Start a revolution, or die, or live like a slave

[Green Dragon]

So David Icke is (mostly) right. Which means a totalitarian regime is coming.

 

If we sit there just complaining about it, or spreading the word to other people who are just complaining about it, we will either be killed off by the myriad of things the system is doing to kill us off, or live as slaves. 
 

If that’s the plan, we might as well forget about it, sit back, smoke some herbs and enjoy the nwo (unless fretting is somehow pleasurable to us).

 

Alternatively,  let’s start a (peaceful) revolution.

 

Anyone fancy a revolution, either talk about it on this thread, or pm me!

 

Am I mad? Yes. What of it?

[Campion]

@Green Dragon  When you think about it, we had a totalitarian regime for the whole Middle Ages, with hegemony of the Catholic church and monarchy ruling over us via an aristocratic feudal hierarchy, and most ordinary people like us living as serfs.  This was very gradually broken over the modern period with various things like Protestantism, printing & literacy, industrial revolutions, rise of democracy, individualism, trade unions etc. But now it's increasingly visible that we're moving back towards totalitarianism. 
 

I can sympathise with you but I'm rather wary of trying to start a revolution. Perhaps it's my Britishness, but I don't see many previous revolutions turning out well. I'd rather try recovering society from the grassroots by strengthening local communities, encourage family life and parenthood, small business rather than global corporations. No doubt there's still much work to do exposing the agenda of the Illuminati, but we need to take back ownership and responsibility for our society in our own hands, rather than handing this power over to central, corporatist and increasingly global leaders. We do need leadership of course, but leaders who are rooted in and serve their community. Am I a dreamer?

[JCP]

42 minutes ago, Campion said:

@Green Dragon  When you think about it, we had a totalitarian regime for the whole Middle Ages, with hegemony of the Catholic church and monarchy ruling over us via an aristocratic feudal hierarchy, and most ordinary people like us living as serfs.  This was very gradually broken over the modern period with various things like Protestantism, printing & literacy, industrial revolutions, rise of democracy, individualism, trade unions etc. But now it's increasingly visible that we're moving back towards totalitarianism. 
 

I can sympathise with you but I'm rather wary of trying to start a revolution. Perhaps it's my Britishness, but I don't see many previous revolutions turning out well. I'd rather try recovering society from the grassroots by strengthening local communities, encourage family life and parenthood, small business rather than global corporations. No doubt there's still much work to do exposing the agenda of the Illuminati, but we need to take back ownership and responsibility for our society in our own hands, rather than handing this power over to central, corporatist and increasingly global leaders. We do need leadership of course, but leaders who are rooted in and serve their community. Am I a dreamer?

 

I disagree that we need leaders or a ruling class; but I do have a great admiration for Dreamers and lovers of freedom.

 

 

[Campion]

59 minutes ago, JCP said:

I disagree that we need leaders or a ruling class; but I do have a great admiration for Dreamers and lovers of freedom.

Yes, ruling shouldn't be a class system. But suggesting that we don't need any leaders at all is beyond my ken, would you elaborate on this?

Or maybe I misunderstand. When I say leaders I don't only mean politicians, but also people to manage any organisations, like businesses, public services, schools, religious and community groups. Is there a way to have a totally egalitarian society? 

[JCP]

11 minutes ago, Campion said:

Yes, ruling shouldn't be a class system. But suggesting that we don't need any leaders at all is beyond my ken, would you elaborate on this?

Or maybe I misunderstand. When I say leaders I don't only mean politicians, but also people to manage any organisations, like businesses, public services, schools, religious and community groups. Is there a way to have a totally egalitarian society? 

 

Yes, we do need managers to organize groups. A totally egalitarian society is what we should be striving for, but is that possible? I dunno, but the closest thing I have found to it is an anarchic/Resource Based Economy. It would be much easier to give you a short video and a link to a site that describes my vision.

 

https://truthseeker.se/anarchy-vs-government-and-a-resource-based-economy/#:~:text=The definition of

 

 

[Campion]

10 hours ago, JCP said:

It would be much easier to give you a short video and a link to a site that describes my vision.

