Why Now? Why At THIS Point In Time?

[Tinfoil Hat]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

in the Uk? I must have missed that story

 

that's bad news as he wants to sow all his farmland with GMO's

 

It was Penny Mordaunt, just a few weeks back. You're rightm and he'll be wanting to release his little frankenstein mosquito freaks into our environment no doubt, and whatever other monsters he's got lurking in his basement of horrors,

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

It was Penny Mordaunt, just a few weeks back. You're rightm and he'll be wanting to release his little frankenstein mosquito freaks into our environment no doubt, and whatever other monsters he's got lurking in his basement of horrors,

 

he has invested a lot of money into geoengineering although i'm pretty sure they are covertly hitting us with that one already

 

GMO's, monsanto, chemtrails, vaccines, media bribes and genetically modified mosquitos.....the demons are running amok as bill hicks would say

[Campion]

6 hours ago, zArk said:

really?

 

have you looked how people live? 

they have artificial lawns, fake house plants  

tech strapped to them 24/7

they know more about tv programs and celebrities than about local trees and wildlife

 

they drink artifical flavours and chemicals , they eat highly processed food derived from foreign grown land

 

their living is organised around thevworld rather than sun up and sun down

 

artificoal hips, knees, eyes, stints are prefered to losing weight, exercise and health

 

soo yeah, no separation at all 

 

Ok to be fair, 'natural' is a rather vague word and maybe I'm using it in a different sense than you are. It's why advertisers like it, because it doesn't have a legally binding definition, whereas if they said their product was 'healthy' that would be more likely to commit them to something: but 'natural' has a nice warm fuzzy feeling so it sells products. 
  
All those artificial things like astroturf, plastic plants, silicon chips etc are made from naturally occurring materials, they don't become unnatural or supernatural by being processed. But the processes in our bodies still respond according to their natures by for example falling ill, getting cancer, autism or depression because the ingredients are out of harmony with our optimal survival needs. So we're not really separate, the laws of Physics are the same in the wilderness as in the astroturf, but we like creating illusions for ourselves that for example the astroturf isn't actually plastic, but is grass. 

 

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

he has invested a lot of money into geoengineering although i'm pretty sure they are covertly hitting us with that one already

GMO's, monsanto, chemtrails, vaccines, media bribes and genetically modified mosquitos.....the demons are running amok as bill hicks would say

 

Oh heck, in this country we already can't grow enough food to feed ourselves, we take in many thousands of new mouths to feed and good farmland is being lost to development; now this new threat to our need for a healthy food supply. 

[Macnamara]

7 minutes ago, Campion said:

Oh heck, in this country we already can't grow enough food to feed ourselves, we take in many thousands of new mouths to feed and good farmland is being lost to development; now this new threat to our need for a healthy food supply. 

 

its the same here. I read somewhere recently that the UK only produces 60% of its own food

[TetraG]

On 9/22/2022 at 10:54 PM, Campion said:

Perhaps a relevant question would be how long have we NOT lived under one or another undemocratic dictatorial system?

 

Try this:- a savvy acquaintance passed this onto me.... I now share here.....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/despot-disguise-democracy-james-mcgill-buchanan-totalitarian-capitalism

 

" His vision of a Totalitarian Capitalism has infected public policy in the US. Now it's being Exported!.."

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===James McGill Buchanan=== was strongly influenced by both Neo-Libs Friedrich Hayek and Ludwig von Mises....

and *property supremacist*=> John C Calhoun....

The article above by columnist George Monbiot, (wrote in The Guardian of 2017) mentions those rich people/ despots with another rich guy named "Koch" *yes Koch* - as one of the main stealth implementation clinicians behind dictatorial capitalism trying to diminish *& even destroy* government and civil society to the extent that even your as it were "social security" would be privatised (ie, maligned). etc etc...

Soooo.... By true accounts on how history tells a story, this is a fitting one indeed.....

Soooo.... 

DATE-WISE now: It's about leading up to this date, and beyond (still today, no kidding!), where in 1980 it all began to be implemented with this guy at the helm (and his rich meta-forging WADS as mentioned), this rich nappy-rash of the obviously capitalist and CORPORATE conniving world... Buchanan with his "Limits of Liberty" book, and political double-hand tries with success to sow his stealth constitutional revolution. starting with palling with the Pinochet Dictatorship...etc.

