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Have homophobia and misogyny been defeated?

 

Laws that promote equality are the basic staple of most progressive elected governments these days.

 

Those laws and the modernization, and civilizing of most religions, have helped reduce misogyny and homophobia as most recognize that those are negative discriminations without a just causes.

 

I see almost no one advocating for homophobia or misogyny in any of the sites I frequent.

 

Are we all getting more civilized?

 

Or is shame keeping homophobes and the misogynous in hiding?

 

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Making something a law don't make it right. And the illusion of progressive, elected governments can take a hike as well.  

 

Censorship and cancel culture do their best to remove all signs of whatever is deemed to be against the elite agenda. Can't have people speaking their minds anymore. Shame doesn't come into it. There are plenty who still think those ways, but they aren't allowed to say it (and if they do, it gets deleted and/or they get in trouble with the authorities).

 

You're not seeing the picture clearly.

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There is no such thing as "homophobia". That would mean that normal/healthy people are afraid of gay people, which is nonsense.

 

Normal/healthy people simply dislike, and some are disgusted, by perversion and mistakes of nature which are now glorified.

 

Everything that is in any way connected to lgbt is a mistake / disease (rather disgusting one), which requires treatment, not promotion.

 

They are free to do whatever they want behind closed doors, but doing what they do in public is a clear sign that some form of evil is running this planet.

 

"Misogyny" is also a rather stupid "concept" to be perceived as a global phenomenon, as it includes hatred towards all women. Number of men that are like that is minuscule.

 

There are men who view women as lesser creatures, but they are imbeciles. Those ideas come from abrahamic religions.

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13 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Making something a law don't make it right. And the illusion of progressive, elected governments can take a hike as well.  

 

Censorship and cancel culture do their best to remove all signs of whatever is deemed to be against the elite agenda. Can't have people speaking their minds anymore. Shame doesn't come into it. There are plenty who still think those ways, but they aren't allowed to say it (and if they do, it gets deleted and/or they get in trouble with the authorities).

 

You're not seeing the picture clearly.

Exactly brother, it's crazy what they are doing, in a world where we all have a right to "free speech".

 

I don't use any social networks, except for youtube. Even there I don't post any content, just comment from time to time.

 

Anyway, when morona "virus" started, and all this lgbt/woke/leftist BS, I am constantly banned, only for posting truth and facts.

 

They ban me, I make a new account, etc., and I have had 7-8 accounts banned in a couple of months.

 

And I haven't used foul language. Ridiculous world we live in.

 

I can only imagine how much worse it is on twitter and facebook.

 

 

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3 hours ago, XelNaga said:

Normal/healthy people simply dislike, and some are disgusted, by perversion and mistakes of nature which are now glorified.

 

Everything that is in any way connected to lgbt is a mistake / disease (rather disgusting one), which requires treatment, not promotion.

 

Interesting.

 

What treatment do you suggest to correct natures mistakes?

 

So far we've tried throwing them off rooftops as ISIS have very publicly done, we've tried locking them up, electro-shock, castration and drugs as well as hypnosis and a shed load of psycotherapy. Then there's religious indoctrination. For the Nazi's there was euthenasia. They've tried Lobotomy too.

 

Nothing seems to correct 'natures mistakes' so what do you reccomend?

 

Or should we revisit the old ways again just to be certain they didn't work.

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Terms and Conditions – David Icke

 

Okay. Whilst we all have very strong views on certain topics, there is a right way and wrong way to discuss it.

 

As clearly stated in the above link it is not ok to post in a manner that:

  • is abusive, pornographic, defamatory, discriminatory or obscene

Whilst this Forum is a free speech platform, and I agree whole heartedly that it should always be so, it is still subject to the law.

 

The language of the debate above is not acceptable as it could put the forum in a bad legal predicament. If you don't approve of homosexuality, or anything else for that matter, can you comment in a sensible manner.

 

I don't want to remove posts or warn members but if I have to I will

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Terms and Conditions – David Icke

 

Okay. Whilst we all have very strong views on certain topics, there is a right way and wrong way to discuss it.

