Mind Over Matter - Positive Thought

[Tinfoil Hat]

Hi, I've copy& pasted a post from @Mr H from the Covid thread rather than responding there, just becuase I think it's a topic that some here will have interesting views & anecdotes on and plus it allows me to address an issue without derailing that subject.

 

This was in response to a post I made re arthritis (amongst other things)...

 

Mr H

"I don't wish to insult you and I have tremendous compassion for your condition.

 

I know what Robin said may sound like mumbo jumbo, but there is some truth to what he said from my experience. I will share very briefly here.

 

When I was 21 I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. It was in my elbow. The dr said that it could well spread. I was a very keen sportsman at the time. And the dr also told me to basically not use my right arm again, for pretty much anything If I wanted to preserve it. Now I was not spiritual at all at the time. But deep within me was a RESOUNDING NO to this diagnosis. There was no way in hell I was going to not do anything much again with my right arm. And I didn't do this consciously or from reading a book. It was just a complete refusal to believe this.

 

Now 20 years later. The arm it is not 100%, but I can do pretty much most things except play tennis or lift very heavy weights, I don't have issues elsewhere either.......

 

There are also reports of people with split personalities. Who when they change personalities and therefore their belief systems, change their physiology completely. There is a man who in one state is technically blind and then when he switches personality he is not technically blind...

 

Sounds crazy I know. I don't know if it happens through luck or we can think our way out of it......but I do know it is possible potentially to get out of these diseases in this type of manner."

 

 

I do believe there's a lot to be said for exploring the power of the mind to control physicality. In the past I did a diploma in hypnotism, just for pure interest, and though I no longer recall the name of the young man involved, I was blown away by a case where this boy was being treated for some form of cancer that he wasn't expected to recover from. He was having the usual treatments, but these were supplemented by hypnotherapy sessions where he was encouraged to visualise his white blood cells as being  white knights on horseback, and the cancer cells as armadillos. During the sessions he would imagine the knights on horseback hunting down the armadillos and spearing them with their lances. This worked extremely well, and he was able to bolster his immune system measurably by visualising an ever growing army of these white knights. 

 

On one occasion he declared that he'd tried his best, but just couldn't do it because his knights had been unable to locate any armadillos to spear. The medics were flabbergasted to discover that the cancer had been erradicated. 

 

I've studied and practiced other related subjects also - I'm a 2nd degree reiki practitioner, although I haven't done that for a good while now. I stopped because I believed I wasn't doing it right. Don't ask me how, because it is a case of following set guidelines, but whenever I did a reiki session for anyone, whether remotely or hands on, it was like I was taking their aches and pains away (either partially or fully) but absorbing them into myself, which is not how it's meant to be.

 

For eg, a lot of years back, a friend on here who was on the Admin team told me he was bothered by severe tinitus in both ears, with one being dramatically worse than the other, and he asked me for some reiki, which I happily supplied. He said that it had reduced the problem with both ears but not completely got rid of it. I told him that although he'd identified which ear was the worst, I'd spent more time focusing on the other ear because while I was doing it I'd felt the pain much more acutely in that one. He then told me that this was correct. The one I'd identified as being painful actually was, but he'd not mentioned that before becuase it wasn't the pain, but rather the noise that was driving him insane and the noise was louder in the other ear. I don't profess to know much about such medical matters but the point is that I shouldn't actually have experienced his (or anyone else's) discomfort at all, but I always did. I could relate other such tales, but won't for fear of boring folk.

 

I also had a spell (deliberate pun) of practicing white witch craft for a few years - 'white' as people on here probably know, meaning that nothing was ever done to anyone else's detriment or to control another's free will. 

 

I still meditate regularly which is one of the tools I use to control the arthritis pain as pain killers don't agree with me, and even a tens machine I tried brought my skin up in scaley scabs where the sticky pads connected the conducting leads. Meditation & warm baths are my sole relief, along with blocking the pain from my mind sufficiently to just push on when it's playing up - but there are limitations to what I can do.

