what about like minded people building their world their way?

[hardtruthspitta]

any bears up in here?

 

they talks lotsa shit on owen. hes racis, antisemitic, right wing, commie, name it.

 

but hes doing something and it might be catchy...

https://buildingbeartaria.com/

 

i finally had time for part 2, wife almost in tears, but watch both if you want soemthing uplifting in this world.

 

all love

[hardtruthspitta]

[BeeThrive]

Thanks for the beartaria link…will watch later, it looks interesting.

 

The thing about freedom is, it has parameters depending on the individual. We soon get forced into the realisation when we slip down the proverbial rabbit hole, that we feel a slave to almost everything.

Those that do a 9-5 job, have a boss directing their work flow, dream that ‘freedom’ is being self-employed.

Those that are self-employed, juggling a hectic schedule, or struggling to attract work contracts, dream that freedom is without having to work all the hours to just survive.

Those that give-up ‘conventional working life’ either 9-5 or self-employed, and ‘live off the land’ dream that freedom is without needing to work all hours just to produce food to keep their physical body alive.

 

It seems, what others dream of as being ‘freedom’ - those that live that ‘dream’ of theirs, also feel slaves to something too, and also dream of freedom still.

 

The meme you posted represents the point im making well. If you do manage to live off the land, that being a big IF, because many have a rose-tinted glasses attitude about that way of life - you soon realise you’re governed by your body; more specifically your belly ; food. We are seemingly, all slaves to the ‘food needs’ the body requires. The body comforts. The body desires. 
WE create the slavery we wish to be free of, without knowing it.

 

There’s no ‘life-style’ on earth that is truly free.

It’s an attitude to be cultivated by going beyond the body and ego mind. 
 

That’s why all the so-called ‘secret societies’ are doused in occult symbolism, reminders of a time when man had a grip on ‘free’ consciousness, a path few tread willingly, we’re all on that path, knowingly or unknowingly anyway, but even those members of these societies have lost the true knowledge that the symbols represent, that they adorn their clothes and halls with!

 

We ARE already free…it’s just a question of realising it. 
We’re tempted to look for freedom ‘out there’, by changing the material aspects of our lives, but true freedom is always birthed within, and that changes the ‘out there’ experience automatically. 
 

If we believe we’re slaves (to anything), we will be that which we think we are. 
 

 

[Green Dragon]

On 10/12/2022 at 5:01 PM, BeeThrive said:

WE create the slavery we wish to be free of, without knowing it.

 

There’s no ‘life-style’ on earth that is truly free.

It’s an attitude to be cultivated by going beyond the body and ego mind. 

I like that and I think you have a good point overall.

 

If we work together effectively, however, I believe we can live without having to grind ourselves to the bone. This is through coordination, innovation and courage. Combine that WITH the attitude you describe going beyond the body and ego does equal some degree of freedom

 

 

 

 

[TetraG]

On 10/12/2022 at 5:01 PM, BeeThrive said:

Thanks for the beartaria link…will watch later, it looks interesting.

 

**Me too**, WHERE IS BEARTARIA, it is a LIVING OFF GRID project I take it??.... Not mocking but can we take it, it is NOT owned by Bear Grylls? 

 

Not to have a flipflop but I tried to load part one but like 3 mins wait ,to test **since I am curious**, *& then to watch later and it shall be now anyway*, so I mean so far not downloading for online viewing, only seeing the link loading by first trying to contact google analytics at it's first base, but I have only tried the link ONCE so far, so I am sure there is no panic... Does this site have what's commonly called a MENU or am I blind? 
 

On 10/12/2022 at 5:01 PM, BeeThrive said:

If you do manage to live off the land, that being a big IF, because many have a rose-tinted glasses attitude about that way of life - you soon realise you’re governed by your body; more specifically your belly ; food. We are seemingly, all slaves to the ‘food needs’ the body requires. The body comforts. The body desires. 
WE create the slavery we wish to be free of, without knowing it.

 

I see.....ok,, problem or not, I don't know??.... but Good point anyway, at the least!...  sooooo anyway~ Let's go all in as much as we dare here... so starting with Body Elemental needs, Freedom Cultivation/Realisation -- SELF DETERMINATION based on this to get the passion going and put heart into what one wants to see happen ---

 

WAIT please ---> Before reading on with the flow...... Realize I myself have been into the vision orrrr IIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEEA of this for a LLLLLLLLOOOOOOONNNNNNNG time

yet it still seems TO ME like a pipe-dream, like for too long.... Nevertheless continue reading and anyone that likes what I gotta say, that may bring some solution & harmony of traits...

 

Which could then see possibilities forming..... Like truly making Own Food Cultivation A THING, along with SPIRIT STRENGTHENING for EMBOLDENING AMBITION etc.... (incl. mood enhancing strategies for reminding everybody of purpose to keep motivated hopeful & bright) ... and if desired chakra balancing may also be appreciated likewise in a similar way as well combining into the spirit of things generally that is for anyone contributing in any group setting as the best way to establish best practices and knowledge sharing, for to give EVERYONE chance to gain BETTER CO-OPERATIVE FREEDOM...  To discuss and DO this ++ ideally again in person is best and in combined practice where possible were that not obvious is needy to embrace as I would imagine a no brainer fact that we must pull together on some level......

