Have homophobia and misogyny been defeated?

[Macnamara]

5 hours ago, Edgewood said:

One day, at this rate, paedophilia will become just another 'sexual orientation' and again....we will be the 'haters' for daring to voice intolerance between a consensual relationship between a man and a child....

 

that is the exact planned for destination of the LGBT agenda

 

it might not be what grass roots members of that movement think is the destination of their movement but it IS the aimed for destination of the elites who are actually steering it

[Beaujangles]

25 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

that is the exact planned for destination of the LGBT agenda

 

it might not be what grass roots members of that movement think is the destination of their movement but it IS the aimed for destination of the elites who are actually steering it

 

Is there a link for this?

[Ethel]

On 5/22/2022 at 1:32 PM, Gnostic Christian said:

Have homophobia and misogyny been defeated?

 

Laws that promote equality are the basic staple of most progressive elected governments these days.

 

Those laws and the modernization, and civilizing of most religions, have helped reduce misogyny and homophobia as most recognize that those are negative discriminations without a just causes.

 

I see almost no one advocating for homophobia or misogyny in any of the sites I frequent.

 

Are we all getting more civilized?

 

Or is shame keeping homophobes and the misogynous in hiding?

 

Regards

DL

 

They haven't gone, they've mostly just become unconscious. The PTB go through various different groups of people in society, temporarily placing that group in a media spotlight and telling everyone else that they "must" respect, if not revere, that group, and because of enculturation, most people will fall in line with it because most human beings dislike the emotion of shame. Our society, demands fake enlightenment because it's a fake society and because real enlightenment takes hard work.

 

The acceptance is not genuine, it is fake, like a child dressing up in Mummy and Daddy's clothing. True acceptance of others requires hard, gritty, shadow work and facing things about yourself that may sometimes leave you feeling like less of a person. Most people haven't got the guts for it. We are all prejudiced. 

 

So to address your question again: misogyny and homophobia are still alive and well. They didn't disappear; people just relegated them to an already considerable collective unconscious. 

[Ethel]

On 5/23/2022 at 4:27 PM, Edgewood said:

 

Certain people are now saying 'why all this negativity around children being allowed to have medical intervention to 'change' their gender'.

 

And we are the 'haters' for having a problem with this.

 

This has become the new-normal.

 

One day, at this rate, paedophilia will become just another 'sexual orientation' and again....we will be the 'haters' for daring to voice intolerance between a consensual relationship between a man and a child....

 

If you can't see where things are heading.....and how they got there......... I don't know...but it's clear to me this course has been plotted from at least the 1950's....all in the name of 'tolerance' and the bogey man of 'hate-speech' which really means common sense these days.

 

 

 

It's always unfortunate when people lump paedophilia in with things like homosexuality; given that one involves sex between two consenting adults and the other involves non-consensual sexual contact towards a child. There isn't just a distinction; there's a gargantuan great chasm between the two things.

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, Ethel said:

 

It's always unfortunate when people lump paedophilia in with things like homosexuality; given that one involves sex between two consenting adults and the other involves non-consensual sexual contact towards a child. There isn't just a distinction; there's a gargantuan great chasm between the two things.

 

I don't think he is lumping one in with the other

 

The elites don't care about gay people or trans people

 

The elites are not advancing these things because they care about regular gay or trans people. Once you understand this you can then look again at the situation from a more detached and objective perspective and ask yourself ''ok, so WHY are they pushing all this stuff down on society from the top down?''

 

And i'm saying that it is about socially engineering society to a point where anything goes. At its core it has nothing to do with making anything better for gay or trans people.

[Macnamara]

20 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

Is there a link for this?

 

The jewish, marxist frankfurt school that was helped by the rockefellers to move into the US and get teaching positions in US universities mixed freudianism and marxism. Herbert Marcuese links the frankfurt school and the New Left

 

Before Marceuse however was wilhelm reich an original frankfurt school member. He started a sex-pol movement in vienna in the 1920's that was a forerunner of the pro-abortion, pro-gay and marxist feminist movements of the 1960's and 70's. He wanted to tie these matters into the wider communist revolutionary movement. To achieve this he created GAPSP (German association for proletarian sex-politics) of which he was then the director. GASPS advocated things like teachers teaching sex education, treatment rather than punishment for sexual offences and free abortions at clinics.

 

In 1932 he addressed a youth conference in dresden in which he issued a resolution: 'strongly endorsing adolescent sexuality within the framework of the revolutionary movement'.

