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38 minutes ago, shadowmoon said:
But most medical studies and experts suggest that the method, though accepted, is dangerous and should be retired. The idea behind it is to increase carbon dioxide levels. Hyperventilation causes the body to expel too much carbon dioxide, and “rebreathing” exhaled air helps restore that lost gas.13 May 2008
 

 

look at this one...

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/24/health-warning-face-masks-choking-risk-young-children-13033066/

 

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Research has indicated that young children are at much lower risk of falling ill with coronavirus

 

 

just 'research' : no back-up of any kind and it's enough for the media to establish 'facts' against all logic or scientific evidence... young children and elders are more vulnerable than adults but while getting rid of the old is a well accepted idea EVEN among the population, putting children's life in danger isn't... 

 

 

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On 8/11/2020 at 12:03 PM, MR-E said:
  1. The Hamburg Environmental Institute warned of the inhalation of chlorine compounds in polyester masks as well as problems in connection with face mask disposal.

 

Thank you for all the information, it is much appreciated. I am out of thanks/likes, but I will add one when I get a reload of them.

 

Inhalation of chlorine compounds is very interesting point and something I have wanted to discuss on here, about the material of the masks and the inhalation of chlorine/chemicals. I was given a brand new packet of 3 ply "surgical" masks, the blue and white [email protected] things, bought from a pharmacy so the mask should in theory be OK.    I did wear it and what I experienced is that the dusty atmosphere of the London Underground went straight through the front of the mask, this was esspecially apparent when on the platform with the blast of air when a train came into station. So, how does a surgical mask stop this COVID thing, which they talk about, either coming in or going out through the mask?   I had the mask on for a maximum of 30 minutes and I had to take it off several times, feeling my head spinning, as it was just too hot in the carriage, over 30 degrees C.    I noticed afterwards at home a burning sensation in the lungs, like I had inhaled something like chlorine.   An interesting experiment and something I will not do again.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, chud said:

No no, masks are 'safe' , that's what it means... I'm the one who's wrong and masks are SAFE so why this thread ?

 

Who is saying masks are safe ?
lt's not personal.
Again...chill, please   :O)

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13 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

I had the mask on for a maximum of 30 minutes and I had to take it off several times, feeling my head spinning, as it was just too hot in the carriage, over 30 degrees C.    I noticed afterwards at home a burning sensation in the lungs, like I had inhaled something like chlorine.   An interesting experiment and something I will not do again.


l'm surprised that people aren't dropping to the floor in droves here in the UK heat with masks on..

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18 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

Who is saying masks are safe ?
lt's not personal.
Again...chill, please   :O)

 

BC I'll not ask your age but I'm older than 55 and the OP must be in her 20's or 30's, anyway I hardly need anymore 'lesson' let alone insults…

 

I lately suggested here that it was better to wear the mask than put yourself in danger against a whole crowd, so whether this or something else there must have been something personal… 

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5503-coronavirus-mega-thread/page/165/&tab=comments#comment-148187

 

This isn't intended to you but I don't like hypocrisy so I'll do better than chilling by quitting posting here…  :classic_sad:

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Metaspiral said:

no mask since june 24th now never had a bad look or question, doesn't make shopping any less depressing though.Many still masked.

 

I was thinking yesterday this must be having a  detrimental effect on retail staff?

We can get in and get out and are gone.

The staff have to see depressed  and muzzled people  for an 8 hour  shift.

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1 hour ago, Metaspiral said:

remember "stress or anxiety" is on the gov list for not wearing one. SO not sure about getting fined up to £2300.we are winning if they have to up the scare tactics i guess..

 

First thing I thought of when I heard it on the radio news bulletin this morning.... The natives are getting restless, not complying, the government obviously  need to ramp up the fear factor to force them to comply....

 

Remember the SPI-B document for  the SAGE committee from March 22nd?

 

Here's an extract...