 

(or I GUESS going it alone for couples who may be happy by themselves and confident to get stuff done if skilled enough and determined enough,,, bla bla ... OR even attempting this kind of lifestyle as an individual = which is like what I don't relish doing SOLEY by myself if I can help it AS PROGRESS in some areas where knowledge lacks would be *drainng AS expletive*, all by that very thought and greater likelyhood of failure that for the loners would surely ensue for some LONE INDIVIDUALS *if* going the ONE MAN BY HIMSELF or she by herself route - alone - and just imagining & hoping as if a prepossessing intelligence of knowhow to enpower that individual for things like technical problems will somehow come together in an instance is kinda naive.... BY JUST ONE BRAIN ALONE??...  (Sure, okay.... it's probably possible that way for some greatly practical people but not everyone has all mental faculties needed for that, so although I have HOPES regardless as seen ny the positivity in this paragraph from MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS, to SET SAIL ALONE as it were I would nowhere near say recommendable for most in my HUMBLEST OF OPINIONS - so I say immediately from the start, get looking at the broad picture to begin using JUST COMMON SENSE of realizing ###numbers will by STARK contrast increase### SUCCESS if all this kind of thing is formulated as a GROUP or REAL WORLD COLLECTIVE of conscionable people ready to be hands on in some sense- and of course with hopefully somewhat similar interests in life and the welfare of this planet in their hearts as they get real about whom to get on board with, or with whom to not even imagine to get on with in practical partnership if caution builds only fear or leads different people into misdirected company, depending on what each participant may want out of joining efforts, and bla bla bla)......

So especially for people without sufficient knowledge or knowhow- (like me I admit) - would by overall effect and competence of group function be better overall serve or contribute as the better word .... (no- not as a slave, I never said that! - but just some peeps with some zest and a fair responsibility) to then benefit being part of any touted group (... for example so inclined with whatever ethos giving pathos, and with desired result or however any group project shall strategize & co-operate to become realistic LONG TERM - or just as long as people find contentment in being part)....
 

Anyway-- Clearly this better together mentality is the preferred option **the human condition per se not least** best amenable for combining knowledge and skills--- and level up on this basis for whatever AGREEABLE PURPOSE short and long term people may have in mind. but let me point out again ---> if it were JUST I MYSELF and it may come to that on some level, well since the whole world sucks and so weirdly it seems some may find difficult to entice like-minded souls who can agree to get on with something once we find whom appropriate (friendly, workable, conscientious ETC) we would like to work with if group efforts & collaboration is the way to go.....

 

AND if my word is anything to go by, like as SUGGESTED (no brainers basicly) that PRIMARILY serve as health barometers fpr a Project of Passion & Wellness for this sort of lifestyle, well to my mind the aforementioned in first paragraph which are pretty much indispensible assets of this sort, for spirit of intent etc at the very least....thereby given those sorts of motifs at the outset, POSITIVITY RAISES, and anyone hoping to partake in such a lifestyle, as I roundedly hope to do, can PERHAPS then justify "hoping for the best", and who doesn't [like to] hope for best.... as long as minimal effort of self sustaining work is involved  J/K that little quip!.... Then all such considerations of spirit of intent in tact, one or the many (if a group) can get into gear mentally & physically in respect of Evaluating Any Other OFF GRID Struggles too and how much of a snag or gliche could result in failure or despondancy of will.... (Struggles & Snuggles with any overly passive sloth to encourage the ones dragging their feet??  j/k??) ....

Anyway THIS WHOLE IDEA any person or persons need to contemplate relatively seriously, this WHOLE OFF GRID THING, and not necessarily about whether exactly like-minded as me or not as nobody should be about telling others what to do in unkind manner....

.....

For myself though that would be btw, Vegan Food Cultivation. since after many a long year, I in MY OWN example & passage of conscience, won't be going back to meat EVER for what my own criteria is... but we are not only talking about the dietry ideals of everyone involved in something like this, as whether darlings like it or not, everyone is different .....HOWEVER~ as for me - I can tell any curious people though being vegan HAS CHANGED MY LIFE, and then to dream like as if 'Dining' in the Wild? ah well kinda....but *yes please* dare I even say, not that restaurants are my thing AT ALL anyway, and hence why not be looking as an example maybe something similar to my 2 cents into this OFF GRID NETWORKINGG of some kind.... (*my spin on it ok, I realize not everyone will end up being VEGAN like me or even want to be, in fact there are doubtless even some vegan haters on these forums, but does my health deteriorate, no people it does not*)...

 

Still all the best everyone in basicly holding onto your humanity in what are undoubtedly tough/ even disturbing times.... So let's agree one thing ~~~>  there needs to be MORE of these GROUND UP sorts of movements and projects of relatively small scale
to get more people moving on joining in, (where-ever projects may manifest) and by people getting in the mindset of FREEDOM, seeing where FREEDOM really lyes for anyone seeking a fair & sustainable quality of life ~ like what appears the OP is mainly advocating and going OFF GRID just so happens to meet that purpose--- but for the wise not launching into anything foolhardily before knowing what we could be in for..... 