 

I was raised in a haunted house which is why I've always had an open mind regarding things that many people dismiss as fantasy, plus I have an aunty who was a medium. My mum also practiced some mediumship for a while when she turned 50 years of age, but she gave it up when it started to take over her life. I've another aunty who has some psychic ability. I've had a go myself, but haven't managed to do it at will.

 

I have some very vivid memories of me and my older brother both describing to each other when we were little, how on waking up in the morning, we felt that we had been outside our bodies and seemed to jolt suddenly back into them and continue vibrating violently for a while afterwards. We'd never heard then of the term, 'Astral Travel', but am convinced that's what we'd been doing. 

 

What I will say though, is that that what sparked a disagreement recently on this board, being my remark that I wouldn't want to bring children into the world the way it is now, is something I stand by. I don't feel confident that I could keep a little one safe when they are being preyed on at school as well as the media and the medics. So to me, I would feel it irresponsible. That's not the same as thinking someone else is irresponsible for having kids - that's their shout, and if they are confident in their own ability to protect, then good for them. That's the way I feel, so I don't respond well to someone who knows nothing about me jumping in to tell me I'm wrong and becuause I don't agree with their viewpoint, or entirely impractical suggestions, that it must be becuase I'm negative and so hopeless. 

 

We are material as well as spiritual, and there are some things you can't overcome with positive thoughts. I believe that you need to exercise common sense in a practical way as well as focusing mental energy at a problem. Both aspects are important, and especially if you have a youngsters well-being to think about. 

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Tinfoil Hat
Tatty typos

[Mr H]

Awesome post I didn't see yet in the other thread so had the chance now.

 

Wow you have done so much stuff!

 

I do have one point of contention here. That you mention we are material. In my experience I have not found the evidence to support this so far. For example, commonly someone might say you have a physical arm. When I explore this in more detail, I experience an arm via perception and sensation. So if I am honest with myself, I have to say that the nature of my arm is perception and sensation. Perception and sensation is made of knowing and knowing is made of ....if we have to give it a name I will choose consciousness. That is my experience anyway....

[Tinfoil Hat]

Another exercise some of us did on another forum was a few years back when there were bush fires raging in Australia, we joined forces to will the fires out by whatever means we were each comfortable with, be it witch craft, prayer, positive visualisation etc over a couple of days & a night (I think). When the fires did die down, the media were expressing surprise because they had been in a frenzy of predictions of it spreading and wreaking even more damage.

 

Now I can't know that our exercise was in any way responsible for the fire fizzling before it was anticipated it would. It may have had nothing to do with it. But energy follows thought, and at the very least, it won't have done any harm, so was always worth a shot.

 

Oh and going back years again, Obama and some new age guru whose name escapes me for the moment (it'll come back) were asking people to take part in some kind of survey to guage how many take part in meditations or prayer etc. They were treating it like it was a bit of pointless fun, but I'd bet it was more about them assessing who else practices 'mystic arts' aside from themselves who go for the darkest forms of it.

 

I'm interested to see if others have stories to share.

[Tinfoil Hat]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Awesome post I didn't see yet in the other thread so had the chance now.

 

Wow you have done so much stuff!

 

I do have one point of contention here. That you mention we are material. In my experience I have not found the evidence to support this so far. For example, commonly someone might say you have a physical arm. When I explore this in more detail, I experience an arm via perception and sensation. So if I am honest with myself, I have to say that the nature of my arm is perception and sensation. Perception and sensation is made of knowing and knowing is made of ....if we have to give it a name I will choose consciousness. That is my experience anyway....

 

Cool point and I don't know the answer! 

 

Have you ever become aware that you're asleep, and you can sense the pain that kept you awake for hours, but it's not bothering you any more even though it's not gone, because in this state of consciousness, it's as if your body and the pain are disconnected from your sentience? (I've probably not expressed that very well).

 

The mind and it's boundaries are fascinating.

