Everything to do with masks / face coverings

[shadowmoon]

19 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

A bus driver told me that they won't ask for proof if you tell them that you have a health problem, at least to begin with. 

 

I don't think that a bus driver has the right to question your word?

 

 

[Seeker]

Signed 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Seeker

[mrbookrah]

On 6/11/2020 at 5:09 PM, Yasmina said:

Hey guys, 

 

Just popping this petition I made here, to stop mandatory face masks on public transport in the UK, sign and share please, we need as much support as possible to take further action. I know a lot of you think petitions don't do much, but we have another motive behind this. 

 

Thank you! 

 

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/181/262/966/stop-mandatory-face-masks-on-public-transport-in-the-uk/

Let's than 2000 signatures. Come on! We can do better than that! 

[mrbookrah]

Just now, mrbookrah said:

Let's than 2000 signatures. Come on! We can do better than that! 

Less*

[Storm in the garden]

On 6/12/2020 at 5:12 AM, Messenger said:

The pro feminism on that site is a red flag though.

 

I would beware of feminism, it is another social engineering experiment. In the USA it was funded by the rockefeller's as a means to trick women into entering the work force as a means to create more tax revenue for the state, and so that the state could raise (cough indoctrination) the kids in government run schools and day-cares. Before feminism, women typically were stay at home moms who raised the children with their family ideals. That liefstyle is of course bad for the NWO because it allowed parents to teach kids, not the state.

 

You're spot on. I've got two adult daughters who believe the same and would much prefer to be raising a family than being "in the workforce".

Women were totally sold a pup  regarding feminism.  Who the f*ck would WANT to go to work?

My father had an average wage doing an average job. He was the sole earner in the family and with that one wage he supported a family of 5, bought a house, ran a car, and even bought a small, cheap holiday home.

Now a young couple with both working full time can't even afford to buy their first home, never mind even thinking about starting a family.

Feminism was to the 20th century what Covid-19 is to the 21st......A gigantic agenda driven scam.

[Messenger]

1 hour ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

You're spot on. I've got two adult daughters who believe the same and would much prefer to be raising a family than being "in the workforce".

Women were totally sold a pup  regarding feminism.  Who the f*ck would WANT to go to work?

My father had an average wage doing an average job. He was the sole earner in the family and with that one wage he supported a family of 5, bought a house, ran a car, and even bought a small, cheap holiday home.

Now a young couple with both working full time can't even afford to buy their first home, never mind even thinking about starting a family.

Feminism was to the 20th century what Covid-19 is to the 21st......A gigantic agenda driven scam.

I'm happy to see your post, Storm in the garden.

 

For anyone who might be reading, I am in no means trying to take anything away from women either, aspirations, goals, and saying that women should be restricted to house wife mom status, but people should be aware that the whole women competing with men is a division tactic also. Male and female should be both respected for their role as a team in raising a family, not as competitors against each other. The mother and father both provide equally valuable traits and lessons to their child/children so that the child learns the value of masculine and feminine energy.

[Dagmar Gross]

On 6/11/2020 at 5:09 PM, Yasmina said:

Hey guys, 

 

Just popping this petition I made here, to stop mandatory face masks on public transport in the UK, sign and share please, we need as much support as possible to take further action. I know a lot of you think petitions don't do much, but we have another motive behind this. 

 

Thank you! 

 

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/181/262/966/stop-mandatory-face-masks-on-public-transport-in-the-uk/

Excellent! Thank you very much and signed and shared!

[Dagmar Gross]

On 6/13/2020 at 3:25 PM, Seeker said:

Signed 

 

Very good! Ha, ha, ha!.... Run out of emojis.

[Dagmar Gross]

On 6/13/2020 at 3:25 PM, Seeker said:

Signed 

 

Ha, ha, ha! Very good!

Edited June 14, 2020 by Dagmar Gross
How can I delete this post? I posted the same thing twice.

