Where about are you on the vibrational level?

[Macnamara]

what about the truth scale? As in: where are people on the truth scale?

 

doesn't your engagement with the truth then affect where you end up on the scale above? Is ignorance really bliss or does it just paper over a crack in the psyche?

Edited August 9, 2022 by Macnamara

[killing raven sun]

On 5/22/2022 at 4:22 PM, DaleP said:

You could use this as a rough guide to check where you are at each day.

Fear and powerlessness is the lowest.....

number 7, contentment, is the only one that reflects "feeling good", and comes from right action

 

number 6, hopefulness, is a state of unrest that arises from discontent with "now"

 

number 5, optimism, is an avoidance of possibility, an excuse for being unprepared

 

number 4, positive expectation/belief, is self delusion, it is better to know than believe

 

number 3, enthusiasm/eagerness/happiness, are three unrelated terms, enthusiasm is a state of focused awareness, eagerness is a state of anxiety, and hapiness is a state of passive appreciation, hapiness is not "feeling good" but rather a lack of feeling "bad"

 

number 2, passion, is a state of focused obsession, a nervous dis order that arises from feeling disconnected from life

 

number 1 is a total mess, trying to conflate several disparate concepts

joy is the rebound of sorrow, and often becomes addicting so that one searches for sorrow to overcome, this leads to the slow destruction of joy and you are left with just sorrow

appreciation is the purest state of human awareness, it is a state of emotional stability that allows one to begin knowing your self

empowered is a buzzword that is mostly meaningless, but implies coming from a state of deficit, you are the universe, there is no other

 

freedom and love

 

freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing

that which is right is delineated by nature

nature is the ultimate fascist

if you war against it you will die

it doesnt care who you are or what you think

 

love is a mental dis ease that comes from wrong action, an obsession on a singular energy

 

love narrows awareness until you are blind

 

love allows one to prosper while others suffer

 

love justifies violence to preserve itself

 

love is exclusive and then it ends

 

the end of love is hate

 

love develops out of a judgement of "good and evil"

 

the obsession of categorizing good and evil spirals out of control

 

the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil always wins

 

good can only do good, evil can do anything, good cannot use evil to defeat evil, but evil can disguise itself as good to usurp the good

 

in the end, good is doing evils bidding while thinking it is doing good

 

appreciation is the antidote to love

 

 

 

[shabbirss]

[spideysensei]

12 hours ago, Macnamara said:

doesn't your engagement with the truth then affect where you end up on the scale above?

 

Possibly one's level affects how one responds to a truth? Otherwise i would think it's independent. Someone living in fear/anger may reject a truth. Someone already 'empowered' may be less inclined because their state doesn't depend on externalities. Of course that's a hard state to reach.

[Macnamara]

12 hours ago, spideysensei said:

 

Possibly one's level affects how one responds to a truth? Otherwise i would think it's independent. Someone living in fear/anger may reject a truth. Someone already 'empowered' may be less inclined because their state doesn't depend on externalities. Of course that's a hard state to reach.

 

i think you are putting the cart before the horse

 

your emotional state will depend on how well you are able to engage with the truth

 

sure you might be able to fake it....a bit....for a while.....but not for ever. It will catch up with you and your fake emotions will burn away

 

Whereas if you are building a relationship with truth your emotions might take a hit now and then but you will develop a deeper resilience which enables you to ride out the rough with the smooth

[spideysensei]

13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think you are putting the cart before the horse

 

I was thinking the same of you.

 

13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

your emotional state will depend on how well you are able to engage with the truth

 

But now i wonder whether we're even in disagreement. There's probably some cyclical nature to it. Can one be in a good state without knowing a truth? I don't see why not, a hermit might not know much but they may be in a pretty good state of emotional health. If truth is rejected then there's probably some fall back to a lower level.

[Macnamara]

4 hours ago, spideysensei said:

But now i wonder whether we're even in disagreement. There's probably some cyclical nature to it. Can one be in a good state without knowing a truth? I don't see why not, a hermit might not know much but they may be in a pretty good state of emotional health.

 

i disagree. You assume that the ignorant are somehow going to be left alone by the 'great reset' and the turbulence ahead. They will not escape

 

ignorance is not 'bliss'. Ignorance will = enslavement. The reality train is coming down the tracks whether people want to face up to it or not

[spideysensei]

23 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

You assume that the ignorant are somehow going to be left alone by the 'great reset' and the turbulence ahead.

 

I've never said anything of the sort. You came at this from a broad angle with your 'truth scale' but have now zeroed in on a specific 'truth' that adds new context to the dialogue. You can't very well accuse me of assumptions i've made because i haven't followed your train of thought, which is impossible unless you're more explicit to begin with.

 

Even so, i don't know what you're contesting in what i've actually said, which is essentially that, a person living in a lower state may be more susceptible to a comfortable lie, than someone who is already functioning higher.