 

 

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

 

I'm interested to see if others have stories to share.

I used to work with this Shaman in London and she was excellent. But she was made for this guy in Glastonbury. So I went with her to see him and this group and it was the craziest thing I have ever seen. This guy was just so outrageous and pretty much a fraud. But I was there and everyone was into it so I got into it also.....

 

The main task was we had to go out near the Tor late at night and we created an energetic portal for dragon energies to come down to earth. 

 

Then back in camp he did some amusing tricks.He had a statue of Maria and claimed that this magically produced sacred oil to which he showed us. Then he claimed to make songs from rocks. And I was like, hmmmm I'm pretty sure I can hear the music being played from a speaker at the back of the room, but everyone was into it and probably would have lynched me if I had said it. Then he also came round to all of us with this spherical glass and he would touch it and it would light up ad everyone would be like wow!!! Pretty sure I seen at the magic shop. Of course off chance he was genuine but to me the whole thing was pretty obviously not. Very entertaining weekend in Glastonbury though

[Mr H]

3 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Cool point and I don't know the answer! 

 

Have you ever become aware that you're asleep, and you can sense the pain that kept you awake for hours, but it's not bothering you any more even though it's not gone, because in this state of consciousness, it's as if your body and the pain are disconnected from your sentience? (I've probably not expressed that very well).

 

The mind and it's boundaries are fascinating.

 

 

I have had this experience in the waking state but not in sleep.

[Tinfoil Hat]

18 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I have had this experience in the waking state but not in sleep.

By practicing blocking, or did it come naturally?

[Mr H]

10 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

By practicing blocking, or did it come naturally?

It was two things.

 

Up till recently I mainly had a theoretical understanding that I am infinite consciousness and not the body mind with extremely fleeting experiences of it. The past 3 weeks or so these periods have extended to very long periods. I also experienced a deciding thought -  to not resist things and adopt a more curious attitude....

 

In this state, there was still the experience of pain. But it was not "mine", it was just another experience that is going on, in fact there was no sense of a me at all. It's very difficult to explain and understand in words without it sounding cliche or mumbo jumbo - it is to be experienced.

[Tinfoil Hat]

Good and long may your exploration continue and open up a new level of understanding and ability.

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

On 6/14/2022 at 5:40 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

I do believe there's a lot to be said for exploring the power of the mind to control physicality. In the past I did a diploma in hypnotism, just for pure interest, and though I no longer recall the name of the young man involved, I was blown away by a case where this boy was being treated for some form of cancer that he wasn't expected to recover from. He was having the usual treatments, but these were supplemented by hypnotherapy sessions where he was encouraged to visualise his white blood cells as being  white knights on horseback, and the cancer cells as armadillos. During the sessions he would imagine the knights on horseback hunting down the armadillos and spearing them with their lances. This worked extremely well, and he was able to bolster his immune system measurably by visualising an ever growing army of these white knights. 

 

On one occasion he declared that he'd tried his best, but just couldn't do it because his knights had been unable to locate any armadillos to spear. The medics were flabbergasted to discover that the cancer had been erradicated. 

 

Sometime last year, I read Dr Vernon Coleman's book "Mindpower" (originally published in 1986)

 

https://vernoncoleman.org/books/mindpower-how-use-your-mind-heal-your-body

 

It was a fascinating read, and there were similar recollections to that which you describe above.

 

Interestingly, since reading that book, I've not suffered from any illnesses, apart from the odd minor ailment which I just allow to run its course, and I haven't needed to take any painkillers or other tablets/drugs to treat such ailments.

 

Although the book was published in 1986, I feel much of its content is still relevant today - perhaps more so now that our NHS and its GPs are nothing more than drug-pushers and big Pharma shills, and hearing other peoples' experiences with GPs makes be more convinced that modern doctors really do not know what they are doing and don't understand how the mind and the body work in tandem.

 

Recommended reading in my opinion. "Its all in the mind..."