[Storm in the garden]

Just for the record in case there's some confusion regarding me and this petition, I'm all for a petition regarding opposition to compulsory mask wearing, I'm just dubious about the platform is all. It appears to be a very "you're one of us, or you're one of them" type scenario, and if you don't line up and agree to like this or dislike that you can naff off.

Another one of their "conditions" is their opposition to "gun lobbying" so it appears they are also opposed to the 2nd amendment of the constitution.

 

Now I'm not a US citizen and I'm not a Christian either but if there's one thing which may stop or at least slow down the march towards governmental tyranny in the US it's the vast swathes of rural Christians with family values and guns.

Just on a side note, the work I used to do necessitated occasional mask wearing, and because I wear glasses I never came across a mask which didn't 'fog up' those glasses within 5 minutes. So if they introduce compulsory mask wearing in public here, the chances are I'll have walked under a bus in no time(then again, maybe that's the idea).

[Penniston]

If a barman has a cold coming on for example and sneezes unexpectedly into the face of a customer across the counter, there’s a fair chance the customer will get the cold. Had the barman been wearing a mask however and sneezed, the risk to the customer would have been reduced. Pretty obvious to even a one brain celler.

It’s all about risk reduction, while the uncompromised scientists out there continue to learn more about the virus.

Perhaps you’re right and wearing a mask does no good at all, but in case you’re not, it’s worth putting up with a little bit of annoyance to save suffering and lives among the weak and vulnerable, even if it’s just one life.

There is currently an overwhelming amount of conflicting scientific instruction out there regarding the virus. This allows anyone to spin the science as they wish. Face masks good. Face masks bad. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. So we err on the side of caution and wear the mask.

Not wearing a face mask will also cause extra unnecessary stress to the majority of people on public transport, especially a bus driver, so for that reason alone I’ll be wearing mine - just in case.

 

[lemon]

"Pretty obvious to even a one brain celler"

 

yes of course

 

 

 

The last mask (n95) has an exhalation valve. If you have a seal onto your face the positive pressure created by your sneeze WILL, by design, cause the exhalation valve to open and release the saliva from your mouth and nose.

 

Only p100 and FFP3 masks protect against coronavirus. The coronavirus particle is 0.12 microns, the surgical mask passes 1-2 microns, so they are not suitable for controlling coronavirus. Aerosol test is a bad example because aerosols have 1 micron.

 

mask waste of time and stupid sheep

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by lemon

[Ecki Divad]

I'm glad people are now being forced to wear masks - it's an efficient discriminator.  Now I can see that somebody is probably an idiot without even having to speak to them.  Of course, not all of them will be idiots, some people will wear them because they have no practical choice, I appreciate that.

 

But long may it continue!

Edited June 15, 2020 by Ecki Divad

[Penniston]

Mask wearing on public transport is about risk reduction, not risk elimination.
And that risk reduction is to reduce the risk of passing the virus on to someone else.

If a person with the virus and not wearing a mask sneezes over you, you have no protection, even if you’re wearing a mask. However if the sneezer had been wearing a mask, the risk would have been reduced.

That is why sane people are choosing to wear the mask. For the sake of others.

I read the science and I make my choice. I look at all the different scientific sources, who funds them, and draw my own conclusion.
I will be wearing a mask on public transport and not signing the petition. Each to their own.

[Guest A-chan]

1 hour ago, Penniston said:

If a barman has a cold coming on for example and sneezes unexpectedly into the face of a customer across the counter, there’s a fair chance the customer will get the cold. Had the barman been wearing a mask however and sneezed, the risk to the customer would have been reduced. Pretty obvious to even a one brain celler.

It’s all about risk reduction, while the uncompromised scientists out there continue to learn more about the virus.

Perhaps you’re right and wearing a mask does no good at all, but in case you’re not, it’s worth putting up with a little bit of annoyance to save suffering and lives among the weak and vulnerable, even if it’s just one life.

There is currently an overwhelming amount of conflicting scientific instruction out there regarding the virus. This allows anyone to spin the science as they wish. Face masks good. Face masks bad. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. So we err on the side of caution and wear the mask.

