Scottish independence vote 2.0?

[Celticdevil]

Rigsby when the black guy said he was a prince was classic

[Greenhulk50]

Independence in Scotland will never happen! The Queen won't allow the break up of the Union .

[Celticdevil]

1 hour ago, Greenhulk50 said:

Independence in Scotland will never happen! The Queen won't allow the break up of the Union .

Are you pulling my chain lol 

[Greenhulk50]

14 hours ago, Celticdevil said:

Are you pulling my chain lol 

Read David Ickes books and you will see were lizzie is at the top of the Pyramid bloodline elite , all this Sturgeon Independence vote is bullshit just like every other vote, your being suckered and your falling for it,  it's not me that's pulling your chain it's the politicians, do you really believe them ? they are all in on it.

Your ID is Celticdevil don't tell me your a mad Celtic football fan who votes for  independence?  

[Dickwan]

15 hours ago, Greenhulk50 said:

Independence in Scotland will never happen! The Queen won't allow the break up of the Union .

I was thinking the same myself. As an obvious example, we saw how our American cousins fixed the 2020 presidential election in such a brazen fashion, so it's within their (TPTB) means. 

 

In short, we will get the outcome the power elites want regardless of the vote. I assume it won't be independence, but who knows what their longer term strategy is. 

 

I live in Scotland but I don't have a dog in this fight; I don't have any allegiance to Scottish or British (or "European") nationalist movements. 

 

[Celticdevil]

6 hours ago, Greenhulk50 said:

Read David Ickes books and you will see were lizzie is at the top of the Pyramid bloodline elite , all this Sturgeon Independence vote is bullshit just like every other vote, your being suckered and your falling for it,  it's not me that's pulling your chain it's the politicians, do you really believe them ? they are all in on it.

Your ID is Celticdevil don't tell me your a mad Celtic football fan who votes for  independence?  

Yep 

[Celticdevil]

I don’t believe politicians ever hulk

[Celticdevil]

But our day will come

[Macnamara]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:34 PM, Nefaria said:

No, I really don't believe that, I think it's in your head, you are the one (and not the only one) that has been manipulated by consecutive conservative governments, right leaning media, anti foreigner anti europe hysteria and your own deep rooted fears of people that are different.

 

I enjoy meeting people of different cultures, beliefs and ideas, i learn a lot from them, and some of them are the nicest people i have ever met.

 

you don't believe that the population of the UK has grown?

 

you don't believe that there is a deliberate policy of mass immigration going on not only into the UK but also into europe?

 

i can't believe you would even try and argue those points!

 

The protocol when rescuing someone from sea is to return them to the nearest port and yet we have UK border force and UK RNLI travelling across the english channel to pick up boatloads of migrants that are in french waters

 

The same thing occured in the meditarranean where cabal funded NGO boats were travelling across to ferry african migrants over to europe:

 

 

[Macnamara]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:27 PM, Nefaria said:

More terror attacks? From mass immigration.... Really?  Are you sure about that?  Thought there was a lot more trouble from the IRA during the 1960s to 80s!

 

yes more terror attacks have occurred with mass immigration. The irish would probably argue that their war was the result of MASS immigration from britain into ireland such as the protestant settlers in ulster...

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:34 PM, Nefaria said:

I enjoy meeting people of different cultures, beliefs and ideas, i learn a lot from them, and some of them are the nicest people i have ever met.

 

that's not the issue here

 

The issue here is that a situation is being set up here

 

so if you step back and look at the bigger picture we can see more clearly what that situation is. We have a hundred food processing plants being burned down through arson in the USA. We have chickens being slaughtered in the UK because of claimed outbreaks of 'avian bird flu'. We have the dutch government now clashing with the dutch farmers because they want to seize farming land to build on it. We have british farmers being paid to stop farming whilst massive house building projects are going on across the country

 

We have rishi sunak increasing the money supply by a third in two years causing massive inflation which essentially means the purchasing power of the currency held in the bank accounts of the public is going down

 

We have biden in the US forcing gasoline companies to include plant based additives in the fuel which is increasing costs at the pump. We have a war in ukraine that is preventing millions of tons of grain from leaving the 'bread basket of europe' as well as fuel uncertainties due to the disruptions to oil and gas supply lines. We have forest fires being created in the US and australia by antifa arsonists lighting up the dry brush that used to be cleared in controlled burnings that were stopped to 'prevent release of carbon' into the atmosphere.

