novymir Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, novymir said: It asks; " Who are you? Who is your Father?". What does that imply? What did He say? Elsewhere? It's the same ONE that David Icke calls PRIME REALITY. Whoops! some more "reptilian" symbolism "they" don't like....activate it WITHIN---The Truth=The Real. Power. Indominitable. "....you put me in my place..." So, you thought. That was then...this is NOW Edited July 11, 2022 by novymir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 The war against God? Count me in but there's nothing left to fight because He's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OC Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 7:52 AM, novymir said: Yeah, so? Your post looks disingenuous since the film is not "disconnected" from the resurrection, it is the final scene in the film. Also, it should be clear that I am not promoting the film, I am using a variety of methods and sources of communication to make illustrations, to communicate and offer something that cannot be spoken of literally, in the same way that parables, metaphor, and analogy is used. So, since I am not promoting the film, nor am I attempting to dismiss it, I am not invested beyond what I was attempting to communicate in my post. But I guess you see something else... That wasn't a personal attack or reaction against your post. Just thought I'd share a couple of articles from a Christian POV Understand Your... Point of View Point of view is literally “the place” from which you view something. It includes what you are looking at and the way you are seeing it. Make sure you understand the limitations of your point of view and that you fully consider other relevant viewpoints. Questions to check your point of view How am I looking at this situation? Is there another way to look at it that I should consider? What exactly am I focused on? And how am I seeing it? Is my view the only reasonable view? What does my point of view ignore? Have you ever considered the way ____(Japanese, Muslims, South Americans, etc.) view this? Which of these possible viewpoints makes the most sense given the situation? Am I having difficulty looking at this situation from a viewpoint with which I disagree? What is the point of view of the author of this story? Do I study viewpoints that challenge my personal beliefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OC Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 1:19 AM, XelNaga said: No, this is not true, as here they equate yahweh (who was obviously a physical being) with The Father that Jesus spoke about. That is completely false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 9:29 PM, loady said: if not doesnt that mean that humans show a stronger and purer unconditional love against thier children than that wicked god of abraham does towards the ones he consider to be his children? I do not believe in an unconditional love concept as I have a description for love, but I know what you mean my way, and share your thinking. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 1:48 AM, The OC said: We have become deluded, he says!! He does not like that people recognize his lies for the lies they are. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 11:07 PM, Gnostic Christian said: I do not believe in an unconditional love concept as I have a description for love, but I know what you mean my way, and share your thinking. Regards DL i have seen enough of you to know that you have a good heart with a strong moral base to boot. yes mate .. yahweh is only willing to show love to his disciples if they submit to him and offer sacrifices, he is unwilling or uncapable to show love to those who dont submit to him, humans are entirely diffrent in that respect, so what is the source of love that humans possess, becuse our capacity to love couldnt ever come form that luciferic maniac. Edited September 15, 2022 by loady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, loady said: i have seen enough of you to know that you have a good heart with a strong moral base to boot. yes mate .. yahweh is only willing to show love to his disciples if they submit to him and offer sacrifices, he is unwilling or uncapable to show love to those who dont submit to him, humans are entirely diffrent in that respect, so what is the source of love that humans possess, becuse our capacity to love couldnt ever come form that luciferic maniac. Thanks for your kind words. God in the scriptures is a reflection of man. It truthfully says, in a sense, that he is a jealous God, and so are all of us who have accepted or invented a God. We seem to be controlled by our selfish genes. They tell us who to love and hate. We default to love but most sail to recognize that the moment one creates a love bias, we also create a hate bias against anything that would jeopardize that which we love. We basically try to love all, because of the selfish security of our person, until we have to compete. We force children to do so too quickly. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian said: Thanks for your kind words. God in the scriptures is a reflection of man. It truthfully says, in a sense, that he is a jealous God, and so are all of us who have accepted or invented a God. We seem to be controlled by our selfish genes. They tell us who to love and hate. We default to love but most sail to recognize that the moment one creates a love bias, we also create a hate bias against anything that would jeopardize that which we love. We basically try to love all, because of the selfish security of our person, until we have to compete. We force children to do so too quickly. Regards DL you are wise. i believe the only way to counteract this seemingly endless chain of cause and effect is by connecting to our all knowing and allbeing state, and make it our duty and service to help others do the same (if they allow us ofcourse), this is what i call unconditional love. by connecting to our highest form of expression ,we leave this world of "duality" i prefeer to call it ( mass hypnosis) behind. extreme cold ceases to be extrem cold and extreme heat ceases to be