 

As clearly stated in the above link it is not ok to post in a manner that:

  • is abusive, pornographic, defamatory, discriminatory or obscene

Whilst this Forum is a free speech platform, and I agree whole heartedly that it should always be so, it is still subject to the law.

 

The language of the debate above is not acceptable as it could put the forum in a bad legal predicament. If you don't approve of homosexuality, or anything else for that matter, can you comment in a sensible manner.

 

I don't want to remove posts or warn members but if I have to I will

 

 

 

this from the same link makes it even clearer:

 

FORUM AND COMMUNICATIONS GUIDELINES

These guidelines are in addition to our our “Rules and Etiquette” which you can read by clicking here. The Forum is a very popular feature of the site and although the team strongly believes in allowing the community that has formed around the site to grow and develop in its own way, there are a few simple rules, regulations and procedures you should be aware of when posting. Most posts will probably never run foul of these anyway, but we’re quite serious about them nonetheless. We are not responsible for comments posted on all sites by our readers. We will however attempt to remove or edit posts which are deemed to contain racist or homophobic remarks, personal abuse, libel, copyrighted material, excessive swearing, references to illegal activities and requests for CD keys or pirated software. 

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1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

 

Interesting.

 

What treatment do you suggest to correct natures mistakes?

 

So far we've tried throwing them off rooftops as ISIS have very publicly done, we've tried locking them up, electro-shock, castration and drugs as well as hypnosis and a shed load of psycotherapy. Then there's religious indoctrination. For the Nazi's there was euthenasia. They've tried Lobotomy too.

 

Nothing seems to correct 'natures mistakes' so what do you reccomend?

 

Or should we revisit the old ways again just to be certain they didn't work.

If by "old ways" you mean some of the violent ones that you have described above, than of course not.

 

There were some people in the recent past who were successfully treated.

 

My best bet would be psycotherapy (sinse it is a mental illness), or perhaps hormone therapy.

 

Anyway, it should be treated, not celebrated or promoted in disgusting ways as is done now.

 

Don't you see that numbers of people suffering from this disorder is significantly increased in recent times, due to promotion, celebration and brain-washing of children?

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4 minutes ago, XelNaga said:

If by "old ways" you mean some of the violent ones that you have described above, than of course not.

 

There were some people in the recent past who were successfully treated.

 

My best bet would be psycotherapy (sinse it is a mental illness), or perhaps hormone therapy.

 

Anyway, it should be treated, not celebrated or promoted in disgusting ways as is done now.

 

Don't you see that numbers of people suffering from this disorder is significantly increased in recent times, due to promotion, celebration and brain-washing of children?

 

I think everybody has the right to their way of thinking... but always we need to be respectful of people no matter what our personal thoughts.

 

Some may believe is is a disorder, thats their prerogative...  maybe it is simply a difference. 

 

I do agree that there appear to be more homosexuals and lesbians these days. I have two nieces (they are sisters) who are both gay. It is not hereditary in this case... so to keep this topic in the bounds of acceptability I think it would be advantageous to maybe post what may be causing the increase rather than suggest it is a mental illness, which is not the case in my personal opinion. I also worked in an AIDS hospice where I had the privilege to discuss many things with people who were gay. I learned a lot... none moreso than people are people, they have a right to be here no matter what others think. They feel, they cry, they love, they care and I learned much from them all - I watched some of them die and it hurt my soul the same way all loss should.

 

I think you make a valid point re the promotion of gender issues in schools and media. 

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1 minute ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I think everybody has the right to their way of thinking... but always we need to be respectful of people no matter what our personal thoughts.

 

Some may believe is is a disorder, thats their prerogative...  maybe it is simply a difference. 

 

I do agree that there appear to be more homosexuals and lesbians these days. I have two nieces (they are sisters) who are both gay. It is not hereditary in this case... so to keep this topic in the bounds of acceptability I think it would be advantageous to maybe post what may be causing the increase rather than suggest it is a mental illness, which is not the case in my personal opinion. I also worked in an AIDS hospice where I had the privilege to discuss many things with people who were gay. I learned a lot... none moreso than people are people, they have a right to be here no matter what others think. They feel, they cry, they love, they care and I learned much from them all - I watched some of them die and it hurt my soul the same way all loss should.

