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https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/2013/02/military-ship-track.html - According to this page it is a NATO war exercise
FIRING, ASSAULT, SEARCH & RESCUE NAVY EXERCISES

As documented below:
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Any prior warning to this? do we believe its an exercise? seems like a very large war game/exercise if so!

Edit: Over USA, Canada, Mexico way there appear to not be any NATO warships/vessels. Is that a NATO wargame/exercise?

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Ok I was being an idiot

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ - you can filter by military aircraft here. Make sure you click filter after clicking what you wish to filter by otherwise it will still show all flights

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A blackhawk and one other patrolling the coast of CA. A couple of other mil craft dotted around. Stark contrast to New York which has a lot more military aircraft nearby, see below.

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As this started EU way and is according to NATO mil exercises lets take a look over there for aircraft presence...

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Practically empty, a couple that are on route elsewhere, something doesn't add up still.

Overall mil view US and EU
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Take a look at some of the flight paths by clicking on individual craft, holding patterns dotted around particular states, cities, coasts, borders. Any one know if that is normal?

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I think you are reading too much into this, military aircraft etc don't always show depending on whether they have transponders switched on or off and what codes they are squawking, also the same for military shipping... 

 

You can't read anything into their locations either, there are going to be concentrations of ships in certain areas from time to time, it's normal, training exercises, coastal patrols, shore leave, ships returning to base for maintenance etc.  Don't forget as well US carriers are always part of a larger battle group consisting of various escort vessels, sometimes made up of vessels from other NATO members.

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18 minutes ago, Nefaria said:

I think you are reading too much into this, military aircraft etc don't always show depending on whether they have transponders switched on or off and what codes they are squawking, also the same for military shipping... 

 

You can't read anything into their locations either, there are going to be concentrations of ships in certain areas from time to time, it's normal, training exercises, coastal patrols, shore leave, ships returning to base for maintenance etc.  Don't forget as well US carriers are always part of a larger battle group consisting of various escort vessels, sometimes made up of vessels from other NATO members.


I agree, probably looking in to it too much and its nothing at all. Military aircraft/vessels dont show when doing covert operations, this appears to not be a covert thing at all which is interesting in and of itself. 

Particularly when prior warning was given to the public.

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11 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


I agree, probably looking in to it too much and its nothing at all. Military aircraft/vessels dont show when doing covert operations, this appears to not be a covert thing at all which is interesting in and of itself. 

Particularly when prior warning was given to the public.

What's going on in Wales does seem a bit odd especially when the news article quoted something along the lines of "biggest weapons trace by UK".....  It's not very clear and if it's secret why publicise it?  

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10 minutes ago, Nefaria said:

What's going on in Wales does seem a bit odd especially when the news article quoted something along the lines of "biggest weapons trace by UK".....  It's not very clear and if it's secret why publicise it?  

It isn't secret, I think that is entirely the point and I wouldn't take media as to why anything is occurring at any point in time. Personally.

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4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:


I agree, probably looking in to it too much and its nothing at all. Military aircraft/vessels dont show when doing covert operations, this appears to not be a covert thing at all which is interesting in and of itself. 

Particularly when prior warning was given to the public.

 

It may be public to show Russia the combined force. 

 

I'd get worried if the nuke missile transportation over land ramps up. 

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On 6/7/2022 at 12:13 PM, Nefaria said:

I think they have "lost" something and trying to find it, there's only a small window for them to be able to do so, then it's lost forever....  

 

 

That thought did cross my mind, but I was reminded of a post I made here a couple of years ago:

Now, maybe THEY are looking for something, that THEY don't want someone else to find or know that THEY are looking for it.

 

So why not rustle up some kind of 'naval training exercise' to keep others out of the area while they snoop around?

 

What they are looking for is anyone's guess. If there are sunken petrified forests under the sea in Cardigan Bay, then there was once habitable land, and maybe someone lived there. Maybe there is some ancient technology buried there? There are lots of claims about the location of King Arthur's "Camelot" and the resting place of the famous Holy Grail, with lots of research pointing towards being somewhere in Wales. Do THEY want to find this and take the secrets for themselves, or will they be looking to destroy this so no-one else can find it? (I only suggest DESTROY as the article in the initial post made references to weapons tracing or testing)

 

To many, this may seem like a wild outlandish suggestion or theory, but for me, it is preferable to theories about this exercise being to 'hunt for Russian subs', as THEY would probably prefer people to be led towards.

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6 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

That thought did cross my mind, but I was reminded of a post I made here a couple of years ago:

Now, maybe THEY are looking for something, that THEY don't want someone else to find or know that THEY are looking for it.

 

So why not rustle up some kind of 'naval training exercise' to keep others out of the area while they snoop around?

