Covid is Real - I had it!

[novymir]

What is "iatrogenesis" ??

 

Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States

(Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures)

Condition	Deaths	Cost Billion $s	Author
Adverse Drug Reactions	106,000	12	Lazarou (1) Suh (49)
Medical error	98,000	2	IOM (6)
Bedsores	115,000	55	Xakellis (7) Barczak (8)
Infection	88,000	5	Weinstein (9) MMWR (10)
Malnutrition	108,800	—	Nurses Coalition (11)
Outpatients	199,000	77	Starfield (12) Weingart (1, 12)
Unnecessary Procedures	37,136	122	HCUP(3, 13)
Surgery-Related	32,000	9	AHRQ(8,5)
TOTAL	783,936	282

We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

 

ADR/med error	420,000	$200 billion	Leape 1997(14)
TOTAL	999,936

Annual Unnecessary Medical Events

Unnecessary Events	People Affected (Millions)	Iatrogenic Events (Millions)
Hospitalization	8.9 (4)	1.78 (16)
Procedures	7.5 (3)	1.3 (40)
TOTAL	16.4	3.08

The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people):

• 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1)
• 5% to 6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9)
• 4% to 36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16)
• 17% chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40)

All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a 10-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates.

Medical Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Death Rates
Condition	10-Year Deaths
Adverse Drug Reaction	1.06 million
Medical error	0.98 million
Bedsores	1.15 million
Nosocomial Infection	0.88 million
Malnutrition	1.09 million
Outpatients	1.99 million
Unnecessary Procedures	371,360
Surgery-related	320,000
TOTAL	7,841,360 (7.8 million)

Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history.

Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic.

Unnecessary Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Statistics
Unnecessary Events	10-Year Number	Iatrogenic Events
Hospitalization	89 million	17 million
Procedures	75 million	13 million
TOTAL	164 million	30 million

These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56% of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry — in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day.

• Leading Killer
• DECLINE: Of Medicine — Impact Of — Ours

 

https://doctorschierling.com/blog/more-iatrogenesis

 

 

[Firebird]

9 hours ago, novymir said:

Interesting to observe the weird fantasizing of the virus believers, all these fearful scenarios they conjure up in their head, and then they want to "share' these things as if they're valid outside of their own mind, they believe their fantasies represent reality and are universal, they "think" they're helping people with their warnings based on the programing they have assimilated, acting in service for the "hive" mind of a (artificial-projection=illusion)cancerous consciousness that dominates this dream, and is of a predatory/parasitic nature.

 

The irony here is that you easily describe most people that believe everything the ''alternative media'' says. You think those guys don't rely on fear and panic to sell their stories, books and keep subscribers? Lets not be naive.........

 

You're not helping ANYONE with your virus denial. I even read rabies denial on here..

 

What I believe is happening is some people can't take the stuff that is happening in the world so their mind is closing off and goes into denial mode. It becomes more attractive to believe in a world where there are no viruses and it's all just made up. Then you think you are in complete control. Stuff from the external world becomes imagination.

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Firebird

[sock muppet]

3 hours ago, Firebird said:

What I believe is happening is some people can't take the stuff that is happening in the world so their mind is closing off and goes into denial mode.

 

You seem to have an expert opinion of this, can you share with the forum more of the enlightenment that you have, can you also provide links and resource material to further educate the forum in this belief you have.

[Sanityisgone]

Prove it. You're ill every year so that says it all. Could have been something in food and water. Fact is nothing has changed apart from every ill person now goes on social media to tell the entire world. 

[sock muppet]

13 hours ago, Firebird said:

Some diseases have very high mortality. Covid is different. And I got antibodies now so I'm cool.

 

Please provide the necessary evidence that supports your theory that covid is different, and please provide supporting evidence of the so called anti-bodies that you have, and finally why do you think it is cool to have these anti-bodies within your own body, because it reads very much like a fuk you to everyone else that is suffering from the disease called covid?

[sock muppet]

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

You're not helping ANYONE with your virus denial. I even read rabies denial on here..

