Who Built All These & When ?

[Origin]

20 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Quacks on TV often suggest non-humans were responsible for mysterious ancient structures, but I still think it's bigotry of low expectations towards ancient people, for the most part. There are certain symbols and aesthetics that elites don't like, and the conquered are going to have their history told by the victor. Knowledge gets erased, and sometimes by accident. I'm open to the idea of some non-human element though.

Let's just say I am able to know certain contexts where human beings are wrong. What it never was and who built it. It is all in parameters what high cultures can achieve also in an industrial context. Where that knowledge comes from is another matter. Everything serves the same goal that something wants to be found and understood. The increase in higher knowledge in the last 170 years is neither a coincidence nor was it a coincidence with the predecessors. The fact is that we have never really been able to achieve anything on our own, and this also applies to us today.

[EnigmaticWorld]

32 minutes ago, Origin said:

The increase in higher knowledge in the last 170 years is neither a coincidence nor was it a coincidence with the predecessors.

 

Can you elaborate? Surely advancements allow for speedier advancements? Obviously things were going to speed up once we figured out electricity, transistors, the internet, etc.

 

I know there are exceptions like Moore's law for example, but it took us reaching the point of thermal throttling to start thinking of other solutions.

 

32 minutes ago, Origin said:

The fact is that we have never really been able to achieve anything on our own, and this also applies to us today.

 

Obviously not all of our thoughts are our own, but are you telling me that you never had a eureka moment on your own?

Edited May 23, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Can you elaborate? Surely advancements allow for speedier advancements? Obviously things were going to speed up once we figured out electricity, transistors, the internet, etc.

 

I know there are exceptions like Moore's law for example, but it took us reaching the point of thermal throttling to start thinking of other solutions.

 

 

Obviously not all of our thoughts are our own, but are you telling me that you never had a eureka moment on your own?

This is more about mathematical principles that can translate the expression of reality. We see and perceive a misinterpreted reflection of reality. And they are always partial steps that build on each other. It guides everything that has to be discovered but does not interfere in the development of this realm. A eureka moment can only occur when something impossible is reflected as a fact. Is reality perceived correctly and do the same laws of nature exist outside this infinitesimal pocket? All that we think we know has significance only here. That was one of my Eureka moments. Something became visually present and did not agree with what I imagined reality to be. It was my decision to go this path and now I have to face the consequence of having looked into something impossible.

[screamingeagle]

 

Zahi Hawass doesn't belive into radars( well orders are orders after all)

 

Doesn't want to hear the truth because it blows away oficial narative (which is design to hidde and suppres the history of mankind )

[Bombadil]

2 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

 

Zahi Hawass doesn't belive into radars( well orders are orders after all)

 

Doesn't want to hear the truth because it blows away oficial narative (which is design to hidde and suppres the history of mankind )

I’ve never liked Hawass. He’s a dictator of Egyptian history. Maybe when he was younger he was more open. I can’t vouch for that.

On the flip side Hancock does imo do an enormous amount of research. I’ve read all of his books several times plus regular visitor to his site.  I can’t remember an occasion where Hancock claims to be right about anything. He, through massive amounts of research, debates other possibilities. Most which I personally believe have a lot of validity.

The fact that Hancocks work is not considered in open and honest debate says it all.

 

Ive been to a few of the places he has researched. Giza and Malta amongst others. The one thing I found when discussing with tour guides (not their fault) and so called on site experts (definitely their fault) was that no one was interested in expanding the current knowledge of the sites. History had been decided and that is it.

Sad for me because as I journey through life I want to expand my horizons not be dictated my own reality

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Bombadil said:

enormous amount of research

His ghost writers do.

[Origin]

What tourists are allowed to see is less than what others saw 120 years ago. Everything is barred and the underground constructions are bricked up everywhere. And if the researchers hadn't documented back then, there would be no access anywhere. Brainwashed tourists walk across an artificially leveled plateau, which is lined with gigantic slabs, underneath which is a highly complex tunnel system that they will never enter. Many other ruins are not open to the public at all. These clowns know exactly what was destroyed by the so-called Egyptians. They have completely demolished countless buildings that existed at that time and reused them for their cargo cult. What is particularly amusing is that the underground structures were built over with imitation pyramids made of bricks. They were as primitive then as they are now. Selling one of the greatest fairy tales of all time. 

[Edgewood]

Having visited the Giza plateau I can tell you that there are loads of deep shafts and a clearly suspected underground tunnel network..... but it doesn't seem to have been covered up so much as totally neglected since the shafts when I was there were just stuffed absolutely  full of garbage and plastic bottles.......The Arabs were never particularly enthusiastic about the pyramids, seeing them as heathen pagan construction to false Gods, and one gets the impression that they begrudgingly open them to the tourists and really don't care that much about maintaining the site or doing any investigation. 

 

They kind of don't care on a deep level...... They think Islam gives them all the answers and they think they have nothing to learn from the Ancient Egyptians and they just don't care....

