Is There a Cure For Anxiety?

[novymir]

33 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Actually your response makes little sense and is contradictory.

If we live in a simulation, then that would tend to mean AI runs it all, not a 'god' per se.

God is a loaded term which sets people against each other.  If you still believe in a single all powerful god/ being/ devil then I am not the one asleep. Either way, believe what you want, its not my job to change your belief system.  

 

Either way, I am not choosing to be derogatory about your belief system or to prove I am right, and this discussion has nothing to do with anxiety.

BTW I am not depressed nor do I suffer from anxiety because I took the time to find out how my brain-heart connection works to overcome any negative outside influences so that I do not get sucked down that road to nowhere.

It has everything to do with "anxiety". And every other "ill'.

 

The ego cannot comprehend Truth. That's how and why Truth can and does operate within this thing. The ego is an inversion  and inverter of "self"-"reality".

We are either guided by The Spirit, or controlled by the ego. The "ego" is  "artificial-intelligence"(an oxymoron), fake, counterfeit.

Only The Spirit leads back to Reality.

 

"GOD" essentially means Governing Principle, if anyone does a reasonably objective appraisal of the nature of this world it's not hard to see what the governing principle/principles are.

The "ego" is a system of belief contrary to Truth, as this world is;  a contradiction to Reality=miscreation=fantasy-illusion-dream.

 

Looks like you're a member of the "positivity" cult... a "religion" also...nothing "wrong" with that...it's a trip....

 

 

[oddsnsods]

They admitted yesterday that depression is not caused by serotonin depletion & anti depressants ( mainly fluoride) theyve been prescribing for years are basically useless as a treatment ..like we didnt know already.

 

But they will fry your serotonin receptors like methamphetamine does & you become permanently depressed without & a total zombie with.

 

Trust the science.

 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by oddsnsods

[Campion]

6 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

They admitted yesterday that depression is not caused by serotonin depletion & anti depressants ( mainly fluoride) theyve been prescribing for years are basically useless as a treatment ..like we didnt know already.

 

But they will fry your serotonin receptors like methamphetamine does & you become permanently depressed without & a total zombie with.

 

Trust the science.

 

Interesting. Do you have a reference for this, I'd like to read more about it. 

[oddsnsods]

15 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Interesting. Do you have a reference for this, I'd like to read more about it. 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o1808

 

 

[Campion]

32 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o1808 

 

Thanks :) It's amazing how the establishment can push an idea for decades, and get away with it, while all the time the science behind it is flaky, to say the least. How come they only just noticed it now? I suspect that a lot of so-called science is based on conformity and group-think. 

I took an ssri once when I had depression, and it seemed to help, perhaps I was just lucky.

 

An aside, but by coincidence I was surprised the other day when I was researching some garden flowers I like called Lampranthus to discover it contains a naturally occurring ssri called mesembrenol. Perhaps I'll look further into herbal treatments if I get depressed again, lord knows there's enough cause for it these days. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampranthus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesembrenone 

[Ibizan Hound]

On 7/4/2022 at 12:41 AM, The OC said:

 

Mexicans use something called "Blues" to handle anxiety. I strongly recommend it from what I've seen. They be so tranquil that city buses, sirens or much of anything fail to draw them from their mental state of serenity.

[Gluoniel]

I still have anxiety but now it's very manageable. Although, long trips on car or bus can be somehow hard with bad breathing and choking feeling. Sometimes I get fear of vomiting but I'm able to relax or distract myself with something else.

 

Some years ago, it was extremely hard. I developed agoraphobia and many times, I was all day with the anxiety feeling. Some trips to my home town or to the beach could get very hard but I tried to take the trips as therapy.

 

I tried many things, some relaxation techniques, slow breathing, passionflower extracts, natural remedies, you know, but none worked.

 

What worked was sertraline, an antidepressant. That was the only thing that helped and yes, I think it improved my mood. I felt more confident, relaxed, and I think (I think) I didn't care too much about things!

[RobinJ]

5 hours ago, Gluoniel said:

I still have anxiety but now it's very manageable. Although, long trips on car or bus can be somehow hard with bad breathing and choking feeling. Sometimes I get fear of vomiting but I'm able to relax or distract myself with something else.

 

Some years ago, it was extremely hard. I developed agoraphobia and many times, I was all day with the anxiety feeling. Some trips to my home town or to the beach could get very hard but I tried to take the trips as therapy.

 

I tried many things, some relaxation techniques, slow breathing, passionflower extracts, natural remedies, you know, but none worked.

