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31 minutes ago, whatthefoxhat said:

Who the fuck is Gareth Southgate? and apart from being a vastly overpaid tool that happens to be handy with a football why on Gods green earth should anything he utter have any affect on my life ?...Frankly if i met him i'd tell him to fuck right off and keep going

He's England's most successful manager since Sir Alf Ramsey. And he's won nothing.

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Who was it said better to be a lucky manager than a good one. Southgate's certainly had a shit load of luck.

 

From being in the right place to get the post in the first place, to the easy groups for WCQ and the Euros....and even the other night, the softest pen you could imagine to grab a 1-1 draw.

 

He should have won the Nations League in 2019 or 2020, when we blew it against the Dutch in the SF.

 

He should have won the Euros in 2021, when Italy were a beaten team and it just needed a player to punt the ball in for a pen.

 

His teams play frightened football, and the defence is wide open. And he plays a tiny keeper who tries to save with the wrong hand.

 

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17 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Football at such levels, like so many other games is no longer a sport, rather a commodity.

Owned essentially by those who hate and essentially wish to control humanity.

Try paying cash to watch Spurs play, or Man Utd.  Try buying a pie or a beer there with cash.

I despise modern football with its blanket 24/7 coverage. I grew up watching United in the days of Best, Law, and Charlton, when it was still a working man's game. Not any more. They took the worse excesses of American sports and grafted them on to our game and this is what we now have. Players making north of  £250,000 a week is normal, and they're the average ones. I stopped following football a long time ago and have no plans to go back. Cricket and Rugby are on the same path, albeit on a much smaller scale.

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2 hours ago, whatthefoxhat said:

.... "something worth admiring  ....

I still hate football"

 

Ha Ha; I love that you hate it. You raise a smile, maintain your sence of humour, and sustain my sence of humour, much appreciated!

 

So I see 😊 You can hate, quite naturally, and still have an insightful opinion.

 

You've both reminded me today ...

 

that some kids that have good manners

 

of the wonderfully descriptive word grit ( & determination )

 

of my respect for the old & wise in a good teacher

 

of those who truly put some heart & spirit back into the community

(and not just fake it for sponsorship)

 

of the beauty in reading life stories, and for myself watching documentaries and older interviews ( of the real people ) especially so that their spirit lives on in us.

 

That to me is eternal life; they gave a solid and admirable part of themselves, and it lives on in the foundation of others. 

 

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19 hours ago, Observations said:

 

 

I'm glad of your replies and appreciate the mention of the heading. I'm still learning how to stick to one subject myself 😃 I'm sure it"s a good discipline, saves us going off on a tangent and shows respect, in exploring a particular question. 

 

I'm not good at it yet, even on my own thread lol, but I'm enjoying being here and getting involved with it all.

 

The posts above gave me some good food for thought.

 

I've always enjoyed the shared passion sports brings out in us. To me football was friends, family, brothers, good times, banter, piss taking, history, shared memories, kids, community, dreams, all the good stuff. And the test of loyalty through the good and bad times too. I hate that it's been stolen.

 

I'm exhausted with the racism line. They're manufacturing a problem. It started sneakily, and now it's a constant bombardment. Give them an inch. 

 

I miss the times when the media just dissected the sport. And ran down the manager? I quite liked that theatre. The opinions, the interpretations. The normal ish media 😆 

 

I used to think let the rich get on with it. Til I realised they want it all. They're not happy with letting us have a bit. They want to take or destroy ... our time, energy, enthusiasm, joy, traditions, culture, love, empathy, creativity, laughter and learning. Our natural impulse to bond with, and help each other. I know it's not about the money. That's just the means to control. It's what they take from our spirit.

 

I think of that poem; first they came for the ...

 

It's all so devious, but our passion and enthusiasm is a threat to them. It's a big club and they're not in it! To borrow from the great Bill Hicks.

 

And with racism; I feel like saying yeah so what, we hate each other, we love each other, that's the beauty of being human. 

 

Plus, I get the impression that Gareth's sincere (I could be wrong) but he & his players don't strike me as very bright and they're making fools of themselves. I've never wanted people discriminated against in my life, but I'll be buggered if I'd kneel to anyone - it doesn't shout 'equality' to me, but exactly the opposite. It's not respectful, it's subservient and symbolically playing into the hands of those who want us to demonstrate  passive obedience to every divisive, moronic instruction from them to  aid  the implementation of our own enslavement. 

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1 hour ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

   .... Not bad people per se, just easily brainwashed into following the agenda.

 

I can appreciate that, some people can't see past their own ceiling.

 

I was thinking back to the world cup. We had a great time in the pub, especially compared to what we'd been used to! We'd hugged strangers again. Lol. Just like the old days. 