 

Persuasion

2. The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat (11).

 

Coercion
7.Compulsion: Experience with UK enforcement legislation such as compulsory seat belt use suggests that,with adequate preparation, rapid change can be achieved (16). Some other countries have introduced mandatory self-isolation on a wide scale without evidence of major public unrest and a large majority of the UK’s population appear to be supportive of more coercive measures. For example, 64% adults in Great Britain said they would support putting London under a ‘lock down’ (17). However, data from Italy and South Korea suggest that for aggressive protective measures to be effective, special attention should be devoted to those population groups that are more at risk (18). In addition, communities need to be engaged to minimise risk of negative effects. Consideration should be given to enacting legislation, with community involvement, to compel key social distancing measures.
8.Social disapproval: Social disapproval from one’s community can play an important role in preventing anti-social behaviour or discouraging failure to enact pro-social behaviour (15). However, this needs to be carefully managed to avoid victimisation, scapegoating and misdirected criticism. It needs to be accompanied by clear messaging and promotion of strong collective identity. Consideration should be given to use of social disapproval but with a strong caveat around unwanted negative consequences.

 

Remember folks, this is PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, don't bow down to this crap!

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Know anyone with a photocopier?  I have condensed alot of the information available on:

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

 

Managed to slim it down to 2 pages (so one single piece of a4 or a5 paper - double sided)  Get printing hundreds if u can - and hopefully you can do what I'm doing:

Print them off, put under the windscreen wipers of every car you see at the supermarket or anywhere, staple them up on lamposts, town notice boards, hand them out, deliver them through peoples doors in your local area, give a fiver each to your children or whatever to deliver loads for you.

I saved it to a word document but it's not letting me attach it to this post so I've just copied and pasted it:  (you can do the same just copy from here into word and then print/photocopy loads) Many thanks people:


 

NOTICE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC:
Your LEGAL RIGHTS & information that the government does NOT want you to know about YOUR RIGHTS NOT TO WEAR A FACE MASK.
The wearing of face masks have been totally debunked by the real scientists who have been silenced by your government, but also debunked by the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION.


CARRY THIS WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES
 – YOU DO NOT EVER NEED TO WEAR A FACE MASK.


The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020

The following is a legal document condensed for swift reading from:
http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/


Notice of EXEMPTION from requirement to wear a face covering

 

·To controllers and owners of premises

·To individuals working at those premises

 

 

1.    I have a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering

 

All UK regulations and government guidance imposing restrictions in response to Coronavirus have provided a “reasonable excuse” exemption.

·        Severe distress is given as one example of an acute immediate reaction. If the Police question you - then to say it would cause you “Severe distress” is an ENTIRELY acceptable and ‘reasonable excuse’.

 

·       To avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury Harm or injury, or risk of it.

·       People already suffering from, anxiety, generalised anxiety disorder, paranoia and depression among others mental impairments.

·       Asthma and many other respiratory conditions, many of which will not ordinarily be apparent to others.
 

 

2. Shops: Government advice is not to challenge people to wear face covering

This is for GOOD REASON. If a retailer or service provider do so, they & their employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000-section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000  see section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

3. Premises cannot challenge me about my decision not to wear a face covering


Shop, premises are not permitted to ask for a medical certificate.
The only people who are entitled to ask about whether someone has a reasonable excuse are:

·police officers
·police community support officers
·persons designated by local authorities for the purpose of enforcement
  If you are not such an enforcement officer, you will be likely to commit disability discrimination and harassment and    be ordered to pay compensation.


 

To controllers and owners of premises & individuals working at premises:
Information about disability discrimination (Under section 29 of the Equality Act 2010)
A service provider
must not discriminate against, harass or victimise a person because of, or for a reason associated with, a disability.Your  PERSONAL LIABILITY on summary conviction to pay a fine if requiring me to wear a face covering Under section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010,  IF:

·having been informed by me that, by reason of a disability, requiring me or another person to wear a face covering is a basic contravention of the Equality Act 2010;
·you make a false or misleading statement to the effect that requiring me or that other person to wear a face covering does not contravene the Equality Act 2010; and
·in view of all the information you have, you are considered knowingly or recklessly to have made that statement then you will personally be committing an offence and liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5000

Your PERSONAL LIABILITY to compensate me for injury to my feelings. In addition, by section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010 the Courts may to order you to pay damages and compensation for injured feelings as well as for any injury or loss. In relation to compensation for injury to feelings, judicial guidelines are that even the lowest awards will be in the range of £900 to £9,000

Shops, premises & service providers must support people who stand up for others with a disability The Equality Act 2010 prohibits unfavourable treatment of anyone because of, or for a reason related to disability.
The disability does not have to be theirs. If someone stands up for the rights of a person with a
disability not to wear a face covering and that someone is then subject to harassment or other unfavourable treatment, then they will be entitled to remedy and to compensation under the Act.