 

I think you make a valid point re the promotion of gender issues in schools and media. 

Nice comment @Beaujangles. As I explained to the members here before. Having an opinion is not an issue. They just need to keep within the Forum Rules and Guidelines that we all have to follow

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Just now, XelNaga said:

If by "old ways" you mean some of the violent ones that you have described above, than of course not.

 

There were some people in the recent past who were successfully treated.

 

My best bet would be psycotherapy (sinse it is a mental illness), or perhaps hormone therapy.

 

Anyway, it should be treated, not celebrated or promoted in disgusting ways as is done now.

 

Don't you see that numbers of people suffering from this disorder is significantly increased in recent times, due to promotion, celebration and brain-washing of children?

 

I don't see it as a disorder or mental illness and I don't believe it stems from child abuse, I see it as a part of nature.

 

To me, its on the 'Spectrum' of human behaviour, you have artistic people, emotional people, factual people, cold people, the human experience is a spectrum and nature fills that spectrum.

 

Why? I don't know and I don't judge.

 

RE the increase in recent times - my 12 year old daughter asked me if I would mind if she had a girlfriend (proper girlfriend, not just a friend who's a girl) I laughed and said I don't mind at all, fill your boots (probably a normal reaction from a male, hetrosexual father) My wife laughed, my daughter didn't get the joke. Now, 3 weeks later, she's straight again. I think it was just shock value. Should I have reacted differently? If I had got angry and forbade her to seek a girlfriend, do you not think it may have backfired on me?

 

Now, do I think the promotion of this lifestyle affected her? Yes probably. She's more aware that some people are different. Am I concerned she will be brainwashed into being gay? No - when it comes down to it, most people won't do whats unatural or repulsive to them. If she kissed a girl and didn't like it - good, she's learnt about herself. If she kissed a girl and liked it - ok, she's discovered herself. Either way, its her life and she can do whats right for her. 

 

I do not believe exposure to a lifestyle neccessarily encourages it.

 

I was exposed to Christianity as a child but I rejected it.

 

My son has inherited my daughters wardrobe and drawers - they are Pink, do I think making him use a pink wardrobe will feminize him? No. I see no evidence but we do plan to paint the doors as he's getting older now and will become aware.

 

You can't 'make' people gay and you can't unmake people that are gay. But people do change sometimes.

 

Either God made them gay or Nature did, you cannot correct what you see as mistakes, they are not mistakes they are a part of life.

 

Its just an experience, enjoy yours and try not to judge others.

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11 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

OKAY. I THINK THERE MAY BE A SMALL MISUNDERSTANDING HERE.

CAN YOU ALL PLEASE RESPECT THE FORUM GUIDELINES PLEASE

 

 

I'm out!

 

Throw my hand, its not my fight anyway.

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2 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

I'm out!

 

Throw my hand, its not my fight anyway.

You've got no problem. Some other posts were just a bit too honest.😁😁

My daughter is going through a similar life curve as yours at the moment. Trust me I get it

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5 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I think everybody has the right to their way of thinking... but always we need to be respectful of people no matter what our personal thoughts.

 

Some may believe is is a disorder, thats their prerogative...  maybe it is simply a difference. 

 

I do agree that there appear to be more homosexuals and lesbians these days. I have two nieces (they are sisters) who are both gay. It is not hereditary in this case... so to keep this topic in the bounds of acceptability I think it would be advantageous to maybe post what may be causing the increase rather than suggest it is a mental illness, which is not the case in my personal opinion. I also worked in an AIDS hospice where I had the privilege to discuss many things with people who were gay. I learned a lot... none moreso than people are people, they have a right to be here no matter what others think. They feel, they cry, they love, they care and I learned much from them all - I watched some of them die and it hurt my soul the same way all loss should.

 

I think you make a valid point re the promotion of gender issues in schools and media. 

Hi Beaujangles,

 

Perhaps I have expressed myself in the wrong way, which was pointed out to me.

 

I have no hate for gay people, just a strong dislike for normalisation, and even promotion and glorification, of something that is clearly not good for the society as a whole.

 

That is why I said they can do whatever they want behind closed doors, but not in public. That is just my opinion.