 

And you do not help anyone in denial of the outrageous lies and deception being perpetrated by Government MSM on the people of this country, here is a snippet for you to digest it is from this website; https://thorax.bmj.com/content/76/7/714

 

The document on that website goes to great lengths to discount the role of Nicotine having an effect with respect to the disease known as covid and you have to read with expert eye to tease out the relevant information buried in a huge amount of information about people with covid like symptoms that smoke, but finally we do indeed arrive at the conclusion that Nicotine is playing a significant role with respect to the disease known as covid, and here it is, do you see how they load the wording so as to say, oh do not look here as you might learn the truth, no look the other way, here let me sprinkle pixie dust in your eyes and add some woooo noises!!!

 

[novymir]

[Ethel]

People get illnesses because they don't look after themselves properly. I literally have to be in the depths of the most extreme despair or powerlessness before I get even so much as a sniffle. This says a lot to me about how unconscious the masses are that they regularly get things like flu and other garbage illnesses.

 

People talk about illness like it's just a normal part of life, with no causes. Change your terrible beliefs about human health. Eat organic, healthy food. Stop identifying with garbage beliefs the MSM drum into your brain; this shit isn't rocket science.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Ethel

[Firebird]

11 hours ago, Ethel said:

People get illnesses because they don't look after themselves properly. I literally have to be in the depths of the most extreme despair or powerlessness before I get even so much as a sniffle. This says a lot to me about how unconscious the masses are that they regularly get things like flu and other garbage illnesses.

 

People talk about illness like it's just a normal part of life, with no causes. Change your terrible beliefs about human health. Eat organic, healthy food. Stop identifying with garbage beliefs the MSM drum into your brain; this shit isn't rocket science.

 

 

People can get illnesses that way, yes, but they can also be in the wrong place at the wrong time. People simply also catch viruses and healthy people can get sick from it. Then there is different strains and people with and without antibodies. There are many factors involved.

 

''But I've never caught a flu in a decade!'' doesn't mean ''I am healthy, no virus can ever get to me''. Not everyone gets infected, from what I recall reading about it is that not even the majority catch flu during a flu season. You can check stats about flu epidemics.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by Firebird

[Bombadil]

36 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

 

People can get illnesses that way, yes, but they can also be in the wrong place at the wrong time. People simply also catch viruses and healthy people can get sick from it. Then there is different strains and people with and without antibodies. There are many factors involved.

 

''But I've never caught a flu in a decade!'' doesn't mean ''I am healthy, no virus can ever get to me''. Not everyone gets infected, from what I recall reading about it is that not even the majority catch flu during a flu season. You can check stats about flu epidemics.

 

 

 

 

 

Can you provide the links please

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, Bombadil said:

Can you provide the links please

 

Of what? Percentage of people getting infections during epidemics? I'm sure you can find it yourself.

 

 

 

[Bombadil]

2 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

Of what? Percentage of people getting infections during epidemics? I'm sure you can find it yourself.

 

 

 

Obviously I can. My point is that providing links from your own research, it can expand the horizons of other members. Maybe the sources you use have validity.

[zarkov]

Interesting listen.

RESPONSE TO FUELLMICH FACT OR FICTION BY DR. THOMAS COWAN

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q8IMFBqCZ3vl/

[Firebird]

2 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Obviously I can.

 

And since you showed an interest in it, I'm sure you have looked it up.

[Youknownothingbutyou]

On 5/4/2022 at 4:31 AM, Firebird said:

 

The irony here is that you easily describe most people that believe everything the ''alternative media'' says. You think those guys don't rely on fear and panic to sell their stories, books and keep subscribers? Lets not be naive.........

 

You're not helping ANYONE with your virus denial. I even read rabies denial on here..

 

What I believe is happening is some people can't take the stuff that is happening in the world so their mind is closing off and goes into denial mode. It becomes more attractive to believe in a world where there are no viruses and it's all just made up. Then you think you are in complete control. Stuff from the external world becomes imagination.

 

 

 

Real virus or not

It doesnt matter nor change the sad state of affairs. Guess its time to reconcile our alikeness rather then our differences.

 

its true here we find some extreme views like all virus are invented or the immune system is a scam. Yeah, its cringe but who cares. These are all details, not the main course.