 

Reich was funded by the rockefellers and his efforts then led onto kinsey's work in the US who was also funded by the rockefllers to set about trying to undermine traditional concepts of the family and sexual morality

Edited May 24, 2022 by Macnamara

[Beaujangles]

18 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The jewish, marxist frankfurt school that was helped by the rockefellers to move into the US and get teaching positions in US universities mixed freudianism and marxism. Herbert Marcuese links the frankfurt school and the New Left

 

Before Marceuse however was wilhelm reich an original frankfurt school member. He started a sex-pol movement in vienna in the 1920's that was a forerunner of the pro-abortion, pro-gay and marxist feminist movements of the 1960's and 70's. He wanted to tie these matters into the wider communist revolutionary movement. To achieve this he created GAPSP (German association for proletarian sex-politics) of which he was then the director. GASPS advocated things like teachers teaching sex education, treatment rather than punishment for sexual offences and free abortions at clinics.

 

In 1932 he addressed a youth conference in dresden in which he issued a resolution: 'strongly endorsing adolescent sexuality within the framework of the revolutionary movement'.

 

Reich was funded by the rockefellers and his efforts then led onto kinsey's work in the US who was also funded by the rockefllers to set about trying to undermine traditional concepts of the family and sexual morality

 

Thanks for that... I was asking for a link to it so I could take a look - is there one?

Found this...may touch on the sexuality side of it. Havent read it all yet... but in case someone else wants to read it: 

 

 

www.tinyurl.com/5n634vt2

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

Thanks for that... I was asking for a link to it so I could take a look - is there one?

 

There are so many aspects you could look at for example wilhelm reich wrote a book 'the sexual revolution'

 

This from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution

 

Formation

Indicators of non-traditional sexual behavior (e.g., gonorrhea incidence, births out of wedlock, and births to teenagers) began to rise dramatically in the mid to late 1950s.^[12] It brought about profound shifts in attitudes^[whose?] toward women's sexuality, homosexuality, pre-marital sexuality, and the freedom of sexual expression.^[12]

Psychologists and scientists such as Wilhelm Reich and Alfred Kinsey influenced the changes.^[13][14] As well, changing mores were both stimulated by and reflected in literature and films, and by the social movements of the period, including the counterculture, the women's movement, and the gay rights movement.^[15] The counterculture contributed to the awareness of radical cultural change that was the social matrix of the sexual revolution.^{[15][better source needed]}

The sexual revolution was initiated by those who shared a belief in the detrimental impact of sexual repression, a view that had previously been argued by Wilhelm Reich, D. H. Lawrence, Sigmund Freud, and the Surrealist movement.^{[citation needed]}

The counterculture wanted to explore the body and mind, and free the personal self from the moral and legal sexual confines of modern America, as well as from the 1940s–50s morals in general.^[16] The sexual revolution of the 1960s grew from a conviction that the erotic should be celebrated as a normal part of life and not repressed by family, industrialized sexual morality, religion and the state.^[17]

The development of the birth control pill in 1960 gave women access to easy and reliable contraception.^[18] Another likely cause was a vast improvement in obstetrics, greatly reducing the number of women who died due to childbearing, thus increasing the life expectancy of women. A third, more indirect cause was the large number of children born in the 1940s and early 1950s all over the western world—the "Baby Boom Generation"—many of whom would grow up in relatively prosperous and safe conditions, within a middle class on the rise and with better access to education and entertainment than ever before. By their demographic weight and their social and educational background, they came to trigger a shift in society towards more permissive and informalized attitudes.

The discovery of penicillin led to significant reductions in syphilis mortality, which, in turn, spurred an increase in non-traditional sex during the mid to late 1950s.^[12][19]

There was an increase in sexual encounters between unmarried adults.^[20] Divorce rates were dramatically increasing and marriage rates were significantly decreasing in this time period. The number of unmarried Americans aged twenty to twenty-four more than doubled from 4.3 million in 1960 to 9.7 million in 1976.^[21] Men and women sought to reshape marriage by instilling new institutions of open marriage, mate swapping, swinging, and communal sex.^[15]

[Macnamara]

21 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 the elites who are actually steering it

 

The new left which introduced all this woke stuff and sexual politics and 'battle of the sexes' and 'political correctness' etc has hijacked the left which used to be about workers rights....ALL workers regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation or gender

 

If the old left talked about 'equality' the new left talks about 'equity' which is basically favouring one group over another for example they will deem one group to be 'oppressed' and therefore entitled to privileges. This means that by default ALL black people are 'oppressed' even if they are a famous millionaire, they are still 'oppressed' whilst a poor white person living in a sink estate is automatically the 'oppressor': that's EQUITY

 

The new left came out of the IPS (institute for policy studies) that was funded by james warburg and steered  by people involved in the rockefeller foundation. The warburgs are one of the banking families who created the federal reserve central bank as well as, ironically, helping to build the nazi war machine.