 

Soooo beyond basic outlines, I have no fool proof conclusion ../.. no concrete plans ...((as I would wish for the better)) ....beyond this so far..... BUT iiiiii DO HAVE Spirit of Intent.... Meaning basicly I have Enthusiasm// REASON FOR LIVING.

Everyone will have everything their body needs, but it will be a BIIIIIT of an effort, except on the planting side etc, if you already like gardening like me, it's like fun.....

Edited October 15, 2022 by TetraG

[JCP]

My biggest pet-peeve is money. It is a scam and a control tool, built by and for for the cult to maintain their power. The best way to change the existing model is to create a new worldwide Moneyless Society that out competes this antiquated one, leaving it obsolete. This idea is already built into a Resource Based Economy.

 

Resource Based Economy vs Today's Monetary System

Moneyless Society: Build the Change You Want to See in the World

 

 

 

[Green Dragon]

On 10/15/2022 at 7:47 PM, TetraG said:

**Me too**, WHERE IS BEARTARIA, it is a LIVING OFF GRID project I take it??.... Not mocking but can we take it, it is NOT owned by Bear Grylls? 

 

Not to have a flipflop but I tried to load part one but like 3 mins wait ,to test **since I am curious**, *& then to watch later and it shall be now anyway*, so I mean so far not downloading for online viewing, only seeing the link loading by first trying to contact google analytics at it's first base, but I have only tried the link ONCE so far, so I am sure there is no panic... Does this site have what's commonly called a MENU or am I blind? 
 

 

I see.....ok,, problem or not, I don't know??.... but Good point anyway, at the least!...  sooooo anyway~ Let's go all in as much as we dare here... so starting with Body Elemental needs, Freedom Cultivation/Realisation -- SELF DETERMINATION based on this to get the passion going and put heart into what one wants to see happen ---

 

WAIT please ---> Before reading on with the flow...... Realize I myself have been into the vision orrrr IIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEEA of this for a LLLLLLLLOOOOOOONNNNNNNG time

yet it still seems TO ME like a pipe-dream, like for too long.... Nevertheless continue reading and anyone that likes what I gotta say, that may bring some solution & harmony of traits...

 

Which could then see possibilities forming..... Like truly making Own Food Cultivation A THING, along with SPIRIT STRENGTHENING for EMBOLDENING AMBITION etc.... (incl. mood enhancing strategies for reminding everybody of purpose to keep motivated hopeful & bright) ... and if desired chakra balancing may also be appreciated likewise in a similar way as well combining into the spirit of things generally that is for anyone contributing in any group setting as the best way to establish best practices and knowledge sharing, for to give EVERYONE chance to gain BETTER CO-OPERATIVE FREEDOM...  To discuss and DO this ++ ideally again in person is best and in combined practice where possible were that not obvious is needy to embrace as I would imagine a no brainer fact that we must pull together on some level......

 

(or I GUESS going it alone for couples who may be happy by themselves and confident to get stuff done if skilled enough and determined enough,,, bla bla ... OR even attempting this kind of lifestyle as an individual = which is like what I don't relish doing SOLEY by myself if I can help it AS PROGRESS in some areas where knowledge lacks would be *drainng AS expletive*, all by that very thought and greater likelyhood of failure that for the loners would surely ensue for some LONE INDIVIDUALS *if* going the ONE MAN BY HIMSELF or she by herself route - alone - and just imagining & hoping as if a prepossessing intelligence of knowhow to enpower that individual for things like technical problems will somehow come together in an instance is kinda naive.... BY JUST ONE BRAIN ALONE??...  (Sure, okay.... it's probably possible that way for some greatly practical people but not everyone has all mental faculties needed for that, so although I have HOPES regardless as seen ny the positivity in this paragraph from MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS, to SET SAIL ALONE as it were I would nowhere near say recommendable for most in my HUMBLEST OF OPINIONS - so I say immediately from the start, get looking at the broad picture to begin using JUST COMMON SENSE of realizing ###numbers will by STARK contrast increase### SUCCESS if all this kind of thing is formulated as a GROUP or REAL WORLD COLLECTIVE of conscionable people ready to be hands on in some sense- and of course with hopefully somewhat similar interests in life and the welfare of this planet in their hearts as they get real about whom to get on board with, or with whom to not even imagine to get on with in practical partnership if caution builds only fear or leads different people into misdirected company, depending on what each participant may want out of joining efforts, and bla bla bla)......

So especially for people without sufficient knowledge or knowhow- (like me I admit) - would by overall effect and competence of group function be better overall serve or contribute as the better word .... (no- not as a slave, I never said that! - but just some peeps with some zest and a fair responsibility) to then benefit being part of any touted group (... for example so inclined with whatever ethos giving pathos, and with desired result or however any group project shall strategize & co-operate to become realistic LONG TERM - or just as long as people find contentment in being part)....
 

Anyway-- Clearly this better together mentality is the preferred option **the human condition per se not least** best amenable for combining knowledge and skills--- and level up on this basis for whatever AGREEABLE PURPOSE short and long term people may have in mind. but let me point out again ---> if it were JUST I MYSELF and it may come to that on some level, well since the whole world sucks and so weirdly it seems some may find difficult to entice like-minded souls who can agree to get on with something once we find whom appropriate (friendly, workable, conscientious ETC) we would like to work with if group efforts & collaboration is the way to go.....