 

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, spideysensei said:

I've never said anything of the sort. You came at this from a broad angle with your 'truth scale' but have now zeroed in on a specific 'truth' that adds new context to the dialogue. You can't very well accuse me of assumptions i've made because i haven't followed your train of thought, which is impossible unless you're more explicit to begin with.

 

Even so, i don't know what you're contesting in what i've actually said, which is essentially that, a person living in a lower state may be more susceptible to a comfortable lie, than someone who is already functioning higher.

 

if you think that a hermit can live a life of ignorant bliss then you are assuming that they will be left alone by events

 

and what i'm saying is that no one is going to be left alone by events. There will be no blissfullness through ignorance. All that will be achieved by people burying their heads in the sand is that they will bring catastrophe down on themselves even faster

 

so truth is the horse not the cart because it is ONLY through engaging with the truth that we would be able to avert the catastrophic events that are coming down the pipeline.

 

So as far as i'm concerned a chart of where someones shallow level of emotions are at from one moment to the next is not so significant as to what extent they are trying to build a relationship with the truth because ultimately only that process is going to bring them any sort of lasting, deeper connection to anything

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Macnamara

[Oakwise]

 

[spideysensei]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

if you think that a hermit can live a life of ignorant bliss then you are assuming that they will be left alone by events

 

and what i'm saying is that no one is going to be left alone by events.

 

There will be no blissfullness through ignorance. All that will be achieved by people burying their heads in the sand is that they will bring catastrophe down on themselves even faster

 

so truth is the horse not the cart because it is ONLY through engaging with the truth that we would be able to avert the catastrophic events that are coming down the pipeline.

 

So as far as i'm concerned a chart of where someones shallow level of emotions are at from one moment to the next is not so significant as to what extent they are trying to build a relationship with the truth because ultimately only that process is going to bring them any sort of lasting, deeper connection to anything

 

 

I've taken your initial post to be more philosophical than was intended. You've come at it from an intentional angle and are busy creating strawmen out of my words just to make a point. That's fine but it's not really a discussion.

Edited August 11, 2022 by spideysensei

[Macnamara]

21 hours ago, spideysensei said:

 

I've taken your initial post to be more philosophical than was intended. You've come at it from an intentional angle and are busy creating strawmen out of my words just to make a point. That's fine but it's not really a discussion.

 

i was responding to your following point:

 

On 8/11/2022 at 11:21 AM, spideysensei said:

Can one be in a good state without knowing a truth? I don't see why not, a hermit might not know much but they may be in a pretty good state of emotional health.

 

i don't think that anyone is going to have the option of being a hermit anymore due to the 'great reset' as the elites push forward the social engineering go hit their target date of 2030

[killing raven sun]

On 6/5/2022 at 8:00 PM, tommydrifter said:

~

 

THERE IS NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT YOU ARE FEELING AND YOUR FREQUENCY.
YOU MAY HAVE A HIGH FREQUENCY AND FEEL BAD. YOU MAY HAVE A LOW FREQUENCY AND FEEL GOOD IN THE MOMENT.
THIS CHART IS BULLSHIT INFORMATION. THIS IS DISINFORMATION!

 

~

 

 

qft

 

Quote

Abraham has described themselves as “a group consciousness from the non-physical dimension” (which helps a lot!). They have also said, “We are that which you are. You are the leading edge of that which we are. We are that which is at the heart of all religions.”

https://www.abraham-hicks.com/about/

 

matt 24:4,5

Quote

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 

 

[spideysensei]

17 hours ago, Macnamara said:

i don't think that anyone is going to have the option of being a hermit anymore due to the 'great reset'

 

But they do have the option of raising their vibrational level /level of being/ emotio-mental health. I made up that last one. It's a hard thing to quantify (as the discussion on this particular chart has proven), but it'd be clearly wrong to say we don't exist at fluctuating levels of health. This is crucial for how we then respond to future events and 'the truth', whatever that may be for us.

[Macnamara]

8 hours ago, spideysensei said:

 

But they do have the option of raising their vibrational level /level of being/ emotio-mental health.

 

i don't think it is something that someone just chooses like an article of clothing that they just put on.

 

Another example of attempting an instant cheat would be to take anti-depressants. People want instant results with no investment and no change. Why do they think the cosmos owes them that?

 

I think the problem is much deeper than that and requires a whole process where a person puts truth at the top of their value system and not just truth but Care.

 

why do we think we are so important that our feeling good is the highest goal and should be pursued before truth and Care? Maybe we should look past ourselves

Edited August 13, 2022 by Macnamara

[Ioulia Pentziki]

The way I look at vibrations are based on conditioned versus innate. Lower vibrational frequencies are conditioned to trap consciousness and serve no other purpose but that, at least in my experience. Allowing lower vibrations to prevail in my experience serves to trap the consciousness to on lower levels and deceiving the feelers in believing it is their creation. Innate frequencies are natural states not conditioned by the enemies of humanity. 