 

And at the same time as we see all this orchestrated SCARCITY we see the very same people who are behind it all flooding more migrants into the west. Well if there is going to be LESS of everything including such vital things as: food, fuel and water then why would we want to have MORE people in the country that all have to be fed?

 

It's setting us up to fail: problem, reaction, solution

 

What the globalists want is for the current paradigm to fail so that they create a crisis which will lead to panic and despair amongst the general population so that the cabal can then offer up their own pre-prepared solution: a technocracy where the government controls and rations everyones: food, fuel, water and energy. This will give them total centralised control over all of the worlds resources and by extension all of the worlds people

Edited July 18, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 6/30/2022 at 12:32 PM, Nefaria said:

 I don't agree we your side of the argument about immigration, I believe blaming stuff on them is fed to us by the establishment so they can further divide and control us!

 

I don't blame the immigrants. I blame the people who are orchestrating the mass immigration. Those globalist billionaires know EXACTLY what they are doing and it is sabotage plain and simple:

Sacramento's homeless population soars by 67% and is now HIGHER than San Francisco while crime rises in tandem with robbery up 42% and rapes nearly doubling: Activists blame skyrocketing price of rentals for the crisis in California's capital city

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11026705/Sacramento-homeless-population-67-higher-San-Fran-activists-blame-surging-rents.html

 

DC is only 'experiencing a fraction of the disaster created by Biden's reckless border policies': Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tears into Washington Mayor Bowser complaining that city's homeless shelters are filling up with migrants 'dumped' by his state

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11025645/Greg-Abbott-tears-DC-Mayor-Bowser-complaining-citys-homeless-filling-migrants.html

Germany sees migration-related spending of 78 billion euros through 2022: report

By Reuters Staff

May 19, 201812:25 PMUpdated 4 years ago

Germany expects to spend around 78 billion euros on migration-related issues through 2022, including 31 billion euros to combat the root causes driving people to leave their homes and head to Europe, Der Spiegel magazine reported on Saturday.

The magazine cited a document drafted by the German Finance Ministry which estimates federal spending of around 70 billion euros through 2022, plus an additional eight billion euros that the federal government agreed to transfer to states and local communities to cover their costs through 2021.

Social payments to migrants in Germany are projected to account for about 21 billion euros through 2022, with another 13 billion to be spent on language courses and other integrative measures, the magazine cited the document as saying.

Processing, registration and accommodations for refugees would cost 5.2 billion, according to the estimate.

German is working to integrate over a million migrants who entered the country in 2015 and 2016 after a key decision by German Chancellor Angela Merkel that has hit her popularity.

A public backlash against the decision helped catapult the far-right, eurosceptic Alternative for Germany (AfD) party into the lower house of parliament in the September national elections.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-budget-migrants-idUSKCN1IK0EG

 

[Celticdevil]

I am still for independence but not for sturgeon and her cronies they only give the illusion of wanting Indy what they really want is there high paid jobs and stay on the gravy train of Westminster.

They haven’t made any progress on Indy in the last two years and have no intention of doing anything serious about it this latest stunt was another con to kick the can further down the road.

There objective to run again at next general election on a vote for Indy only another move to con the people of Scotland to vote for there crazy woke lbtcdtqrfd agenda a lot off the once snp members and supporters have now woken up thanks to blogs like wings over Scotland. I also believe that if Scotland voted for indy that the snp should disband “imagine that happening “ and a vote for new parties should commence and a vote for applying to join European should be put to the Scottish people 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Celticdevil
Spell check

[Macnamara]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:34 PM, Nefaria said:

No, I really don't believe that, I think it's in your head

it's all in my head is it? bare in mind the BBC are the media wing of the british establishment:

BBC Reporter Highlights ‘Problem’ of English Female Football Team Being White

Oh no, the horror.

