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20 hours ago, legion said:


your opinion is subjective and relative...

each to their own

 

That's literally what I just said. You said "EVERYTHING is relative". I clarified that no, not EVERYTHING is not relative. Only your perception/opinion is, but that doesn't change the truth, which is objective. 

 

20 hours ago, legion said:


btw - 'our people' is everyone around the world being subjected to this madness from so called rulers

 

Fair enough.

 

EnigmaticWorld was actually the one that said this:

 

"I don't know what Max's goals are, but my goal is to carry on the lineage of my people, or at least not be attacked by feral hordes of anti-white nutcases and commies, even if that means elsewhere. I was planning to leave Britain before Covid anyway. I want to live somewhere with more social cohesion. My country is nearly lost, but that doesn't mean my tribe can't regroup elsewhere.

 

"It's too late for a political solution to the demographic & social crisis of the West. Organise & breed for resistance & reconquista!" - Nick Griffin"

 

Obviously EnigmaticWorld is talking about preserving their own lineage i.e. Caucasians, and probably more specifically Anglo-Saxons. He expressed this very clearly and undeniably in this comment. However, since you weren't the one to make this statement, I shouldn't have ascribed it to you ( although you did agree with him).

 

Anyway, I'm not going to drag this on because ultimately I do understand why people would leave if they have the chance to instead of staying and fighting. Do I think it's the right thing to do? No.

 

As I said previously, one of the main reasons we are in this mess is because people have either acquiesced or fled in the face of tyranny. However, I understand this is a natural 'fight or flight' response and if there's the opportunity for 'flight' then people are going to take it.

 

With that being said, and I feel as though this should be obvious but I'll explain it anyway, there's a big difference between Max Igan & 'nobodies' like me or you. And by 'nobodies' I mean people without a following or a platform. Max Igan has both and therefore he's held to a higher standard. There's responsibility that comes with being one of the public voices of resistance, whether he likes it or not. 

 

He was being a hypocrite and was rightfully called out on it.  

 

That's all I really have to say ( unless someone starts arguing that the truth is relative because that's asinine and can easily be proved otherwise)

 

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15 minutes ago, Gremmels said:

That's literally what I just said.


l was simply pointing out that 'your' truth , is actually your opinion and not an absolute truth.
Your opinion on his actions is just an opinion, as is mine. Everyone has one..

There is no absolute 'truth' as to Max's behaviour and actions.
None of us know what its like to be Max....we can only guess whats really going on.

ln the meantime, he has spent years digging through stuff and highlighting certain things, for which l am grateful, and in turn, l wont judge him.

 

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Let's be honest here, most of us try to 'wake others up' not to save them, but to save ourselves. If everyone wakes up then we don't need to make the changes in our own world or step out of our comfort zones, and Max is no different. Yes, he has 'helped' a lot of people in waking up and seeing the reality of this world, and he still puts out really good information.

 

However, there is no denying that his years of 'stand your ground' and 'fight back' have been shown to be empty rhetoric. Even after he 'fled' to Mexico, he was still telling others in Australia to stand their ground., at least in the beginning. I guess eventually he realised how hypocritical this was and he rarely says this now. The comparison to Icke is a good one, and one practices what they preach and the other fled the sinking ship. He is like all of us, a flawed individual and no shame in that, but let us not pretend what he did was in any way heroic like he has tried to do and his supporters have tried to claim. 

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3 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

but let us not pretend what he did was in any way heroic like he has tried to do and his supporters have tried to claim. 

 

I've seen NO-ONE claim that he is a hero for slipping out to Mekiko. 

I think he was smart and wise to get somewhere safe, but I and no-one else has held this action up as heroic

Prove me wrong. 

 

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2 minutes ago, legion said:

 

I've seen NO-ONE claim that he is a hero for slipping out to Mekiko. 

I think he was smart and wise to get somewhere safe, but I and no-one else has held this action up as heroic

Prove me wrong. 

 

I have seen MANY interviewers lauding his fleeing to Mexico and praising Max, and I have heard Max many times creating a narrative of being 'guided by his intuition' whilst quoting his often used "I have always said, if you face infinity without flinching' and 'if you throw yourself to the wind, you can ride it'. If those aren't creating a narrative of the heroes journey then I don't know what is. 