[Ioulia Pentziki]

The way I look at vibrations are based on conditioned versus innate. Lower vibrational frequencies are conditioned to trap consciousness and serve no other purpose but that, at least in my experience. Allowing lower vibrations to prevail in my experience, trap the consciousness on lower levels and deceive the feelers in believing that these frequencies are their creation. Innate frequencies are natural states and when you resonate you feel good, meaning you are aligned with who you innately are. Allowing lower vibrational frequencies to occupy consciousness is useless and at worst  destructive. So, no, I won't allow my self to accept useless, destructive frequencies just because they exist. Let someone else became a channeled instrument  for the anti-human agenda!

So, feeling good means you are aligned with your true self

Feeling bad means you are aligned with a conditioned self that does not quite fit....

[Ioulia Pentziki]

22 hours ago, Ioulia Pentziki said:

The way I look at vibrations is based on conditioned versus innate. Lower vibrational frequencies are conditioned to trap consciousness and serve no other purpose but that, at least in my experience. Allowing lower vibrations to prevail in my experience, trap the consciousness on lower levels and deceive the feelers in believing that these frequencies are their creation. Innate frequencies are natural states and when you resonate you feel good, meaning you are aligned with who you innately are. Allowing lower vibrational frequencies to occupy consciousness is useless and at worst  destructive. So, no, I won't allow my self to accept useless, destructive frequencies just because they exist. Let someone else became a channeled instrument  for the anti-human agenda!

So, feeling good means you are aligned with your true self

Feeling bad means you are aligned with a conditioned self that does not quite fit....

 

[DaleP]

The image in my original seems to have been removed so here is a better one.

[DaleP]

Quote

"Great teachings uplift the masses and raise the level of awareness of all of humanity. To have such vision is called grace, and the gift it brings is infinite peace, described as indefinable, beyond words." - William James, The Varieties of Religious Experience

 

There is a change of trend starting in 2023. It used to be Kumbaya...."Let's do it together everyone" but this is outdated.

From now on, a person stands on his own, do his own thing. And when that person does what he thinks not right but fun, people catches on.

Don't be waiting for people to come join you. Blow your own trumpet.

 

Obviously, you would fluctuate up or down but you tend to settle at a general level.

 

The above map is taken from the content of "Power vs Force" by David R Hawkins. If you are interested in expounded version, go and read "The Map of Consciousness Explained" by the same author.

Edited January 1 by DaleP

[Mr H]

Well I was a 9 or 10, but I had and still have so much anger about the covid stuff and it made me lose faith in people dragged me right down to the 6-7 level. Will try and rectify in the year.

[DaleP]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Well I was a 9 or 10, but I had and still have so much anger about the covid stuff and it made me lose faith in people dragged me right down to the 6-7 level. Will try and rectify in the year.

 

Thanks for your honesty. I would have thought that you were much higher.

Surely it does not have to take that long to rectify?

It would be of tall order to ask masses but we need people like you to change the mood almost instantaneously. There are many tools.

The thing is....if you raise your vibration, really interesting things happen e.g. inspiration keeps dropping i.e. downloads, pain goes away, feels good all the time etc... Basically, there are many advantages.

Edited January 2 by DaleP

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

Thanks for your honesty. I would have thought that you were much higher.

Surely it does not have to take that long to rectify?

It would be of tall order to ask masses but we need people like you to change the mood almost instantaneously. There are many tools.

The thing is....if you raise your vibration, really interesting things happen e.g. inspiration keeps dropping i.e. downloads, pain goes away, feels good all the time etc... Basically, there are many advantages.

Yes i will be doing that Dale and move back up the scale.

 

The evil that went on though really chilled me to the bones. I still find it difficult to comprehend but have to process it and move on and fight the evil whenever practical not let it engulf me.

[bamboozooka]

everyone here has jumped off the postage stamp so that must make everyone at least at willingness and acceptance

[DaleP]

23 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Yes i will be doing that Dale and move back up the scale.

 

The evil that went on though really chilled me to the bones. I still find it difficult to comprehend but have to process it and move on and fight the evil whenever practical not let it engulf me.

 

I know but it is a test. They want you on the same level as them. Be thankful for this trick.

 

One example,

Here is really simple way to change your vibration taught by one of my teachers who is at level 2 or even 1 for all I know.

If you are not happy, grateful for what you have (e.g. possession or situation), stop breathing just for 1 minute. You will be so glad, happy, grateful that you can breath afterwards. It is that simple to change your vibration, no need to wait for months.

 

But once you get the hang of it, you have so many things to be grateful about in a day.

Edited January 2 by DaleP