Scottish independence vote 2.0?

[Nefaria]

In was wondering what the forum members views were on this.... Wee Jimmy Cranky is trying to get another referendum through.... Will it happen?  If the result is yes, (i say result, we know voting is BS) do you think it would be a good thing?  Personally I would love to see an upset to the status quo, and would love to be rid of that hideous flag for a start (that was everywhere during the jubilee).  Is it part of some WEF agenda anyway?  What happens to the nuke subs at Faslane?  My hunch is that they are already preparing their move to South Wales....

[Talorgan]

Would it be independent of NATO I doubt it ?

[Itsjaybigjay]

I wouldn't care if Scotland wanted to be truly independent however the !st thing the fish woman would do is apply for EU membership. No way do we want an EU ran Scotland. 

[Macnamara]

I voted for independence last time round just like i voted for brexit and given the option to leave NATO i'd vote for that too as i don't like large power structures that remove the decision making away from the public. I think we need to be decentralising everything from decision making to food production as much as possible which is of course the complete opposite of what the NWO wants to do

 

BUT i will not be voting for 'independence' this time because now i understand that the SNP doesn't really want an independent scotland. What the SNP wants is for scotland to be reabsorbed into the EU which was always intended since its very beginning to be a super state that would dissolve its member states so that they became remoulded into one giant state with power completely removed from local population and centralised in brussels

 

Being in the EU therefore is the OPPOSITE of independence. So the vote is not really about independence. The vote is whether or not you want to join the SNP in DESTROYING scotland by dragging her into the EU where she will be eroded away into non-existence

 

The vote FOR scotland therefore is at this time to avoid going into the EU which requires a 'no' vote

 

To vote 'yes' is actually a vote to destroy scotland and the SNP is NOT a 'nationalist' party, it is a GLOBALIST party that wants a world government not a decentralised scottish government. Everything is inverted

Edited June 29, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

BUT i will not be voting for 'independence' this time because now i understand that the SNP doesn't really want an independent scotland. What the SNP wants is for scotland to be reabsorbed into the EU which was always intended since its very beginning to be a super state that would dissolve its member states so that they became remoulded into one giant state with power completely removed from local population and centralised in brussels

 

Being in the EU therefore is the OPPOSITE of independence. So the vote is not really about independence. The vote is whether or not you want to join the SNP in DESTROYING scotland by dragging her into the EU where she will be eroded away into non-existence

 

here's a quote by one of the founders of the EU, Jean Monet:

 

[Nefaria]

44 minutes ago, Talorgan said:

Would it be independent of NATO I doubt it ?

It could be.  Regarding Faslane, Wee Jimmy Cranky has made noises in the past saying she doesn't want an independent Scotland to play any part in Britain's nuclear deterrent.

[Nefaria]

35 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

I voted for independence last time round just like i voted for brexit and given the option to leave NATO i'd vote for that too as i don't like large power structures that remove the decision making away from the public. I think we need to be decentralising everything from decision making to food production as much as possible which is of course the complete opposite of what the NWO wants to do

 

BUT i will not be voting for 'independence' this time because now i understand that the SNP doesn't really want an independent scotland. What the SNP wants is for scotland to be reabsorbed into the EU which was always intended since its very beginning to be a super state that would dissolve its member states so that they became remoulded into one giant state with power completely removed from local population and centralised in brussels

 

Being in the EU therefore is the OPPOSITE of independence. So the vote is not really about independence. The vote is whether or not you want to join the SNP in DESTROYING scotland by dragging her into the EU where she will be eroded away into non-existence

 

The vote FOR scotland therefore is at this time to avoid going into the EU which requires a 'no' vote

 

To vote 'yes' is actually a vote to destroy scotland and the SNP is NOT a 'nationalist' party, it is a GLOBALIST party that wants a world government not a decentralised scottish government. Everything is inverted

If i were Scottish i would vote for independence, although it has always struck me as odd that the first thing the SNP would do is join the EU.  Doesn't seem very independent to me!  Just swapping one load of wankers for another.