Thanks, the video gives an optimistic future and I'm all for this type of open-minded vision. It just feels like it's early days and needs a practical approach to the problems. It assumes we're all basically good community minded people at heart, which may have some truth but how to deal with individuals who are more competitive and even selfish, wishing to grab more than their fair share of the wealth? Or deal with groups of invaders such as organised criminals and even other states attacking us?

 

There seems to be an unstated assumption that there'll be an overarching authority to keep the system going, give it some strength and resilience to survive. What worries me is that the global cultists would use utopian visions like this to draw us into their web of apparently egalitarian culture, like UBI, as a way to capture us as workers in their communistic totalitarian world. A very flat pyramid with most people equally at the bottom, being controlled by a small class of middle managers and a few invisibles at the top. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic 

[JCP]

4 hours ago, Campion said:

Thanks, the video gives an optimistic future and I'm all for this type of open-minded vision. It just feels like it's early days and needs a practical approach to the problems. It assumes we're all basically good community minded people at heart, which may have some truth but how to deal with individuals who are more competitive and even selfish, wishing to grab more than their fair share of the wealth? Or deal with groups of invaders such as organised criminals and even other states attacking us?

 

There seems to be an unstated assumption that there'll be an overarching authority to keep the system going, give it some strength and resilience to survive. What worries me is that the global cultists would use utopian visions like this to draw us into their web of apparently egalitarian culture, like UBI, as a way to capture us as workers in their communistic totalitarian world. A very flat pyramid with most people equally at the bottom, being controlled by a small class of middle managers and a few invisibles at the top. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic 

 

No, you are not being pessimistic, because we have to be careful not to fall for traps like a UBI. That is exactly how they plan to use the UBI; as a control system. As a matter of fact, that is how they use money today, as a debt based control system. A UBI only enhances that control.

 

I know the video was fast and hard to absorb all of the concepts, but a Resource Based Economy (RBE) uses no money, credit, trade, or barter. Imagine the reduction of crime, if everyone had access to everything they wanted or needed. No one would feel compelled to rob or take advantage of you if they had access to everything that you did. It would eliminate wars because resources would be the heritage of all the worlds people . I don't think of an RBE is a utopian vision, because there will still be problems and obstacles to overcome, like resource allocation, logistics, disasters, etc.  For instance it would not eliminate crimes of passion; but that is such a small percentage of all total crime. The only way that the global e-leet could circumvent this system, is if it used their main weapon ..... MONEY ....... which it does not.

 

An RBE uses synergy and everyone working together instead of competition. Competition slows progress and produces winners and losers. An RBE focuses more on access than ownership. Wouldn't it be better if for example, if we had access to a jet ski when we go to the beach, rather than owning one, maintaining it, storing it, hauling it, fueling it, and using it only a few days a year? Many people think they'd like to learn to play a guitar, buy one, and it winds up stored in the attic when interest is lost. In an RBE, you would pick one up, use it for as long as you like, and return it if you lose interest or keep it if you use it.

The examples are endless.

 

I hope you had the chance to visit the link to the site I provided. There are many people that promote an RBE with various ideas. Some are very detailed and some are very basic, allowing the details to form as we go. Some of these groups are The Venus Project, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Free World Charter, etc.

Youtube has many videos on an RBE and I encourage you to do your own research. I see it as an inevitable evolution if humanity is to continue. I also see it as something to fight for, instead of fighting against the oppression that befalls us.

Fighting "for" something has a much more positive connotation than fighting "against" something.

 

Resources:

https://freeworldcharter.org/en/more - My favorite - A Basic RBE - Good FAQ's

https://truthseeker.se/anarchy-vs-government-and-a-resource-based-economy/#:~:text=The definition of

https://www.thevenusproject.com/

https://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

 

 

There are so many videos I'd love to share with you, but it would probably be information overload, so I advise you to do the research yourself and at your own pace; knowing that if you get stuck, I'm here to help. I certainly don't know it all, but together we can figure it out.  In Lak’ech

[Bombadil]

Sounds cheese but a mighty oak comes from an acorn. It will withstand all the forces of Mother Nature whilst sheltering multiple life sources. A small group can and will grow with the right nourishment. With hard times as a result of the crazy costs hike I believe more and more will start to embrace a more community based system.

