Get rid of meat to save the planet?

[CarpeDiem]

I can understand why ‘they’ want rid of cows, chickens etc, etc so they can bankrupt yet another industry. I guess it will also allow ‘them’ to centralise ‘meat production’ for those who will be able to afford it in the future…….presumably it will be a luxury item, a status symbol us plebs will not be able to afford. But why are ‘they’ really trying to get everyone off meat? We all know the climate bs is just that- a load of old bs, a scam. So why the determination to get us off meat? Will it have health implications on us i.e the plant based ‘substitutes’ will be full of all sorts of cancer causing, and dementia causing chemicals? Why the determination to stop humans eating meat?

[kj35]

They want everything on  meter and chargeable.  If they could meter air and charge you to breathe they would. And probsbly Will.  If food is only available as fake food within a generation people will forget the skills to grow and cook normal food. Chickens and eggs for example are currently easily kept and eaten by individuals. You cannot control people if they can independently eat. Cows do much more than provide milk and meat. Buffalo and bison roamed and their manure is a vital part of the soil structure. Even now cow and horse manure are being phased out as good soil improvers. Farmers increasingly use artificial chemical fertilisers and chemically treated human sewage. If humans can be manipulated into eating insect proteins and fake foods they quickly become entirely dependent on corporations for food. See also the demonisation of coal and wood burning in favour of metered electricity. The removal of paper maps and reliance on satellite mapping and move to driverless cars.

[Beaujangles]

7 minutes ago, kj35 said:

They want everything on  meter and chargeable.  If they could meter air and charge you to breathe they would. And probsbly Will.  If food is only available as fake food within a generation people will forget the skills to grow and cook normal food. Chickens and eggs for example are currently easily kept and eaten by individuals. You cannot control people if they can independently eat. Cows do much more than provide milk and meat. Buffalo and bison roamed and their manure is a vital part of the soil structure. Even now cow and horse manure are being phased out as good soil improvers. Farmers increasingly use artificial chemical fertilisers and chemically treated human sewage. If humans can be manipulated into eating insect proteins and fake foods they quickly become entirely dependent on corporations for food. See also the demonisation of coal and wood burning in favour of metered electricity. The removal of paper maps and reliance on satellite mapping and move to driverless cars.

 

Ive saved all my paper maps over the years...have a bag full LOL. My son calls it hoarding but I only have a few bags of such things. If people only knew they could survive on plants and their roots without walking too far.  When walking with family/friends etc I often point out the edible weeds/plants - I get " How do you know that?" and "What else?" It's vital that people learn these things but most don't.

 

We have new cricket farms springing up in Ontario... that's just something I can't even think about at this point - but they have these huge drums of crickets buzzing around.

 

Have you found that carrots sometimes taste like pure chemicals? They are not at all palatable. 

 

I don't eat meat...but its the fact that they are trying to eradicate choice on every level. Narrowed down equates to living under forced rules and a forced system. Why people just lap up this lunacy is beyond comprehension. 

 

 

[Beaujangles]

1 hour ago, CarpeDiem said:

I can understand why ‘they’ want rid of cows, chickens etc, etc so they can bankrupt yet another industry. I guess it will also allow ‘them’ to centralise ‘meat production’ for those who will be able to afford it in the future…….presumably it will be a luxury item, a status symbol us plebs will not be able to afford. But why are ‘they’ really trying to get everyone off meat? We all know the climate bs is just that- a load of old bs, a scam. So why the determination to get us off meat? Will it have health implications on us i.e the plant based ‘substitutes’ will be full of all sorts of cancer causing, and dementia causing chemicals? Why the determination to stop humans eating meat?

 

 

Maybe the blood devouring 'elite' require all living beings for their own consumption in one way or another. 

[Firebird]

Is it okay to destroy rainforest for soy production, of which most is fed to the farm animals?

Rainforests destroyed and farm animals viewed as product instead of an animal. Phat $$$$ for the farmers (many are super rich), at the cost of much else.

 

I am a meat eater but that doesn't mean I can't recognize there are issues. The market does need a change.

 

''They want us to stop smoking and wanna close coal mines!'' doesn't make it automatically wrong now does it?

Edited April 29, 2022 by Firebird

[kj35]

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

Is it okay to destroy rainforest for soy production, of which most is fed to the farm animals?

No. And to vegans and vegetarians.

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

Rainforests destroyed and farm animals viewed as product instead of an animal. Phat $$$$ for the farmers (many are super rich), at the cost of much else.

Many in the UK are very much not super rich. Super intensive factory farming needs to cease. And varied planting reintroduced. Not the genetically modified Monsanto patented seeds that are forced on farming.