 

Consider a people where the only book they ever read is the Koran.... I know it's a generalisation.....  but Ancient Egypt doesn't mean much to the Arabs....sadly....

Feel free to disagree....it's just my kind of impression of Arab culture....

 

So I don't think there's a cover-up of anything.....so much as they just don't care to put the time and investment into clearing all the garbage out of those shafts and tunnels....

 

That said, they have recently opened a tunnel network under the Giza plateau....for a price of course...

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/giza-plateau-0010702

 

Also the Sphinx has obvious tunnels and holes in it.... and the whole thing is or was hollow, before some botched restoration projects.

 

There used to be a hole in the top of the head of the Sphinx through which I assume a priest or Oracle would enter and impersonate one of the Gods....or perhaps even they themselves 'channeled' the Gods in this way...

 

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Edgewood

[Origin]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Edgewood said:

Having visited the Giza plateau I can tell you that there are loads of deep shafts and a clearly suspected underground tunnel network..... but it doesn't seem to have been covered up so much as totally neglected since the shafts when I was there were just stuffed absolutely  full of garbage and plastic bottles.......The Arabs were never particularly enthusiastic about the pyramids, seeing them as heathen pagan construction to false Gods, and one gets the impression that they begrudgingly open them to the tourists and really don't care that much about maintaining the site or doing any investigation. 

 

They kind of don't care on a deep level...... They think Islam gives them all the answers and they think they have nothing to learn from the Ancient Egyptians and they just don't care....

 

Consider a people where the only book they ever read is the Koran.... I know it's a generalisation.....  but Ancient Egypt doesn't mean much to the Arabs....sadly....

Feel free to disagree....it's just my kind of impression of Arab culture....

 

So I don't think there's a cover-up of anything.....so much as they just don't care to put the time and investment into clearing all the garbage out of those shafts and tunnels....

 

That said, they have recently opened a tunnel network under the Giza plateau....for a price of course...

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/giza-plateau-0010702

 

Also the Sphinx has obvious tunnels and holes in it.... and the whole thing is or was hollow, before some botched restoration projects.

 

There used to be a hole in the top of the head of the Sphinx through which I assume a priest or Oracle would enter and impersonate one of the Gods....or perhaps even they themselves 'channeled' the Gods in this way...

 

 

 

 

That is the point. Primitives have never been interested in it. But they were masters at looting everything. And to destroy it. 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Origin

[Edgewood]

I don't know why that guy in the Abu Rawash videos says 'obviously it wasn't hand-tools' and uses terms like 'machined'.

 

I find this kind of thing highly deceptive. Limestone is a very soft rock, and with the introduction of water it becomes even softer since it reacts with water....it can also be melted with acid...It is eminently possible, and hardly much of a feat to cut with copper tools and hundreds of labourers.

 

Limestone is mostly composed of calcium carbonate, the same ingredient in indigestion remedies..... you see what adding water does to this?

 

You shouldn't look at limestone as some kind of indestructible rock, or anything like as hard as granite.... You could literally gouge great chunks in a piece of limestone yourself with a piece of copper and an afternoon to waste.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Edgewood

[oddsnsods]

I actually dont believe the Sphinx is that old. Maybe originally was a lions head or older structure, the Pharaohs shaped it & later restoration from Romans.  The weathering can be explained by the Nile that used to run right next to it.

Most people would disagree, but just my thoughts.

 

If you want proof of a blatant cover up @Edgewood try listening to Zahi Hawass for 5 minutes.

 

Brians not talking about Limestone in the video either.

Edited May 24, 2022 by oddsnsods

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, Edgewood said:

I don't know why that guy in the Abu Rawash videos says 'obviously it wasn't hand-tools' and uses terms like 'machined'.

 

I find this kind of thing highly deceptive. Limestone is a very soft rock, and with the introduction of water it becomes even softer since it reacts with water....it can also be melted with acid...It is eminently possible, and hardly much of a feat to cut with copper tools and hundreds of labourers.

 

Limestone is mostly composed of calcium carbonate, the same ingredient in indigestion remedies..... you see what adding water does to this?

 

You shouldn't look at limestone as some kind of indestructible rock, or anything like as hard as granite.... You could literally gouge great chunks in a piece of limestone yourself with a piece of copper and an afternoon to waste.

 

 

It is only about the remnants. It's not about what they later could build themselves or whether they could demolish basalt or granite. You can distinguish precisely what the first builders and the people of Egypt were able to do. The huge mountains of debris speak volumes. What is said there is always relative. I don't give a damn about the so-called knowledge of humans.

[Morpheus]

34 minutes ago, Edgewood said:

I don't know why that guy in the Abu Rawash videos says 'obviously it wasn't hand-tools' and uses terms like 'machined'.

 

I find this kind of thing highly deceptive. Limestone is a very soft rock, and with the introduction of water it becomes even softer since it reacts with water....it can also be melted with acid...It is eminently possible, and hardly much of a feat to cut with copper tools and hundreds of labourers.