If they don’t start quick it’s gonna get real hard

[Mitochondrial Eve]

I am no expert or even well read on political theory so my argument may be somewhat reductionist, but I am coming to the realisation that it matters not which structure our society takes - whether that be democracy, communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, anarchy, one world government etc.

 

Whichever system is chosen can be abused if people are out for personal gain and feel entitled over others. People baulk at the prospect of anarchy because they do not trust others and feel there need to be rules in place to protect them from abuses. Democracy has shown itself during the pandemic to be easily manipulated by brainwashing the masses into whatever the agenda requires which, to me, doesn't seem too far off the concept of the "greater good" which communism apparently advocates for. Some fear capitalism as benefiting the privileged. One world government sends shockwaves of terror into the freedom / truth movements because we suspect the motives of those who would aspire to be at the top of the pyramid. All systems seem vulnerable to corruption and subversion in an unconscious environment.

 

I see the way we structure our society as immaterial if the leader(s) and (especially) the masses are lacking consciousness. I liken it to the likes of knowledge or implements which can cause harm such as knives. The knowledge or implement is neutral and whether that is used for "good" or "bad" is chosen by the wielder.

 

If a societal structure, any structure, was chosen from an attitude of integrity, honesty, respect and empathy within the collective, I think the masses and the individual would benefit. DI has pointed out that what is needed for the world to change is for people to have empathy which negates any desire to have power over others. I think this is one of the most profound things he has said and I don't see anything changing positively, whichever political structure is adopted, until our collective consciousness has made leaps and bounds into greater personal responsibility and a heart based frame of mind.

[Green Dragon]

I’m really loving this discussion.

 

let me clarify a couple of things.

 

‘Revolution’ is an overarching word that can mean anything from a system orchestrated bloodbath (like the French one) to a paradigm shift (such as homosexuality becoming socially acceptable) to whatever we create. 
 

I envision personal responsibility and being heart based as a core, let’s make that clear.

 

Leaders can be simply people who take initiative, without the belief that they have absolute authority. David Icke is a leader in that regard, but we don’t consider him at the top of any hierarchy. 
 

I’m loving the rbe principles and idea. Let’s make it happen! I feel we can bridge the gap between now and then.

 

My basic suggestion is this:

 

By working on ourselves, and our communication skills with each other, and having a basic focussed intent of creating the world we want to live in and dispatching with the system, we can do exactly that. 
 

we start by making where we are NOW better.

 

Just pool our knowledge and resources. RBE (or similar) is the goal. The goal is Z. We are at A. Work together to get to B, with the intent of going through c onwards.

 

Togetherness is more efficient than division. The system HAS to use division. They are screwed if we get our arses into gear!

[JCP]

1 hour ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

People baulk at the prospect of anarchy because they do not trust others and feel there need to be rules in place to protect them from abuses.

 

People balk at the prospect of anarchy because the system has told them that it equates to Chaos, No Rules, No Order, and Violence. As usual the system has lied to them. That is not what anarchy is. It simply means without rulers and masters. If it meant what we are told it means, I would have nothing to do with it. This lie is told in order perpetuate their power and explain why we need government. What rules are in place to protect us from the abuses we've experienced lately from government? Fuel shortages, wars, food shortages, inflation, travel restrictions, clot-shots, fake pandemics, social credit system, job loss, etc, are all a product of the rules that our rulers and government have fabricated. Are they really protecting us from abuses or delivering them? I am a proud anarchist.

 

 

What anarchy isn’t about:
Every man for himself
No rules
Chaos
Violence

 

What anarchy is about:
Equal rights
Rules based on natural law (Do no harm or cause another loss)
Order
Self-ownership
Responsibility

 

Quote

The question of anarchy have never been about the way we organize ourselves, it’s always been about having equal human rights and live accordingly. If people come up with questions like “Who will builds the roads?” or “Who will take care of the poor?” then what they are actually saying is “Who will……. if everyone has equal rights?” Do people seriously think that the only way of building roads or taking care of the poor or having some form of education system is by stealing the money from people under the threat of putting them in cages? If we were to remove the idea of government from people’s minds we would still have the knowledge, resources and people. The only thing that needs to go is the idea that some people claim to have moral rights that other people don’t have. If I don’t have the moral right to boss you around and tell you what you can and cannot do with your life and body then nobody on earth can claim such a right because nobody can delegate a right which they don’t have to somebody else or to a group of people.