 

AND if my word is anything to go by, like as SUGGESTED (no brainers basicly) that PRIMARILY serve as health barometers fpr a Project of Passion & Wellness for this sort of lifestyle, well to my mind the aforementioned in first paragraph which are pretty much indispensible assets of this sort, for spirit of intent etc at the very least....thereby given those sorts of motifs at the outset, POSITIVITY RAISES, and anyone hoping to partake in such a lifestyle, as I roundedly hope to do, can PERHAPS then justify "hoping for the best", and who doesn't [like to] hope for best.... as long as minimal effort of self sustaining work is involved  J/K that little quip!.... Then all such considerations of spirit of intent in tact, one or the many (if a group) can get into gear mentally & physically in respect of Evaluating Any Other OFF GRID Struggles too and how much of a snag or gliche could result in failure or despondancy of will.... (Struggles & Snuggles with any overly passive sloth to encourage the ones dragging their feet??  j/k??) ....

Anyway THIS WHOLE IDEA any person or persons need to contemplate relatively seriously, this WHOLE OFF GRID THING, and not necessarily about whether exactly like-minded as me or not as nobody should be about telling others what to do in unkind manner....

.....

For myself though that would be btw, Vegan Food Cultivation. since after many a long year, I in MY OWN example & passage of conscience, won't be going back to meat EVER for what my own criteria is... but we are not only talking about the dietry ideals of everyone involved in something like this, as whether darlings like it or not, everyone is different .....HOWEVER~ as for me - I can tell any curious people though being vegan HAS CHANGED MY LIFE, and then to dream like as if 'Dining' in the Wild? ah well kinda....but *yes please* dare I even say, not that restaurants are my thing AT ALL anyway, and hence why not be looking as an example maybe something similar to my 2 cents into this OFF GRID NETWORKINGG of some kind.... (*my spin on it ok, I realize not everyone will end up being VEGAN like me or even want to be, in fact there are doubtless even some vegan haters on these forums, but does my health deteriorate, no people it does not*)...

 

Still all the best everyone in basicly holding onto your humanity in what are undoubtedly tough/ even disturbing times.... So let's agree one thing ~~~>  there needs to be MORE of these GROUND UP sorts of movements and projects of relatively small scale
to get more people moving on joining in, (where-ever projects may manifest) and by people getting in the mindset of FREEDOM, seeing where FREEDOM really lyes for anyone seeking a fair & sustainable quality of life ~ like what appears the OP is mainly advocating and going OFF GRID just so happens to meet that purpose--- but for the wise not launching into anything foolhardily before knowing what we could be in for..... 

 

Soooo beyond basic outlines, I have no fool proof conclusion ../.. no concrete plans ...((as I would wish for the better)) ....beyond this so far..... BUT iiiiii DO HAVE Spirit of Intent.... Meaning basicly I have Enthusiasm// REASON FOR LIVING.

Everyone will have everything their body needs, but it will be a BIIIIIT of an effort, except on the planting side etc, if you already like gardening like me, it's like fun.....

To be honest, it’s a bit of a long read and I’m struggling with your style of writing (not a criticism, it’s probably me not you!). The points I’m getting are this;

 

Going off grid is a good idea but it is, for most people, only likely to work as a collective effort.

 

’Spirit of intent’, a phrase which basically defines itself, is important as a key principle. Positive mindset, the right attitude e.t.c., and a focus has to constantly be on that.

 

Many different lifestyles and moral values need to be able to coexist to some degree, or at least accept the existence of other moral values in different off grid projects.

 

The point is not a specific lifestyle or ethos, but rather a general tendency to go off-grid in a variety of situations. One common purpose being of course collective/self determination.

 

This is what I understood from reading your post. Am I right? Let me know if I have misunderstood something. 
 

I really agree with you! You have clearly thought your attitude through and have a good vision. I’m aiming, in the next few years, to be coordinating many off grid projects whilst also coordinating a network of logistics and off-system technology, precisely so people like you can do exactly what you discribed.

 

Some concrete steps you can take now are;

Be badass, and work on being more badass

Keep an eye on people, on this forum or off, who want to get involved. The number will expand

 

 

[TetraG]

Hello, (in order).... BeeHive (thanks for reading my post), & you in particular Green Dragon (since you are most outspoken at present) but not of course downing or undermining whomever else coming into it at any moment ... 

 

But yes your announcements GD in particular I am excited to read the posts of, especially by seeing you have plans to let us know how do up there nr. Halifax as I read of you late evening on Sat. 15th of October in this simply *great* thread!!

I feel you and I (and all others like JCP, for example, getting in on this STS as would be inspired likewise) have come about noticing each other with a great confluence of minds & wills...and also in terms of time, and to some degree chance, but I am quite an avid member here at DI, (& I'm not the only one) so chance is again more like Spirit of Intent as of coming here online to this place too.....so cheers to all good Spirit of Intent yes and it's self defining ascendency to better things where LIFE is not forgotten, interrupted or impeded or worse.. BE LIFE... BE ALIVE...
 