extreme heat instead they merge and become something pleasant, ofcourse that is only an analogy becuse i believe we created this world collectively trough mass thought , and its nothing but a collective dream or delusion that we have subconsiously agreed to experience by choosing to forget who we are , problem is we agreed to experience this simulation as a sort of holiday, instead a parastic force entrapped us here since time immemorial and we have been unable to find our way back. when we connect to our true state we experience the highest form of love/well being and freedome of expression and that level is devoid of any boreness and suffering. life becomes a sort of a super resolution videogame ,only lacking the codes and algorithms that makes us suffer or should i say the painful matrix codes revert back to a diffrent and altered higher form of expression when we revert back to our highest form of expression Edited September 15, 2022 by loady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OC Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 2:10 PM, Gnostic Christian said: We have become deluded, he says!! He does not like that people recognize his lies for the lies they are. Regards DL If you bothered to read the subtitles, this is what Fr. Peter actually said. Quote diluted /dīˈlo͞odəd,dəˈlo͞odəd/ make (something) weaker in force, content, or value by modifying it or adding other elements to it. "the reforms have been diluted" as opposed to, or in contrast to. Quote deluded /dəˈlo͞odəd/ Learn to pronounce adjective believing something that is not true. "the poor deluded creature" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 16 hours ago, loady said: and its nothing but a collective dream or delusion that we have subconsiously agreed to experience by choosing to forget who we are , Reincarnation and karma are victim blaming concepts. A new soul is just that. Not some recycled loser. Try to stay in reality. All your answers are there. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 7 hours ago, The OC said: If you bothered to read the subtitles, this is what Fr. Peter actually said. as opposed to, or in contrast to. All supernatural notions are imaginary fictions. If one cannot get that fact correct, then it is pointless to engage with a Gnostic Christian. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said: Reincarnation and karma are victim blaming concepts. A new soul is just that. Not some recycled loser. Try to stay in reality. All your answers are there. Regards DL im not a new soul. if you are an extension of someone elses existence ill understand. im not coming back. only a slave who dont know hes a slave want to stay one. and they are not only losers but a part of the problem aswell,end of discussion, i told you the truth but you didnt want to listen, you cant eat the cake and keep it at the same time. you cant critise religion and claim you dont worship god but at the same time describe yourself an agnostic christian. thank you for showing yuor true colours. i never mentioned anything about karma and reincarnation being victim and blaming conecepts. we create our own reality and we create our own enslavement trough our own free will. but karma tied to the reincarnation process as a way to learn and grow is a blatant scam i believe you havwe a good heart but i misjudged you. we are very diffrent and not alike anywhere. your just like the rest, woefully happy in this pigshit simulation humanity like to call life. i thank you though, anytime someone tells me to accept "reality" they contribute to my reactionary response which the universe witness - one where i dont accept being a slave. so i guess my heart is just wired diffrently .... thank you Edited September 16, 2022 by loady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, loady said: i dont accept being a slave The last thing a Gnostic Christian is is a slave or one who worships anything. We are esoteric ecumenists and perpetual seekers. You put me down as agnostic in your post. It is not what I am. I have a God and he is superior to yours. All Gnostics do. Name of all Gods. I am. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explains those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Gnosis enlightens adults. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said: The last thing a Gnostic Christian is is a slave or one who worships anything. We are esoteric ecumenists and perpetual seekers. You put me down as agnostic in your post. It is not what I am. I have a God and he is superior to yours. All Gnostics do. Name of all Gods. I am. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to dn my my a deluded sun and serpent worhsipper with schizofrenia, agnostic affirms uncertainty , christianty doesnt. you cant be be an agnostic christian - its an oxymoronic term. you know it i know it , and the bullshit teachers and philosophers who have convinced you otherwise knows it to. jesus is another form of hermes and horus - a pathetic host and meditiary for the luciferic serpent forces. thy eye be single refer to the light body - becoming a minature sun god or a son of the fatherly sun god - a symbolic benben. let me give you bits of wisdome - by being reborn into a vessel that is fit to merge with luciferic forces as in one identity- you basically agree to submit to a supreme force who is feeding on your energy and that force always takes more than it gives back to its hierophant. - that is why every intiate has to die a symbolic death in the mysteries . you didnt create the luciferic spirit m, you didnt create the luciferic blood , and you didnt create the luciferic avatars or titles or the living word - you are not creating and becoming anything by merging with any of the aformentioned - you are reiterating or reinacting someone elses creation - it is not you becoming the luciferic force - its is the luciferic force becoming you no diffrent than a parasite. 