Beaujangles Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 12:09 PM, Jason greeves said: I walked in a coffee shop today in Stamford, Lincolnshire and was told to wear mask. I said no and chatted to the boss. I explained to that him that he wanted me to wear a mask when you order coffee. I then have to walk 2 foot away and sit down at a table where I don't need a mask. The staff wasn't wearing any either. He got ratty and told me to leave. I told him there was no virus and he laughed, then every one in the cafe were calling and cursing me. We have a long way to go yet. The trouble is, they are scared sheep which stick together I also think that people feel they have no control over their lives and enjoy controlling others to give themselves a degree of control over something. It is insanity... I still dont wear a mask.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickofallthebollocks Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said: Another video which demonstrates how ineffective masks are - this time using a vape. For those in a hurry, the demonstration starts at around 7:25. Brilliant Demo! well found Eve! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Storm in the garden said: To be honest, I'm getting a bit tired of the "well I don't believe in masks but everyone is wearing them so..." attitude. And there is no use complaining that "most people are out there wearing masks" because most people are sheep and don't know any better, but we should. Conformity is a type of social influence involving a change in belief or behaviour in order to fit in with a group. This change is in response to real (involving the physical presence of others) or imagined (involving the pressure of social norms / expectations) group pressure Informational Conformity This usually occurs when a person lacks knowledge and looks to the group for guidance. Dame Cressida Dick hopes shoppers who refuse to wear masks will be "shamed" into compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Hopefully member Illuminator doesn't mind, but they just posted this on the launderette thread. Which I thought was a great idea. Remember StandUpX did the supermarket raid. Imagine if they did a mask medical exemption card drive outside the supermarket "I have printed and laminated over 100 mask exemption cards now, and gave out to needy people. The amount of people who didn't realise that there were exemptions is unbelievable. The MSM have done wonders in not informing their sheep of them. Not to worry. I'm spreading the gospel of medical exemption " 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, BlueSky said: Hopefully member Illuminator doesn't mind, but they just posted this on the launderette thread. Which I thought was a great idea. Remember StandUpX did the supermarket raid. Imagine if they did a mask medical exemption card drive outside the supermarket "I have printed and laminated over 100 mask exemption cards now, and gave out to needy people. The amount of people who didn't realise that there were exemptions is unbelievable. The MSM have done wonders in not informing their sheep of them. Not to worry. I'm spreading the gospel of medical exemption " Out of likes Bluesky Of course I dont mind. I'm hoping I'm not the only person doing it. It might be a good idea to raise to standupX if they are not already doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Illuminator said: Out of likes Bluesky Of course I dont mind. I'm hoping I'm not the only person doing it. It might be a good idea to raise to standupX if they are not already doing it. I've just put the suggestion up on their Fakebook wall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, BlueSky said: I've just put the suggestion up on their Fakebook wall! Ooh yes mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, The Illuminator said: The amount of people who didn't realise that there were exemptions is unbelievable. Just told a mate on whatsapp earlier, he didn't even have a clue about exemptions! When I said I don't wear the M_word, he was like how do you go shopping? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, shadowmoon said: Just told a mate on whatsapp earlier, he didn't even have a clue about exemptions! When I said I don't wear the M_word, he was like how do you go shopping? Unbelievable isnt it mate. How uninformed the general populace are. Fucking MSM junkies. I despair at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, shadowmoon said: Conformity is a type of social influence involving a change in belief or behaviour in order to fit in with a group. This change is in response to real (involving the physical presence of others) or imagined (involving the pressure of social norms / expectations) group pressure Informational Conformity This usually occurs when a person lacks knowledge and looks to the group for guidance. Dame Cressida Dick hopes shoppers who refuse to wear masks will be "shamed" into compliance. This is true, however after living a life of conforming with the herd it's already too late and when they are confronted with the truth they just stick their fingers in their ears and go la,la la, la la. We already know the truth and so we can't un-know it? It would be like trying to re-believe in Santa (sorry kids if you're reading this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Storm in the garden said: This is true, however after living a life of conforming with the herd it's already too late and when they are confronted with the truth they just stick their fingers in their ears and go la,la la, la la. We already know the truth and so we can't un-know it? It would be like trying to re-believe in Santa (sorry kids if you're reading this) I Still don't know why the conformity programming failed on me. I couldn't do it even as a kid, though I'm nothing special. Its like we have an extra part they lack? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartSpirit Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I went to a different supermarket chain today to try out my exemption card and it worked fine, nobody said anything. I was quite surprised as during lockdown they had Gestapo type security on the door and you had to wear gloves and use gel. This time I was with an older friend who was fully masked. She is 70 and has breathing problems so after her seeing that I was not challenged in any way, I asked her if she’d like me to print her an exemption card for when she has problems. Her reply was no thanks, I only really have difficulty when bending to empty my basket. I knew it was useless to inform her about the dangers of masks as she only believes the government or MSM. I give up, my friends who don’t like wearing masks but still choose to do so, look disapprovingly at me when I manage to do my shopping and go out unmasked, but I think they’re probably just jealous . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, BlueSky said: Hopefully member Illuminator doesn't mind, but they just posted this on the launderette thread. Which I thought was a great idea. Remember StandUpX did the supermarket raid. Imagine if they did a mask medical exemption card drive outside the supermarket "I have printed and laminated over 100 mask exemption cards now, and gave out to needy people. The amount of people who didn't realise that there were exemptions is unbelievable. The MSM have done wonders in not informing their sheep of them. Not to worry. I'm spreading the gospel of medical exemption " It's a good idea however the only problem is the possibility that if large numbers adopt this stance they may bring out a new exemption ID which must be signed off by a doctor or psychiatrist? They can move the goalposts any time they choose. I personally believe that the masks issue is going to fade into the background anyway much the same as BLM, because it will have served it's purpose which was to keep people occupied with covid in the "lean time" of deaths due to flu. Once we head towards winter they will have their "death numbers" again, which will lead to more lockdowns. This is why I'd advise people to stock up on food, because supply lines and processing are going to be hit hard IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm in the garden Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, shadowmoon said: I Still don't know why the conformity programming failed on me. I couldn't do it even as a kid, though I'm nothing special. Its like we have an extra part they lack? It's called being curious and inquisitive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said: It's called being curious and inquisitive Yes that is true. Though I do wonder if there is a spiritual side to it as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 "focussing on implementation, we should shift from the medical narrative to one that views face coverings as social practice." https://twitter.com/HeleneMarivdW/status/1296339410552786945 They just don't stop with their dirty tricks do they! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 ^^^ I think she's grasping at straws. Social practice?! FGS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 The trouble Is I don't know which source to believe and I can't trust the MSM obviously. Is there any science that can back masks up? Can someone direct me to the right place or have any links on the "science" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy Talk Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Regarding the science, soon after lockdown Fauci said masks were unnecessary, while Vallance said the scientific evidence regarding their efficacy 'was weak'. Fast forward 3 or 4 months and they'd both done a 180 on their initial comments. Given their respective experience, for them both to backtrack so completely it's safe to say someone had a word and warned them to 'get with the agenda'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) @Shy Talk yes I recall that. I have no doubt they are useless. I was debating someone on YouTube and he sent me these links, government 'approved' no doubt. Haven't had the chance to read them fully yet. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent Why did the CDC change its guidance on wearing masks? The original CDC guidance partly was based on what was thought to be low disease prevalence earlier in the pandemic, said Chin-Hong. “So, of course, you’re preaching that the juice isn’t really worth the squeeze to have the whole population wear masks in the beginning – but that was really a reflection of not having enough testing, anyway,” he said. “We were getting a false sense of security.” Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said. Another factor “is that culturally, the U.S. wasn’t really prepared to wear masks,” unlike some countries in Asia where the practice is more common, said Chin-Hong. Even now, some Americans are choosing to ignore CDC guidance and local mandates on masks, a hesitation that Chin-Hong says is “foolhardy.” Edited August 20, 2020 by Fluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitochondrial Eve Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Fluke said: @Shy Talk yes I recall that. I have no doubt they are useless. I was debating someone on YouTube and he sent me these links, government 'approved' no doubt. Haven't had the chance to read them fully yet. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ The excellent Swiss Propaganda website has a page which reviews evidence for and against face masks. So far, most studies have found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. When it comes to the evidence which support masks, these studies appear to be of very poor quality. Some recent studies argued that cloth face masks are indeed effective against the new coronavirus and could at least prevent the infection of other people. However, most of these studies suffer from poor methodology and sometimes show the opposite of what they claim. Typically, these studies ignore the effect of other measures, the natural development of infection numbers, changes in test activity, or they compare countries with very different conditions This criticism includes the following studies cited in the article provided to you via the guy on Youtube: 'Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US'. According to Swiss Propaganda Research, "the study did not take into account that the incidence of infection was already declining in most states at that time. A comparison with other states was not made." 'Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020).' The criticism of this study is that it "compared African, Latin American, Asian and Eastern European countries with very different infection