OK, encouraging signs for what we see here, though introductions as they may go on, aside a second, as until I have given this a bit more extra thought for increasingly better executed posts of validation for going forward.... but more simply than that I just wanna say first of all, YEAH 100%  well done you HAVE understood deftly & wisely and on point by your assessment of me, so much appreciated thanks for that GD!..

No bull about it~ Your post in fact is the best post of it's kind (in relation to my involvement anyway & meeting of any persons input forthwith) that I have seen on DI concerning the OFF GRID general resurgence of direction for addressed needs & vital endeavours in terms of necessary action and any garnering of support likewise, to encourage others to build around the same ethos also. OR rather as you say it's less about ethos and lifestyles that each has,  and in addition from my thinking (& thinking too by what JCP is portraying) is more importantly the thing WE CAN ALL get on board with....(since stakes are so high everywhere in the world for practically everyone's survival) so yeah let's as needed think more widely about how to Off Grid Successfully FOR THE MANY OF US to grant life to through as many projects as can viably work and at the same time RID ourselves of being inadvertent bed-fellows with corporations sucking the life out of us with their guile, and imposing dependency illusions, as if were totally reliant until death on their bile were all we have going for us. Not so, this thing to usurp corporations is active by what we aim to do (and you seem to already be doing GD, which is absolutely fantastic)...
 

And incidently}}... would ya know I have a distant memory of (online) where I had seen about that place up nr. Halifax in my past internet general exploration of those kinds of projects, (before Convid or during, whenever it was) so this is why someone like yourself is on these forums getting word out, for all to soak up (& SPEAK UP) and perhaps be involved themselves~ its such GREAT NEWS, whether there or at some alternative other but similar kind of project. 

WE have to know in amongst ourselves and give out the message WE are the CREATORS, and offer advantage by changing the narrative and in turn encouraging other participants to get the life they want without ruining Planet Earth in the process...

 

Below just highlighting, but everything you say got a win vote from me. Sure enough. 

8 hours ago, Green Dragon said:

I really agree with you! You have clearly thought your attitude through and have a good vision. I’m aiming, in the next few years, to be coordinating many off grid projects whilst also coordinating a network of logistics and off-system technology, precisely so people like you can do exactly what you discribed.

 

Some concrete steps you can take now are;

Be badass, and work on being more badass

Keep an eye on people, on this forum or off, who want to get involved. The number will expand

 

 

Right on!!.... This is the best attitude and thankyou for recognizing that in me too! 

8 hours ago, Green Dragon said:

Many different lifestyles and moral values need to be able to coexist to some degree, or at least accept the existence of other moral values in different off grid projects.

 

The point is not a specific lifestyle or ethos, but rather a general tendency to go off-grid in a variety of situations. One common purpose being of course collective/self determination.

 

This is what I understood from reading your post. Am I right? Let me know if I have misunderstood something. 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by TetraG

[Green Dragon]

Really appreciate the feedback! Yeah, the spirit of intent is getting to this forum. We WILL make multiple off-grid projects happen.

 

Il do a next post on Friday, (when my schedule permits me to spend more time). I think we can arrange a next step.

 

Nice to see some focussed proactive energy!

[TetraG]

On 10/19/2022 at 11:02 PM, Green Dragon said:

Really appreciate the feedback! Yeah, the spirit of intent is getting to this forum. We WILL make multiple off-grid projects happen.

 

Il do a next post on Friday, (when my schedule permits me to spend more time). I think we can arrange a next step.

 

Nice to see some focussed proactive energy!

 

Perfect, and no problem if you take a little longer to gather your energies for what's needed to produce what you have in mind to share and so we can start pooling all these energy to where it matters,, either proactively or spontaneously....  Some stuff from various individual ideas (etc) can/could be organized from home, since this is the internet, whenever distance or practicality gets in the way. ...<-->...
 

And ps, to reiterate with a bit of clarity from me in all angles of what to apprehend in forethought or acknowledge as broad acceptance.... I point to how I know/acknowledge not everyone will be thinking soley in terms of growing veg, and yet whilst *yes* (gotta be honest) - somehow I would want to maintain my own integrity of what that entails, for example growing with green non-animal manure where possible?... Ok so that's me, but HEAR ME OUT>> ... Eg, each sector of ideas can proliferate as needed, or branch off slightly might be a thought (if happily conceded in settlement of wants by whomever concerned) to consider by mutual or branch off "agreement" in either context of what works in any particular case of divergent tendencies etc...  (THUS maintaining some kind of social action partnership overall... and most importantly so we can all, no matter of our particular wants can ALL keep up with the overall picture of what everybody else is approximately doing).... 

So for example however his or her opinion, it's where we would be in a place where 'we' (subjective "we") know it's no use in procluding what many different (albeit marginally different given how we are individuals but all said we have ALTERNATIVE in common as the BASELINE) types of people will want of course as the meaning to that (as applicable to catering to this wide thinking context) &&&--> projects of so named splinter groups as needs must if required,, which DOESN'T automatically mean a splinter group of any kind has to feel alienated or out of the loop for what we all more broadly wish for....

