Start a revolution, or die, or live like a slave

[kj35]

5 hours ago, Green Dragon said:

Absolutely agree. The’transitional stage’, however is where the magic happens.

 

Mitochondrial Eve expresses strongly the need for empathy and heart-based communication. I couldn’t agree more. 
 

A group of fifty individuals or families, with heart based, authentic and accurate communication skills, who have a clear intent on giving each other the best life imaginable, working together well will do better in any area of life than the same fifty struggling independently. 
 

This is the microcosm of the RBE. It scales up to the whole world, and even scales down to the individual oneself, when describing different aspects of mind and body.

 

If a group of even five people decide to start a revolution within themselves as individuals and as a group, work in a heart based way in a way that benefits everyone, that group will have greater abundance and therefore greater ability to expand, communicate with the world, and become ungovernable.

 

I am with people working on precisely this now, but of course we want more people involved. 

This does sound great and what I would certainly want. But time after time these sort of groups evolve into cults. Has that been considered and how is it avoided?

 

4 hours ago, JCP said:

 

In a RBE, there is no money; therefore there is no debt, barter, trade, liability, pensions, ownership, taxes, credit, etc. What there is, is access. Access to food, shelter, transportation, water, communication, furniture, entertainment, and all products that are available, at no cost. Money and ownership is overrated. We don't need money, we just the things that money buys. With money, you are limited by how much you have. If you don't have enough, you die. In an RBE, there is no rationing. If something is available to one, it's available to all. Money and competition slows our progress because we're always battling each other to get ahead individually, when we could all be working together in synergy in the form of cooperation and the betterment of all. Our present monetary system has us fighting one another, and I think it was designed that way on purpose.  

 

I agree that humanity would need empathy, and probably a spiritually developed population. I believe humans are naturally empathetic, but our current system has distorted that quality that drives us to be greedy and self absorbed, and has given us the Wetico mind virus syndrome. Spiritual people believe that we are all one; so whatever affects you, affects me and everyone else. So yes, everyone needs to be nurtured.

 

I also agree that there needs to be rules that society instills ..... not an authority. With the advent of the internet, I think there is a way for all people to come together to develop a consensus of what those rules are, and how to enforce them. Also if an RBE were adopted, it would have to be accepted by a vast majority of the people and not forced upon us.

 

An RBE is more like communism than anarchy. Anarchy is about the rules that society decides we need instead of an authority dictating them. It is like a political system. An RBE is akin to the economical system and how goods and services are distributed. Understand that true communism has never been instituted in the history of man and the communism that we know today is a perverted form and more resembles a hybrid of capitalism. Remember that the root word of communism is community.   

 

You state that most of us aren't sufficiently developed spiritually and morally to cope with such a change, and I understand your concern. The point is that our hand is being forced with the changes that governments are enacting. Examples are The Great Reset, UBI, forced clot-shots, eating bugs, genocide thru poisons, mask wearing, avoiding each other thru social distancing, propaganda, social credit scoring, mass surveillance, gender confusion ...... and I could go on. My point is that it's possible that a move to an anarchic/RBE could instill the spiritual and moral compass in people that is needed and allow us to remember who we really are. Humans are sick with the Wetico mind virus and this move has the ability to heal us. If you have a better alternative, I'd love to hear it. There very well may be one, but this is the best one I've found. As I've stated before, time is short and our hand is being forced. The Great Reset is supposed to be fully implemented by 2030 (I've heard they changed that to 2027). If we don't act ....... the archons will prevail .... and it won't be pretty.

 

The other aspect of an RBE that I should have mentioned is the environment. Unlike the rampant destruction of the earth to acquire resources, an RBE takes into account what the implications our actions are to the environment, and attempts to minimize them regardless of the effort required or seek an alternative.  

 

 

 

So, we will own nothing? And be happy?

Edited July 11, 2022 by kj35

[JCP]

1 minute ago, DaleP said:

 

OR may be they didn't have empathy in the first place so it won't return because they never had before?