 

 

https://truthseeker.se/anarchy-vs-government-and-a-resource-based-economy/#:~:text=The definition of

[Mitochondrial Eve]

23 hours ago, JCP said:

 

People balk at the prospect of anarchy because the system has told them that it equates to Chaos, No Rules, No Order, and Violence. As usual the system has lied to them. That is not what anarchy is. It simply means without rulers and masters. If it meant what we are told it means, I would have nothing to do with it. This lie is told in order perpetuate their power and explain why we need government. What rules are in place to protect us from the abuses we've experienced lately from government? Fuel shortages, wars, food shortages, inflation, travel restrictions, clot-shots, fake pandemics, social credit system, job loss, etc, are all a product of the rules that our rulers and government have fabricated. Are they really protecting us from abuses or delivering them? I am a proud anarchist.

 

 

What anarchy isn’t about:
Every man for himself
No rules
Chaos
Violence

 

What anarchy is about:
Equal rights
Rules based on natural law (Do no harm or cause another loss)
Order
Self-ownership
Responsibility

 

 

 

https://truthseeker.se/anarchy-vs-government-and-a-resource-based-economy/#:~:text=The definition of

 

I am aware that anarchy means "without rulers" and am very familiar with Mark Passio's work. But I fear the masses would feel uncomfortable without having any governmental structure in place, telling them what rules to follow and providing enforcement of that, hence why they baulk at the idea. The "pandemic" has shown that the majority of people look to "experts" and leaders to tell them how to behave and would rather abdicate personal responsbility. So, whilst I am sympathetic to the concept of voluntaryism in an ideal world, I don't see the masses buying into it because of a lack of trust in themselves and others.

 

One thing that anarchy does not answer for me is how any violations of the "rules" (natural law) would be enforced. Who would enforce natural law and how? And would the enforcement of natural law need to be policed to make sure that enforcement itself is not against natural law?

 

Can I also ask how you see anarchy would work if (at least some) people don't have empathy and still retain a mindset of distrust of others and a desire for power? Would this not leave anarchy vulnerable to abuse - a free for all - unless some form of enforcement is in place?

 

Max Igan has said that he feels that, before true anarchy could be implemented successfully, an intermediate period is needed where mankind are taught again basic life skills and morality. Do you believe that humanity currently has the maturity and requisite level of responsibility for anarchy to work?

 

[Campion]

On 7/8/2022 at 7:35 PM, JCP said:

I hope you had the chance to visit the link to the site I provided. There are many people that promote an RBE with various ideas. Some are very detailed and some are very basic, allowing the details to form as we go. Some of these groups are The Venus Project, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Free World Charter, etc.

  
Thanks - I just had a look at your link to the RBE. When it says resources (goods & services) are available to all, the accountant in me assumes that therefore assets and liabilities are still held as personal property (tho there's different versions of the system to be fair). That means we can still own our homes, cars, TVs etc (and debts!) but would receive the resources to run them, somehow, tho I don't yet understand the process how these resources are transferred between people from producers to consumers without cash. Is there rationing, bartering or free shops to just take what you want? Rationing implies an authority to police it. 
  
Also as someone approaching retirement, I'm much concerned with my pension finances. Presumably in the RBE there's a place for people who don't work, due to age or disability to live without poverty. Again, without an authority to police it?  It all leads me to think a system like this needs a spiritually developed population, more than we've got now.

Anarchism sounds like communism minus hierarchy. Many communistic organisations are very hierarchical - look at the military or monasteries for example - and I conjecture that the authoritarian control in those kind of communities is necessary because most of us aren't sufficiently developed spiritually and morally to cope with the level of freedom which anarchism provides. Probably deliberately so, as the current pyramid style of society is very profitable for the archons controlling us. So maybe some version of spirituality (or whatever name you prefer) is a necessary part of our journey towards fairer society.  I've long since realised that politics and technology alone are not enough to improve our lives. 