 

Limestone is mostly composed of calcium carbonate, the same ingredient in indigestion remedies..... you see what adding water does to this?

 

You shouldn't look at limestone as some kind of indestructible rock, or anything like as hard as granite.... You could literally gouge great chunks in a piece of limestone yourself with a piece of copper and an afternoon to waste.

 

 

Which is what makes Puma Punka so special because not only is the rock the second hardest material on the planet, the precision with which it has been cut makes it an even bigger anomaly. If I remember correctly, it's older than the pyramids. Go figure. 

[Origin]

6 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Which is what makes Puma Punka so special because not only is the rock the second hardest material on the planet, the precision with which it has been cut makes it an even bigger anomaly. If I remember correctly, it's older than the pyramids. Go figure. 

We are lucky that the locals have only recycled the top layers of the structures. ;) The rest is still hidden deep in the dirt...

[screamingeagle]

34 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

actually dont believe the Sphinx is that old. Maybe originally was a lions head or older structure, the Pharaohs shaped it & later restoration from Romans

some say, Carl Munck is/was one (and i agree) the Sphinx is cat body=curiosity and human head=inteligence

 

when you take into accout "geomathematics" it makes perfect sence 

 

 

it's all out there(incoded in the design,position and conetion between structures) 

 

40 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

you want proof of a blatant cover up @Edgewood try listening to Zahi Hawass for 5 minutes

if he's not an agent,he's plain fucking stupid imo

[EnigmaticWorld]

7 hours ago, Origin said:

I don't give a damn about the so-called knowledge of humans.

 

Don't you like humans? I mean fair enough if you enjoy solitude away from your average lemming, but I hope you don't view us as cattle or anything.

[Origin]

3 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Don't you like humans? I mean fair enough if you enjoy solitude away from your average lemming, but I hope you don't view us as cattle or anything.

If you have been exposed to something that contradicts what humans say, believe, research, their ideas of what reality is, and you recognise that you yourself have been contaminated, this may appear to be the case. When you start to piece together the extraordinary truth, you will experience various severe culture shocks. Figuratively speaking, humans are on a plane where there is no progression and they all repeat the same words and ideas to each other, and nothing is in context. In the end you will have to face the fact that you too cannot interfere or change anything. I am rather infinitely disappointed how little we can experience here and you will blame yourself for why you came into existence here of all places.

[Bombadil]

On 5/22/2022 at 3:23 PM, Origin said:

Primitive caves in India. 

 

 

 

These are fabulous. Watched a doc a while ago. There is loads in India that needs more attention.

[alexa]

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Edited May 25, 2022 by alexa
You tube refused to put video up

[alexa]

 

[Origin]

20 hours ago, Bombadil said:

These are fabulous. Watched a doc a while ago. There is loads in India that needs more attention.

Here are more examples to study. All you have to do is ignore the decorations. Here, too, a production on an industrial scale is noticeable. There is a reason why videos from LAH are so interesting. Because they are more interested in details. But translation is possible Russian ~ English. At least then you can understand some of it. Better than nothing..I personally think that most of what is in India is later, but it was no problem for them to produce quality. It is nevertheless cargo cult based. But that does not explain these so-called primitive perfect caves. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Origin

[Origin]

India Structures are clearly based on cargo cult. Which means they must have seen remains that were original. Which was incomprehensible, and parts of it were copied and decorated. It is the same everywhere. You always worship something you don't understand. And with the extreme recycling, the original remains no longer exist. And yet the original can be traced, there was a template there. Which blends seamlessly with remnants that still exist in other parts of the world. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Origin

[alexa]

4 hours ago, Origin said:

Here are more examples to study. All you have to do is ignore the decorations. Here, too, a production on an industrial scale is noticeable. There is a reason why videos from LAH are so interesting. Because they are more interested in details. But translation is possible Russian ~ English. At least then you can understand some of it. Better than nothing..I personally think that most of what is in India is later, but it was no problem for them to produce quality. It is nevertheless cargo cult based. But that does not explain these so-called primitive perfect caves. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the 4th video down @36:21 it looks like some sort of cog machinery device, don't you think ?

And wasn't red brick used for a conducting device in some of these large buildings/temples we see ?

Edited May 26, 2022 by alexa

[alexa]

770-Year-Old Arc Reactor Found in Indian Temple? Secret Energy Device.....

 

 

[Origin]

41 minutes ago, alexa said:

770-Year-Old Arc Reactor Found in Indian Temple? Secret Energy Device.....

 

 

I know his videos. But he makes a living out of selling India's past as a lost advanced culture. But the original no longer exists. These are always imitations. The first things to deteriorate are machines. They literally disintegrate. Then the knowledge is lost. Everything crumbles into ruins. And in the end, only legends remain. Of gods who could fire mighty bolts of lightning. As an example. Then later ones will start glorifying it and trying to copy it on a primitive level. Cargo Cult. All gods have been invented. Your belief is also a cargo cult. Every religion.