 

When we lost, I sort of knew the 'media' would try to force a cut off, a sudden end to any of those shenanigans. Get back to work, I mean get back home.

 

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23 hours ago, Observations said:

It's all so devious, but our passion and enthusiasm is a threat to them. It's a big club and they're not in it! To borrow from the great Bill Hicks.

 

I believe that was george carlin not hicks.....but i like how you have turned it around because yes although the elites are in their own big club the rest of humanity who is able to love and laugh and experience the warmth of company that you describe below are in our own club that the elites can't be a part of and perhaps they despise us for that

 

23 hours ago, Observations said:

I've always enjoyed the shared passion sports brings out in us. To me football was friends, family, brothers, good times, banter, piss taking, history, shared memories, kids, community, dreams, all the good stuff. And the test of loyalty through the good and bad times too. I hate that it's been stolen.

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5 hours ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

I despise modern football with its blanket 24/7 coverage. I grew up watching United in the days of Best, Law, and Charlton, when it was still a working man's game. Not any more. They took the worse excesses of American sports and grafted them on to our game and this is what we now have. Players making north of  £250,000 a week is normal, and they're the average ones. I stopped following football a long time ago and have no plans to go back. Cricket and Rugby are on the same path, albeit on a much smaller scale.

We lived just outside Wolverhampton in the early 70's and my dad once came into my room and said:

 

"You can support who you like but if you want to go to the match with me then you will support Wolves. If you want to support anybody else you can make your own effing way there"

 

I was seven years old. 

 

I watched Wolves all over the country for 15 years or so regularly from 1975 until 1990, covering 82 league grounds (many of which no longer exist). Had so many great memories and learnt how to love and be loyal to something that was generally shite and would regularly make me miserable. Like you, I stopped following football (religiously) a long time ago. I do still listen to it on the radio when bored at work or at home but it means NOTHING compared to when it was an idol. Then, it was everything to me - as was cricket.

 

Once you realise what football at the higher levels really is, you cannot enjoy it with any passion. Personally, I think there is much corruption in the game - notwithstanding it being used as a platform for all manner of dark agendas. I think of that famous Orwell quote often when I see Dippers crying:

 

“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”

 

As for Southgate, I find him odious. I find football forums to be odious. I find the whole SKY thing to be odious.

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45 minutes ago, Saved said:

We lived just outside Wolverhampton in the early 70's and my dad once came into my room and said:

 

"You can support who you like but if you want to go to the match with me then you will support Wolves. If you want to support anybody else you can make your own effing way there"

 

I was seven years old. 

Went to Molineux for a 6th round replay in 1976. Wolves went 2-0 up but we staged an epic comeback and won 3-2. Wolves had Dougan, Richards, and Kindon in the team that night.

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Football was stolen from the working man and it's never coming back, supporting England at a major tournament appears now to be almost a form of virtue signalling, akin to mask wearing. The looks people give me when I say I don't give a fuck about the national side, it's like I've not be jabbed ha ha.

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I'd love to know what Cloughie would make of England playing in a crap dark blue kit with the pink/red coloured trim. One of the reasons he says they didn't like his interview in 1977 is he told the FA their kit at the time was crap and he would immediately replace it with the traditional white/navy combo. And the head of the FA had just made a killing doing the deal with Admiral.

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35 minutes ago, Athenry04 said:

Football was stolen from the working man and it's never coming back, supporting England at a major tournament appears now to be almost a form of virtue signalling, akin to mask wearing. The looks people give me when I say I don't give a fuck about the national side, it's like I've not be jabbed ha ha.

United supporters have never really got behind England. The Beckham thing turned many against England but I remember there being sentiments of that nature back in the 1970s. I have no idea where it stemmed from. I know we hated the Football League in general and Alan Hardaker in particular, and with good reason.

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4 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

United supporters have never really got behind England. The Beckham thing turned many against England but I remember there being sentiments of that nature back in the 1970s. I have no idea where it stemmed from. I know we hated the Football League in general and Alan Hardaker in particular, and with good reason.

 

Yes mate, I'm United, remember watching a friendly back in the 90s against Saudi Arabia on tv, and seeing Wembley rocking to 'stand up if you hate Manu'. I despise the England set up.

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6 hours ago, Observations said:

 

Ha Ha; I love that you hate it. You raise a smile, maintain your sence of humour, and sustain my sence of humour, much appreciated!

 

So I see 😊 You can hate, quite naturally, and still have an insightful opinion.

 

You've both reminded me today ...