 

I relish Scotland's opportunity to stick two fingers up to London.  I wish were I lived in the Midlands we could vote for independence too!

 

 

[Macnamara]

16 minutes ago, Nefaria said:

It could be.  Regarding Faslane, Wee Jimmy Cranky has made noises in the past saying she doesn't want an independent Scotland to play any part in Britain's nuclear deterrent.

 

she would likely bow to whatever EU policy was so if french nuclear weapons became europeanised you could then see french subs at faslane or german subs with french missiles

Edited June 29, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

10 minutes ago, Nefaria said:

If i were Scottish i would vote for independence, although it has always struck me as odd that the first thing the SNP would do is join the EU.  Doesn't seem very independent to me!  Just swapping one load of wankers for another.

 

I relish Scotland's opportunity to stick two fingers up to London.  I wish were I lived in the Midlands we could vote for independence too!

 

The EU is one of a bunch of unions created by the globalists behind the trilateral commission such as the rockefellers

 

they want countries around the world to be clustered into various unions that at some point would then be merged into a world government

 

so at the moment to be in the EU helps the conspiracy more than being in the UK does. Although there are lots of globalists in westminster too!

Edited June 29, 2022 by Macnamara

[eddy64]

well Scotland needs lots of subsidies to survive since it has so low population density, don't think they do well if the Barnett formula was gone and they had to use their own currency.

[Talorgan]

 if  Scotland not in NATO would then mean like

Ireland/ erin  it wouldn't be a target or risk nuclear  accidents,better place to be in that regards perhaps we can spilt up into old areas and have nothing to do with superstate ideals or nuclear weapons.

But trend seems to be for joining Nato like Sweden . 

Doubt that's the intention

 

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[Nefaria]

2 minutes ago, eddy64 said:

well Scotland needs lots of subsidies to survive since it has so low population density, don't think they do well if the Barnett formula was gone and they had to use their own currency.

Surely they would be subsidised by the EU instead, and that is probably their reasoning for rejoining it.

[Nefaria]

3 minutes ago, Talorgan said:

 

But trend seems to be for joining Nato like Sweden . 

Doubt that's the intention

 

If that is true... It could just be British MSM propaganda at a time when the Russians are being portrayed as the bad guys.  Countries like Sweden never felt the need to join before and got on perfectly fine without them. 

[Talorgan]

I'm sure Henry Kissinger would know the answer to the manipulation going on.

Chessboard has black and white squares after all .

[k_j_evans]

Well, me and a mate had this great idea for running cross-border smuggling between Northumberland and Scotland when we thought the last referendum would go for independence. So I suspect we'll revisit that. Could be a good one.

[Macnamara]

19 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Well, me and a mate had this great idea for running cross-border smuggling between Northumberland and Scotland when we thought the last referendum would go for independence. So I suspect we'll revisit that. Could be a good one.

 

I had one million scotcoin which i got for free when the coin launched (only kind of millionaire i'll ever be!) and they went to about £800 in the run up to the vote and then when the vote went to staying in the Uk they dropped in value like a stone. That's the problem with cryptos: knowing when to cash out!

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, eddy64 said:

well Scotland needs lots of subsidies to survive since it has so low population density, don't think they do well if the Barnett formula was gone and they had to use their own currency.

 

i don't really agree with that. Scotland has a lot of oil and gas and it has a lot of arable land and quality fishing grounds so really it has the means to be not only energy self-sufficient but also food self-sufficient too especially as it has a small population and therefore not so many mouths to feed. So scotland could be genuinely independent if it wanted to be but like i said earlier that is not the plan of the SNP. The SNP don't want us to be independent they want us to be in the EU

 

I saw someone had hung a scottish flag next to an EU flag on their garden fence which is absurd because those two things are completely incompatible. The EU brings the death of nation states so really they need to remove the scottish flag and keep the eu flag on their fence because that is all that would be left if scotland joined the EU again

 

What we have seen though is the globalists crushing any countries that have the resources to be energy self-sufficient like iraq or libya or venezuala so what should be a blessing for your country can turn into a curse when the cabal set their sights on your national resources; the globalists crushed scotland a long time ago

Edited June 29, 2022 by Macnamara

[Grumpy Owl]

Sturgeon has had grand designs on becoming "president of Scotland" for several years now.