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

I am a meat eater but that doesn't mean I can't recognize there are issues. The market does need a change.

Agreed. But not destroyed.

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

''They want us to stop smoking and wanna close coal mines!'' doesn't make it automatically wrong now does it?

Two entirely different things being compared there. Stop smoking....Yes it's very bad for you and historically shows just how many lies companies which pay their way can get away with when it suits governments.

 

Close perfectly useable coal mines and import coal to fuel electricity generation pretending it's for climate change,  completely different issue.

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, kj35 said:

No. And to vegans and vegetarians.

 

 

The average cow definitely eats more than the average human. Also, if we eat meat than we extend the food chain which means we usually end up requiring more land for our resources (food). Unless it's niche markets but it's not realistic to have a high demand for that with a large population.

I don't believe in veganism because of nutritional reasons but I can see the issue with the excessive consumption of meat.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Firebird

[kj35]

9 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

The average cow definitely eats more than the average human. Also, if we eat meat than we extend the food chain which means we usually end up requiring more land for our resources (food). Unless it's niche markets but it's not realistic to have a high demand for that with a large population.

I don't believe in veganism because of nutritional reasons but I can see the issue with the excessive consumption of meat.

 

 

Agreed. But not using cattle manure and instead using chemically treated human manure and chemical fertilisers is the soil structure equilavent of watering plants with mountain dew in the film idiocracy.

[eddy64]

2 minutes ago, kj35 said:

Agreed. But not using cattle manure and instead using chemically treated human manure and chemical fertilisers is the soil structure equilavent of watering plants with mountain dew in the film idiocracy.

 

 

be accurate it was brawndo the thirst mutilator :)

[kj35]

Also mostly what cows eat is grass. Easy to grow easy to renew and of no nutritional value to humans so they turn a nutritionally negative product into nutritionally dense food.

[truepositive]

17 minutes ago, eddy64 said:

 

 

be accurate it was brawndo the thirst mutilator :)

I also remembered mountain dew.. or gatorade? But you are correct, and now we can drink it during a rewatch too, potentially; https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/backstage/comments/idiocracys-brawndo-the-thirst-mutilator-becomes-a-reality

 

[sock muppet]

22 hours ago, kj35 said:

They want everything on  meter and chargeable.  If they could meter air and charge you to breathe they would. And probsbly Will.  If food is only available as fake food within a generation people will forget the skills to grow and cook normal food. Chickens and eggs for example are currently easily kept and eaten by individuals. You cannot control people if they can independently eat. Cows do much more than provide milk and meat. Buffalo and bison roamed and their manure is a vital part of the soil structure. Even now cow and horse manure are being phased out as good soil improvers. Farmers increasingly use artificial chemical fertilisers and chemically treated human sewage. If humans can be manipulated into eating insect proteins and fake foods they quickly become entirely dependent on corporations for food. See also the demonisation of coal and wood burning in favour of metered electricity. The removal of paper maps and reliance on satellite mapping and move to driverless cars.

 

It all comes under the umbrella term, New World Order, everything, every atom every molecule, is to be OWNED, sounds insane does it not, but you have to realise that there is a cosmic war going on, and LIFE is the thing to own and control, yes these do nothings that sit around and pontificate about how great they are and how important they are, simply sit back and wait for someone else to engineer/discover things, and for them to implement these things into their systems of control for their diabolical plan, it is to common people with common sensibilities utterly insane, but here is the kick, they are insane, just because a psychopath can do math and have a reasonable conversation at times does not mean SANITY is at play, this is the part that is most difficult for normal everyday loving people will have great trouble/difficulty realising, and the last two years four months bears witness to this.

 

As for getting rid of meat is also INSANE, and this idea will not save the Planet, there is a video where Doris 'blood clot' Johnson is speaking at the UN where he details the very plan and to sterilise everything on Earth, INSANITY LAID BEAR, these so called people that seem to run the show are now exposing themselves and they can not help it, in their heads it makes perfect sense, to us it's INSANE, the only conclusion i can come to as to why we are witnessing more of this INSANITY emerging is because Quantum computing has been achieved and is sufficiently powerful enough to achieve their goals.

[k_j_evans]

2 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

The average cow definitely eats more than the average human. Also, if we eat meat than we extend the food chain which means we usually end up requiring more land for our resources (food). Unless it's niche markets but it's not realistic to have a high demand for that with a large population.

I don't believe in veganism because of nutritional reasons but I can see the issue with the excessive consumption of meat.