 

What worked was sertraline, an antidepressant. That was the only thing that helped and yes, I think it improved my mood. I felt more confident, relaxed, and I think (I think) I didn't care too much about things!

 

Drugs are not the answer. The answer is to find the root of all the fear you feel or figure out where you learned that behaviour from. All the things you describe are progressions of fear. Learn to be in control of your own mind instead of allowing it to control you. Understanding why or how it manifests can often unlock the answer. 

There are so many ways to get over anxiety without brain suppressant drugs.

 

[RobinJ]

On 7/23/2022 at 11:51 AM, Campion said:

 

Thanks :) It's amazing how the establishment can push an idea for decades, and get away with it, while all the time the science behind it is flaky, to say the least. How come they only just noticed it now? I suspect that a lot of so-called science is based on conformity and group-think. 

I took an ssri once when I had depression, and it seemed to help, perhaps I was just lucky.

 

An aside, but by coincidence I was surprised the other day when I was researching some garden flowers I like called Lampranthus to discover it contains a naturally occurring ssri called mesembrenol. Perhaps I'll look further into herbal treatments if I get depressed again, lord knows there's enough cause for it these days. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampranthus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesembrenone 

I am almost of the opinion now that all pharma based medical science is based on flawed initial assumptions, thereby rendering the so called solutions more harmful than useful.

[TetraG]

Interesting, in agreement about ego at least.

 

I tend to side with positivity (and obviously not just b//c it is sweet n sugary STS)..... It's only ever a cultist thing SO TO SPEAK (**if** WE taint it with such a paradigm by embalming it distastefully with capricious ironies where none are needed if one knows their own mind sufficiently, then it's not a problem.... and that is helped by being mindful rather than spiraling into being overly self critical trap or where others may fall prey to that likewise if someone is trying to bring them down based on just a hypothesis as it were)... SO THEN going back to this if you brandish POSITIVITY a cult, it's pretty much an uncalled for paradigm OR to put more SIMPLY === TO LABEL IT seems a bit futile, as if the aim were to catch it leaking UNTRUTHS, in other words?? Well any mechanisms of the mind ought to be able to deal with that and as subtle as the mind is in some people, should therefore be auto-suggested by our innate ability to assess and see where best suited is a SELF prognosis were one necessary, ie, what is good and what is not, and what to expect from trying to be say a productive person......Kind or Unkind,... Helpful or not, etc...... BUT to go further (too far IMO) to label or call it a cult, seems unnecessary to me, with no discernable benefit for doing that about why POSITIVITY is somehow a cult....Saying that merely reframes it by some critical means and doesn't actually address the already largely non-issue (AI & MSM aside and all that), especially in regard to Self where we ourselves have control how we perceive what is good for us and are hopefully aware enough to make sound reasoning based on how we feel and interact with things that make us feel happy or sad, to process that HOW WE LIKE INDIVIDUALLY, or where somethings are perhaps better internalized ~ to maybe consider making more of our inner dialogue to this end if the outer world has little scope for true positivity to offer..

 

So basicly, (& its not like I haven't thought IN DEPTH about this, I HAVE many times, but have made my peace with such dualities for the most part).... I can only see it could be cultist in nature IF either one is brain-washed, OR if one goes into having what they think is positivity blindly or naively where lack of balance in one's life is maintained in order to understand what is HARD, what is SOFT, likewise what is POSITIVE, what is NEGATIVE, or in FLUX between the two.

 

 

###### Ps, Not being ignorant, but I did NOT address Anxiety in my above writing as that would have (in this instance) unnecessarily interfered with my thought process and ability to express simply. But of course I acknowledge Anxiety is of it self an important aspect of our lives. ######  

Edited October 23, 2022 by TetraG
Last but one paragraph now states peace as part of how I was able to resist fighting with myself over this kind of a thing.

[Gluoniel]

On 9/26/2022 at 8:42 AM, RobinJ said:

 

Drugs are not the answer. The answer is to find the root of all the fear you feel or figure out where you learned that behaviour from. All the things you describe are progressions of fear. Learn to be in control of your own mind instead of allowing it to control you. Understanding why or how it manifests can often unlock the answer. 

There are so many ways to get over anxiety without brain suppressant drugs.

 

 

This didn't work for me. I know it is only a psychological trigger of only thinking or remembering the anxiety feeling but even being conscious that it's only psychological wasn't enough to calm my mind.