Therefore I'd also conjecture that what's needed is small scale voluntary communities experimenting with these innovative philosophies to see what works in practice. Within the safety of stable and peaceful countries while they get going. Certainly we need some new approaches as lifeboats to save us if the current setup collapses. 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Campion

[DaleP]

On 7/8/2022 at 7:35 PM, JCP said:

No, you are not being pessimistic, because we have to be careful not to fall for traps like a UBI. That is exactly how they plan to use the UBI; as a control system. As a matter of fact, that is how they use money today, as a debt based control system. A UBI only enhances that control.

 

I am getting anxious thoughts or that daunting feeling when everything goes digital in their way because I am getting more and more blocks placed to access an account for one reason or another and we haven't even started the UBI. OK, the account I got blocked was a shopping site but these websites rely heavily on AI and human customer service staff is almost non-exsistent so once your account is locked you have to rely on unfinished FAQ page which leads nowhere. Imagine if this is your UBI account, locked for weeks/months and you wouldn't know what is going on or what can be done about it because there is nobody to talk to on the other end. Then there comes scammers or hackers or even worse you make a mistake and all of your savings gone with click of a button because you sent your funds elsewhere by accident and it's not retrievable.... Many have done this and we are not talking about 100s, larger sums. I guess we'll just hope for the best.

 

As soon as there is a leader type in the truther community, believe me, there will be others who will complain and try to get on that throne.

It would be just the same. I've seen it done.

Edited July 10, 2022 by DaleP

[JCP]

1 hour ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

I am aware that anarchy means "without rulers" and am very familiar with Mark Passio's work. But I fear the masses would feel uncomfortable without having any governmental structure in place, telling them what rules to follow and providing enforcement of that, hence why they baulk at the idea. The "pandemic" has shown that the majority of people look to "experts" and leaders to tell them how to behave and would rather abdicate personal responsbility. So, whilst I am sympathetic to the concept of voluntaryism in an ideal world, I don't see the masses buying into it because of a lack of trust in themselves and others.

 

One thing that anarchy does not answer for me is how any violations of the "rules" (natural law) would be enforced. Who would enforce natural law and how? And would the enforcement of natural law need to be policed to make sure that enforcement itself is not against natural law?

 

Can I also ask how you see anarchy would work if (at least some) people don't have empathy and still retain a mindset of distrust of others and a desire for power? Would this not leave anarchy vulnerable to abuse - a free for all - unless some form of enforcement is in place?

 

Max Igan has said that he feels that, before true anarchy could be implemented successfully, an intermediate period is needed where mankind are taught again basic life skills and morality. Do you believe that humanity currently has the maturity and requisite level of responsibility for anarchy to work?

 

 

Although you know the definition of anarchy, most people cringe at the idea because they associate it with chaos and mayhem as they've been programed to. I know that I did until I discovered it was a lie. If in turn, people were asked if they would rather be a slave or be free; my guess is they would choose freedom. It all depends on how you frame the question and that everyone knows exactly what the words in that question mean. Essentially you are saying people are too stupid or lazy to govern themselves and need someone to tell them what they can or cannot do with their lives and body. I couldn't disagree more and carry a higher opinion of people. I think "the experts" have taken a hit on their credibility due to the "plandemic"; and people understand that these so-called experts can be bought just as easily as a politician. People are starting to flee them instead of embracing their ideas (think masks for example) that make no sense.

 

Would you not be willing to donate your ideas, time, effort and skills to society if you were being given access to anything and everything that was available? When I was a pipe welder, I was compensated well, but that's not why i did the work. My biggest thrill was the pride in my work, and how I had the knack to take a few measurements, go back to the shop and fabricate an intricate assembly, and return to find they fit like a glove. That was my biggest reward.The paycheck was secondary.

