Mikhail Liebestein Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10778723/A-compelling-new-series-claims-darker-Mother-Teresa.html?offset=298&max=100&jumpTo=comment-843044421#comment-843044421 Reminds me of a famous Rob Newman routine in the Newman and Baddiel show. 'I was driving through soho with my car door slightly ajar, and dragging on the pavement - when I saw this little "boy-girl" type of thing, sleeping in a doorway, and I though "ohh, hello, little boy/girl type of thing" so I decided to help it out. Now. I dont want to come all over Mother Theresa... Ohhh Godd, that would be AWFUL! All over her nice tea-towel type thingy...' Edited May 7, 2022 by Mikhail Liebestein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 A lot more to this, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 It was Mother Klaus that delivered me from poverty. She taught me to 'own nothing and be happy!' Suddenly, being poor was not a problem anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Truthblast said: It was Mother Klaus that delivered me from poverty. She taught me to 'own nothing and be happy!' Suddenly, being poor was not a problem anymore! "Own nothing, control everything." – John D. Rockefeller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 I don't want to come over all Mother Theresa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Truthblast Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Mother Klaus makes better pancakes in the morning than Mother Theresa ever did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) Really? "Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States (Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures) Condition Deaths Cost Billion $s Author Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000 12 Lazarou (1) Suh (49) Medical error 98,000 2 IOM (6) Bedsores 115,000 55 Xakellis (7) Barczak (8) Infection 88,000 5 Weinstein (9) MMWR (10) Malnutrition 108,800 — Nurses Coalition (11) Outpatients 199,000 77 Starfield (12) Weingart (1, 12) Unnecessary Procedures 37,136 122 HCUP(3, 13) Surgery-Related 32,000 9 AHRQ(8,5) TOTAL 783,936 282 We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually. ADR/med error 420,000 $200 billion Leape 1997(14) TOTAL 999,936 Annual Unnecessary Medical Events Unnecessary Events People Affected (Millions) Iatrogenic Events (Millions) Hospitalization 8.9 (4) 1.78 (16) Procedures 7.5 (3) 1.3 (40) TOTAL 16.4 3.08 The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people): 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1) 5% to 6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9) 4% to 36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16) 17% chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40) All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a 10-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates. Medical Intervention Projected Ten-Year Death Rates Condition 10-Year Deaths Adverse Drug Reaction 1.06 million Medical error 0.98 million Bedsores 1.15 million Nosocomial Infection 0.88 million Malnutrition 1.09 million Outpatients 1.99 million Unnecessary Procedures 371,360 Surgery-related 320,000 TOTAL 7,841,360 (7.8 million) Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history. Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic. Unnecessary Intervention Projected Ten-Year Statistics Unnecessary Events 10-Year Number Iatrogenic Events Hospitalization 89 million 17 million Procedures 75 million 13 million TOTAL 164 million 30 million These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56% of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry — in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day." Leading Killer DECLINE: Of Medicine — Impact Of — Ours https://doctorschierling.com/blog/more-iatrogenesis http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm ps; you may not be aware of it....but you've got a leech attached to the back of your neck, whispering sweet-nothings to you...you might want to get rid of it....it operates in service to something else that has some not-so-nice plans for you. Edited May 12, 2022 by novymir 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCP Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, novymir said: Really? "Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States (Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures) Condition Deaths Cost Billion $s Author Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000 12 Lazarou (1) Suh (49) Medical error 98,000 2 IOM (6) Bedsores 115,000 55 Xakellis (7) Barczak (8) Infection 88,000 5 Weinstein (9) MMWR (10) Malnutrition 108,800 — Nurses Coalition (11) Outpatients 199,000 77 Starfield (12) Weingart (1, 12) Unnecessary Procedures 37,136 122 HCUP(3, 13) Surgery-Related 32,000 9 AHRQ(8,5) TOTAL 783,936 282 We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually. ADR/med error 420,000 $200 billion Leape 1997(14) TOTAL 999,936 Annual Unnecessary Medical Events Unnecessary Events People Affected (Millions) Iatrogenic Events (Millions) Hospitalization 8.9 (4) 1.78 (16) Procedures 7.5 (3) 1.3 (40) TOTAL 16.4 3.08 The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people): 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1) 5% to 6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9) 4% to 36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16) 17% chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40) All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a 10-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates. Medical Intervention Projected Ten-Year Death Rates Condition 10-Year Deaths Adverse Drug Reaction 1.06 million Medical error 0.98 million Bedsores 1.15 million Nosocomial Infection 0.88 million Malnutrition 1.09 million Outpatients 1.99 million Unnecessary Procedures 371,360 Surgery-related 320,000 TOTAL 7,841,360 (7.8 million) Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history. Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic. Unnecessary Intervention Projected Ten-Year Statistics Unnecessary Events 10-Year Number Iatrogenic Events Hospitalization 89 million 17 million Procedures 75 million 13 million TOTAL 164 million 30 million These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56% of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry — in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day." Leading Killer DECLINE: Of Medicine — Impact Of — Ours https://doctorschierling.com/blog/more-iatrogenesis http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm ps; you may not be aware of it....but you've got a leech attached to the back of your neck, whispering sweet-nothings to you...you might want to get rid of it....it operates in service to something else that has some not-so-nice plans for you. I stopped going to the doctor because of their incompetence. They'll always find something wrong with you and they don't seem to know what they're doing. My last GP had me on 3 drugs for problems I never complained about, but found thru "testing". I started getting severe migraines every day; so when I went back to her for help; she gave me Percocet (that worked, but I couldn't function) and referred me to a neurologist. Instead of making the appointment when I got home, I started to research how this medical system we have today got started and found the statistics you quoted. Medical treatment is the third leading cause of death. WOW ......... What ever happened to their Hippocratic Oath ....... DO NO HARM? This info gave me pause, so I stopped taking the prescriptions, and the next day ......... no more headaches. After a week .... no more headaches, so I canceled any remaining appointments and haven't been back since. This was the last straw from multiple similar experiences I've had with doctors. I think if people understood how many people they're killing and the underhanded way this monopoly got started (Rockefeller Medicine), it would also give them pause. How Rockefeller Created the Business of Western Medicine https://meridianhealthclinic.com/how-rockefeller-created-the-business-of-western-medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no kidding Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 None of the Infogram stuff surprises me, though quite why they pitch their info at the level of seven-year-olds, is beyond me. I have had dealings with a number of large charities, not from choice, but necessity. None were in the UK, though several of the charities were British-based. They would send six or eight people to meetings, where two would have been plenty. I found them arrogant and the fact that they always turned up mob-handed meant that they invariably ended up arguing with each other. In most of them, there is fat too much unaccounted-for money swilling around, and everyone seems to have a grand title and no doubt a similar salary to go with it. I am sure there are genuine ones out there, but the bad ones outweigh them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8900805/Labour-Foreign-Secretary-David-rakes-1-million-year-mega-salary.html The perfect definition of a sinecure... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, no kidding said: None of the Infogram stuff surprises me, though quite why they pitch their info at the level of seven-year-olds, is beyond me. I have had dealings with a number of large charities, not from choice, but necessity. None were in the UK, though several of the charities were British-based. They would send six or eight people to meetings, where two would have been plenty. I found them arrogant and the fact that they always turned up mob-handed meant that they invariably ended up arguing with each other. In most of them, there is fat too much unaccounted-for money swilling around, and everyone seems to have a grand title and no doubt a similar salary to go with it. I am sure there are genuine ones out there, but the bad ones outweigh them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8900805/Labour-Foreign-Secretary-David-rakes-1-million-year-mega-salary.html The perfect definition of a sinecure... Narcissists, Psychopaths and Sociopaths often seek out high positions which they believe will make them untouchable. They try to get to high positions in industry, commerce, banking, government, media, NGOs, charities, Churches because - this is their calculation - "nobody can touch you when you are a .............. ". And it does work for them, unfortunately. When questioned or held to account, they can often hide behind the "reputability" and "track record" of the organization they are in. Perhaps 90% of the most vile acts committed in any given time or era tends to be the direct consequence of people at the top behaving abominably. People at the bottom have a much harder time being a repeat offender of any significance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedidiah Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 17 hours ago, JCP said: I stopped going to the doctor because of their incompetence. They'll always find something wrong with you and they don't seem to know what they're doing. My last GP had me on 3 drugs for problems I never complained about, but found thru "testing". I started getting severe migraines every day; so when I went back to her for help; she gave me Percocet (that worked, but I couldn't function) and referred me to a neurologist. Instead of making the appointment when I got home, I started to research how this medical system we have today got started and found the statistics you quoted. Medical treatment is the third leading cause of death. WOW ......... What ever happened to their Hippocratic Oath ....... DO NO HARM? This info gave me pause, so I stopped taking the prescriptions, and the next day ......... no more headaches. After a week .... no more headaches, so I canceled any remaining appointments and haven't been back since. This was the last straw from multiple similar experiences I've had with doctors. I think if people understood how many people they're killing and the underhanded way this monopoly got started (Rockefeller Medicine), it would also give them pause. How Rockefeller Created the Business of Western Medicine https://meridianhealthclinic.com/how-rockefeller-created-the-business-of-western-medicine/ Great you realised what the ‘medical’ system is like; my experience as well; havent been near a ‘doctor’ for years. Surgery has got a place though imo - so far; it is essential for a lot of things. Good Carlin quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 As Irvine Welsh writes, her and the Yorkshire ripper used the same 'God told me to do it.' excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCP Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 10:20 PM, novymir said: ps; you may not be aware of it....but you've got a leech attached to the back of your neck, whispering sweet-nothings to you...you might want to get rid of it....it operates in service to something else that has some not-so-nice plans for you. Can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 4 hours ago, JCP said: Can you elaborate? This should do it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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