 

Well, I think I needed to consult a psychologist, also. I didn't do that. I only consulted a psychiatrist and he only told me it was social phobia and prescribed pills.

 

At least in the present it's more manageable.

[RobinJ]

20 hours ago, Gluoniel said:

 

This didn't work for me. I know it is only a psychological trigger of only thinking or remembering the anxiety feeling but even being conscious that it's only psychological wasn't enough to calm my mind.

 

Well, I think I needed to consult a psychologist, also. I didn't do that. I only consulted a psychiatrist and he only told me it was social phobia and prescribed pills.

 

At least in the present it's more manageable.

You cant expect a deep rooted emotional issue to cure in one episode of trying ( if thats what you mean by not working
?). Even pharma dont do that. Psychological issues take time to clear and you have to keep at it.

[Gluoniel]

Yeah, you are right. I needed to explore more the psychological and emotional side of anxiety. I didn't think it was about some emotional trauma, because I know what my traumas were and are. I think they aren't too traumatic, lol.

 

But well, it must not be so simple and I think you are right. I needed more guidance from a psychologist.

 

But don't think I didn't try psychological methods to overcome anxiety. I tried: slow breathing, breathing with the abdomen, tapping technique for stress relief, etc.

[RobinJ]

20 hours ago, Gluoniel said:

Yeah, you are right. I needed to explore more the psychological and emotional side of anxiety. I didn't think it was about some emotional trauma, because I know what my traumas were and are. I think they aren't too traumatic, lol.

 

But well, it must not be so simple and I think you are right. I needed more guidance from a psychologist.

 

But don't think I didn't try psychological methods to overcome anxiety. I tried: slow breathing, breathing with the abdomen, tapping technique for stress relief, etc.

I would guess that you have to figure out what the trigger is for the anxiety. Often its not what we expect as a 'trauma' per se. Sometimes it can be something so small that you are not even aware of it, such as one offhand comment, but over time the fear response chemical makes the body addicted to it and as such other things get added to the mix and the original trigger gets lost which the  makes it more difficult to root out. Dod you ever try CBT? ( cognitive behavioural therapy) 

[Gluoniel]

I didn't try CBT.

 

3 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Often its not what we expect as a 'trauma' per se. Sometimes it can be something so small that you are not even aware of it, such as one offhand comment

 

You are right and that is a little scary

[RobinJ]

16 hours ago, Gluoniel said:

I didn't try CBT.

 

 

You are right and that is a little scary

Thats where the answers lie though. And, breaking through the fear is a big part of the process. Once you break the fear pattern those things no longer affect you, and, thereby true freedom awaits.... It really is worth the effort

[DaleP]

Try exorcism.

 

[JONJAY79]

Pregnenolone and magnesium good for anxiety. 

So is dhea.

[rebornsteve]

On 9/26/2022 at 2:42 PM, RobinJ said:

 

Drugs are not the answer. The answer is to find the root of all the fear you feel or figure out where you learned that behaviour from. All the things you describe are progressions of fear. Learn to be in control of your own mind instead of allowing it to control you. Understanding why or how it manifests can often unlock the answer. 

There are so many ways to get over anxiety without brain suppressant drugs.

 

This 10 minute video is bang on. Thank you so much for posting and thank you @The OC for starting this topic.

 

I may well add a lengthy explanation as to why this is so important to me and my partner right now in our lives, but just to say thank you both, and that my partner and I are now motivated to attend local mindfulness and yoga sessions starting 10am tomorrow. 
 

God bless you both and all of us

[RobinJ]

On 7/8/2022 at 12:34 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Yeah and it all sounds similar to Scientology. 

 

Not for me thanks, I had a quick look into it, definitely not for me 

This is pure fear mindset. You cant possibly absorb the full GNM idea in 'a quick look'

Its has zero to do with scientology which is basically a cult.  No idea how you came to such conclusion.

Part of anxiety solving is being able to recognise the triggers. It can be as simple as something someone said to you years ago which set up a bad neural pathway.  Anxiety is 100 % psychological. You CHOOSE to stay in that mindset running the same worn out program over and over.

[pi3141]

11 hours ago, RobinJ said:

This is pure fear mindset. 

 

Quote from Wiki - 

 

Ryke Geerd Hamer (17 May 1935 – 2 July 2017)[1] was a German ex-physician and the originator of Germanic New Medicine (GNM), also formerly known as German New Medicine and New Medicine, a system of pseudo-medicine that purports to be able to cure cancer.[2]

 

Hamer claimed that his method was a "Germanic" alternative to mainstream clinical medicine, which he claimed is part of a Jewish conspiracy to decimate non-Jews.