1 . the heirophant give up his autonomy so this wicked luciferic force you worship can be reborn as you not you as them 2. the hierophant give up his karmic history and identity so as to be fit to be a clean vessel for the force that has assimilated your energy system for its own purposes. thus shall anyone exchange energy to the person the reborn intiatiate was prior to the intiation all enegy directed towards him does not go to him , becuse he has decided to kill himslef it goes to the force that has overtaken the intiate . that is how the luciferic forces recruits "the elected" so who is agnostic christian , a sad person who thoguht he was receving enlightment by intiation or worse the force that has claimed him - i now think the latter . i dont have a god. im not one of the bene ha elohim , im not a jacobite, im not a lesser yhwh im not an "i am " i was never intiated into the mysteries by a djinn and never will be. but what i have written is relative isnt it gnostic christian, it must be if the intiated person is in slumber and the serpent spirit has taken possesion over his core. so i suppose those forces claiming the vessels can take turns into possesing the vessel, in one lifetime one soul fragment takes the charge over the possesion , then leaves to the underworld - from whench comes another one to possess the vessel in a diffrent incarnation. so maybe you are new soul agnostic christian - but whether you are incarnated in the "physical realm" or the orginal home of those pretender gods , your still the slave all the same. becuse those forces have disconnected from the real source and superimpoosed thier source over the original source form whence we alll came - reptilian or not. those very same forces are slaves to thier own igonrance and limitations. your god bigger than my god you say , what are you a 5 year old.. next you´d be telling me "my dad is biger than my dad".. i dont submit to any pretender god , there is no gods in my reality, if you want to be something that is less than you are (by reconnect to the real source) then by all means i hope you wallow in your delusions for as long as you wishfully want. and let me finish it off by telling you an even bigger truth, as i was told by matthew delooze ..these pretender gods couldnt even sustain thier existence in this realm if humanity stopped feeding them energy, if humanity stopped worshipping this force and united in one huge collborated effort to vote them out we would have the serpent souls quaking in thier aqvarium and rise far far above thier grasp. they would be less than ants as they will be one day, hope you get to witness it - better put your running shoes on mate. 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Gnostic Christian Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/16/2022 at 3:05 PM, loady said: my my a deluded sun and serpent worhsipper I began with stating that we do not worship, but I guess you missed it. The supernatural is for the stupid. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said: I began with stating that we do not worship, but I guess you missed it. The supernatural is for the stupid. Regards DL no i didnt miss it. you dont know your theology good enough and you contradict yourself left and right , a bandwagoon jumper who speaks negtively about jesus and his father one day and postively about jesus and his father another day you dont know what you want to be and you cannot argue well using your own thoughts you have to rely on scriptures which you dont even understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 hours ago, loady said: no i didnt miss it. you dont know your theology good enough and you contradict yourself left and right , a bandwagoon jumper who speaks negtively about jesus and his father one day and postively about jesus and his father another day you dont know what you want to be and you cannot argue well using your own thoughts you have to rely on scriptures which you dont even understand. Only the uninformed will not know that there are more than one Jesus archetype shown in the bible. If you cannot recognize the esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Jesus, then keep adoring the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick who is to bring another mass murder with his Armageddon. I will accept your critique, when you elevate your knowledge base and cure your mind of any stupid supernatural beliefs and raise your moral sense to know a demiurge when you see one. That of actually quote and critique like an adult would. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said: Only the uninformed will not know that there are more than one Jesus archetype shown in the bible. If you cannot recognize the esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Jesus, then keep adoring the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick who is to bring another mass murder with his Armageddon. I will accept your critique, when you elevate your knowledge base and cure your mind of any stupid supernatural beliefs and raise your moral sense to know a demiurge when you see one. That of actually quote and critique like an adult would. Regards DL it was the same with horus in egypt., that doesnt change who created them and what they represent. there was diffrent archetypes of horus such as horus the elder and horus the younger to name a few , all archetypes and icons and their associated principles and energies steem from the same order out of chaos mythologies - their source and line of mystical descend orginated from chaos and and as such they are all part of a n unbroken mystical lineage tree - no diffrent than than all intiates who are stupid to realise that not only is sacrifying themselves in a symbolical death - the highest reverens and worship it also intiates them to be controlled by forces they can never ever know fully about. all archetypes and icons of gods are in their esoteric aspects connected to mystery rites" for alchemical purposes. these iconic mystery bodies of god that is put in use in mystery schools are all a programmed insertions within the collective consiousness of mankind - for normal folks they lie latent as inactive - but for the one who has activated one of the many "higher ranked" mystical bodies of gods - they are used to rule over time. and the god use these as he pleases to exert influence in accordance