 

In 1986, Buchanan (ignoring tortures and killings of said new constitution HE & OTHERS had developed) was given a Nobel (err, ignoble) Economics award.

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by TetraG

[TetraG]

On 9/24/2022 at 7:48 PM, Campion said:

Ok to be fair, 'natural' is a rather vague word and maybe I'm using it in a different sense than you are. It's why advertisers like it, because it doesn't have a legally binding definition, whereas if they said their product was 'healthy' that would be more likely to commit them to something: but 'natural' has a nice warm fuzzy feeling so it sells products. 
  
All those artificial things like astroturf, plastic plants, silicon chips etc are made from naturally occurring materials, they don't become unnatural or supernatural by being processed. But the processes in our bodies still respond according to their natures by for example falling ill, getting cancer, autism or depression because the ingredients are out of harmony with our optimal survival needs. So we're not really separate, the laws of Physics are the same in the wilderness as in the astroturf, but we like creating illusions for ourselves that for example the astroturf isn't actually plastic, but is grass. 

 

Well said.

[TetraG]

Quote

 

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2018/Lemieuxlimitsofliberty.html

 

The Constitutional Contract

 

In Buchanan’s view, anarchy, or the absence of organized political power, does not work, for the reasons explained by Thomas Hobbes and because public goods can only be produced (or financed) by government. Hobbes famously argued that anarchy is characterized by “a War of every man against every man” and that “the life of man [is] solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.”3 In the terms of game theory, anarchy leads individuals in the worst case of a prisoners’ dilemma.

Given this, what would be an efficient state, that is, one that responds to individual preferences? Buchanan answers that it should be based on a unanimous “constitutional contract” or “social contract” (he uses both expressions) establishing the basic rules of life in society.

 

Start with the equilibrium that would obtain in an anarchic society. It would be an inefficient equilibrium as individuals waste resources (including life) in predation and defense. (As for an anarchy regulated by stifling tribal rules and superstitions, Buchanan reckons that it would be even more inefficient.) This starting point provides a “natural distribution,” that is, some assignment of rights and behavior boundaries, from which a “constitutional contract” may be negotiated.

Think of the social contract as a set of constraints that everybody accepts in order to obtain guaranteed rights and to avoid the violence and waste of anarchy. Only unanimous agreement is necessary; there is no need to invoke “natural law.”

 

^^^^Ending that segment HE MEANS COMPLY... AND OBEY as collective SHEEP....

 

^^^also, check out the "poorE" spelling, lol.

Back in my poorE days, I was once a free man. Yeah that about wraps it up.

(although ~Were people of a poor background in history ever left alone to just be, is something I know not enough about)

 

The quotes (with comments of the website author By Pierre Lemieux?) from Buchanans "Limits of Liberty" (1975) book continues....

He wrote one of two books - "Limits of Liberty" was supposedly the main one.... so again continuing with that as follows found on same page and at same link >>

Quote

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2018/Lemieuxlimitsofliberty.html

 

A constitutional contract between self-interested individuals contains four elements:
1. A “disarmament contract,” whereby individuals unanimously commit to avoid predatory behavior.
2. A definition of rights.
3. The limits of a “protective state” established to enforce the social contract.
4. The rules of collective decision-making for the “productive state,” charged with producing the other public goods that individuals may want.

 

Contrary to other contractarian theorists, Buchanan does not assume that individuals come to the negotiating table as equals in terms of resources or capabilities. As in ordinary exchange, individuals are only equal—but really equal—with regard to their status in the exchange: each one is equally free to say yes or no. 

 

A corollary follows. The Rambos who are more efficient at predation than at production might have to be bought off before they consent. When I first read The Limits of Liberty circa 1984, I was certainly not the only libertarian to be disturbed by the justification this could provide for the welfare state. Meet the “liberal” Buchanan. (I put “liberal” in quotation marks when I want to emphasize the ambiguity of the label as it was adopted by American progressives.) Even if disturbing, the idea is certainly widely shared in the public (even in the United States) that helping the poor is a bargain for the taxpayer as it prevents theft and violence. The logic of Buchanan’s argument, within this theoretical framework, seems unassailable.

 

Yeah, really equal. LOL

Edited September 25, 2022 by TetraG