 

 

I read further. 

 

This guy believes Cancer was invented by the Jews to kill non Jews - THAT is a fear based mindset.

 

I doubt I can take little from someone who thinks from such fear and prejudice as he displays.

 

[RobinJ]

5 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Quote from Wiki - 

 

Ryke Geerd Hamer (17 May 1935 – 2 July 2017)[1] was a German ex-physician and the originator of Germanic New Medicine (GNM), also formerly known as German New Medicine and New Medicine, a system of pseudo-medicine that purports to be able to cure cancer.[2]

 

Hamer claimed that his method was a "Germanic" alternative to mainstream clinical medicine, which he claimed is part of a Jewish conspiracy to decimate non-Jews.

 

 

I read further. 

 

This guy believes Cancer was invented by the Jews to kill non Jews - THAT is a fear based mindset.

 

I doubt I can take little from someone who thinks from such fear and prejudice as he displays.

 

Well perhaps instead of using wikipedia as your source channel, you should know he was killed off after trying to get his work recognised for many years. However, if you prefer to use a very biased info source then you get what you deserve. Anyone can accuse someone of anything with no proof at all just by rewriting a wikipedia page just ask David Icke.

Many germans were Jews as were lots of other races in Europe. Doesn't make them auto bad people. That is s very blinded approach and based on fear.

FYI he didn't believe that cancer was invented by Jews.

He was a very respected oncology doctor whose own young son died very suddenly. Shortly after his death he himself contracted cancer. This is what led him on the journey of understanding that big emotional traumas cause the body to react. Cancer is one of those things the body uses to rid itself of the trauma that is trapped in cells. He took thousands if brain scans of his patients to prove his work and the connections. 

Every person I've met with anxiety has trauma issues that need healing. Jumping straight to a negative mindset is part of it.

 

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Well perhaps instead of using wikipedia as your source channel, you should know he was killed off after trying to get his work recognised for many years. However, if you prefer to use a very biased info source then you get what you deserve. Anyone can accuse someone of anything with no proof at all just by rewriting a wikipedia page just ask David Icke.

Many germans were Jews as were lots of other races in Europe. Doesn't make them auto bad people. That is s very blinded approach and based on fear.

FYI he didn't believe that cancer was invented by Jews.

He was a very respected oncology doctor whose own young son died very suddenly. Shortly after his death he himself contracted cancer. This is what led him on the journey of understanding that big emotional traumas cause the body to react. Cancer is one of those things the body uses to rid itself of the trauma that is trapped in cells. He took thousands if brain scans of his patients to prove his work and the connections. 

Every person I've met with anxiety has trauma issues that need healing. Jumping straight to a negative mindset is part of it.

 

 

It wasn't wiki where I read he believes the Jews actually invented cancer to kill off everyone else. But that's what I read when I first looked several months ago.

[RobinJ]

2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

It wasn't wiki where I read he believes the Jews actually invented cancer to kill off everyone else. But that's what I read when I first looked several months ago.

Well a great rule of thumb re wikipedia in particular is if they call anything "pseudo" then it's worth paying attention and doing more research as its probably close to the truth.

Another example of wiki nonsense is the Bosnian pyramids, which they called pseudo. Those things are being excavated and are obviously pyramids

[RobinJ]

On 7/20/2022 at 6:40 PM, novymir said:

It has everything to do with "anxiety". And every other "ill'.

 

The ego cannot comprehend Truth. That's how and why Truth can and does operate within this thing. The ego is an inversion  and inverter of "self"-"reality".

We are either guided by The Spirit, or controlled by the ego. The "ego" is  "artificial-intelligence"(an oxymoron), fake, counterfeit.

Only The Spirit leads back to Reality.

 

"GOD" essentially means Governing Principle, if anyone does a reasonably objective appraisal of the nature of this world it's not hard to see what the governing principle/principles are.

The "ego" is a system of belief contrary to Truth, as this world is;  a contradiction to Reality=miscreation=fantasy-illusion-dream.

 

Looks like you're a member of the "positivity" cult... a "religion" also...nothing "wrong" with that...it's a trip....

 

 

It's very patronising to call someone you know nothing about part of a cult simply because your own ego needs to be right. And no, I'm not exclusively positive, but I choose to be that way more often than not because being negative leads to all kinds of psychological problems.