to a prefixed timewheel that is ever cyclical - this simulated reality can in turn be manipulated by deeper chaos forces in anyway they see fit in the natural world just as they can cantrol the same innerland scape of all the initiates who have agreed to submit to them and yes including "gnostic christian" its important to realise that we are dealing with various levels of the reptilian spirit that expresses itself in forms of multitude trough the iconic and codified god archetypes of the world . these spiritual reptilians operates from the chaos/underworld realm you could say that the intiates becomes small cog wheels inside as massive timewheel/machine which fate lies in the hands of the clock turner and the clockturners fate lies in the hands of the reptilians forces in the underworld. all initiates who choose to die a mystical death and be be reborn by the holy spirit - becomes part of the the same mystical heritage family tree. its the same with modern masons who are intiated trough the archetype of hiram abiff/ariff indeed they are intiatied in darkness and led trough darkness to the light which can be seen as form of illumination on one level of the intrepetation on another level that very same concealed darkness symbolise that they will ever be lead and scammed by the very same darkness to live in cyclical order under concealed cirucmstances unbeknownst to them -that is also where their faith comes in - becuse they are all intiated trough the blindfold placed on thier eyes. you are no diffrent a pathetic patsie who can ba manipulated by manipulative forces in any way they see fit and they can only do that becuse you bent over for the high preists who gave you your englightenment - they can destroy you anytime they want by fucking with your secret vibrational names and when they say jump you jump like a submissive slave who have been tricked to believe that he´s free. cleary you did not comprehend my prior posts. you lack real insight . ohh and not only do you worship you are a worshipful sucker worshipping with every living breath by automatical default through your secret vibrational names/blood. they sing out worshipful frequencies . as i said... some people are destined to be enslaved.. Edited September 20, 2022 by loady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 14 hours ago, loady said: you bent over for the high preists who gave you your englightenment Not as far over as you, given what is coming out of your mouth. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) Not everyone that uses the word 'GOD' means some external, separated, distinct 'being" or entity, or an adherence-allegiance to some specific religious dogmatism. The word "GOD" can also be used with the meaning of "Governing Principle". Everyone has one(or more), operating within their mind, everyone has a Supreme Governing Principle they have accepted, they might switch back and forth, or accept and discard them and replace them with others, but everyone will have a "Governing Principle" they are operating with in any given moment. TRUTH=REALITY=LIFE=BEING=ETERNAL=LOVE IS GOD IS ONE SPIRIT= I Am That. But IT IS GREATER than I Am alone, I Am Within THAT, IT IS Within "Me", I Am One With THAT. There is nothing real that conflicts with or is besides THAT. There IS Only THAT, anything else is nothing and nowhere, a fantasy, a brief testing(experiment) of THE TRUTH OF THAT. IT IS THE TRUTH. And there is no true thing(truth) that can or does confict with Truth, or TRUTH. ALL IS ONE. Edited September 20, 2022 by novymir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian said: Not as far over as you, given what is coming out of your mouth. Regards DL enjoy your slave status and the nigging little notion in the back of your head that constantly reminds you that some high preist have you wrapped around his little finger.. jump simon...jump slave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, loady said: enjoy your slave status and the nigging little notion in the back of your head that constantly reminds you that some high preist have you wrapped around his little finger.. jump simon...jump slave And who is your "high priest" that has you wrapped around his little finger? Matthew Delooze? And what is your governing principle? Fear? Now the question is; will you deny and take offense, or will you recognize a liability that you are operating with? Edited September 20, 2022 by novymir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loady Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, novymir said: And who is your "high priest" that has you wrapped around his little finger? Matthew Delooze? And what is your governing principle? Fear? Now the question is; will you deny and take offense, or will you recognize a liability that you are operating with? there was once a time whence i loved matthew delooze on level terms with the love i have for my own mother during that time i would have taken a bullet for him without bathing an eylelid. but to answer your question i was never intiatiated into any esoteric teachings by adhering to any priest-disciple relationship. i owe matthew delooze a great deal for raising my awareness level to stupendious heights but i dont worship him nor the forces he represents - simply becuse i can never be sure if they are trying to entrapp souls or free them. im sure matt is genuine - but i cannot ever be sure about the forces that sent him. any prophet that is not on level terms with those he represents are liable to be manipulated , do i think thats the case with matt, i really hope not - but since im not sure.. im destined to be a leper until i find my way out of this shithole. i will never bend over for any forces - priests,"fraudulent holy spirits nor any fraudlent supreme beings. and that is becuse very deep down i know that im all knowing and all being and noone can ever convince me otherwise... so whether i will find my escape and breaktrough in this live time or thousand lifetimes from now , rest assured i will break the schakles that holds me in bonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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