Not wearing a face mask will also cause extra unnecessary stress to the majority of people on public transport, especially a bus driver, so for that reason alone I’ll be wearing mine - just in case.

 

There is no scientific evidence to support that statement. I have been sneezed on countless time...why didn't I get "the cold"? Could it be that isn't contagious...?

It is pretty obvious that you believe in the Germ Theory; that is, of course, your right. The Germ Theory has never been proven to be correct. COVID-19 does not even fulfill Koch or Rivers' postulates. The Terrain Theory is a much more plausible explanation for illness. I would suggest reading "What Really Makes You Ill" by Dawn Lester and David Parker. They have numerous interviews online, and you can read some of their articles on their website (of the same name). Their book is almost 800 pages, and has 40 pages of references.

 

How people choose to react to any given situation is largely based on learnt behaviour (from childhood). Their stress is not more important than my, or any others' stress. It is their belief, not reality, that is the cause of their stress.

 

Your mask wearing isn't saving anyone, and you are not a noble person for choosing to submit.

[Tinfoil Hat]

I don't recall ever sneezing over anyone prior to Covid. If you don't have a hanky, you'd cup your hands over your nose and mouth anyway - just have some handwash in your pocket, and the job's a good un.

[Guest A-chan]

3 minutes ago, Penniston said:

Mask wearing on public transport is about risk reduction, not risk elimination.
And that risk reduction is to reduce the risk of passing the virus on to someone else.

If a person with the virus and not wearing a mask sneezes over you, you have no protection, even if you’re wearing a mask. However if the sneezer had been wearing a mask, the risk would have been reduced.

That is why sane people are choosing to wear the mask. For the sake of others.

I read the science and I make my choice. I look at all the different scientific sources, who funds them, and draw my own conclusion.
I will be wearing a mask on public transport and not signing the petition. Each to their own.

What are the scientific sources and how many have been peer reviewed? What is the reduction percentage?

 

"That is why sane people are choosing to wear the mask. For the sake of others."

There are so many saintly persons in our society...who knew?

 

Your trolling is too obvious now. You have read the trolling 101 manual and little else, clearly.

[Penniston]

1 minute ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I don't recall ever sneezing over anyone prior to Covid. If you don't have a hanky, you'd cup your hands over your nose and mouth anyway - just have some handwash in your pocket, and the job's a good un.

Sound advice for the balanced individual. Unfortunately the real world isn’t made up entirely of responsible persons. And that’s why mask wearing on public transport has to be compulsory.

[Penniston]

13 minutes ago, A-chan said:

There is no scientific evidence to support that statement. I have been sneezed on countless time...why didn't I get "the cold"? Could it be that isn't contagious...?

It is pretty obvious that you believe in the Germ Theory; that is, of course, your right. The Germ Theory has never been proven to be correct. COVID-19 does not even fulfill Koch or Rivers' postulates. The Terrain Theory is a much more plausible explanation for illness. I would suggest reading "What Really Makes You Ill" by Dawn Lester and David Parker. They have numerous interviews online, and you can read some of their articles on their website (of the same name). Their book is almost 800 pages, and has 40 pages of references.

 

How people choose to react to any given situation is largely based on learnt behaviour (from childhood). Their stress is not more important than my, or any others' stress. It is their belief, not reality, that is the cause of their stress.

 

Your mask wearing isn't saving anyone, and you are not a noble person for choosing to submit.

I didn’t say you would get the cold. I said there was a fair chance.

Of course the coronavirus is not the same animal as a cold or flu virus and scientists are still trying to understand all the ways it transmits from person to person. Until then caution is the key word, anything else is taking a chance with other people’s lives, and that’s a chance I’m not prepared to take.

As for stress, are you really going to be under the same amount of stress by wearing a facemask for a short while? As opposed to sitting two metres away from someone who is not. Really?