 

It is my opinion that humans have the quality of empathy but the system we live under distorts and removes it. If someone has zero empathy, then there's a good chance that they may not be human.

[DaleP]

3 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

It is my opinion that humans have the quality of empathy but the system we live under distorts and removes it. If someone has zero empathy, then there's a good chance that they may not be human.

 

tbh, I did not see much empathy in the last two years. We were treated terribly even with a legitimate reason for not 1) having the vax 2) wearing a mask etc....

[JCP]

15 hours ago, kj35 said:

So, we will own nothing? And be happy?

 

Personally, I would rather have access to everything as apposed to owning only what I could afford. If you don't have much money, it makes life a dismal experience. It also uses a huge amount of resources. Use the example of guitars. It take a great deal of resources to make all the ones that are sold and 90% of them are abandoned and just sit in peoples' attic when people loose interest. In an RBE, you could keep it if you use it or return it if you don't; reducing the amount that are needed to be made.

 

This is not the same as the WEF's mantra "You will own nothing and be happy". In their system you will use money thru a digital currency and the reason you will own nothing is because of the pittance you will receive.

[JCP]

26 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

tbh, I did not see much empathy in the last two years. We were treated terribly even with a legitimate reason for not 1) having the vax 2) wearing a mask etc....

 

A perfect example of how this system distorts, and the Wetico mindset it creates. We have been given an opportunity to make a better world; or live in the one that they have painted. If you are in favor of their vision then you probably wouldn't like an RBE or any other alternative system. It is our choice; yours, mine, and everyone else's. An RBE is not the only alternative and is not perfect .... it's just the best one that I have found. I stand by my opinion that humans are naturally empathetic (when not distorted by Wetico and this system).

[Campion]

This discussion reminds me of a debate I've had with myself many times: what's more important, changing the system (politics) or changing the people (spirituality/therapy/education)? Or will one lead to the other?  Maybe a mixture of both is necessary. 

 

Anyway, according to regular economics, money is there to match supply and demand. In this world view, most folks prefer to receive than to give, to consume than produce. So if everything is free for the taking, most of us would prefer to sit in a large comfortable home sipping martinis or go on holiday than go to the office or factory to do a stressful job and live in a cramped apartment. But of course that would create shortages and without money to create inflation, effectively rationing by wealth, and there'd be opportunities for corruption. 
 
I don't think money is the root problem because it's not real anyway. Power is the problem, selfish and greedy abuse of power, and money is just a symptom: getting rid of money in a society of selfish people wouldn't cure the underlying problem imo, it will resurface in another form. But in a community of committed, caring and mature people it may work. 

  

 I'm like most folks that I draw a tight circle around who I feel that way about: family and close friends, we help each other out without expecting payment. Outside that circle, I help by paying taxes, giving to charity, the occasional donation to buskers and beggars, the odd bit of volunteering. But regarding the whole neighbourhood as family is pretty radical, how many of us are ready for that? Maybe it's more like that in a tribe or close knit village. 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Campion

[JCP]

10 minutes ago, Campion said:

 I'm like most folks that I draw a tight circle around who I feel that way about: family and close friends, we help each other out without expecting payment.

 

IMO, that is the problem and shows a lack of empathy for those outside your circle.

[Campion]

13 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

IMO, that is the problem and shows a lack of empathy for those outside your circle.

Less empathy, not a total lack: it's shades of grey not black and white. And of course it's mutual, most of my neighbours don't know me and don't know if they can trust me. An example: a beggar stopped me in the street today telling me he has cancer and needs some help, can I spare some change? What to do? It'd be a bit easier if we had more community, knew each other, knew who was telling the truth. 