 

As to enforcement of natural/moral laws, a system would have to be developed, since this would be a new system and anarchy has never been attempted. It would be an evolution and reserved for crimes like murder, rape, crimes of passion, etc. In an RBE, there would be no motivation to cheat, steal, or game the system if everyone had the same entitlements. Crime would be reduced greatly. There would be no money so there could be no quest for power. The power of the individual would lay in their achievements and contributions. The obsession for greed and power would be eliminated by installing an RBE. The mind virus of Wetico would disappear. I know people don't like change, but they're going to encounter it regardless. Either you'll be a cyborg human 2.0 slave or human that decides your own destiny. You are unique by preferring the former. 

 

I don't know how people with no empathy and a desire for power would achieve that without money. There would be no rulers or leaders, so what would they be able to gain? There would be organizers and managers but they wouldn't be paid and would have the same as everyone else. There would be no motivation for something like that.

 

Yes, there would be a transition stage and almost have to be, but the infrastructure is already set up. If we installed an RBE tomorrow, and everyone carried on with the job they do today, very little would change except for our ability to create our own destiny. You keep talking about peoples' distrust of themselves and others. Haven't governments today demonstrated how truly untrustworthy they really are? How deadly they are? The greatest danger lays in maintaining the course we're on. Under an RBE, we would also have a higher standard of living, however the bean counters would have to find more productive interests.  

[JCP]

10 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

I am getting anxious thoughts or that daunting feeling when everything goes digital in their way because I am getting more and more blocks placed to access an account for one reason or another and we haven't even started the UBI. OK, the account I got blocked was a shopping site but these websites rely heavily on AI and human customer service staff is almost non-exsistent so once your account is locked you have to rely on unfinished FAQ page which leads nowhere. Imagine if this is your UBI account, locked for weeks/months and you wouldn't know what is going on or what can be done about it because there is nobody to talk to on the other end. Then there comes scammers or hackers or even worse you make a mistake and all of your savings gone with click of a button because you sent your funds elsewhere by accident and it's not retrievable.... Many have done this and we are not talking about 100s, larger sums. I guess we'll just hope for the best.

 

 I know what you mean about blocks on your accounts. I tried to access my mortgage account with Wells Fargo and was blocked out. When I called them and asked why, they told me that I had to sign in using my smart phone. When I told them that I didn't own a smart phone, and have always used my computer with user name and password there was a long pause; and finally they told me that they no longer used that system for security reasons, and if I wanted to access my account, I would have to visit a local branch to do so. When I asked what was the security risk, since the transactions only went one way, me to them, and the only danger was someone might login and make a payment for me ...... she hung up on me.

 

Once the social credit system kicks in, I'll probably have so many dings that instead of depositing money in my account, they'll be pulling funds. 

[DaleP]

10 hours ago, JCP said:

 

 I know what you mean about blocks on your accounts. I tried to access my mortgage account with Wells Fargo and was blocked out. When I called them and asked why, they told me that I had to sign in using my smart phone. When I told them that I didn't own a smart phone, and have always used my computer with user name and password there was a long pause; and finally they told me that they no longer used that system for security reasons, and if I wanted to access my account, I would have to visit a local branch to do so. When I asked what was the security risk, since the transactions only went one way, me to them, and the only danger was someone might login and make a payment for me ...... she hung up on me.

 

Once the social credit system kicks in, I'll probably have so many dings that instead of depositing money in my account, they'll be pulling funds. 

 

What if your *smart*phone gets stolen and someone access your account then?

Bearing in mind that the cash flow is only one way.....

 

If you can, it might be a good time to re-mortgage elsewhere? You might find a good alternative. Never miss  an opportunity which comes along as a disaster. It won't harm you by looking anyway.

[Green Dragon]

18 hours ago, JCP said:

Yes, there would be a transition stage and almost have to be, but the infrastructure is already set up. If we installed an RBE tomorrow, and everyone carried on with the job they do today, very little would change except for our ability to create our own destiny

Absolutely agree. The’transitional stage’, however is where the magic happens.

 

Mitochondrial Eve expresses strongly the need for empathy and heart-based communication. I couldn’t agree more. 
 

A group of fifty individuals or families, with heart based, authentic and accurate communication skills, who have a clear intent on giving each other the best life imaginable, working together well will do better in any area of life than the same fifty struggling independently. 
 

This is the microcosm of the RBE. It scales up to the whole world, and even scales down to the individual oneself, when describing different aspects of mind and body.