 

main course is:

pcr test problems

Mrna untested and unsafe

vaccine doesnt work as intended

mask are useless

relevent treatment such as ivermectin banned

health system corrupted

 

 

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Youknownothingbutyou said:

Real virus or not

It doesnt matter nor change the sad state of affairs. Guess its time to reconcile our alikeness rather then our differences.

 

its true here we find some extreme views like all virus are invented or the immune system is a scam. Yeah, its cringe but who cares. These are all details, not the main course.

 

main course is:

pcr test problems

Mrna untested and unsafe

vaccine doesnt work as intended

mask are useless

relevent treatment such as ivermectin banned

health system corrupted

 

 

100%

[Beaujangles]

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

Of what? Percentage of people getting infections during epidemics? I'm sure you can find it yourself.

 

 

 

 

I would like the link to where you base your belief that covid exists as an isolated virus please. I have been looking for such a link and can't seem to find one. I'm sure you must have one. It may be an idea to put a link to it here and in your own thread. Or more than one if you have them. Thank you

[Bombadil]

25 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

And since you showed an interest in it, I'm sure you have looked it up.

Not the point and you know it. Whilst this thread is allowed, All threads are only allowed on the basis of showing some evidence to discuss or research. Anyone can exaggerate things. Telling someone to look themselves to prove your claims is wrong and goes against the rules all have to abide by. Your clearly not stupid,  so back what you believe to be true. I think even the most hard nosed sceptic on this site would hold their hands up. Admit they were wrong. This is your chance to do that.

please don’t respond with a pointless and inane quip.

[sock muppet]

37 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

And since you showed an interest in it, I'm sure you have looked it up.

 

If other members are like myself, then they are doing this free of charge and of their own good will towards you and in their free time, and i have no doubt have other things to attend to that are far more important than to help you find and prove the answers you are looking for, but you have done this several times now where you have been asked to provide some evidence to hold up on your side of the equation, which is that the notion that the virus is real and more specifically, the actual virus that causes the disease known as covid-19, please remember that this is all publicly available for anyone to read, so it is not all about you.

By not actually trying you are in fact a representative of the psychological make up of the public we find ourselves at odds with, remember that people are suffering with long term illness and people have died due to the lack of credible evidence that supports the claim that the disease is actually caused by a virus, remember that everyone in the UK has been through two years of house arrest for what seems like an unsupported claim with reference to the cause of the disease, if you now put this into context of the wider reality that we find ourselves in then your comments are again coming across as a big fuk you to the rest of the public who are desperately in need of answers to their plight and suffering that has been caused by a total lack of intelligence, understanding and empathy which you display within this thread so very eloquently.

If you do indeed represent this shameful callous mode of thinking then i at least hope it serves others searching for answers to realise there are friends out here who are willing as best they can to help.

Why do you not research the subject you claim to be sure of and provide the necessary evidence for the public to understand your assertions, because if you do not the public will realise finally that this whole covid thing has been a fraud.

[Deano7879]

On 4/30/2022 at 4:32 PM, sock muppet said:

 

The virus, do you have any evidence that it is a virus, do you have anything more than the symptoms to describe it with, can you say for certain where it was contracted, because it would be of great value for the rest of us that want to help and narrow down just what is at play here?

No i don't have concrete evidence unfortunately. i can only describe what happened to me and the people around me and draw conclusions from that. I'm just trying to remain open minded. I also refuse to believe they could carry on this farce for so long, with just overhyping the flu.

 

All i know is that something new is here that wasn't here before. Around September 2021, in my local area,  something was going around that was causing people to be ill and  to lose taste and smell. What it was i can only theorize. 

 

 Whatever it was, the symptoms mimic the Flu, apart from the loss of taste and smell.  Usually i would write this off as a coincidence, but because my partner, her sister and a few other people i know had exactly the same symptoms, that made me believe it was something else

 

I did notice people were only falling ill after the jab rollout. Never before.  ..My theory is they overhyped the flu until they could roll the vaccine out, and now the vaccine is causing a mutation of the flu which is still not that bad

[Bombadil]

10 minutes ago, Deano7879 said:

No i don't have concrete evidence unfortunately. i can only describe what happened to me and the people around me and draw conclusions from that. I'm just trying to remain open minded. I also refuse to believe they could carry on this farce for so long, with just overhyping the flu.