[kj35]

1 hour ago, JCP said:

 

Personally, I would rather have access to everything as apposed to owning only what I could afford. If you don't have much money, it makes life a dismal experience. It also uses a huge amount of resources. Use the example of guitars. It take a great deal of resources to make all the ones that are sold and 90% of them are abandoned and just sit in peoples' attic when people loose interest. In an RBE, you could keep it if you use it or return it if you don't; reducing the amount that are needed to be made.

 

This is not the same as the WEF's mantra "You will own nothing and be happy". In their system you will use money thru a digital currency and the reason you will own nothing is because of the pittance you will receive.

It sounds remarkably similar. The WEF idea was renting goods. We would all get a package based on a lot of criteria including social credit that gave us 'points' to 'spend'. In the RBE system I don't understand how goods are allocated. As people are selfish and do hoard. And without incentive msny don't work. Not everyone I do agree. Our allotment has a lot of sharing and support to whoever needs it.

[Green Dragon]

18 hours ago, kj35 said:

This does sound great and what I would certainly want. But time after time these sort of groups evolve into cults. Has that been considered and how is it avoided?

Yeah I’ve experienced something similar. A group of people who Were very active in the north of England during 2020 and 2021 have become docile, and interested more in affirming their own beliefs rather than doing anything useful.

 

My solution was to simply to leave the group. 
 

What is a cult? Bunch of people in a controlled dogmatic belief system? 
 

Each of us can choose what we believe, who we associate with, and how we interact with each other. Forget wether THEY might turn into a cult, will WE? 

 

Togetherness, accurate and straight communication, compassion, and collective intent and focus will, in the short and long term,  beat manipulative and divided groups.

 

 

[JCP]

1 hour ago, kj35 said:

It sounds remarkably similar. The WEF idea was renting goods. We would all get a package based on a lot of criteria including social credit that gave us 'points' to 'spend'. In the RBE system I don't understand how goods are allocated. As people are selfish and do hoard. And without incentive msny don't work. Not everyone I do agree. Our allotment has a lot of sharing and support to whoever needs it.

 

It sounds like you're a champion of The Great Reset. It is not even vaguely similar. Renting goods (which I have no idea how to rent food) is using money. Money that they would provide only if you follow their rules (like being vaxxed) and would most likely be a pittance. In an open access economy (RBE) there is no allocation or money. If there is something you desire, you simply order it or go pick it up. If it's available to one, it's available to all. Of course if that item is out of stock you may have to wait until more is produced as is today or in any system. The only reason people hoard is because they fear that good might not be available to them in the future. I could imagine right after a RBE was implemented there might be hoarding for the first few months because of peoples' uncertainty; but once they see that their fears were unjustified, the hoarding would stop.

 

I can only assume that when you wrote msny, you meant money. Money is not an incentive to work, it is an obligation to earn. True incentives to work are passion, flair, sharing your expertise and ideas, helping out, meeting people, wanting to learn. Once money is removed from our lives, people will work with these incentives only, and be far happier and more productive as a result. 

[Campion]

53 minutes ago, JCP said:

Of course if that item is out of stock you may have to wait until more is produced as is today or in any system. The only reason people hoard is because they fear that good might not be available to them in the future. I could imagine right after a RBE was implemented there might be hoarding for the first few months because of peoples' uncertainty; but once they see that their fears were unjustified, the hoarding would stop.

 

It's a matter of honesty I suppose. If I'm a shopkeeper with a delivery of goods that are in a shortage; do I do the decent thing and keep a fair waiting list and allocate them immediately, or something corrupt like taking bribes to jump the queue, and stockpiling secretly to keep them in short supply and my bribes coming in. 

 

As a worker, if I'm producing something that's not in shortage, then I could simply go on strike until it is (enabling me to become corrupt too).  

 

Sorry, for some reason this topic is bringing out the devil in me!  I wish a system like this could actually work. 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Campion

[JCP]

8 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

It's a matter of honesty I suppose. If I'm a shopkeeper with a delivery of goods that are in a shortage; do I do the decent thing and keep a fair waiting list and allocate them immediately, or something corrupt like taking bribes to jump the queue, and stockpiling secretly to keep them in short supply and my bribes coming in. 