 

And I say all this as someone who still watches his stuff. I just no longer believe his espousing 'take a stand' and other such rhetoric's as they are now empty words. 

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5 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I have seen MANY interviewers lauding his fleeing to Mexico and praising Max

 

It was pretty slick and well timed - including using an 'invitation loophole'. 

It was a smart move - if you believed that Max was in imminent danger in Oz. 

'Hero' is a bit of a stretch. 

 

8 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I say all this as someone who still watches his stuff. I just no longer believe his espousing 'take a stand' and other such rhetoric's as they are now empty words. 

 

You wouldn't still be watching Max Igan videos if he'd stayed. 

You can't make subversive videos while on remand in prison. 

 

He is still taking a stand. 

 

Again - you'd be hearing NOTHING from him about taking any kind of stand if he was jailed. 

 

Again - no Hero - just smart. 

 

(I'm guessing that you've noted he commented about not having his computers confiscated - which had records of countless contacts from around Oz and the World - computers and external drives that are now safe with him in Mekiko) 

 

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3 minutes ago, legion said:

 

It was pretty slick and well timed - including using an 'invitation loophole'. 

It was a smart move - if you believed that Max was in imminent danger in Oz. 

'Hero' is a bit of a stretch. 

 

 

You wouldn't still be watching Max Igan videos if he'd stayed. 

You can't make subversive videos while on remand in prison. 

 

He is still taking a stand. 

 

Again - you'd be hearing NOTHING from him about taking any kind of stand if he was jailed. 

 

Again - no Hero - just smart. 

 

(I'm guessing that you've noted he commented about not having his computers confiscated - which had records of countless contacts from around Oz and the World - computers and external drives that are now safe with him in Mekiko) 

 

We don't know if ANY of what Max 'suspected' had any validity at all. As much as Australia has gone bat shit crazy, there are not too many in the 'alternative' community who have been jailed, other than Aussie Cossack but that was with some legal grounds at least. I believe even Max will come out at some point and admit that leaving Australia was a mistake. 

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2 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I believe even Max will come out at some point and admit that leaving Australia was a mistake. 

 

Maybe. He does look homesick. 

He does often bring returning up in his walk and talks. 

AFAIK - his previous home was flooded out and washed away. 

Where would he go..? 

 

There have been quite a few freedom fighters prosecuted and persecuted in Oz. Off the top of my head I can't name them but I'm very sure there have been 3 or 4 fairly high level activists stopped in their tracks by the authorities. Including in NZ. 

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On 9/12/2022 at 3:17 PM, legion said:


l was simply pointing out that 'your' truth , is actually your opinion and not an absolute truth.
Your opinion on his actions is just an opinion, as is mine. Everyone has one..

There is no absolute 'truth' as to Max's behaviour and actions.
None of us know what its like to be Max....we can only guess whats really going on.

ln the meantime, he has spent years digging through stuff and highlighting certain things, for which l am grateful, and in turn, l wont judge him.

 


Wrong. He was objectively being a hypocrite. That’s undeniable.

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On 9/17/2022 at 11:28 AM, legion said:

 There have been quite a few freedom fighters prosecuted and persecuted in Oz. Off the top of my head I can't name them but I'm very sure there have been 3 or 4 fairly high level activists stopped in their tracks by the authorities. Including in NZ. 

 

Yes-One being Santos Bonacci who also left Oz for mexico.

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6 hours ago, novymir said:

Do you live in Australia?

 

Irrelevant. The fact is he's a hypocrite. That's not an opinion. That's stating fact. The word "hypocrite" has a specific definition and Max Igan fits that definition perfectly. 

 

No amount of mental gymnastics or strawmen arguments will change that fact.

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"However, there is no denying that his years of 'stand your ground' and 'fight back' have been shown to be empty rhetoric. Even after he 'fled' to Mexico, he was still telling others in Australia to stand their ground., at least in the beginning. I guess eventually he realised how hypocritical this was and he rarely says this now. The comparison to Icke is a good one, and one practices what they preach and the other fled the sinking ship."

 

The very definition of hypocrisy. This quote comes from someone who still listens to him but is doesn't deny the reality of the situation.

 

So no. This wasn't my opinion. This is objective fact.

 

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