 

that some kids that have good manners

 

of the wonderfully descriptive word grit ( & determination )

 

of my respect for the old & wise in a good teacher

 

of those who truly put some heart & spirit back into the community

(and not just fake it for sponsorship)

 

of the beauty in reading life stories, and for myself watching documentaries and older interviews ( of the real people ) especially so that their spirit lives on in us.

 

That to me is eternal life; they gave a solid and admirable part of themselves, and it lives on in the foundation of others. 

 

Cloughie was the epitome of 'Northern Grit'...Read quite a lot about him and my dad is a die hard DCFC fan through to the core...No nonsense plain speaking management style which always impressed me....Last of the managers from the era of bobble hat,Bovril a meat pie and a rattle and a scarf in your clubs colours if granny could knit fast

And i still hate football

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I should explain why i hate football....My stepdad came into my life when i was 5 and took me to every home and away match DCFC played in a Mk1 capri with air horns that played La Cuchuracha (best bit of going the air horn) but throughout the very late 60's and into the early 70's i did get to see some of the giants of football play....i hated it,i'd much rather be off with my mates climbing trees (and falling out of them !) poking sticks in holes i shouldn't have and generally being a normal rascal of a child but the closest we had to a football team where i lived  was Gresley Rovers and they were so poor they didnt even have grass to play on and it was a cinder pitch made of ashes from the coal fires of the miners who lived nearby

It's grim up north you know!!!

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1 hour ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

I'd love to know what Cloughie would make of England playing in a crap dark blue kit with the pink/red coloured trim. One of the reasons he says they didn't like his interview in 1977 is he told the FA their kit at the time was crap and he would immediately replace it with the traditional white/navy combo. And the head of the FA had just made a killing doing the deal with Admiral.

the 78 admiral kit is my fave followed by the 82

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The 80-82 admiral strip is a thing of wonder. And there was a great doc (and book) about admiral and their quirky ways....a great story was the WC82 in Spain, when the temps made the original shirts unbearable...so they quickly knocked up some new ones in a breathable material...but the girls who sewed the bagdes and trim onto them were working to such a crazy schedule that if you watch the footage of the next match, they're stitched all over the place...Paul Mariner, I think, had his badge virtually under his armpit!

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1 hour ago, Athenry04 said:

Football was stolen from the working man and it's never coming back, supporting England at a major tournament appears now to be almost a form of virtue signalling, akin to mask wearing. The looks people give me when I say I don't give a fuck about the national side, it's like I've not be jabbed ha ha.

That is so insightful ''Stolen from the working man'' almost poetic,Yes we can wax lyrical about the 'olden days' but it really was stolen,commercialised and intended to rip as much cash out of you as they could,Jeez Louise if you want to see something being commercialised study English football from the late 1970's

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Late 70's it started with television then it ramped up during the 80's then the 90's it exploded once Sky started throwing millions at it...Kept millions entertained and hungry for more....No more driving hundreds of miles,simply slip off yer shoes slump on the sofa with the remote and a couple of cans and you are there

Hypnotism of the masses

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2 hours ago, Athenry04 said:

Football was stolen from the working man and it's never coming back, supporting England at a major tournament appears now to be almost a form of virtue signalling, akin to mask wearing. The looks people give me when I say I don't give a fuck about the national side, it's like I've not be jabbed ha ha.

Yep its over for me too. Its the prawn sandwhich brigade now. 

 

Still always space for you at the emriates. Bring your blanket in the winter dont sing. Take pictures during the game. Just dont be too loud. 

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3 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Still always space for you at the emriates. Bring your blanket in the winter dont sing. Take pictures during the game. Just dont be too loud. 

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10 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Who was it said better to be a lucky manager than a good one. Southgate's certainly had a shit load of luck.

 

From being in the right place to get the post in the first place, to the easy groups for WCQ and the Euros....and even the other night, the softest pen you could imagine to grab a 1-1 draw.

 

He should have won the Nations League in 2019 or 2020, when we blew it against the Dutch in the SF.

 

He should have won the Euros in 2021, when Italy were a beaten team and it just needed a player to punt the ball in for a pen.

 

His teams play frightened football, and the defence is wide open. And he plays a tiny keeper who tries to save with the wrong hand.

 

Who was the full/ back centre half about 39 for italy? Bald head massive bloke he seemed like a good character and leader. He pulled saka on his arse. Cant blame him, had to take one for the team but he risked a red as saka was last man. Didnt strike me as a nasty player though.

2 hours ago, Athenry04 said:

Football was stolen from the working man and it's never coming back, supporting England at a major tournament appears now to be almost a form of virtue signalling, akin to mask wearing. The looks people give me when I say I don't give a fuck about the national side, it's like I've not be jabbed ha ha.

 

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