 

As a result of basic considerations [to in one way or another suit all], a Basic Bottom line could be like: Harmonize the will in us all, by getting on with stuff, lessening anxiety in interests of knowing whether or not we are making progress... Where possible to do so in collaborative spirit where all in all any selected Itinerary can appeal to anyone of like-mind or skill-sharing -> (ie, LOOSELY COLLABORABTIVE various similar theme projects) --> would be beneficial to whoever showed interest in broad recognition. Listening to individual needs listened to likewise  along the way, whilst simultaneously allowing for everyone to endeavour to be all inclusive with whatever the speciality they are best at, or more generally for basicly combining ideas IN SOME WAY for the alternative scene generally. Promoting working together basicly.

Edited October 21, 2022 by TetraG

[Green Dragon]

8 hours ago, TetraG said:

 

Perfect, and no problem if you take a little longer to gather your energies for what's needed to produce what you have in mind to share and so we can start pooling all these energy to where it matters,, either proactively or spontaneously....  Some stuff from various individual ideas (etc) can/could be organized from home, since this is the internet, whenever distance or practicality gets in the way. ...<-->...
 

And ps, to reiterate with a bit of clarity from me in all angles of what to apprehend in forethought or acknowledge as broad acceptance.... I point to how I know/acknowledge not everyone will be thinking soley in terms of growing veg, and yet whilst *yes* (gotta be honest) - somehow I would want to maintain my own integrity of what that entails, for example growing with green non-animal manure where possible?... Ok so that's me, but HEAR ME OUT>> ... Eg, each sector of ideas can proliferate as needed, or branch off slightly might be a thought (if happily conceded in settlement of wants by whomever concerned) to consider by mutual or branch off "agreement" in either context of what works in any particular case of divergent tendencies etc...  (THUS maintaining some kind of social action partnership overall... and most importantly so we can all, no matter of our particular wants can ALL keep up with the overall picture of what everybody else is approximately doing).... 

So for example however his or her opinion, it's where we would be in a place where 'we' (subjective "we") know it's no use in procluding what many different (albeit marginally different given how we are individuals but all said we have ALTERNATIVE in common as the BASELINE) types of people will want of course as the meaning to that (as applicable to catering to this wide thinking context) &&&--> projects of so named splinter groups as needs must if required,, which DOESN'T automatically mean a splinter group of any kind has to feel alienated or out of the loop for what we all more broadly wish for....

 

As a result of basic considerations [to in one way or another suit all], a Basic Bottom line could be like: Harmonize the will in us all, by getting on with stuff, lessening anxiety in interests of knowing whether or not we are making progress... Where possible to do so in collaborative spirit where all in all any selected Itinerary can appeal to anyone of like-mind or skill-sharing -> (ie, LOOSELY COLLABORABTIVE various similar theme projects) --> would be beneficial to whoever showed interest in broad recognition. Listening to individual needs listened to likewise  along the way, whilst simultaneously allowing for everyone to endeavour to be all inclusive with whatever the speciality they are best at, or more generally for basicly combining ideas IN SOME WAY for the alternative scene generally. Promoting working together basicly.

Absolutely bang on, like a coordinated network based on the reality that we have different core values and therefore groups will play together better with some groups than others. 
 

I’d be having heavy discipline like navy seals, with hardcore (peaceful) warriors who go to places guerilla style and get jobs done. Then we’d party and drink and get up to all sorts of debauchery! And eat lots of meat. 
 

Some of my friends will probably be in field with groups who chant and praise Mother Earth and our ancestors, and kiss the trees every day. I and my crew of nutjob warriors would visit them from time to time.
 

I think diversity in outlook is a wonderful thing, and having groups who are pouring out different energies is how we will be operating. 
 

So I was thinking of next steps to make this happen.
From my situation, I’m very rooted physically in the Yorkshire Pennines with my business (which aims to be a sort of financial/logistical/agricultural anchor for such a movement). I’m also working on a three part presentation condensing some of DI’s work into what I consider a more useful format, and adding my own spin on things. 
 

In order to bring some collusion between us on the DI forum who are extremely solution oriented, I’mconsidering starting a thread specifically for the purpose with some guidelines on how to be solution oriented, so it doesn’t descend into arguments like my last attempt to do so a few months back. We could then see who pipes up once we have a few coordinated people we could hatch a few plans.
 

 

[TetraG]

11 hours ago, Green Dragon said:

I’m also working on a three part presentation condensing some of DI’s work into what I consider a more useful format, and adding my own spin on things. 

 

Cool, I mean I bet even Davids own son Gareth will express a bit differently from his dad, so why not the rest of us, it's like me liking Shi Heng Yi master shaolin kung fu man of wisdom, I like to follow him, but at the end of the day I have my own ideas on how to express what he and myself may have in common but being okay with that is a wonderful tool in interests of all if we welcome diversity in the name of strength and collaborative mentality  (general acceptance of others and all which that may entail).

 

11 hours ago, Green Dragon said:

 

In order to bring some collusion between us on the DI forum who are extremely solution oriented, I’m considering starting a thread specifically for the purpose with some guidelines on how to be solution oriented, so it doesn’t descend into arguments like my last attempt to do so a few months back. We could then see who pipes up once we have a few coordinated people we could hatch a few plans.

 

Collusion, MUAHAHAHA, yes good word!!...... (Just being a little silly in fun).   The government nastily colludes all the time,, so why can't we, only in a more benevolent way..... <Exactly as I would put it, well I just did, haha!!