 

As a worker, if I'm producing something that's not in shortage, then I could simply go on strike until it is (enabling me to become corrupt too).  

 

Sorry, for some reason this topic is bringing out the devil in me!  I wish a system like this could actually work. 

 

What part of "NO MONEY" don't you understand? What will people bribe someone with? Sexual favors? There's no need to go on strike when the work is voluntary. I can see now that you are just here to provide a distraction and to be argumentative. Most people could come up with more valid and pertinent questions than your. Your questions are way out in left field and make no sense. You are better off staying within your closed circle of friends, as they are the only ones you trust or have empathy for. C'ya

 

If this topic brings the devil out of you, then obviously he resides in you; or at least has been inside you sometime in the past. Good luck with all that

 

 

[kj35]

9 hours ago, JCP said:

 

It sounds like you're a champion of The Great Reset. It is not even vaguely similar. Renting goods (which I have no idea how to rent food) is using money. Money that they would provide only if you follow their rules (like being vaxxed) and would most likely be a pittance. In an open access economy (RBE) there is no allocation or money. If there is something you desire, you simply order it or go pick it up. If it's available to one, it's available to all. Of course if that item is out of stock you may have to wait until more is produced as is today or in any system. The only reason people hoard is because they fear that good might not be available to them in the future. I could imagine right after a RBE was implemented there might be hoarding for the first few months because of peoples' uncertainty; but once they see that their fears were unjustified, the hoarding would stop.

 

I can only assume that when you wrote msny, you meant money. Money is not an incentive to work, it is an obligation to earn. True incentives to work are passion, flair, sharing your expertise and ideas, helping out, meeting people, wanting to learn. Once money is removed from our lives, people will work with these incentives only, and be far happier and more productive as a result. 

No I'm not in fact your post prompted me to start a thread drilling down the WEF, which I've been meaning to do for a while so thank you. I'm genuinely intrigued with the RBE concept but trying to see how it differs and how it may or may not work.

Edited July 12, 2022 by kj35

[kj35]

7 hours ago, JCP said:

 

 

If this topic brings the devil out of you, then obviously he resides in you; or at least has been inside you sometime in the past. Good luck with all that

 

 

So is religion involved?

[kj35]

8 hours ago, JCP said:

 

What part of "NO MONEY" don't you understand? What will people bribe someone with? Sexual favors? 

 

 

Or sexual demands. It's historically happened in every civilisation.

[Green Dragon]

I like the RBE as a rough concept from our reality now to aim for. We don’t need to take it as some holy book.
 

To create a new society with a vision like that requires a lot of changes, effort and coordination from us. Unless we want the cabal’s version, in which our best bet is to do nothing…

 

A vision of a society as it stands, flicking a switch and having it as an RBE is totally imaginary. 
 

The truth is, we don’t know what the world we create will be like. And who wants to know anyway, let’s go through the process, find out the hard way.

 

Can a group of ten of us connect, communicate well, set a shared intent and pool our resources and skills to make us collectively slightly better off in six months? This is the game that excites me at the moment. I’m basically with a group of people who are doing this now, and it’s harder than it sounds. 

 

Future ideals are fun to debate, but I feel we should be shifting focus to solutions that exist in the present moment. 


 

 

 

 

[Campion]

21 hours ago, JCP said:

 

What part of "NO MONEY" don't you understand? What will people bribe someone with? Sexual favors? There's no need to go on strike when the work is voluntary. I can see now that you are just here to provide a distraction and to be argumentative. Most people could come up with more valid and pertinent questions than your. Your questions are way out in left field and make no sense. You are better off staying within your closed circle of friends, as they are the only ones you trust or have empathy for. C'ya

 

If this topic brings the devil out of you, then obviously he resides in you; or at least has been inside you sometime in the past. Good luck with all that  

 

Whoa there, peace.  I'm not being negative, what I'm trying to do (tho maybe with limited success) is a thought experiment with RBE to weigh up what the pros and cons might be. Seeing as it hasn't been tried in a big scale in real life yet, that's the next best thing. It's actually giving respect to the idea, sorry if you don't see that. 

