not about feeling guilty at all, it’s about not being forced to be a liar to falsely claim something that is written into that law. By claiming a false exemption you are still validating that law you see.

 

I resist the mask all the time, I make it known. I’d have more respect for someone who stands up and says “I won’t wear a mask because it’s BS” than someone who says “I won’t wear a mask because [insert false exemption here]”. 
 

I wish I could just outright refuse but personal circumstances mean I don’t want the fine/attention from the police.

 

 

Ive been approached a few times here in Canada.  Sometimes I have been asked if I have a mask...and I`ve simply said `No`and kept walking.

 

Another couple of occasions were as follows:

 

`Oh Ill get you a mask``    To which I replied `Oh please dont bother - I dont need one``  The response was `` Oh thats ok we aren`t allowed to ask your health details (quite right, so problem solved)

 

`Have you forgotten your mask``   Me: No.  Q: Well I see youre not wearing one``  Me: `Yes, clearly I am not wearing one``  `Q:  Is it for a health reason``   Me: Absolutely!  

 

Now as I see it... I actually do have a health reason that is medical...BUT I also have a health reason insofar as I have done my homework and know that masks are NOT good for our health. May I suggest you simply say when confronted:  `` It is for a health reason.   Problem solved..no lying as you see it...just a simple TRUTH.

[mapman]

@Beaujangles

 

Thats Canada, I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue. I’m not going to kid myself pretending I have a disability to get out of it like a school kid.

[Niknik]

16 minutes ago, mapman said:

@Beaujangles

 

Thats Canada, I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue. I’m not going to kid myself pretending I have a disability to get out of it like a school kid.

 

That's right you go and wear your submission muzzle like a good little soldier!

 

Might get a gold/yellow star.

 

When will the sheep be removing them?

 

When the Fuhrer commands it,ie NEVER! if the moral cowards continue to lay down.

 

"While the COWARDS submit,

We are left in the shit!"

 

 

 

 

[Ziggy Sawdust]

1 hour ago, mapman said:

@Beaujangles

 

Thats Canada, I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue. I’m not going to kid myself pretending I have a disability to get out of it like a school kid.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by Ziggy Sawdust

[DarianF]

10 hours ago, TheAwakened said:

I saw someone wear those face shields the other day. Its retarded. 

 

All these companies are making a massive profit off of false "science" its more of a belief system now than anything "real"

 

 

 

Face shield garbage: https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-face-shields-a-quick-guide

[DarianF]

10 hours ago, vinny79 said:

And it continues 

 

in in my workplace of about 200

 

masks will be mandatory of of next week

 

anyone have any further advice

 

i know for sure someone has already been told they need to prove exemption

 

madness

 

this is a big company.  Known across the uk and the world

 

Have you got an original work contract that you signed? Is there anything in that contract that says or suggests they can force you to wear a face covering or anything like that? Maybe there is something in the contract you can use in your favour, especially if you signed it before this Covid BS came in.

[vinny79]

2 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Have you got an original work contract that you signed? Is there anything in that contract that says or suggests they can force you to wear a face covering or anything like that? Maybe there is something in the contract you can use in your favour, especially if you signed it before this Covid BS came in.

I still have it despite it being 20’years old

 

no nothing In there lol

[DarianF]

3 minutes ago, vinny79 said:

I still have it despite it being 20’years old

 

no nothing In there lol

 

I know you're in the UK, but you may want to dig through the Australian workplace law equivalent for any clues as to your options. Ours says: "Different states and territories may have different rules about wearing face masks or coverings at work, depending on whether an enforceable government direction applies. Make sure you check any enforceable government directions in your state or territory." https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/health-and-safety-in-the-workplace-during-coronavirus/protecting-employees-and-customers-during-coronavirus

 

So I imagine you have something very similar. And I guess if there is an "enforceable government direction" in place, you may be screwed.

[Bombadil]

Know this has probably been posted before but makes it quite clear:

When you do not need to wear a face covering

In settings where face coverings are required in England, there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering. From 5 November, see the guidance on national restrictions to find out which of these settings remain open to the public.

Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances, noting that some people are less able to wear face coverings, and that the reasons for this may not be visible to others.

This includes (but is not limited to):

• children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
• people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
• where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
• if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate
• to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity
• police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public

Look at point 3. This covers anyone who doesn’t want to wear a face mask in my opinion. No one can prove you wouldn’t be affected by severe stress.

You wouldn’t be lying as severe stress can take effect an enormous amount of different ways. Being uncomfortable wearing a mask or visor is still very stressful if you do not wish to do so. The unseen mental health effects are also a valid excuse to refuse even on moral grounds. How you feel can definitely negatively affect your interactions with friends and loved ones, so causing you distress or stress.

Just my thoughts though.  
 

The legal system is not quite precise about face coverings. As usual all British law or advice is so open to interpretation it’s ridiculous. Otherwise the government and their cronies wouldn’t be able to carry on as usual and then bullshit their way out.

[The Illuminator]

4 hours ago, mapman said:

Where is the exemption that says you don’t have to wear it if you don’t like it?

 

It’s not about feeling guilty at all, it’s about not being forced to be a liar to falsely claim something that is written into that law. By claiming a false exemption you are still validating that law you see.

 

I resist the mask all the time, I make it known. I’d have more respect for someone who stands up and says “I won’t wear a mask because it’s BS” than someone who says “I won’t wear a mask because [insert false exemption here]”. 
 

I wish I could just outright refuse but personal circumstances mean I don’t want the fine/attention from the police.

 

Map man. Please dont take any offense at my words on this post. I intend not to. I hear you loud and clear.

 

You calling me hypocrite, I'm calling you hypocrite.

 

Who is the biggest hypocrite? Who makes more impact with their actions?

 

I wear no mask and try to converse with people. I'm hoping loads of people see me and think, fuck I'm not wearing one either

 

You submit to overlords and bitch under your mask. You gonna bitch when they jab you in the arm? Or you gonna use equality and disability act like I am now?

 

I will not wear a mask for its symbolism. You dont see that. That worries me. Why cant you see what the mask represents?

 

You ask what exemption I have and is it a lie.

 

Do you know it says reasonable excuse without anyone being able to question it. So fuck your ethics mate. Stop wearing the gimp slave mask. My exemption is that the mask affects my devilishly good looks. Who the fuck are you to argue otherwise?

[DarianF]

3 hours ago, mapman said:

@Beaujangles

 

Thats Canada, I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue. I’m not going to kid myself pretending I have a disability to get out of it like a school kid.

 

@mapmanYou say, "I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue" - May I ask, what precisely are you referring to? Which part of UK law?

[The Illuminator]

Thanks Darian. I forgot to mention that in my post.

 

What exact law are you referring to Map Man when you say it's a legal law to wear face masks.

 

Remember you words will determine whether you are considered a shill or not.

 

We have so many on here. Please David tell us why we had 1000s of dead bodies in NYC ffs. Dont make it too obvious bud. Let us work for our money

[John Connor]

Are you exempt?

 

Or are you FREE?

[Fluke]

Well one of the exemptions were if i am correct "if it causes one severe distress". Call me a snowflake all you want but it does cause me severe distress so no guilt on my part.  

 

If it causes other people distress my birth face then too bad. If they must consume the msm then too bad. 

 

A lot of us including those that have been allowed onto msm radio shows have tried to warn people and they have been shouted down as crazy. Negative. 

 

Negative and crazy for trying to warn them a train is coming down the track and its about to hit us. 

 

Fuck the stupid rules. No guilt on this end. The guilt should be on the civil servents, the thickos policing it and the scumbag evil evil evil low IQ incompetent complicit mainstream media. 

 

I hope they rot for the rest of their lives. 

[Bombadil]

Fl

6 hours ago, Fluke said:

Well one of the exemptions were if i am correct "if it causes one severe distress". Call me a snowflake all you want but it does cause me severe distress so no guilt on my part.  

 

If it causes other people distress my birth face then too bad. If they must consume the msm then too bad. 