 

That cabal of bankers including the rothschilds, rockefellers and warburgs funded the bolsheviks and then the nazis and put the world on the path to the second world war. Then they brought about the sexual revolution and occaisionally we get glimpses of where it is all supposed to lead eg the support for PIE by certain british political figures

[Beaujangles]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

The new left which introduced all this woke stuff and sexual politics and 'battle of the sexes' and 'political correctness' etc has hijacked the left which used to be about workers rights....ALL workers regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation or gender

 

If the old left talked about 'equality' the new left talks about 'equity' which is basically favouring one group over another for example they will deem one group to be 'oppressed' and therefore entitled to privileges. This means that by default ALL black people are 'oppressed' even if they are a famous millionaire, they are still 'oppressed' whilst a poor white person living in a sink estate is automatically the 'oppressor': that's EQUITY

 

The new left came out of the IPS (institute for policy studies) that was funded by james warburg and steered  by people involved in the rockefeller foundation. The warburgs are one of the banking families who created the federal reserve central bank as well as, ironically, helping to build the nazi war machine.

 

That cabal of bankers including the rothschilds, rockefellers and warburgs funded the bolsheviks and then the nazis and put the world on the path to the second world war. Then they brought about the sexual revolution and occaisionally we get glimpses of where it is all supposed to lead eg the support for PIE by certain british political figures

 

Would it be possible to share a link or two from where you get the info? I''d really like to have a look. Thank you for your most welcome synopses.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Beaujangles said:

Would it be possible to share a link or two from where you get the info? I''d really like to have a look. Thank you for your most welcome synopses.

 

two interesting exercises are to

 

a) look at the wikipedia page for the council on foreign relations of which david rockefeller was the chairman and then look at the list of their corporate members to get a feel for who this corporate network is. This then helps to understand why all the corporate advertising and programming is so woke:

 

b) scan down the lists of groups funded by george soros (another rothschild-cabal member) to see how they are boosting certain things as part of a wider push (agenda) to socially engineer society: https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/george-soros

 

You could also look up the IPS and its founder richard barnet and how he was an aide to john mccloy who was a chairman of the chase manhatten bank which is a rockefeller owned bank that is one of the cartel of banks that makes up the federal reserve

[Mr H]

My personal opinion is that people should be free to hate anybody for whatever reason they want to. People hate folks for supporting Man City when you are a Man UTd fan, for having too much money, for all sorts. I don't see why 1 reason for hatred should be any better than any other. To me they're all a bit silly and in extreme cases lead to injury or death. If you push them underneath the surface and don't allow it to be expressed, normally makes the hatred worse. Shaming also doesn't work in my experience although it may appear to, it just pushes it below the surface because people don't enjoy being shamed because it remind them of childhood, but it's still there. Only way things go away, is through truth and understanding (to stand under someone).

[Mr H]

I also think putting hate into separate categories builds tremendous industries around them, political power and additional division. I would just prefer everything to be called "hatism" or something like this. Any hate is equally silly. 

 

EDIT: and when there is money and political power to gain, then there is interest to continue on with that particular hate. 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Mr H

[Macnamara]

On 5/24/2022 at 9:06 PM, Mr H said:

My personal opinion is that people should be free to hate anybody for whatever reason they want to.

 

this has nothing to do with hate. The elites want to pretent its about 'hate' because they don't want anyone discussing what they are doing

 

saying this is about 'hate' is like saying that not wanting to take their covid jabs is 'anti-science'

 

they just don't want you talking about their various agendas. They don't want people to see how it all connects up and where it all leads

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/22/2022 at 5:49 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

Making something a law don't make it right. And the illusion of progressive, elected governments can take a hike as well.  

 

Censorship and cancel culture do their best to remove all signs of whatever is deemed to be against the elite agenda. Can't have people speaking their minds anymore. Shame doesn't come into it. There are plenty who still think those ways, but they aren't allowed to say it (and if they do, it gets deleted and/or they get in trouble with the authorities).

 

You're not seeing the picture clearly.

Your last is likely correct and I see poorly.