To the reader of this notice: Disclosure of disability
My rights and your legal duties and obligations.

I have given you notice separately of my reasonable excuse exemption under the Coronavirus regulations. The exemption in the Coronavirus regulations is not limited to avoidance of severe distress or only protecting those with long-term health conditions..
Having a ‘disability’ in the meaning of the Equality Act 2010 is not required for that exemption to apply.
It is,
therefore, not necessary for you to have any further information in relation to my health condition Nevertheless, I now disclose that I do suffer from a mental or physical impairment that is a ‘disability’ in the meaning of section 6(1) of the Equality Act 2010 and as a result of which I am at a substantial disadvantage arising from requirements to wear face coverings. (Section 212 of that Act defines ‘substantial’ as meaning“ more than minor or trivial”.)
As a result of the above, I am exempted from having to wear a face covering under the provisions of the Equality Act 2010.
I have offered for inspection a copy of this document which I carry with me in anticipation of being challenged about not wearing a face covering.
Your demand for details of my health condition
By section 119(5) and (6) of the Equality Act 2010, whether or not you have good intention towards me or any of your staff, customers, the government or to the public generally in requiring the wearing of face coverings, or whether you may mistakenly imagine you are required by law to insist I wear a face covering, is not relevant.

I consider your demand for details of my health condition to be an act of disability discrimination. Retention of relevant documents I hereby give you notice of a dispute and my intention to pursue legal claim for compensation in respect of your requirement for the wearing of a face covering. Please note that you have a legal obligation to retain and not to destroy or alter any records that may be relevant to this dispute.
This includes any video or CCTV
recordings which show my interaction with you or any of your staff or customers where the wearing of a face covering appears likely to be subject of that interaction.

Added information NOT extracted from www.laworfiction.com:
YOU ARE BEING MUZZLED TO KEEP YOU QUIET AND IN FEAR
You do not need to acquiesce to tyranny.

Think twice before trusting the misinformation spewed out from the BBC and other large news corporations – they are telling you only what their corporate masters let them tell you,  Look at communist China – this is what they want for the world.    The truth is out there – this is the long haul takeover of the world after the failed attempt of world war 2,Do not let your forefathers deaths during this time be for nothing.
PLEASE - WAKE UP.


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Here's how it looks when printed - - if doing double sided then only 1 bit of paper needed - could get 2 on each a4 paper if choosing to print/copy in a5 - double sided.

 

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Hi, first time post here so go easy on me. I've followed David for many years and really apreciated his voice and at the beginning of this scam, I realized I had to check him out on youtube to start to make sense of this farce, as the mainstream media clearly were not telling us the real story and as usual, were not questioning these "scientists" properly.

It's like they've dug a massive hole and can't get out so they are now just carrying on digging deeper and deeper, they are now quietly altering the figures, cos everyone knows they are phoney and it makes people realize that it's a complete hoax. (the multiple counting of "cases")

 

Anyway, I have something to say about Hot UK DEALS, who have promoted many mask deals, allowing people on there to defend the wearing of them ie Sheeple

but I have wanted to air my views about the possible dangers, one of the latest being Dentists speaking out about "Mask Mouth"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604639/Dentists-says-mask-wearing-causing-tooth-decay-gum-disease.html

 

I've tried my best to give my opinion on the imbalance and some good evidence about those speaking out (the 640 doctors, the 1m German protests) , but the team censors me everytime

I've basically been suspended now because I was trying to persuade them to ban mask posts, warning them that they may be breaking certain laws and regulations such as the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive 2005 with bias and persuading impressionable people these things are good when they are not (both physically and mentally)

They forcibly wanted to change my username too, as I wanted "thegreatscamdemicof2020" haha, they didn't like that, even though I've seen other users with strong hints for usernames.