 
My conclusion is that RBE can work well in small close knit communities where members want to do it. In fact it probably is already in communities like families, communes, religious orders, places with a strong bond. The members want the community to succeed so they put in the effort; but would that translate to a large scale like a whole town? Maybe with a big spiritual shift. At the moment, if there was an option of going part time or taking days off when you feel like it, or freely choosing your own job rather than depending on "market forces" then I wonder if the whole economy would be productive enough?  
 
Bribes and currency don't have to be in money - look at prisons for example, where inmates have their basic needs met and don't need money, yet they turn things like cigarettes into currency.  Obviously the difference is they don't want to be there and there's little empathy around. 
 

The devil is a metaphor of course, he's our ego    If you're selfless enough to give away all your savings to the poor and needy then hats off to you. But I'm not so enlightened yet, I still give priority to my close circle and pay my dues to help everyone else. 

 

19 minutes ago, Green Dragon said:

I like the RBE as a rough concept from our reality now to aim for. We don’t need to take it as some holy book.

 

 

 

[DaleP]

On 7/10/2022 at 10:48 PM, JCP said:

My mortgage rate is 3.5% fixed and today, no one is offering close to that. I think they're hovering around 5.5%. Besides, I didn't go thru Wells Fargo to get my mortgage, it was sold to them. The same thing could happen again and at a higher interest rate.

 

I wonder if you fall in this category.... Might be worth reading?

https://www.thebernician.net/lien-on-banksters-a-potential-remedy-for-11-million-void-mortgagors/

[DaleP]

On 7/11/2022 at 7:34 PM, JCP said:

In an RBE, you could keep it if you use it or return it if you don't;

That works for some people.

From a spiritual pov, I'd rather keep my own.

It's the same thing as not buying second hand books or clothes. Everything accumulates energy and mostly negative ones since people have plenty of those.

When you acquire it, you also receive their shit! Do you want that sitting around in your home? nah but each to their own. There are those that have no clue so it doesn't matter to them whether their life turns sour.

[JCP]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

That works for some people.

From a spiritual pov, I'd rather keep my own.

It's the same thing as not buying second hand books or clothes. Everything accumulates energy and mostly negative ones since people have plenty of those.

When you acquire it, you also receive their shit! Do you want that sitting around in your home? nah but each to their own. There are those that have no clue so it doesn't matter to them whether their life turns sour.

 

Yeah, you're probably right. Let's just keep things as they are and use the resources until there are no more, without trying to do anything about it. We can build more buildings to store more of our shit in, that we don't use. From a spiritual pov, isn't it possible that the good energy would balance out the bad? What about the people that manufacture or pack the new item or stock it? Can't they imprint it also? What about when you rent something? Can't that be imprinted by everyone that used it before you?

 

The idea of ownership is going away whether we like it or not ........ either thru an RBE (or something similar); or thru The Great Reset, where everything you use, you rent. In an RBE, you have access to anything and everything for as long as you like at no charge. With The Great Reset, you can rent anything you like, only if you have enough social credits saved up. With the pittance we get thru a UBI, after they tear this system down, access for most things will be limited and you will only get the money if you do what they say (think Vax). If you think things are going back to the way they were, you may have a surprise awaiting. I was just trying to present a more palatable way that would conserve resources, give free access to all, protect the environment, while also putting people in charge instead of the masters. In an RBE, everyone would have a much higher standard of living than we do today; even the well to do.

For people that want to poo-poo this suggestion, that's fine ................... but I ask ................. what's your idea?

It's easy to scrutinize others' ideas without having one of your own.

 

A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff.

Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?