rates and population structures". I would suggest that other evidence also presented in the article is pretty weak and clutching at straws: The forecast from the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation is just a prediction and not evidence of what has gone before - surely it has been well established by now how inaccurate Neil Ferguson's forecasts have been from Swine Flu, BSE and Foot and Mouth to Covid-19. The article cites a couple of case reports - of individual patients - which are hardly comparible to a proper controlled study involving a larger group of patients. According to the following link, a case report (of which several can be combined to make a case series) "is purely descriptive and cannot be used to make inferences about the general population of patients with that disease" (https://www.primidi.com/epidemiology/types_of_studies/case_series). Regarding the aerosol issue, due to their large pore size and poor fit, cloth masks cannot filter out aerosols - I posted Dr Ted Noel's demonstration of this a couple of days ago on this thread but it is also linked to by Swiss Propaganda Research. And perhaps you should ask the guy who sent you that article his thoughts on why it doesn't specifically examine, for a more balanced perspective: (1) the evidence which does not support wearing of face masks; (2) the risks associated with face coverings and; (3) why no risk vs benefits comparison is carried out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 This appeared on my youtube homepage this morning... (tl;dw ...he concludes, "From my point of view mass mask adoption is almost certain to save some lives, and any downsides are, at least for the vast majority of people, negligible" ...any thoughts, comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Kala Namak said: This appeared on my youtube homepage this morning... (tl;dw ...he concludes, "From my point of view mass mask adoption is almost certain to save some lives, and any downsides are, at least for the vast majority of people, negligible" ...any thoughts, comments? Thanks for the reminder. I started following this guy Thoughty2 a couple of years back because he did have a few interesting videos. Although I'm still subscribed, I haven't watched any of late, as I became convinced he is some kind of shill just making 'click-bait' videos to get people watching and then 'drop the advert' at the end for whoever has 'sponsored' that video. But I made an effort to watch this one the other evening, and looked forward to a perhaps balanced and reasoned analysis. In the end, he's just pushing the narrative, that we should all be wearing masks. He must have been well paid to make this video, as I note there was no product promotion at the end, unless he's stopped this, like I said I've not watched any of his stuff for a couple of months now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 9:48 AM, shadowmoon said: I have tried, but I don't really bother now. its 2020 if they are still asleep after the last 8 months then nothing will awaken them. Tried to tell some family members we are run by an evil paedophile elite a few months ago.. got the reply "You watch to many Icke/youtube videos." It is now down to them to become aware (if they ever can) I have done my part. Yeah I'm feeling this as well. Like I have provided factual information to people, I can't really do much else. A couple of folk have listened but the majority haven't and a large number become very offended with me.... The worst are the new age psuedo spiritualists, accusing me of making the problem worse, because resistance only perpetuates the problem. Which is an interesting theory up to a point, where real people are dying as a result of this.... that's when I chuck theory out the window. And most of these people are sending love and light to gaia as their solution whilst they continue with their sub-par life coaching and healing professions........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Alert Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 7:04 PM, Grumpy Owl said: But you can clearly see the psychological impact all this government and media propaganda is having on everybody. Maybe its 'more convenient' for shoppers to just keep their mask on inbetween popping in and out of shops. Or maybe they really just think "its not safe" out there and this 'virus' could just spring out and attack them at any time. On that point, the government says you should avoid keep taking off and putting on a mask, for example, if popping in and out of shops on the High Street. Quote How to wear a face covering A face covering should: cover your nose and mouth while allowing you to breathe comfortably fit comfortably but securely against the side of the face be secured to the head with ties or ear loops be made of a material that you find to be comfortable and breathable, such as cotton ideally include at least two layers of fabric (the World Health Organisation recommends three depending on the fabric used) unless disposable, it should be able to be washed with other items of laundry according to fabric washing instructions and dried without causing the face covering to be damaged When wearing a face covering you should: wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water for 20 seconds or use hand sanitiser before putting a face covering on avoid wearing on your neck or forehead avoid touching the part of the face covering in contact with your mouth and nose, as it could be contaminated with the virus change the face covering if it becomes damp or if you’ve touched it avoid taking it off and putting it back on a lot in quick succession (for example, when leaving and entering shops on a high street) When removing a face covering: wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water for 20 seconds or use hand sanitiser before removing only handle the straps, ties or clips do not give it to someone else to use if single-use, dispose of it carefully in a residual waste bin and do not recycle if reusable, wash it in line with manufacturer’s instructions at the highest temperature appropriate for the fabric wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water for 20 seconds or use hand sanitiser once removed https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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