 

 

Cows don't have to eat soy. They can eat grass, hay and silage like they used to when I was younger. But all fake food needs to be processed in a factory which uses fuel, is built on land that could be used for growing food, emits and uses chemicals (probably harmful) and requires staff to travel to work there. How can that be better for the environment than a cow or a sheep living naturally on the land and helping to fertilise it?

[Grumpy Owl]

Animals that are reared for food production have a 'purpose'.

 

People that 'care passionately' about animals fail to see this.

 

If there is no need to breed, rear and care for animals such as sheep, cattle or chickens, in order to produce food, then there is no real need for these animals to exist.

 

If these creatures have no 'purpose', then it becomes a waste of resources to provide for and care for them.

 

Therefore if there is a push to make all humans 'vegan', by making all meat products 'plant-based', then all the animals reared for meat production just become 'useless eaters' themselves, and end up becoming culled and extinct.

 

The animal rights activists don't seem to have cottoned on to this aspect yet.

[Mr H]

Carbohydrate based diets are great for the food industry - because you need to consistently eat carbs because they get burned quickly, and also good for the big pharma industry - because your body is constantly digesting, this causes disease. I try and follow the money and these two industries set to benefit most. 

[Macnamara]

12 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Animals that are reared for food production have a 'purpose'.People that 'care passionately' about animals fail to see this.

 

If there is no need to breed, rear and care for animals such as sheep, cattle or chickens, in order to produce food, then there is no real need for these animals to exist.The animal rights activists don't seem to have cottoned on to this aspect yet.

 

I think that there probably are problems with the corporate mass production methods of the meat industry and i would personally prefer a return to the old ways of people raising their own livestock which i think would be more humane. Imagine for example raising pigs that have the run of a field and eat your organic household food scraps and which are then put down by yourself with a quick bullet to the head instead of being rounded up onto a trailer and taken away by strangers to an abatoir where they are kicked around by fed up workers. So i think DECENTRALISED food production would be more humane but this would need a change in regulations to allow people to slaughter their own animals.

 

With all the talk of 'saving the planet' there is also an issue of waste in the food industry which is largely down to the way the supermarkets operate where they want very homogenised food that invariably is picked too early and has lost a lot of its nutritional value in transport and storage. With meat people could once again go back to the old ways of eating more of the animal such as the offal eg I had a nice piece of home made pork crackling last night! This is also more respectful to the animal that has given its life and to wider nature of which we and the animals are a part.

 

So the talking points of the vegan agenda don't tend to focus around these two issues of more ethical animal husbandry or reducing waste. They invariably reflect the elites desired talking points which are all geared towards moving us to a highly regulated and CENTRALISED food production system in which their corporate cultivated bugs, lab grown synthetic 'meat' and pesticide laden plant based crops of badly digestible grains will form the entirety of the global food stuffs, except for the elites of course who will no doubt retain private estates with quality food sources

Edited April 30, 2022 by Macnamara

[Firebird]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

If there is no need to breed, rear and care for animals such as sheep, cattle or chickens, in order to produce food, then there is no real need for these animals to exist.

 

 

This is only if everyone were to be vegan. Veganism is the opposite of excessive meat consumption. Besides, there are also wild boar, junglefowl, and various kinds of wild bovines.

There can be an option in-between where people eat less meat but better quality meat.

 

 

 

[Firebird]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

The animal rights activists don't seem to have cottoned on to this aspect yet.

 

 

Keeping a species alive and have its entire life purpose be to be fattened and end up on a plate is not really about animal rights.

The species won't disappear (only the breeds) because there are wild boar, junglefowl, bovines, etc.

 

[eddy64]

many breeds of animals and different varieties of the same plant is necessary for disease resistance. seems from your posts your a fan of rewilding,  not a great idea in the uk where we don't grow  enough food at the moment imho.

[kj35]

20 minutes ago, eddy64 said:

many breeds of animals and different varieties of the same plant is necessary for disease resistance. seems from your posts your a fan of rewilding,  not a great idea in the uk where we don't grow  enough food at the moment imho.

Rewild brownfield or kerbsides by all means but they are pushing for prime farm land to be Wilded, even paying farmers to rewild prime food growing plots.

 

 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/06/englands-farmers-to-be-paid-to-rewild-land

 

Plus paying farmers to retire!!!

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-a-lump-sum-payment-to-leave-or-retire-from-farming

 

Bill Gates ( owner of fake food company) owns the most farm land in the states.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/bill-gates-climate-crisis-farmland

 

 

And people think WE are mad for pointing out they want to make people reliant on fake food! When the evidence is right in front of their face!

 

I can envisage a future where everything outside smartcities is Wilded.