I think all my posts have been wiped out now, for my stance on this issue of HUKD promoting the mask by censorship and allowing comments that support the narrative. (This is obviously one of the ways why people are being suckered in to buying the mussles, made even worse now by the ridiculous increase in fines to £3k, I don't care if this is £1m fine, I aint wearing the things, I am exempt, as are everyone on the planet. In the UK, we don't need to wear one, as the guidance says "severe distress" as a reasonable excuse to not wear one, as we've ALL suffered from this attack of psychological operations)

HUKD showed no moral backbone whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Know anyone with a photocopier?  I have condensed alot of the information available on:

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

 

Managed to slim it down to 2 pages (so one single piece of a4 or a5 paper - double sided)  Get printing hundreds if u can - and hopefully you can do what I'm doing:

Print them off, put under the windscreen wipers of every car you see at the supermarket or anywhere, staple them up on lamposts, town notice boards, hand them out, deliver them through peoples doors in your local area, give a fiver each to your children or whatever to deliver loads for you.

I saved it to a word document but it's not letting me attach it to this post so I've just copied and pasted it:  (you can do the same just copy from here into word and then print/photocopy loads) Many thanks people:


 

NOTICE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC:
Your LEGAL RIGHTS & information that the government does NOT want you to know about YOUR RIGHTS NOT TO WEAR A FACE MASK.
The wearing of face masks have been totally debunked by the real scientists who have been silenced by your government, but also debunked by the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION.


CARRY THIS WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES
 – YOU DO NOT EVER NEED TO WEAR A FACE MASK.


The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020

The following is a legal document condensed for swift reading from:
http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/


Notice of EXEMPTION from requirement to wear a face covering

 

·To controllers and owners of premises

·To individuals working at those premises

 

 

1.    I have a reasonable excuse not to wear a face covering

 

All UK regulations and government guidance imposing restrictions in response to Coronavirus have provided a “reasonable excuse” exemption.

·        Severe distress is given as one example of an acute immediate reaction. If the Police question you - then to say it would cause you “Severe distress” is an ENTIRELY acceptable and ‘reasonable excuse’.

 

·       To avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury Harm or injury, or risk of it.

·       People already suffering from, anxiety, generalised anxiety disorder, paranoia and depression among others mental impairments.

·       Asthma and many other respiratory conditions, many of which will not ordinarily be apparent to others.
 

 

2. Shops: Government advice is not to challenge people to wear face covering

This is for GOOD REASON. If a retailer or service provider do so, they & their employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000-section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000  see section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

3. Premises cannot challenge me about my decision not to wear a face covering


Shop, premises are not permitted to ask for a medical certificate.
The only people who are entitled to ask about whether someone has a reasonable excuse are:

·police officers
·police community support officers
·persons designated by local authorities for the purpose of enforcement
  If you are not such an enforcement officer, you will be likely to commit disability discrimination and harassment and    be ordered to pay compensation.


 

To controllers and owners of premises & individuals working at premises:
Information about disability discrimination (Under section 29 of the Equality Act 2010)
A service provider
must not discriminate against, harass or victimise a person because of, or for a reason associated with, a disability.Your  PERSONAL LIABILITY on summary conviction to pay a fine if requiring me to wear a face covering Under section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010,  IF:

·having been informed by me that, by reason of a disability, requiring me or another person to wear a face covering is a basic contravention of the Equality Act 2010;
·you make a false or misleading statement to the effect that requiring me or that other person to wear a face covering does not contravene the Equality Act 2010; and
·in view of all the information you have, you are considered knowingly or recklessly to have made that statement then you will personally be committing an offence and liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5000

Your PERSONAL LIABILITY to compensate me for injury to my feelings. In addition, by section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010 the Courts may to order you to pay damages and compensation for injured feelings as well as for any injury or loss. In relation to compensation for injury to feelings, judicial guidelines are that even the lowest awards will be in the range of £900 to £9,000

Shops, premises & service providers must support people who stand up for others with a disability The Equality Act 2010 prohibits unfavourable treatment of anyone because of, or for a reason related to disability.
The disability does not have to be theirs. If someone stands up for the rights of a person with a
disability not to wear a face covering and that someone is then subject to harassment or other unfavourable treatment, then they will be entitled to remedy and to compensation under the Act.