 

I mean, God damn, now they even say that paedophilia is also a valid choice. Disgusting. Some countries are thinking of making beastiality legal, with animals consent. Fucking crazy world. Where we draw the line here?

 

Whatever anyone says, it is damaging to our children to teach them what the system is teaching them now. In that, besides all the lgbt things they are taught, I would include modern "feminism", everything that has to do with "toxic masculinity", and all other perversions in media and movies (such as excessive violence and sexuality).

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5 minutes ago, XelNaga said:

Hi Beaujangles,

 

Perhaps I have expressed myself in the wrong way, which was pointed out to me.

 

I have no hate for gay people, just a strong dislike for normalisation, and even promotion and glorification, of something that is clearly not good for the society as a whole.

 

That is why I said they can do whatever they want behind closed doors, but not in public. That is just my opinion.

 

I mean, God damn, now they even say that paedophilia is also a valid choice. Disgusting. Some countries are thinking of making beastiality legal, with animals consent. Fucking crazy world. Where we draw the line here?

 

Whatever anyone says, it is damaging to our children to teach them what the system is teaching them now. In that, besides all the lgbt things they are taught, I would include modern "feminism", everything that has to do with "toxic masculinity", and all other perversions in media and movies (such as excessive violence and sexuality).

I agree as well that promotion of things such as paedophilia and bestiality are pretty fucked up. Unfortunately the spoiled woke brats are in charge and our masters love it

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25 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

I don't see it as a disorder or mental illness and I don't believe it stems from child abuse, I see it as a part of nature.

 

To me, its on the 'Spectrum' of human behaviour, you have artistic people, emotional people, factual people, cold people, the human experience is a spectrum and nature fills that spectrum.

 

Why? I don't know and I don't judge.

 

RE the increase in recent times - my 12 year old daughter asked me if I would mind if she had a girlfriend (proper girlfriend, not just a friend who's a girl) I laughed and said I don't mind at all, fill your boots (probably a normal reaction from a male, hetrosexual father) My wife laughed, my daughter didn't get the joke. Now, 3 weeks later, she's straight again. I think it was just shock value. Should I have reacted differently? If I had got angry and forbade her to seek a girlfriend, do you not think it may have backfired on me?

 

Now, do I think the promotion of this lifestyle affected her? Yes probably. She's more aware that some people are different. Am I concerned she will be brainwashed into being gay? No - when it comes down to it, most people won't do whats unatural or repulsive to them. If she kissed a girl and didn't like it - good, she's learnt about herself. If she kissed a girl and liked it - ok, she's discovered herself. Either way, its her life and she can do whats right for her. 

 

I do not believe exposure to a lifestyle neccessarily encourages it.

 

I was exposed to Christianity as a child but I rejected it.

 

My son has inherited my daughters wardrobe and drawers - they are Pink, do I think making him use a pink wardrobe will feminize him? No. I see no evidence but we do plan to paint the doors as he's getting older now and will become aware.

 

You can't 'make' people gay and you can't unmake people that are gay. But people do change sometimes.

 

Either God made them gay or Nature did, you cannot correct what you see as mistakes, they are not mistakes they are a part of life.

 

Its just an experience, enjoy yours and try not to judge others.

 

Thanks for the interesting post.

 

I think in terms of the child abuse factor - some of the homosexuals I worked with at the AIDS hospice had been raped as children by older men seeking pleasure at the childs expense. This was definitely through child abuse in these situations. The guys I talked to felt their futures were shaped by these experiences and they felt violated and that no-one else would accept them. There's more to their stories but I'll keep them in my heart. But like you I dont judge as we really dont know the why's.

 

Basically in my opinion...regardless who, what or how someone has a seemingly different lifestyle, they have a right to live out their life as they see fit. It is when harming others is at play and that applies to all lifestyles not just specific ones.

 

I agree also, that a pink wardrobe or a pink shirt does not a gay man maketh 🤯... I know a few men who like varying shades of pink...as I like blues.

 

I do think that gay behaviours can be coerced or formed based on experiences. I have witnessed this many times over my lifetime...and due to many factors. But many simply are born with that in their genetic makeup, a seemingly natural occurrence. I have many situations that I could put forth...but for now time is limited.