 

NEW THREAD ANNOUNCEMENT UP FOR CONSIDERATION BY GREEN DRAGON:-
No Problem, a new thread showing how guidelines could present a way seem like they are apt coming from you as one of the most eager here to offer that as a structure to perhaps works on whatever template guides us all well, or equally (to put another way) could be carried forward by people forming how they operate loosely based around it even. (= overall whatever the path taken or model used, can still resonate up and down the spectrum of ideas, unless radically different where reason would enter the fray, but we'll come to that as & when we cross that bridge I guess.... From me at least NONE of this is a REGIME MANDATE as I would see it - *there are more attractive ways of articulating & advocating a discipline but which still offers to be welcoming*.... So by that I mean co-operatively the main thing to allign with is to be good willed, & open minded.. (granted different interpretations WILL occur, but that's where the guidelines such as by Green Dragon I assume will OFFER to HELP), thereby be equal to the COLLECTIVE ambition of Every Wonderful Being living up to minimum aspired goal of being Collaborative in context of the broader picture, of NOT letting civilization descend into the GREEDY ARMS of POWER HUNGRY governmental organizations AND corrupt businessmen who would wreak havoc by undermining our rite to exist such as the so called 'Elite' do everyday of their lives, by pissing on the poor. which we can't have.)

 

The current thread we are now speaking in, can then continue to be used if the OP wants for

I guess more general ideas to keep flowing or to exist for discussing Beartaria Community....
Thanks for helping raising this amount of interest hardtruthspitta + Beehive + JCP.. ++others still to show should they wish.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by TetraG

[BeeThrive]

Are you in the netherlands tetra? If yes, are there many off-grid communities/groups there?

When i was in the uk there were many groups up and down the country forming/progressing as ‘eco-communities’ - a wide variety of persuasions. Some were more focused on renewable energy, some on organic food production, others about planting forests and ecological issues.

 

For a taster of off-grid life its worth joining a group for a year to gain a clearer pespective of all facets involved. Most groups need as much help as possible to expand so are always looking for skilled members to elevate the lifestyle of the whole group.

 

I like what michael tellinger is doing in south africa with his ‘moneyless community’ idea. The principles are really inspiring. The huge irony is to be free of money, costs a lot to set-up! But that is the way when trying to work with 2 systems. 
 

I agree with your statements that doing off-grid life alone or just 2/3/4 people, is verrrrrry challenging. Immediately on a piece of land anywhere, there’s 6 full time jobs, if you want power/food/housing. My experience has taught me 6 experienced skilled people are required at the bare minimum to get any off-grid project off the ground, starting with just a piece of land. All 6 ideally need a helper, so 12 would be easier for everyone to have some ‘free’ time. 
 

Group living really is a great experience to evolve the ego healthily and bash through social/parental/cultural conditioning. The focus shifts from self to all. The interests of the group become/are at the heart of all individuals in the group. In modern society the interests of the self are at the heart of will to live. 
I think thats why many are so attracted to reverting to more ‘simple living’ principles, because there’s an unknown craving and need to develop ourselves beyond toxic conditioning. A need for the inner self to shine, amongst like-minded on that journey too. 

 

 

 

[TetraG]

I am not in Netherlands no, I am in UK....

I like your post Beehive, it is very sensible, and I agree with your number for BEST group vitality, where a team could be assembled of 12+ would be the best starting healthy amount of people. 

 

Can't believe I haven't shared this website yet with all (which I've known about for a great many years, yet haven't made the best of it). .. It's one of the best for UK, but you can find ads of communal living of alsorts that also extend to outside of UK as well, to Europe opportunities too which you find from time to time in the Notice Board area.
 

www.DiggersandDreamers.org.uk

https://diggersanddreamers.org.uk/noticeboards/  Their NOTICE BOARD is particularly watch worthy!

 

I am a bit tongue tied atm, either I am too much typing or not enough, but actions are what I am about more even if only

in contemplation at this stage, BUT I have never been more effing serious too, (except a few thousand million times as mirrored
in my NOT ENOUGH ACTION past pining for communal living or off grid get alongs) anyway - in general - about the shape of things to come,
anyway this is why I am quiet atm.... Doesn't necessarily mean I will come up with all the answers.. I need help and advice as much as anyone.

 

Eta: On top of which my normal flat roof over my head is under threat - so another good reason to cut loose out of where I am where if believed I will have no home come the new year.  One sticking point which I hate to think of as dragging me down are my possessions (what to do with it all)..... Been in storage ages. (no room in my flat for it all which would have saved me some money if that were possible to hoard there, if there was room, but a flat I soon face eviction from).

Edited November 6, 2022 by TetraG

[BeeThrive]

22 hours ago, TetraG said:

I am not in Netherlands no, I am in UK....

I like your post Beehive, it is very sensible, and I agree with your number for BEST group vitality, where a team could be assembled of 12+ would be the best starting healthy amount of people. 

 

Can't believe I haven't shared this website yet with all (which I've known about for a great many years, yet haven't made the best of it). .. It's one of the best for UK, but you can find ads of communal living of alsorts that also extend to outside of UK as well, to Europe opportunities too which you find from time to time in the Notice Board area.
 

www.DiggersandDreamers.org.uk

https://diggersanddreamers.org.uk/noticeboards/  Their NOTICE BOARD is particularly watch worthy!