 

A lot of us including those that have been allowed onto msm radio shows have tried to warn people and they have been shouted down as crazy. Negative. 

 

Negative and crazy for trying to warn them a train is coming down the track and its about to hit us. 

 

Fuck the stupid rules. No guilt on this end. The guilt should be on the civil servents, the thickos policing it and the scumbag evil evil evil low IQ incompetent complicit mainstream media. 

 

I hope they rot for the rest of their lives. 

Hi Fluke, the post I wrote above refers to the you gov site rules of the U.K. You are absolutely right, you are exempt because of distress. As I said before distress is enormously open to quantification and opinion. You’re stress may not be mine for example. No one has the right to determine what and how much you find something stressful.

Yet again gov advice makes that clear. There are NO LAWS saying you need to wear one. 

[Orange Alert]

Dim-witted police officers, not fit to be parking wardens, in Sainsburys over stepping the mark, harrasing, unlawful interferance and threatening to assault (unlawful arrest) someone with a medical excemption for not wearing a face covering. Also the standard BS apology from police management afterwards. Time for some sackings, legal redress and compensation!

 

 

Covid-19: Police apology over Sainsbury's face mask exemption demand

 

Police have apologised after forcing a man to leave a supermarket because he could not prove he was exempt from wearing a face mask.

The incident is believed to have occurred at a Sainsbury's store in Oldbury last month.

In a video posted on social media, several officers can be seen confronting the man, who said he was exempt due to a medical condition.

West Midlands Police said the officers were wrong to demand proof of this.

In the mobile phone footage, which has attracted thousands of comments, one officer told the man: "If you can't provide proof... you will be forcibly removed from the store."

This was "incorrect" and the officers had "misinterpreted the guidance", the force added.

Face masks became mandatory in shops in England in July, but there are exemptions for those with a physical or mental illness or disability.

'Distress and upset'

The government regulations state that people "do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this" and "do not need show an exemption card", although a note can be downloaded from its website.

Some disability groups have called on the government to introduce a recognised exemption badge because of the abuse some have faced at the hands of other shoppers.

West Midlands Police said the officers had been spoken to regarding their understanding of the current legislation.

"We sincerely apologise for any distress and upset we have caused to the man and his wife," it said.

"These are unprecedented times and we're all adapting to the new legislation and guidance which has changed many times during the pandemic."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54862625

Edited November 9, 2020 by Orange Alert

[Brad the lad]

17 hours ago, mapman said:

What was the original reason, comfort or the principle of wearing one? If it was comfort then, yeah, you are probably better off with that stupid visor but if it was for the principle then you are no better off.

 

I wear one in shops because it’s the law but I refuse to wear them where it isn’t law. It’s surprising how many places are creeping towards the assumption you should have one on all the time e.g. primary school playground, on the high street etc.

 

It's NOT law..it's legislation. It is only law with your consent (which you obviously do by the way).

 

EVERYONE in the World is medically exempt (both phsically and emontionally). It is just that some have worse symptoms than others!

 

It's UNNATURAL to wear a mask for long periods and therfore you are NOT lying (if you are concerned regarding your morals to other people). 

 

Protecting the future generations freedom is the only moral worth having right now. Everything else is an act (pun intended).

[Beaujangles]

19 hours ago, mapman said:

@Beaujangles

 

Thats Canada, I’m in the U.K. dealing with the legal system here which is quite precise about the face coverings issue. I’m not going to kid myself pretending I have a disability to get out of it like a school kid.

 

 

I am also British as well as Canadian ( hows that for convenience). I was in the UK during March and April at the height of this lunacy. I did not wear a mask. I also fought again a rule that was saying I could not see my dying mother in a care home. If you think I was behaving like a school kid then I take offence. Let me tell you.... unless you grow a spine that supports you, you will forever be like a kid in a playground. I dont like to sound harsh, but seriously, if you continue to go around like a muzzled numbskull you cant expect much else from people who see it for what it is.  I laid out a fact to you... it is a health issue.... you still continue to play games....

 

So either remove the mask and carry the weight of some heavier balls or continue in fairyland.... but dont say you havent been advised. 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Beaujangles