~ George Carlin ~

[DaleP]

8 hours ago, JCP said:

 

Yeah, you're probably right. Let's just keep things as they are and use the resources until there are no more, without trying to do anything about it. We can build more buildings to store more of our shit in, that we don't use. From a spiritual pov, isn't it possible that the good energy would balance out the bad? What about the people that manufacture or pack the new item or stock it? Can't they imprint it also? What about when you rent something? Can't that be imprinted by everyone that used it before you?

 

The idea of ownership is going away whether we like it or not ........ either thru an RBE (or something similar); or thru The Great Reset, where everything you use, you rent. In an RBE, you have access to anything and everything for as long as you like at no charge. With The Great Reset, you can rent anything you like, only if you have enough social credits saved up. With the pittance we get thru a UBI, after they tear this system down, access for most things will be limited and you will only get the money if you do what they say (think Vax). If you think things are going back to the way they were, you may have a surprise awaiting. I was just trying to present a more palatable way that would conserve resources, give free access to all, protect the environment, while also putting people in charge instead of the masters. In an RBE, everyone would have a much higher standard of living than we do today; even the well to do.

For people that want to poo-poo this suggestion, that's fine ................... but I ask ................. what's your idea?

It's easy to scrutinize others' ideas without having one of your own.

 

A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff.

 

Have you ever noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?

 

~ George Carlin ~

 

^ Well that is true. After all, you own nothing. When you die, you don't take none of them other than energy i.e. info & experience you have gathered.

If you understand everything/every shape creates its frequency as per Dr Karim, the more stuff you have, you have more frequency in the house compared to....likes of wealthy. If you look at their homes, it tends to be quite empty whereas people who are on the dole have a collection of cuddly toys, even paperback books aren't that great though it contains info. Paper absorbs energy easily. Now, I don't mind getting into a rental car or hiring an equipment. After a short use, you return it and nothing really stays with you but personal items I am concerned with. Yes, warehouse staff could imprint stocks too. You don't know how much of 'your' shit is actually from other people's unless you start looking. For example, I was reading into the the background of an assasinator, the 41-year old. While we could all jump in to say, killing is no good and I agree but when you learn what it took to get there, it's never that simple. His father was beating his wife but she didn't retaliate. Cut the long story short, his father committed suicide and his mother joined a 'church', a cult and have donated something like 600K from a life insurance payment and they go bankrupt. When he was still at high school, he had nothing to eat because everything went for the donations. That's in wealthy Japan. You wouldn't expect kids to go hungry. Then his brother committed suicide as well and the attacker also tried to commit suicide. So he kept his pent up digruntle feeling towards the cult organisation for over 20 years. While I don't agree with shooting, it wasn't like spear of the moment act, it was carefully thought through over the years. Sadly, he didn't get the fact right. ex-PM Abe didn't support the cult organisation even though he has sent a well wishing wedding video to a member...... Anyway, my point is this... it all stemed from his father....or would you say, it was his destiny to be born in such family? Also it's possible that mentally unstable father attracted spirits who made him behave the way he did and misery attracts more misery, in this case suicides, bankrupcy, unhappy family. It tends to run in a family....much like alcoholism. May be they lived in a house that is really bad energy around e.g. geopathic stress..... there are many reasons and I think you either do something about all these energy or live blindly.

 

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say, nothing is straightforward.

 

[JCP]

8 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

^ Well that is true. After all, you own nothing. When you die, you don't take none of them other than energy i.e. info & experience you have gathered.

