webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 What’s this all about? Fri 8:54 am +00:00, 3 Jun 2022 posted by Tapestry Huge part of sea off Welsh coast off limits due to safety reasons People are being warned to stay out of a large part of the sea off the Welsh coast for a period of three weeks for safety reasons. The Ministry of Defence (MOD) is conducting trials off the west coast of Wales, in the Cardigan Bay area, which will include “one of the biggest weapon safety traces” used by the British Government. The stretch where they are asking people to stay out of the water covers a huge part of the sea off west Wales – from a few miles north of Fishguard in Pembrokeshire, stretching all along Ceredigion and up towards Bardsey Island in north Wales.This includes the sea off popular Welsh tourists spots such as Llangrannog, New Quay and Aberaeron. You can get the latest WalesOnline newsletters e-mailed to you directly for free by signing up here. Read more: Council slam ‘distasteful’ jubilee tribute to Queen sat on a toilet As a result of the trials, which are expected to run between 9am and 4.30pm every weekday for three weeks, sailors, fishing crew, and anyone who would enter the sea in the mapped area seen below is urged not to do so. %7B© MOD Aberporth The yellow circle shows the area that the Ministry of Defence have asked people to avoidA message from MOD Aberporth has been sent to local activity clubs along the stretch in question. A spokesman for the MOD said: “We have a trial activity coming up which starts on June 6, running for three weeks (unless if they complete earlier). Unfortunately this trial has one of the biggest weapon safety traces that we use, which results in us needing to keep most of the bay clear of shipping. “Hopefully the map below gives you an idea of the size of the safety trace (yellow circle – 18NM), and we realise that it is a lot to ask but can you remain clear of this area from 9am through to 4.30pm each weekday (not weekends). We realise that the sailing season is now getting underway and that you have a lot of activities planned, but can we ask that you make your members aware of our Trial activity and ask that they steer around the safety area during this period please.” The MOD spokesman added that they will be making hourly broadcasts on IMM channel 16 and 11 throughout the days in question, and that anyone who wishes more information should contact 01239 813 760.” Robert Harries 21 hrs ago Huge part of sea off Welsh coast off limits due to safety reasons (msn.com) TAP – It looks like a cover story – either to do with Sellafield or possibly to do with an incident involving a nuclear submarine. Why would the government deliberately release a highly toxic substance in concentrated form for a test? They wouldn’t. It would be more consistent with an event which took place in Cardigan Bay than stuff coming down from Sellafield. What kind of event? The sinking of a submarine? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, webtrekker said: It looks like a cover story What isn't nowadays? Got to read between the news nowadays, its all spin. Propaganda, bollocks with a coordinated agenda, that is not on the side of the general public. Don't get me wrong you can deduce some truth by looking in between headlines and articles - some truth does get out in to the media but very seldom without spin/edits/manipulation at some level. Interesting though, I guess we will see what this is about? P.S. I hope I am as badass as you when I am 70 :) Edited June 3, 2022 by TheConsultant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: P.S. I hope I am as badass as you when I am 70 :) Haha! 70 is the new 40! Got to admit though, I am turning into a cynical old git these days. I blame the bloody internet. Anyway, ths MOD thing, it's definitely dodgy. I mean, they gave no prior warnings to local people and businesses yet say it's going to be in operation for up to 3 weeks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, webtrekker said: I mean, they gave no prior warnings to local people and businesses yet say it's going to be in operation for up to 3 weeks. Are we aware of any other areas being corded off to public off the coast anywhere else? Is this amount of military activity normal on the sea? I genuinely have no idea. UK and West EU is completely riddled. Edited June 3, 2022 by TheConsultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) Ok so looking in to it further the vast vast vast majority of those are categorised as military when they are lifeboats and pollution protection and other various roles. A number of NATO warships off the coast of Wales though. 5 of them. Various HMS vessels dotted around the various coasts too but as I say most of those dots are actually just RNLI. Is having that amount of HMS/military craft on the water at any given time just off the coast of various ports an anomaly or perfectly normal? All around EU too. But take a look if it means anything to anyone at any point https://www.shiplocation.com/military/tracker Edited June 3, 2022 by TheConsultant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 @TheConsultant Thanks for the link to the map. I have superimposed the exclusion zone map from the press releases onto the current map from your link (at around 13:20hrs today, 3/6/22). Note the ominous presence of the 5 NATO warships to the southwest of the exclusion zone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 Note also that there are NO SHIPS AT ALL (including NATO) within the exclusion zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Who would have thought we would spend some time watching the water, weird. Solid work on superimposing that map on top! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 Just been looking at these NATO warships: 2 Netherlands, 2 German, 1 Portuguese and 1 Canadian. Watching the water is much better than watching the Jubilee! (to me, anyway!). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Most things are better than watching the celebration of criminals. IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 Just out of curiosity I checked FlightRadar24 on my mobile and there's also a Netherlands registered helicopter circling above the NATO ships ... Possibly just another 'exercise,' but why was it unannounced? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 A lot of news and information we get is entirely at odds to what is actually occurring. The lack of announcement of a "drill" is odd for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Klaus Schwab's yacht is holidaying there perhaps? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 It appears Cardigan Bay is an MOD Danger area where live weapons testing and other stuff goes on. I didn't know this. MOD Aberporth Range is situated in Cardigan Bay north of the Milford Haven Waterway beyond Strumble Head. The landward range covers some 550 acres and is the base for the testing of air launched weapons and Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS). The Range has a Sea Danger Area which covers 6,500 square kilometres of Cardigan Bay from sea level to unlimited height. The extent of the Sea Danger Area is shown on the map below. Not to be used for navigation Normal operating hours are from 0900hrs to 1700hrs Monday to Friday, but the Range does occasionally operate outside these hours and at weekends. It is worth noting that the actual area for live firing on any particular day depends on the type of activity taking place so will vary the extent and location of any exclusion to use by recreational vessels. For anyone transiting this part of the coast you should check the latest trials programme notice before going. It is recommended that you contact Aberporth Range Control on +44(0) 1239 813480, or Marine Control on +44(0) 1239 813760 who will advise you of the best days to transit the danger area. Alternatively the Range Control can be contacted on VHF channel 16 and 11f. More information and guidance is available on the MOD Aberporth website. Source: https://www.milfordmarina.com/about/accessing-the-marina/cardigan-bay-danger-area-mod-aberporth# 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) But why the announcement at all if its always been an area to test these things? which I had absolutely no idea about Edited June 3, 2022 by TheConsultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 hours ago, webtrekker said: Haha! 70 is the new 40! Got to admit though, I am turning into a cynical old git these days. I blame the bloody internet. Anyway, ths MOD thing, it's definitely dodgy. I mean, they gave no prior warnings to local people and businesses yet say it's going to be in operation for up to 3 weeks. I reckon it's your photoshop that keeps you young. Terrible news about the sea. I've just read a news that they are going to officially release dirty nuclear water from Fukushima into the sea from Spring 2023 and China and Korea are not happy about it clearly but I'm sure it has been leaking unofficially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinfoil Hat Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 It's a rich area for wildlife round there, as well as being beautiful. I hope nobody sprags it up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 hours ago, webtrekker said: "We realise that the sailing season is now getting underway and that you have a lot of activities planned, but can we ask that you make your members aware of our Trial activity and ask that they steer around the safety area during this period please.” Makes you wonder: a) what kind of weapons are being tested b) couldn't they have done this exercise outside of the sailing season to avoid inconvenience? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 It might be that a plane? F35 went into the drink or there's a russian sub down there. I did notice a fair bit of activity over there today. An Airbus A400M was doing circuits at 200 ft above the sea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Captainlove said: It might be that a plane? F35 went into the drink or there's a russian sub down there. I did notice a fair bit of activity over there today. An Airbus A400M was doing circuits at 200 ft above the sea. We often get that Atlas flying over our house as it does circuits around Newcastle airport. It normally flies up from Brize Norton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 45 minutes ago, webtrekker said: We often get that Atlas flying over our house as it does circuits around Newcastle airport. It normally flies up from Brize Norton. All the A400 are Brize i think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 https://cy.birmiss.com/faint-o-llongau-tanfor-rwsia-llongau-tanfor-modern-rwsia-llongau-tanfor-y-llynges-rwsia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: Makes you wonder: a) what kind of weapons are being tested b) couldn't they have done this exercise outside of the sailing season to avoid inconvenience? Something weird like Quark/Meson Bombs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meson_bomb Not possible in the 1960s when Russia was tricked into trying, but likely possible now, and I expect the UK is leading on this. The Russians tried and couldn't do this 60 years ago, but I'm sure the UK has succeeded, so could be a weapon is lost and they want to get their before the Russians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) Or option C). not related to anything media suggests it is related to? Plus in the 1960s Russians were working on far more exotic weaponry than exploding things. Edited June 3, 2022 by TheConsultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Or option C). not related to anything media suggests it is related to? Plus in the 1960s Russians were working on far more exotic weaponry than exploding things. This is interesting http://bwc1972.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Soviet-Biological-Weapons-Program-and-Its-Legacy-in-Todays-Russia.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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