The Vegan Agenda

[RobinJ]

oh for heavens sake. What stupidity. If stuff is 'fortified' then it aint natural its manufactured. 

 

I wasnt attempting to play any card, Im not the one with an agenda... Just stating facts, every vegan Ive ever met takes some kind of supplement, hence not really existing on vegan food but vegan food with additions which are manufactured. 

 

Your animal slaughter stuff is idiotic. Its perfectly easy to buy natural honey from those who keep bees locally without bees having their wings torn off. Its also possible to milk a goat without killing it or causing pain etc. I could go on, but why bother?

 

If you know anything about the true reality of this existence, you should know that everything is sentient, including plants. So if you rip a carrot up by its roots you are still 'killing' it so you can eat it. How much pain do you think it feels? The arguments are nonsense that its all death and pain in meat land.

 

Veganisim is bullshit, and I say that as someone with LOTS of vegan friends. ALL of whom have some health issue or other and all of whom are expecting everyone else to fit in with their idiotic control beliefs. Constantly trying to force their ideas on people for the tasteless crap they eat.

 

"eat carcass" - honestly, you have been media brainwashed. Your language betrays you Im afraid. Like many who are rabid about veganism its based on emotional bullshit to get you to buy stuff with a 'Im precious' label, which, unless you grow it yourself, you have zero idea as to whether the organic etc claims are true. Or even any of the so called cruelty videos. Its all there to separate us from each other by use of virtue signalling and cruelty labels.

 

"Meat eating- defacto satanism"  seriously. What utter codswallop.

 

No wonder you dont want to comment further, because by doing so you make yourself look utterly brainwashed. Always easier to close your eyes than face truth.

 

Ive yet to meet a healthy vegan, and that after meeting over 100 this year alone. ( I ran an event where vegans were the dominant species LOL) Every single one moaned that nothing was good enough. Never met a bigger set of heath nazis who have control issues around food in all my life. 

I dont choose to dictate to you about what you eat, so why, as a vegan, should you think you have the right to do that to others? Nobody does.

 

As a meat eater I couldn't care less what you eat, and I dont choose shove any agenda down your face like most vegans do to others. 

Get off your high horse already. Wake up and see what's really going on.

 

[Campion]

On 4/30/2022 at 9:08 AM, Macnamara said:

does the eating too much aspect tie into processed food where certain appetite enhancers or flavour enhancers might be included along with additives that are designed to make the food more addictive?

 

In which case should we be speaking more about how PROCESSED FOOD is the problem?

 

Yes we should be talking about processed food causing health problems and addictions; and also how it is more profitable for the corporations, how for many impoverished and stressed people it seems to provide 'cheap calories' that are quicker to prepare. And yes I agree with your previous point about our lifestyle affecting how much we need to eat. Quality and quantity can be seen as separate issues. Conventional advice is to keep your BMI in certain limits, but  I'm referring to some research into life expectancy and restricted diets, as I recall this started out on mice. I've come across some discussions of the links between lifespan, epigenetics and calorie restriction  I've no expertise myself on this but it seems worthwhile to check it out -  but from a random internet search here's an article:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6515465/ 

 

"Caloric restriction (CR), i.e., the reduction of caloric intake (by 10% to 40%) without causing malnutrition, has proven to be by far the most effective intervention that can extend the maximum lifespan in a wide range of organisms including yeast, nematodes, flies, and rodents. Interestingly, observations also demonstrated an effect on healthspan (i.e., time spent being healthy), coincident with a significant decrease in age-related diseases such as cardiovascular events, diabetes, neurodegenerative diseases, and cancers. The beneficial effects of CR occur through an extreme wide range of molecular mechanisms, largely overlapping with aging hallmarks, among which epigenetic factors have recently gained interest." 

 

I've also seen some more accessible content in Dr Rangan Chatterjee's YT channel such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6UhhV_K1s&t=4804s but I need to do more research into this area; who to believe is the issue as ever.  

[novymir]

The Spirit sustains me, and only The Spirit. Anything else is a fiction, an illusion, a dream of lies.

 

Do what thou wilt, everything is permited, nothing is forbidden--LOVE Is The Law--The Whole of The Law.

To "break" the Law is to exit Reality.