If you understand everything/every shape creates its frequency as per Dr Karim, the more stuff you have, you have more frequency in the house compared to....likes of wealthy. If you look at their homes, it tends to be quite empty whereas people who are on the dole have a collection of cuddly toys, even paperback books aren't that great though it contains info. Paper absorbs energy easily. Now, I don't mind getting into a rental car or hiring an equipment. After a short use, you return it and nothing really stays with you but personal items I am concerned with. Yes, warehouse staff could imprint stocks too. You don't know how much of 'your' shit is actually from other people's unless you start looking. For example, I was reading into the the background of an assasinator, the 41-year old. While we could all jump in to say, killing is no good and I agree but when you learn what it took to get there, it's never that simple. His father was beating his wife but she didn't retaliate. Cut the long story short, his father committed suicide and his mother joined a 'church', a cult and have donated something like 600K from a life insurance payment and they go bankrupt. When he was still at high school, he had nothing to eat because everything went for the donations. That's in wealthy Japan. You wouldn't expect kids to go hungry. Then his brother committed suicide as well and the attacker also tried to commit suicide. So he kept his pent up digruntle feeling towards the cult organisation for over 20 years. While I don't agree with shooting, it wasn't like spear of the moment act, it was carefully thought through over the years. Sadly, he didn't get the fact right. ex-PM Abe didn't support the cult organisation even though he has sent a well wishing wedding video to a member...... Anyway, my point is this... it all stemed from his father....or would you say, it was his destiny to be born in such family? Also it's possible that mentally unstable father attracted spirits who made him behave the way he did and misery attracts more misery, in this case suicides, bankrupcy, unhappy family. It tends to run in a family....much like alcoholism. May be they lived in a house that is really bad energy around e.g. geopathic stress..... there are many reasons and I think you either do something about all these energy or live blindly.

 

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say, nothing is straightforward.

 

 

Some things are straightforward and some things are not. What is straightforward to me, is that we are eternal souls having a short human experience and everything that influences us in this 3D human life such as family, friends, TV, church, propaganda, material items, etc, can only do so because if we give it/them permission. We have to consent. If we allow them to influence us, they will, and if we refuse to give that permission, they can not. It's not about these influences, it's about us, what we're made of, and what we know to be right. We just need to remember who we really are. The reason I advocate for an RBE, is to enhance the human experience for all, and give all people access to everything that this 3D life has to offer ........ not just the special few. It's also about power to the people.

 

I think that your concerns about ownership and things that can be imprinted or influential are based in fear, when we have the power to accept or reject them. It is also based on the uncertainty that change brings even though change is inevitable. It is up to us to see that we have a say in the direction of that change because it won't be given to us. In my view, an RBE is not a perfect system because that perfection does not exist; however I believe it is the most equitable. If perchance we are able to overcome this attack on humanity, a void will be created. That void will be filled by the next tyrant that happens by unless we plan for a new way ahead of time. We are stronger when we fight FOR something; and if we unite for a common cause, it will increase our chances for success. Our unity is our power, and if an RBE doesn't strike the right cord, maybe we should discuss an alternative. That's why I asked for ideas.

 

The wealthy's homes appear to be empty because they have much larger and multiple homes, with plenty of out buildings and huge garages to store their shit. If they are human with eternal souls, they need to remember that there's no luggage rack on a hearse. Materialism, ownership and ego is their curse. It needn't be ours.

Edited July 17, 2022 by JCP
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[JCP]

 ** This is a much better approach than violent  revolution **

Moneyless Society: Build the Change You Want to See in the World

 

THIS IS IT! | Max Igan

 

[Green Dragon]

10 hours ago, JCP said:

 ** This is a much better approach than violent  revolution **

Moneyless Society: Build the Change You Want to See in the World

 

THIS IS IT! | Max Igan

 

I like how frank Mak Igan is. Stop blaming others, he says, and start pointing the finger at ourselves. The hero we are all expecting to come along and save us is ourselves.

 

So, for any new ‘economy’ we will need to be more productive man for man than what is out there already. We would need to be clearly more abundant, and healthier, happier e.t.c whilst creating it. That’s the thing with the system. Evil or not, they know how to get things done! 
 

So how can we implement these changes? I’ll put a proposal down in the next couple of weeks for some small action that can be implemented with us on this forum to start with, but I’d like ideas from people as well!

 

Lot’s of love, humans and/or otherwise!