 

What they are looking for is anyone's guess. If there are sunken petrified forests under the sea in Cardigan Bay, then there was once habitable land, and maybe someone lived there. Maybe there is some ancient technology buried there? There are lots of claims about the location of King Arthur's "Camelot" and the resting place of the famous Holy Grail, with lots of research pointing towards being somewhere in Wales. Do THEY want to find this and take the secrets for themselves, or will they be looking to destroy this so no-one else can find it? (I only suggest DESTROY as the article in the initial post made references to weapons tracing or testing)

 

To many, this may seem like a wild outlandish suggestion or theory, but for me, it is preferable to theories about this exercise being to 'hunt for Russian subs', as THEY would probably prefer people to be led towards.

 

On 3 different occasions the Naval version of the F35 crashed at sea and they made a big public fuss about "recovering the technology before the Russians do".

 

Maybe they lost something important at sea, like an anti-gravity aircraft?

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12 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

That thought did cross my mind, but I was reminded of a post I made here a couple of years ago:

Now, maybe THEY are looking for something, that THEY don't want someone else to find or know that THEY are looking for it.

 

So why not rustle up some kind of 'naval training exercise' to keep others out of the area while they snoop around?

 

What they are looking for is anyone's guess. If there are sunken petrified forests under the sea in Cardigan Bay, then there was once habitable land, and maybe someone lived there. Maybe there is some ancient technology buried there? There are lots of claims about the location of King Arthur's "Camelot" and the resting place of the famous Holy Grail, with lots of research pointing towards being somewhere in Wales. Do THEY want to find this and take the secrets for themselves, or will they be looking to destroy this so no-one else can find it? (I only suggest DESTROY as the article in the initial post made references to weapons tracing or testing)

 

To many, this may seem like a wild outlandish suggestion or theory, but for me, it is preferable to theories about this exercise being to 'hunt for Russian subs', as THEY would probably prefer people to be led towards.

This makes sense. Many things have been found that demonstrate the history we're taught is wrong and show very advanced technology way earlier than it was discovered or invented in our time-line. They were once on public display but have reputedly been hidden or destroyed by the Vatican. Again, it's been covered in the past on thread(s) here and there's a lot of detail in books such as ,'Theatre Earth: Who Pulls the Strings?' by Renee Henry.

 

(If you enjoy a good fictional read on Arthurian legend and haven't tried Bernard Cornwell's 'Warlord Trilogy', I can strongly recommend it).

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Fully agree with that sentiment, however, wars are started over OOPARTS to obfuscate what they are doing, its not done openly and on publicly available radar, otherwise MJ-12, private sector and others wouldn't have been able to hide this technology for hundreds of years from the general public. 

What were Nazis working on in WW2? anti gravity. Which is actually very easy when you aren't indoctrinated to the publics sanitized version of Physics.

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1 hour ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

They were once on public display but have reputedly been hidden or destroyed by the Vatican.


https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-04/devil-named-telescope-helps-astronomers-see-through-darkness/ 

Vatican own a telescope in Arizona

https://astronomy.com/news/2010/04/lucifer-allows-astronomers-to-watch-stars-being-born

Vatican Library contains some of the books/information that people believe have been burnt / destroyed.

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Just a couple of points:

 

The naval activity elsewhere in Europe is nothing unusual. NATO has to find games to play with their $billion  toys. They can't go to the Black Sea for the moment (a big favourite in the past), so Scandinaiva is a good bet. Helps them with their shoo-in to NATO, too!. 

 

Anyone heard of Castlemartin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlemartin_Training_Area  A bit south of the area, but it's a huge place and could something unpleasant have been fired off from there and gone the wrong way?

 

FWIW, my guess is that something which is very unpleasnt has fallen off a ship or aircraft, and they need to locate it and get it up ASAP. 'Weapon safety Traces' says it all to me. This is by no means a standard exercise. Such things are planned many months in advance and the MoD would not normally interfere with civil shipping, be it commercial or private. Whatever it is, I reckon it's quite serious, but as always with these things, we'll never find out the truth. 

 

There is form for missiles potentially going astray in the area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_712

I had friends who worked for Aer Lingus at the time and the firm belief was that the aircraft was hit by a stray missile. The aircraft was 11 years old, hed formerly been owned by KLM, and Aer Lingus' maintenance was excellent, so structural failure seems exceedingly unlikely. 

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Not entirely convinced of that considering vessels from New Zealand and Australia, Alaska, US etc are all seemingly involved. Would be a very large waste of time to travel that far to look for something off the coast of UK, or Sweden. By the time they got there that thing would be long gone or already recovered. 

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4 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

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NYC:



CA:
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CA: (Note all yellow or orange are within a few thousand feet off ground)
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NYC military air is pretty much empty as of now.

 

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Looks like loads of naval vessels are concentrated around the British isles... I wonder why that is?

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