Published 7 days ago on 14 July, 2022

Paul Joseph Watson

A BBC Sports presenter introduced a bizarre segment which expressed concern about the English female football team comprising of players who are all white.

Yes, really.

The presenter praised the team for securing an 8-0 victory against Norway to book their place in the quarter finals of the women’s Euro 2022 tournament.

However, she then ludicrously drew attention to their skin color.

“But all starting 11 players and the 5 substitutes that came on to the pitch were all white,” lamented the presenter, as if this was a bad thing.

“And that does point towards a lack of diversity in the women’s game,” she added.

WTF exactly does this presenter want the English coach to do if the 15 most talented/tactically appropriate players for the match happen to be white?

Jeopardise the score in the name of “diversity”?

The BBC are a joke. pic.twitter.com/I05h1zjG3I

— Emily Hewertson (@emilyhewertson) July 13, 2022

 

The reporter then threw to a piece by black presenter Alex Scott about the same supposed ‘problem’.

English people being white? In a country that is around 85 per cent white?

The absolute horror.

Would they express similar concern about the Nigerian team being all black?

Perhaps the BBC will draw attention to the shocking lack of diversity in the UK grime scene next?

Or maybe not.

Of course, if the entire team was black, that would be celebrated and not seen as a problem at all.

“WTF exactly does this presenter want the English coach to do if the 15 most talented/tactically appropriate players for the match happen to be white?” asked Emily Hewertson.

“Jeopardise the score in the name of “diversity”? The BBC are a joke.”

https://summit.news/2022/07/14/bbc-reporter-highlights-problem-of-english-female-football-team-being-white/

 

[Anti Facts Sir]

Yeah, quite what a SCOTTISH presenter was doing, stirring this shit up, is food for thought. Course it's all by design, she wouldn't have said it unless told to.

[EnigmaticWorld]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:34 PM, Nefaria said:

consecutive conservative governments

 

Where? Fiscally conservative maybe, but never culturally. They conserve nothing of importance. Who cares about shekels when your nation is being given to people that are taught to hate you by the media and the establishment as soon as they get off the boat?

 

 

"There is no question those that voted for the Conservatives in 2019 expected a shift towards patriotic conservatism, whereas we have a government operating to the left of Blair."

https://www.bournbrookmag.com/home/failure-after-failure-the-tories-in-government

Edited July 21, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[Tinfoil Hat]

I have to confess that as much as I enjoy the English language and word-smithery, often these days I find myself wanting to confront these messengers and tell them to fuck all the way off in the most scathing manner possible.

 

They've no logical thought process, zero scruples and each of them is a charisma void. Just plenty of dosh from their 30 pieces of silver for betraying their own families and ancestors. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

[HAARPING_On]

On 7/18/2022 at 7:59 PM, Macnamara said:

 

you don't believe that the population of the UK has grown?

 

you don't believe that there is a deliberate policy of mass immigration going on not only into the UK but also into europe?

 

i can't believe you would even try and argue those points!

 

The protocol when rescuing someone from sea is to return them to the nearest port and yet we have UK border force and UK RNLI travelling across the english channel to pick up boatloads of migrants that are in french waters

 

The same thing occured in the meditarranean where cabal funded NGO boats were travelling across to ferry african migrants over to europe:

 

 

 

...And the evidence is there if you choose to look for it...

 

I live between 2 fairly well known towns in the north west of England and have been here pretty much all my life.

 

When I was growing you hardly ever saw anyone from another county let alone “a foreigner” or a brown face, they just didn’t exist.

 

Today they are everywhere, they are in the supermarket, bank queues, walking down the street, in coffee  shops, sometimes I stand in a shop queue and none of the conversations are in English.

 

My home town has been swamped by Afghans, Romanians, Kosovans and Somalians.

 

I’m not being racist here, this is purely an observation, it’s there in plain sight every day for all to see.

 

All by design, all approved by the UK government, immigration and border control.

 

Tony Blair's Diversity project, cruising along nicely to its intended conclusion.

[Macnamara]

3 hours ago, HAARPING_On said:

My home town has been swamped by Afghans, Romanians, Kosovans and Somalians.