 

If a group of even five people decide to start a revolution within themselves as individuals and as a group, work in a heart based way in a way that benefits everyone, that group will have greater abundance and therefore greater ability to expand, communicate with the world, and become ungovernable.

 

I am with people working on precisely this now, but of course we want more people involved. 

[JCP]

19 hours ago, Campion said:

  
Thanks - I just had a look at your link to the RBE. When it says resources (goods & services) are available to all, the accountant in me assumes that therefore assets and liabilities are still held as personal property (tho there's different versions of the system to be fair). That means we can still own our homes, cars, TVs etc (and debts!) but would receive the resources to run them, somehow, tho I don't yet understand the process how these resources are transferred between people from producers to consumers without cash. Is there rationing, bartering or free shops to just take what you want? Rationing implies an authority to police it. 
  
Also as someone approaching retirement, I'm much concerned with my pension finances. Presumably in the RBE there's a place for people who don't work, due to age or disability to live without poverty. Again, without an authority to police it?  It all leads me to think a system like this needs a spiritually developed population, more than we've got now.

Anarchism sounds like communism minus hierarchy. Many communistic organisations are very hierarchical - look at the military or monasteries for example - and I conjecture that the authoritarian control in those kind of communities is necessary because most of us aren't sufficiently developed spiritually and morally to cope with the level of freedom which anarchism provides. Probably deliberately so, as the current pyramid style of society is very profitable for the archons controlling us. So maybe some version of spirituality (or whatever name you prefer) is a necessary part of our journey towards fairer society.  I've long since realised that politics and technology alone are not enough to improve our lives.  

 

In a RBE, there is no money; therefore there is no debt, barter, trade, liability, pensions, ownership, taxes, credit, etc. What there is, is access. Access to food, shelter, transportation, water, communication, furniture, entertainment, and all products that are available, at no cost. Money and ownership is overrated. We don't need money, we just the things that money buys. With money, you are limited by how much you have. If you don't have enough, you die. In an RBE, there is no rationing. If something is available to one, it's available to all. Money and competition slows our progress because we're always battling each other to get ahead individually, when we could all be working together in synergy in the form of cooperation and the betterment of all. Our present monetary system has us fighting one another, and I think it was designed that way on purpose.  

 

I agree that humanity would need empathy, and probably a spiritually developed population. I believe humans are naturally empathetic, but our current system has distorted that quality that drives us to be greedy and self absorbed, and has given us the Wetico mind virus syndrome. Spiritual people believe that we are all one; so whatever affects you, affects me and everyone else. So yes, everyone needs to be nurtured.

 

I also agree that there needs to be rules that society instills ..... not an authority. With the advent of the internet, I think there is a way for all people to come together to develop a consensus of what those rules are, and how to enforce them. Also if an RBE were adopted, it would have to be accepted by a vast majority of the people and not forced upon us.

 

An RBE is more like communism than anarchy. Anarchy is about the rules that society decides we need instead of an authority dictating them. It is like a political system. An RBE is akin to the economical system and how goods and services are distributed. Understand that true communism has never been instituted in the history of man and the communism that we know today is a perverted form and more resembles a hybrid of capitalism. Remember that the root word of communism is community.   

 

You state that most of us aren't sufficiently developed spiritually and morally to cope with such a change, and I understand your concern. The point is that our hand is being forced with the changes that governments are enacting. Examples are The Great Reset, UBI, forced clot-shots, eating bugs, genocide thru poisons, mask wearing, avoiding each other thru social distancing, propaganda, social credit scoring, mass surveillance, gender confusion ...... and I could go on. My point is that it's possible that a move to an anarchic/RBE could instill the spiritual and moral compass in people that is needed and allow us to remember who we really are. Humans are sick with the Wetico mind virus and this move has the ability to heal us. If you have a better alternative, I'd love to hear it. There very well may be one, but this is the best one I've found. As I've stated before, time is short and our hand is being forced. The Great Reset is supposed to be fully implemented by 2030 (I've heard they changed that to 2027). If we don't act ....... the archons will prevail .... and it won't be pretty.