 

I am a bit tongue tied atm, either I am too much typing or not enough, but actions are what I am about more even if only

in contemplation at this stage, BUT I have never been more effing serious too, (except a few thousand million times as mirrored
in my NOT ENOUGH ACTION past pining for communal living or off grid get alongs) anyway - in general - about the shape of things to come,
anyway this is why I am quiet atm.... Doesn't necessarily mean I will come up with all the answers.. I need help and advice as much as anyone.

 

Eta: On top of which my normal flat roof over my head is under threat - so another good reason to cut loose out of where I am where if believed I will have no home come the new year.  One sticking point which I hate to think of as dragging me down are my possessions (what to do with it all)..... Been in storage ages. (no room in my flat for it all which would have saved me some money if that were possible to hoard there, if there was room, but a flat I soon face eviction from).

The diggerdreamers site is very good i agree, the noticeboard full. 
 

Many places will let you volunteer so its worth getting in touch and diving into it to see a fully operational off-grid system and how it runs/works, put your vision into action, and see where you fit into the group dynamic etc, how you develop your personal purpose. Sometimes these things are not known without actually doing it.

As your tenancy may be ending, why not get in touch with an established group and volunteer? 
 

Our material possessions can become a burden, and i always seem to be in the process of slimming-down!
Transferring paperwork/books/physical photos to digital media that fits on a external drive, minimises owning boxes of belongings. 
As our sentimentality ego nature becomes more centred we tend to keep hold of useful ‘stuff’/tools of life, like plates and spoons, a bed, tools for work, and letting go of the rest.

 

 

 

 

[TetraG]

Foundation for (most all) Intentional Communities:

https://www.ic.org/

 

Like by going on D&D, I loosely also know (from my past websurfs) directories of this stuff like the importsnt above site IC.org.

It offers listings too which like when I used to check for inspiration there, same can happen to provide inspiration now when we be on the lookout for practical answers by seeing what others are doing..... I am now returning to such websites for encouragement as much as inspiration- just need to try harder to unlock what's out there, keep up enthusiasm and as you say Beehive, be trying something to really come to see & feel how & where it all makes best (practical) sense, suitability wise et all... but I'll just say I am not great at going into something, not knowing a good amount of what I'll be in for in advance. Btw, another term useful to know is "Co-Housing" when doing a search for this kinda stuff too.

Edited November 7, 2022 by TetraG

[TetraG]

Example of interesting book being advertised on their website: "Resilient Together" its called... Resilience in communities prompted by whatever but in particular climate disruption as none of us can escape that easily from this Planet, so the advice is get doing something basicly, ie, building community helping climate chaos by helping to divert or offset its worst effects, (by at least not contributing to it anymore than we minimally have to) for those of us not minding to live low-carbon....It looks like a read for how to overcome related challenges by creating community solutions as would seem obvious and relevant in modern day realities.... (the weather btw much as happening tonight actually in weather right now outside my window- its quite atrocious, sqawly winds & fast blowing rain).

https://www.ic.org/community-bookstore/product/together-resilient-building-community/

Other book titles & IC mags about Community forming are to be seen dotted about on IC also.

Edited November 7, 2022 by TetraG

[BeeThrive]

1 hour ago, TetraG said:

Foundation for (most all) Intentional Communities:

https://www.ic.org/

 

Like by going on D&D, I loosely also know (from my past websurfs) directories of this stuff like the importsnt above site IC.org.

It offers listings too which like when I used to check for inspiration there, same can happen to provide inspiration now when we be on the lookout for practical answers by seeing what others are doing..... I am now returning to such websites for encouragement as much as inspiration- just need to try harder to unlock what's out there, keep up enthusiasm and as you say Beehive, be trying something to really come to see & feel how & where it all makes best (practical) sense, suitability wise et all... but I'll just say I am not great at going into something, not knowing a good amount of what I'll be in for in advance. Btw, another term useful to know is "Co-Housing" when doing a search for this kinda stuff too.

Thanks for the IC link It would be great to travel the world visiting and helping at all the communities!

 

All established communities seem to have various focuses, with the main ethos being to live more ecologically, organically, co-operatively. I think if you have that central ethos as a core will in yourself, you’ll find your place in any community. Every person has skills and talents to offer, that help the whole. Even aspects we have no experience of but have a deep interest to learn, means we can be of help and use. 
 

I’ve been considering setting up methane gas production from manure, and having researched it a fair amount, and thought of designs/practical applications, im yet to build it and have it operational. But despite not actually having it built, if i visited a community with baseline materials available for this, i can suggest it and as a team build it fairly quickly. 
Having ideas…to improve and progress existing systems are always welcome in such communities. 
 

The beauty of life is the unknown, and living off the land presents each day different from the last and tomorrow. When the shackles of same daily routine are thrown-off, thats when we begin really living  

We’re conditioned to learn to control our life, plan the future etc….i look at the world doing just that and dont see an ecstatic joyful world, so there’s evidently something very wrong with that model of living. When that conditioning falls, the peace of living in the moment is the joy we’ve been searching for all along. 
Eckhart Tolle “The Power of Now” is a really good book to help the mind loosen the conditioning.