 

There are also people in 'gay' relationships that do not want to be in one. Thats yet another situation.

 

 

I dont agree with taking such matters to schoolchildren and influencing them. Children should be kept out of agendas.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

I do think that gay behaviours can be coerced or formed based on experiences. 

 

I agree, as can other behaviors be instilled into people while others can be confused, but thats not the norm imo as some people are born gay or bi or otherwise different from the norm, its just nature, trying out the endless possibilities.

 

We can't all be the same, life doesn't work that way.

 

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1 hour ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

what the hell did i just read.

 

 all this negativity around other sexual orientation. why? are you gay? while i understand some of your points, cant you see how sick and twisted you sound

 

this is such a profundly wrong post im shocked.

 

 

 

Certain people are now saying 'why all this negativity around children being allowed to have medical intervention to 'change' their gender'.

 

And we are the 'haters' for having a problem with this.

 

This has become the new-normal.

 

One day, at this rate, paedophilia will become just another 'sexual orientation' and again....we will be the 'haters' for daring to voice intolerance between a consensual relationship between a man and a child....

 

If you can't see where things are heading.....and how they got there......... I don't know...but it's clear to me this course has been plotted from at least the 1950's....all in the name of 'tolerance' and the bogey man of 'hate-speech' which really means common sense these days.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Edgewood said:

 

Certain people are now saying 'why all this negativity around children being allowed to have medical intervention to 'change' their gender'.

 

And we are the 'haters' for having a problem with this.

 

This has become the new-normal.

 

One day, at this rate, paedophilia will become just another 'sexual orientation' and again....we will be the 'haters' for daring to voice intolerance between a consensual relationship between a man and a child....

 

If you can't see where things are heading.....and how they got there......... I don't know...but it's clear to me this course has been plotted from at least the 1950's....all in the name of 'tolerance' and the bogey man of 'hate-speech' which really means common sense these days.

 

 

 

I understand your opinion. Thanks for rephrasing here. 

 

I agree that children should not be caught up in agendas and definitely should not be mutilated at a young age.  I also dont agree that children should be given drugs for the purpose... ( or many other drugs for that matter)

 

I can see where you are going with the paedophilia too... even tho not all paedophiles are of one gender. They come in all 'lifestyles'

 

I do see where it is heading... I also see the censoring of free speech in the world is out of control. People suffering for having a clear honest voice. For example DI has had his YT/Twitter banned etc. Protecting this forum is essential...as it it one of the few places that entertain 'certain' topics...

 

 

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1 hour ago, XelNaga said:

Don't you see that numbers of people suffering from this disorder is significantly increased in recent times, due to promotion, celebration and brain-washing of children?

 

I should say - I am wondering if its the chemicals in plastics, known to be Gender Bender drugs, might be part of the cause of the increase. In which case, treatment in the form of withdrawing these chemicals makes perfect sense.

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Couple of years ago I waa trying to give up smoking, I bought some Champix which is a Nicotine inhibitor.

 

Anyway, I did some research and I read a review from an Ex-Soldier. He was married with kids, he started taking Champix and one night went home with another man. He left his wife and moved in with this bloke he met. 

 

6 months later he came off the drug, realised he wasn't gay and went home to his wife, apparently, thoroughly disgusted with himself.

 

Just an anecdote.

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26 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

Couple of years ago I waa trying to give up smoking, I bought some Champix which is a Nicotine inhibitor.

 

Anyway, I did some research and I read a review from an Ex-Soldier. He was married with kids, he started taking Champix and one night went home with another man. He left his wife and moved in with this bloke he met. 

 

6 months later he came off the drug, realised he wasn't gay and went home to his wife, apparently, thoroughly disgusted with himself.

 

Just an anecdote.

Huh, that is rather interesting, and also quite bizzare. 

 

To me it makes perfect sense that poisoning the body with artificial chemicals (like you mentioned with plastic) will create imbalances in production of our own natural chemicals.

 

On a side note, I have read somewhere that eating to much soy is bad for men, as it increases estrogen production, thus the term "soy-boy" for feminine men.

 

If that can happen by consuming a natures product, who knows what all kinds of hell can happen inside ones body from man-made toxins.

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