 

The other aspect of an RBE that I should have mentioned is the environment. Unlike the rampant destruction of the earth to acquire resources, an RBE takes into account what the implications our actions are to the environment, and attempts to minimize them regardless of the effort required or seek an alternative.  

 

 

 

[kj35]

On 7/8/2022 at 9:22 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 DI has pointed out that what is needed for the world to change is for people to have empathy which negates any desire to have power over others. I think this is one of the most profound things he has said and I don't see anything changing positively, whichever political structure is adopted, until our collective consciousness has made leaps and bounds into greater personal responsibility and a heart based frame of mind.

I have felt for a very long time now that it is not power that is wrong with the world but abuse of power. Power in altruistic loving and caring hands can be a good thing. As you point out many humans look to experts and advisors, leaders for their steer. Abdicating responsibilty to another. Really it is an extension of the parent / child relationship many still crave into adulthood.My fear is that over and over humans have shown an inability to evade corruption by power such that inevitably an AI type power  / control system will be introduced. Removing responsibility from the human race completely. They'll probably even call it something crass like 'mother'. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by kj35

[JCP]

8 hours ago, DaleP said:

If you can, it might be a good time to re-mortgage elsewhere? You might find a good alternative. Never miss  an opportunity which comes along as a disaster. It won't harm you by looking anyway.

 

My mortgage rate is 3.5% fixed and today, no one is offering close to that. I think they're hovering around 5.5%. Besides, I didn't go thru Wells Fargo to get my mortgage, it was sold to them. The same thing could happen again and at a higher interest rate.

[JCP]

On 7/7/2022 at 7:45 PM, Campion said:

Yes, ruling shouldn't be a class system. But suggesting that we don't need any leaders at all is beyond my ken, would you elaborate on this?

Or maybe I misunderstand. When I say leaders I don't only mean politicians, but also people to manage any organisations, like businesses, public services, schools, religious and community groups. Is there a way to have a totally egalitarian society? 

 

Words are so malleable and carry a different connotation with each of us. I think the word "leaders" is what caught my attention. The word "manager" would be more to my liking. Leaders (to me) implies someone that chooses a path that followers are suppose to accept. 

[JCP]

1 hour ago, Green Dragon said:

Mitochondrial Eve expresses strongly the need for empathy and heart-based communication. I couldn’t agree more. 

 

Ditto. I believe the loss of empathy is due to the current system we live under. Where I think Mitochondrial Eve and I differ is that she would like empathy to return before we make a change; and I believe we will never regain empathy until we do make the change. As I mentioned to Champion, time is short and our hand is being forced. The Great Reset will be upon us before we know it, and there will be no recovering from it.

 

  "The time to guard against corruption and tyranny, is before they shall have gotten hold on us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold, than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered." ~ TJ

 

Where we are now, is that we have allowed the wolf to enter the fold, and it's about to eat us.

[DaleP]

1 hour ago, JCP said:

 

My mortgage rate is 3.5% fixed and today, no one is offering close to that. I think they're hovering around 5.5%. Besides, I didn't go thru Wells Fargo to get my mortgage, it was sold to them. The same thing could happen again and at a higher interest rate.

 

Sounds dodgy to me.

It's like council selling parking ticket fines to a debt collector which you have no contract with. Obviously I don't know ins and outs.....

May be you should refuse to pay the higher rate should WF sells it to another company? i.e. you don't agree with the new deal and want to pay the same rate?

[DaleP]

15 minutes ago, JCP said:

 

Ditto. I believe the loss of empathy is due to the current system we live under. Where I think Mitochondrial Eve and I differ is that she would like empathy to return before we make a change; and I believe we will never regain empathy until we do make the change. As I mentioned to Champion, time is short and our hand is being forced. The Great Reset will be upon us before we know it, and there will be no recovering from it.

 

  "The time to guard against corruption and tyranny, is before they shall have gotten hold on us. It is better to keep the wolf out of the fold, than to trust to drawing his teeth and talons after he shall have entered." ~ TJ

 

Where we are now, is that we have allowed the wolf to enter the fold, and it's about to eat us.

 

OR may be they didn't have empathy in the first place so it won't return because they never had before?