Edited April 30, 2022 by kj35

[Grumpy Owl]

11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I think that there probably are problems with the corporate mass production methods of the meat industry and i would personally prefer a return to the old ways of people raising their own livestock which i think would be more humane. Imagine for example raising pigs that have the run of a field and eat your organic household food scraps and which are then put down by yourself with a quick bullet to the head instead of being rounded up onto a trailer and taken away by strangers to an abatoir where they are kicked around by fed up workers. So i think DECENTRALISED food production would be more humane but this would need a change in regulations to allow people to slaughter their own animals.

 

With all the talk of 'saving the planet' there is also an issue of waste in the food industry which is largely down to the way the supermarkets operate where they want very homogenised food that invariably is picked too early and has lost a lot of its nutritional value in transport and storage. With meat people could once again go back to the old ways of eating more of the animal such as the offal eg I had a nice piece of home made pork crackling last night! This is also more respectful to the animal that has given its life and to wider nature of which we and the animals are a part.

 

So the talking points of the vegan agenda don't tend to focus around these two issues of more ethical animal husbandry or reducing waste. They invariably reflect the elites desired talking points which are all geared towards moving us to a highly regulated and CENTRALISED food production system in which their corporate cultivated bugs, lab grown synthetic 'meat' and pesticide laden plant based crops of badly digestible grains will form the entirety of the global food stuffs, except for the elites of course who will no doubt retain private estates with quality food sources

 

I agree with what you say, and I think you are right.

 

In times gone by, animals were reared for 'their purpose', whether that be for food production or the like, but it was always the case that farmers and livestock rearers did actually care about their animals, for example look after your bull properly and it will produce fine quality steak, or even free-range chickens producing good quality large eggs.

 

Something did get lost with the transition to 'quantity over quality', ie the mass-production methods, in order to satisfy the demand from wholesale food producers and resellers, such as 'big supermarkets' etc.

 

And I believe it is true that a lot of produced food does go to waste. It would be better in the long term if we went back to local farmers and rearers producing what the local community needs, rather than mass-production to suit export requirements.

[Macnamara]

22 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

And I believe it is true that a lot of produced food does go to waste. It would be better in the long term if we went back to local farmers and rearers producing what the local community needs, rather than mass-production to suit export requirements.

 

I can understand the need to maintain certain standards for animal slaughter and that not every small holder would want to do that so you could have travelling butchers who were licensed to carry out the job who could come to a smallholding and carry out the task. They could even have tailor-made trailers to carry out the butchery part in.

 

The point is that there are options out there beyond the dehumanising mass production of the CORPORATE system

 

The internet has fantastic potential as a means for people to hold online markets and exchanges so that people can link up with the right goods and services and also sell or trade their wares. In the olden days they had large fairs that were not only a chance for people to buy and sell but also a chance to socialise and that can all be resurrected both online and offline

 

We just need to tweak our priorities

Edited May 1, 2022 by Macnamara

[k_j_evans]

On 4/29/2022 at 8:57 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Animals that are reared for food production have a 'purpose'.

 

People that 'care passionately' about animals fail to see this.

 

If there is no need to breed, rear and care for animals such as sheep, cattle or chickens, in order to produce food, then there is no real need for these animals to exist.

 

If these creatures have no 'purpose', then it becomes a waste of resources to provide for and care for them.

 

Therefore if there is a push to make all humans 'vegan', by making all meat products 'plant-based', then all the animals reared for meat production just become 'useless eaters' themselves, and end up becoming culled and extinct.

 

The animal rights activists don't seem to have cottoned on to this aspect yet.

About 30 years ago, I spent ages trying to get this across to a veggie colleague - he was convinced that cows and sheep would just be allowed to roam freely in an idyllic existence *sigh* I doubt there'll even be many in the elite's private safari parks.

[k_j_evans]

On 4/30/2022 at 10:54 AM, Firebird said:

 

This is only if everyone were to be vegan. Veganism is the opposite of excessive meat consumption. Besides, there are also wild boar, junglefowl, and various kinds of wild bovines.

There can be an option in-between where people eat less meat but better quality meat.

 

 

 

Only for the rich.

[k_j_evans]

On 4/30/2022 at 10:56 AM, Firebird said:

 

 

Keeping a species alive and have its entire life purpose be to be fattened and end up on a plate is not really about animal rights.

The species won't disappear (only the breeds) because there are wild boar, junglefowl, bovines, etc.

 

Not many. More go extinct every day. And remember we had no compunction about killing off those pesky rabbits with myxy when they dared to interfere with our arable crops. And you can be sure that any "wild" animals would interfere with palm oil, soya, even bug, production.

Edited May 3, 2022 by k_j_evans