 

Even if Scotland left the UK, any attempt at membership of the EU would take years to come to fruition, and there's no guarantee that the EU would even accept them, not on any financial contribution basis.

 

Deprived of its income from the UK Government, and reliant on its own tax revenues, the country would be bankrupt within a couple of years.

 

The Scottish "Nationalist" Party is anything but 'nationalist', not if they're seeking to leave one union, only to then join another one.

 

This has nothing to do with 'benefitting Scotland and its peoples', but just another mechanism to sow discontent and division.

[Macnamara]

44 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Even if Scotland left the UK, any attempt at membership of the EU would take years to come to fruition

 

i think the EU would snap scotland up in a flash; i think that is the real goal there

[Nefaria]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think the EU would snap scotland up in a flash; i think that is the real goal there

Yes, either that or Russia invades without the deterrent

 

It would put pressure on England to rejoin being surrounded on multiple fronts by the EU.

[Athenry04]

The last vote was rigged as fuck. This time though the prize is being sought by the EU. The same with Ireland, I'd love a United Ireland, but I also realise that the EU would absorb it, and it would be no more free than it has been under British dominion. They are using nationalistic urges to further the demise of soverign nations.

[pi3141]

12 hours ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

I wouldn't care if Scotland wanted to be truly independent however the !st thing the fish woman would do is apply for EU membership. No way do we want an EU ran Scotland. 

 

Thats the bit I don't get - she wants an independent Scotland so she can sign away their independence? 

 

I don't get it.

 

I understand her argument for a referendum, but at the end of the day the Scottish people got their vote, they voted to stay (Yay! I'm glad they did) Its done, I know we came out of EU after the fact, but the fact is the vote was to stay or remain whatever becomes of UK - the Scotts voted to stay! Its a done deal. She just can't accept it and I suppose if you take independence off the list what is there for SNP to do?

 

I think the Scottish people should stay with UK but put up an entirely SNP cabinet to get the best deal from Westminster. If SNP held all seats then they would be more of a force in Westminster and with a strong SNP leadership they could ensure they get the best deal while retaining the security of being in the Union.

 

I loved it when the Irish voted to leave the EU! Too right, take back independence, if the Scotts want the same, independence, then go for it, I wouldn't want to stand in their way, but I think they had the choice, I hope they made the best one and I hope when we finally get Brexit done, we'll see improvements, not just down in the South but up in North and in Scotland and Ireland etc.

 

Voting for independence so you can give away your independence is madness and asking for a new vote every couple of years until you get the one you want is dumb.

[Delidroid]

why don't the English have a vote whether Scotland should get independence.

kick the Scots out of Parliament, keep our English Money too. I expect they would be bankrupt by the time they sobered up the next morning and China will buy them out.

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Delidroid said:

I expect they would be bankrupt by the time they sobered up the next morning and China will buy them out.

 

And who wants to see that? 

[Macnamara]

11 hours ago, Nefaria said:

Yes, either that or Russia invades without the deterrent

 

i have no fear of russia. I have more concern about the people running britain who are clearly self-sabotaging this country so that it is going to fail on all fronts and descend into an over-crowded, third world mess that is run by an artificial intelligence that spies in everyone every minute of every day and controls them through cutting off their access to goods and services and to digital currency.

 

Their goal is clearly to make slaves of the british population and that is the direction we are heading in

 

11 hours ago, Nefaria said:

It would put pressure on England to rejoin being surrounded on multiple fronts by the EU.

 

yes it would and the more migrants england crams into its borders the more it will be dependent on imports of everything from food to water to energy and this will make it a helpless victim of the globalist oligarchs who will be able to dictate terms

 

If you want to be an independent country the best thing you can have is a small and stable and sustainable population that the country can feed, house and heat without relying on outside asssistance

 

The more migrants they can cram in the more dependent we become on globalism and the less free we will find ourselves becoming