 

All i know is that something new is here that wasn't here before. Around September 2021, in my local area,  something was going around that was causing people to be ill and  to lose taste and smell. What it was i can only theorize. 

 

 Whatever it was, the symptoms mimic the Flu, apart from the loss of taste and smell.  Usually i would write this off as a coincidence, but because my partner, her sister and a few other people i know had exactly the same symptoms, that made me believe it was something else

 

I did notice people were only falling ill after the jab rollout. Never before.  ..My theory is they overhyped the flu until they could roll the vaccine out, and now the vaccine is causing a mutation of the flu which is still not that bad

The fact that your prepared to analyse the info you see say a lot for you! Whilst I personally believe all is a scam etc. I will always listen to others. I think they took at best a stronger flu and created the debacle we’ve all been through. Certainly It would seem that long covid etc is just a way to steer the populace the way they want.

Do you believe that covid(whatever you believe is behind it), war in Ukraine and food shortages etc all seem too convenient when considering the climate agenda?

It’s a fantastic opportunity either way to build back better.

 

[Firebird]

2 hours ago, Bombadil said:

Not the point and you know it. Whilst this thread is allowed, All threads are only allowed on the basis of showing some evidence to discuss or research. Anyone can exaggerate things. Telling someone to look themselves to prove your claims is wrong and goes against the rules all have to abide by. Your clearly not stupid,  so back what you believe to be true. I think even the most hard nosed sceptic on this site would hold their hands up. Admit they were wrong. This is your chance to do that.

please don’t respond with a pointless and inane quip.

 

You gotta be joking there. This forum is full of threads that lack any scientific evidence!!! Flat-earth, no virus, religious stuff.

 

I already said MANY times that I do not have the evidence of covid19 that people want. These type of sceptics need to see the virus in a lab, and then obviously differentiate it with other viruses. Only THAT will satisfy them and that isn't something I can provide.

 

But people read over it, deliberately, and behave childish and I know some guys enjoy it 100%, because I bet in their daily lives offline they can't do that because they will get ridiculed so back down. But online it is so easy to do with someone who says that there's a virus.

 

I said many times I go by my own experience, the difference with flu, the type of symptoms I had, and many other people I talked with who experienced it also (also specific symptoms that are typical to either delta or omicron).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by Firebird

[TheConsultant]

26 minutes ago, Deano7879 said:

Whatever it was, the symptoms mimic the Flu, apart from the loss of taste and smell.  Usually i would write this off as a coincidence, but because my partner, her sister and a few other people i know had exactly the same symptoms, that made me believe it was something else

Yet again a potential symptom of prolonged mask wearing. 

Edited May 5, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Bombadil]

1 minute ago, Firebird said:

Flat-earth

 

2 minutes ago, Firebird said:

But people read over it, deliberately, and behave extremely childish and I know some of you guys enjoy it 100% because I bet in your daily lives offline you can't do that because you will get ridiculed so you back down, but here it is so easy to do with someone who says that there's a virus.

I work for the Prime ministers personal secretary. I can assure that we in fact reap great delight from the populace believing everything fed to them by our secretaries at the msm. Joking obviously. But remember politicians lie all the time and actually cannot reply yes or no to anything

Personally I speak my mind about anything when having a discussion. I was taught from an early age that is both base and repugnant to speak falsely to others. It lessons you as a person. I do not need to act falsely around others to fit in. Never have never will

[Bombadil]

9 minutes ago, Firebird said:

You gotta be joking there. This forum is full of threads that lack any scientific evidence!!! Flat-earth, no virus, religious stuff.

I actually agree with you to a fair point. I personally don’t believe in FE. Those that do, do provide links on many occasions. They can then be disputed.

Im also an atheist,  so religion sounds hollow to me as well. Though I can relate to certain parts of religions in regards to certain aspects of life and the treatment of others.

I appreciate you cannot quantify an opinion with a link but at least some of your understanding of things related to Covid has surely come from what you have read or watched. The point is. Surely when you have had questions of your own regarding all things covid, friends or loved one experiences etc, you have researched to learn more about what’s going on.

Those links are what I am alluding to. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it.