To the reader of this notice: Disclosure of disability
My rights and your legal duties and obligations.

I have given you notice separately of my reasonable excuse exemption under the Coronavirus regulations. The exemption in the Coronavirus regulations is not limited to avoidance of severe distress or only protecting those with long-term health conditions..
Having a ‘disability’ in the meaning of the Equality Act 2010 is not required for that exemption to apply.
It is,
therefore, not necessary for you to have any further information in relation to my health condition Nevertheless, I now disclose that I do suffer from a mental or physical impairment that is a ‘disability’ in the meaning of section 6(1) of the Equality Act 2010 and as a result of which I am at a substantial disadvantage arising from requirements to wear face coverings. (Section 212 of that Act defines ‘substantial’ as meaning“ more than minor or trivial”.)
As a result of the above, I am exempted from having to wear a face covering under the provisions of the Equality Act 2010.
I have offered for inspection a copy of this document which I carry with me in anticipation of being challenged about not wearing a face covering.
Your demand for details of my health condition
By section 119(5) and (6) of the Equality Act 2010, whether or not you have good intention towards me or any of your staff, customers, the government or to the public generally in requiring the wearing of face coverings, or whether you may mistakenly imagine you are required by law to insist I wear a face covering, is not relevant.

I consider your demand for details of my health condition to be an act of disability discrimination. Retention of relevant documents I hereby give you notice of a dispute and my intention to pursue legal claim for compensation in respect of your requirement for the wearing of a face covering. Please note that you have a legal obligation to retain and not to destroy or alter any records that may be relevant to this dispute.
This includes any video or CCTV
recordings which show my interaction with you or any of your staff or customers where the wearing of a face covering appears likely to be subject of that interaction.

Added information NOT extracted from www.laworfiction.com:
YOU ARE BEING MUZZLED TO KEEP YOU QUIET AND IN FEAR
You do not need to acquiesce to tyranny.

Think twice before trusting the misinformation spewed out from the BBC and other large news corporations – they are telling you only what their corporate masters let them tell you,  Look at communist China – this is what they want for the world.    The truth is out there – this is the long haul takeover of the world after the failed attempt of world war 2,Do not let your forefathers deaths during this time be for nothing.
PLEASE - WAKE UP.


****Edit:  you may have to play around with font and sizing - it's changed a little (but not much) since I copied&pasted it over here
Here's how it looks when printed - - if doing double sided then only 1 bit of paper needed - could get 2 on each a4 paper if choosing to print/copy in a5 - double sided.

 

lm1firstone.jpg

lm1.jpg

 

Brilliant stuff! 😄

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21 hours ago, chud said:

 

because carbon dioxin poisoning is 'safe', you offensive hypocrite ?! try to breath with your head in a plastic bag ! 

 

you didn't read them all but you read MY post and found the time to reply to it just to split hair over a MINOR detail... how strange is this ? you went and pick this detail while ignoring the all rest, but it was just to 'let me know' wasn't it ? 

 

between being teased that way or ignored, I'm tired of dealing with 'egos' instead of having real discussions... 

 

 

by the way this isn't more 'your thread' than it is 'your forum', and you making the OP doesn't give you the right to get insulting... 

 

it's a bit harsh to get called 'paranoid' or 'delusional' on this forum anyway... because I don't believe in 'aliens' ?? 

 

 

Blah blah blah yawn. 

 

Clearly you have 0 comprehension skills. My whole petition is against the mask and how dangerous it is, I mention how carbon dioxide is dangerous to breathe in, when did I ever say it was safe? 

 

If I point out that carbon monoxide is DIFFERENT and more dangerous than carbon dioxide, that doesn't mean I think carbon dioixide is SAFE. 

 

Are you seriously that stupid? 

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