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Penniston

[Guest A-chan]

1 minute ago, Penniston said:

I didn’t say you would get the cold. I said there was a fair chance.

Of course the coronavirus is not the same animal as a cold or flu virus and scientists are still trying to understand all the ways it transmits from person to person. Until then caution is the key word, anything else is taking a chance with other people’s lives, and that’s a chance I’m not prepared to take.

There is still no scentific evidence to support that statement.

There is no proof of contagion. Your emotive language is irrelevent: it is not scentific.

Your mask wearing isn't saving anyone, and you are not a noble person for choosing to submit.

[Penniston]

There’s shed loads of scientific data to support the spread of cold viruses through droplets taken in through the body via eyes, nose and mouth. It doesn’t always mean the virus develops however.

The cold virus however is not the coronavirus.

I respect your opinion but your statement that mask wearing saves no one is ridiculous. It absolutely dismisses, and that is a huge mistake to make when the science on all the ins and outs of the spread of the coronavirus are still not fully understood and proven. And when the science is uncertain it’s prudent to air on the side of caution, which I shall be doing by wearing a facemask on public transport.

Tis noble to reduce a possible risk.

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Penniston

[Guest A-chan]

26 minutes ago, Penniston said:

There’s shed loads of scientific data to support the spread of cold viruses through droplets taken in through the body via eyes, nose and mouth. It doesn’t always mean the virus develops however.

The cold virus however is not the coronavirus.

I respect your opinion but your statement that mask wearing saves no one is ridiculous. It absolutely dismisses, and that is a huge mistake to make when the science on all the ins and outs of the spread of the coronavirus are still not fully understood and proven. And when the science is uncertain it’s prudent to air on the side of caution, which I shall be doing by wearing a facemask on public transport.

Tis noble to reduce a possible risk.

 

If there are, then it would be a simple task to provide a few pieces of evidence. This has still not proven contagion. It is based on the Germ Theory. It therefore excludes other potential causes of illness in the environment.

What are referred to as viruses are not alive; they are protein particles (or exosomes). They have never been proven to cause disease.

 

You cannot prove that the mask saves lives; you only believe they do. That is your opinion. You are doing this for your own benefit. It is your opinion, that you believe they can reduce the spread of a "virus". This is not based on scentific evidence. Your emotive, manipulative language is irrelevent.

 

"I respect your opinion but your statement that mask wearing saves no one is ridiculous." This is not opinion. Ridiculous or not, my statement is true. Mask wearing reduces oxygen intake, amongst other health implications. It will not save you as your "virus" is small enough to pass through the holes in your mask. There is no danger or threat posed by not wearing a mask; you simply believe there is one. This is ridiculous. Your ego will not allow you to admit you have been duped and are being controlled by fear. 

"Tis noble to reduce a possible risk." If a risk is proven then it might be, however your ego is clearly not reduced and it is not noble.

If you believe that it is "keeping you safe", then I can respect that, though I do not agree, however, do not make false claims that it is reducing the "spread" of a virus.

Your mask wearing isn't saving anyone, and you are not a noble person for choosing to submit. 

It is noble to perform a selfless act: not follow a command under threat of a penalty.

If it were truly a virtue, they would not have to manipulate people's minds in order for them to comply.

[Penniston]

So here’s me acknowledging the independent scientific consensus that says the full workings of the coronavirus are yet to be understood. Therefore mask wearing on public transport is a sensible precaution.

 

But you however seem to think you know everything there is to know about the virus, and consequently advise against mask wearing from your lofty tower. You don’t work for Bill Gates do you?

 

Choose what you resist against wisely.
 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Penniston

[Sidlittle]

Imagine signing up for the army and finding yourself assigned to 77th Brigade having to make a complete tit of yourself on Internet forums. 

[wmania]

The full workings of the coronavirus are yet to be understood if you believe the virus exists. Once you dig up the original scientific papers, you will discover that they have never proven its existence and all the medical "mysteries" clear up. Masks do not stop a fictitious virus.