 

No one will sensor you hare, so please, provide an argument for what is the right wing view, if I can call it that.

 

Let us both speak our minds and show each other how to have a productive engagement with the other side.

 

I sense that you might have what it takes. We might be the few.

 

What is the just cause you see to discriminate against gays or women?

 

Regards

DL

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Gnostic Christian

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/22/2022 at 5:49 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

And the illusion of progressive, elected governments can take a hike as well.  

Replace it with what?

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 7:01 AM, XelNaga said:

Exactly brother, it's crazy what they are doing, in a world where we all have a right to "free speech".

 

I don't use any social networks, except for youtube. Even there I don't post any content, just comment from time to time.

 

Anyway, when morona "virus" started, and all this lgbt/woke/leftist BS, I am constantly banned, only for posting truth and facts.

 

They ban me, I make a new account, etc., and I have had 7-8 accounts banned in a couple of months.

 

And I haven't used foul language. Ridiculous world we live in.

 

I can only imagine how much worse it is on twitter and facebook.

 

 

Been there buddy.

 

What kind of content gets you axed?

 

Mine is when I try to get immoral Christians to talk morals.

 

Regards

DL

 

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:00 AM, Bombadil said:

Terms and Conditions – David Icke

 

Okay. Whilst we all have very strong views on certain topics, there is a right way and wrong way to discuss it.

 

As clearly stated in the above link it is not ok to post in a manner that:

• is abusive, pornographic, defamatory, discriminatory or obscene

Whilst this Forum is a free speech platform, and I agree whole heartedly that it should always be so, it is still subject to the law.

 

The language of the debate above is not acceptable as it could put the forum in a bad legal predicament. If you don't approve of homosexuality, or anything else for that matter, can you comment in a sensible manner.

 

I don't want to remove posts or warn members but if I have to I will

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

Please be gentle with the axe, and remember that ultimately, each poster is the one who will answer, if needs be, to any real live authority.

 

If that is not true, then mankind is already over.

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:18 AM, Youknownothingbutyou said:

what the hell did i just read.

 

 all this negativity around other sexual orientation. why? are you gay? while i understand some of your points, cant you see how sick and twisted you sound

 

this is such a profundly wrong post im shocked.

 

 

I am shocked that your critique does not include an argument against.

 

If this is your best for or communication, go away cause you be looking like a looser.

 

Regards

DL

[Youknownothingbutyou]

24 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

I am shocked that your critique does not include an argument against.

 

If this is your best for or communication, go away cause you be looking like a looser.

 

Regards

DL

Go suck a dick

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:21 AM, XelNaga said:

If by "old ways" you mean some of the violent ones that you have described above, than of course not.

 

There were some people in the recent past who were successfully treated.

 

My best bet would be psycotherapy (sinse it is a mental illness), or perhaps hormone therapy.

 

Anyway, it should be treated, not celebrated or promoted in disgusting ways as is done now.

 

Don't you see that numbers of people suffering from this disorder is significantly increased in recent times, due to promotion, celebration and brain-washing of children?

Why, if nurture is what makes a child gay, do we punish them, instead of the real culprits, that being whoever is doing the nurturing.

 

Homophobes victimize a victim.

 

That goes with putting sex above love, I guess, and homophobes are to be pitied for their immoral thinking.

 

Love should always be put above sex and gender. Right?

 

Regards

DL

 

 

[Gnostic Christian]

3 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

Go suck a dick

I leave that to your ilk.

 

Nice argument, loser.

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:38 AM, Beaujangles said:

I think everybody has the right to their way of thinking... but always we need to be respectful of people no matter what our personal thoughts.

I like much of your pro equality type of thinking, but to follow your words quoted would be forgetting that, ---- for evil to grow, all good people need do is be respectful of evil tenets and people.

 

If you cannot discredit or denounce homophobes and their thinking, you are on their side.

 

Your type of thinking is why so called good Christians adore a genocidal prick of a God who promotes that some souls he created for us to hate.

 

Yahweh and Jesus belong in hell.

 

Regards

DL

 

 

 

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:46 AM, pi3141 said:

 

I'm out!

 

Throw my hand, its not my fight anyway.

It is everyone's fight buddy.

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

On 5/23/2022 at 11:54 AM, XelNaga said:

Whatever anyone says, it is damaging to our children to teach them what the system is teaching them now.

Let me agree as a devil's advocate.

 

Why them, if the system is to blame, are we using laws to punish the indoctrinated children instead of the system?

 

Rather a strange justice. Right?

 

Regards

DL