 

I’m not being racist here, this is purely an observation, it’s there in plain sight every day for all to see.

 

All by design, all approved by the UK government, immigration and border control.

 

so lets consider this within the context of the conspiracy...

 

They are clearly trashing the food supply. After shelter and water food is the most fundamental thing required for life. Lack of food starts revolutions.

 

But if the food starts to become thin on the ground what then binds a community together so that they can pull together to make it through the hard times? A shared identity and sense of esprit de corps. But the social engineering of our society into a patchwork quilt of ethnicities and religions and languages breaks down that camaraderie and my concern is that if things go south then it could all turn very ugly

 

I don't know at this stage exactly what the elites are intending in terms of how deep they want the crisis to go but i know that they see opportunity in crisis (ordo ab chao) and that in order to get people to accept a new paradigm they have to have abandoned the old one first and nothing will make people play ball more than starvation

 

However they are also working on the metaverse and this could be offered to people as an escape from an increasingly meaningless existence where robots and AI has replaced most people in the workforce. People with no work or purpose who are denied travel due to carbon taxes and who are denied any sense of self identity in order to be 'more inclusive' could seek to embrace a virtual reality world where they can be more than they would ever be allowed to be in burnt out husk of their actual existence. This approach would be about enslaving and slowly eliminating the population through manufactured infertility by drugging them into passivity with state hand outs of digital currency 'universal basic income' whilst offering them an escape from reality in the 'metaverse' as their birth right in this reality is robbed from them

 

The other possibility is that things collapse into bloodletting and i'm not entirely sure at this stage which of these the oligarchs have in store for us because they seem to be working on both in parallel

 

 

[HAARPING_On]

18 hours ago, Macnamara said:

But if the food starts to become thin on the ground what then binds a community together so that they can pull together to make it through the hard times? A shared identity and sense of esprit de corps. But the social engineering of our society into a patchwork quilt of ethnicities and religions and languages breaks down that camaraderie and my concern is that if things go south then it could all turn very ugly...

 

This is a massively important point.

 

It's really important now that we find like-minded souls and form small collectives who can all pull together and help each other out in times of need, for example all agreeing to grow different vegetables and then doing a group swap at harvest so everyone gets a nice variety and a healthy diet.

 

Can apply to other stuff too but you get the idea, it's all about pooling skills, resources etc... :-)

[Macnamara]

8 hours ago, HAARPING_On said:

all agreeing to grow different vegetables and then doing a group swap at harvest so everyone gets a nice variety and a healthy diet.

 

people could also agree to forage different foods as well as creating a skillswap or time bank system to assist each other using their skillsets.

[Campion]

On 7/22/2022 at 12:39 PM, HAARPING_On said:

It's really important now that we find like-minded souls and form small collectives who can all pull together and help each other out in times of need, for example all agreeing to grow different vegetables and then doing a group swap at harvest so everyone gets a nice variety and a healthy diet.

 

Can apply to other stuff too but you get the idea, it's all about pooling skills, resources etc... :-)

 

I like your vision, but in my home town the new housing being built is blocks of flats (sorry, apartments for all those newcomers) and "townhouses" with tiny gardens and those which have garages are too small to even fit a car in! However for people with more space it's a great idea. What you're describing is us making an effort to rebuild local communities and unplugging from the spider's web of the global corporates. 
 
Thinking about the independence issue,  I'm mostly concerned about the future of Northern Ireland if the Union dissolves, but that's a bit off-topic. So too is English independence, even tho as a Englishman my country has been a victim of occupation by unionist imperialism for longer. 

 

I've heard the claim that Scotland is in effect bribed into voting to remain in the UK via the Barnett formula. And if Scotland were to stay out of the EU, that would imply a need for trade and other cultural agreements with the rest of the British Isles. 
  
So I'm toying with the idea that rather than simply leaving the union, full sovereignty is transferred to the 4 nations, and the union is downgraded to a member's club for things like trade, defence, visas and student exchanges. Like what we wanted when we joined the common market in the 70s. A bit like a congregational rather than an episcopal church.