And there we are.

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by novymir

[DarianF]

On 4/16/2022 at 7:30 PM, SuperstarNeilC said:

 

 

The guy with the camera is a soy boy. Wants an apology because some guy grabbed his arm. Fucking pussy. Go home. As for the vegans, fuck off with your bullshit milk. As for the religious nut, go bash your bible verses against the wall of a mental hospital, because no one gives a shit about your delusions.

 

Basically, everyone in this video is a wanker.

[DarianF]

On 4/17/2022 at 6:50 AM, Mr H said:

I'm not sure this is true. Pasturized milk has little benefit, but unpasturized has reported incredible health benefits.

 

Yeah, except it's illegal and could kill you. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/raw-unpasteurised-milk

[novymir]

30 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Yeah, except it's illegal and could kill you. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/raw-unpasteurised-milk

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by novymir
it seems i have a shadow or 2 here

[Mr H]

5 hours ago, DarianF said:

 

Yeah, except it's illegal and could kill you. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/raw-unpasteurised-milk

That's the story that is rolled out to us so we don't drink it. I'm not sure it's true. But will find out for myself.

 

[Mr H]

8 hours ago, DarianF said:

 

Yeah, except it's illegal and could kill you. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/raw-unpasteurised-milk

And also to note here in the UK it is perfectly legal.

 

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk

[DaleP]

On 5/16/2022 at 5:41 PM, Ethel said:

What I'm hearing in this thread is "I enjoy X, therefore X is harmless". This is not logic. When I first became a tinfoil hat, I assumed other tinfoil hats would be able to spot denial to the same extent I can. This was an incorrect assumption.

 

The widespread promotion of Veganism may indicate that the PTB have something to gain from large numbers of people going Vegan, but this doesn't mean that forcing animals to lie in their own mess, kicking them repeatedly, hitting them with crowbars and then violently slitting their throats isn't a holocaust. Are you happy to fund this?

 

Do you want to be one of the retards who denies it's happening? 

 

I would think it's a baby step towards Bill Gate's fake meat.

Letting people accustomed to fake bacon, fake burger and vegan chicken pieces. Not much of jump from there now.

 

[jedidiah]

7 hours ago, Mr H said:

And also to note here in the UK it is perfectly legal.

 

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk

 

Ive had raw milk for years from ‘organic’ cows.

If the whole process is kept clean there’s no worries at all.

[Mr H]

5 minutes ago, jedidiah said:

 

Ive had raw milk for years from ‘organic’ cows.

If the whole process is kept clean there’s no worries at all.

Thx man good to know.

 

 

[RobinJ]

52 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Thx man good to know.

 

 

 

And,  by the way, pasteurisation is part of the agenda for poor health. The process removes anything good in the milk. Pasteurisation was never proven to help anything just like all the other theories.

[jedidiah]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Thx man good to know.

 

 

 

You’re welcome.

It’s as someone said previously, if ‘they’ say it’s bad, it’s ok; and again, to paraphrase something else said here, everyone has their own agenda/beliefs; go with what your - extensive - research turns up, or how you ‘feel’ about something.

[jedidiah]

26 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

 

And,  by the way, pasteurisation is part of the agenda for poor health. The process removes anything good in the milk. Pasteurisation was never proven to help anything just like all the other theories.

 

Pasteurisation; process in which certain foods are treated with mild heat in order to eliminate pathogens and extend shelf life.

 

So ‘they’ say.

[Seeker]

I’d be interested if anyone could pick apart what this guy says. To me he knows his stuff, and I’ve felt much better fitness wise since eating more carbs/ less meat. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2ZWX3GJfAIeRFWN91t09ww

 

Ive known people who have been vegan for 20+ years, which surprised me as I thought it was something new. 

 

I 100% agree there is an agenda, however Veganisim in general might be innocent, and it’s been hijacked by people like Gates to promote fake meat, which is toxic and reduces testosterone in men achieving a few agendas with 1 stone. 

[Bluesentme]

9 hours ago, Seeker said:

I’d be interested if anyone could pick apart what this guy says. To me he knows his stuff, and I’ve felt much better fitness wise since eating more carbs/ less meat. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2ZWX3GJfAIeRFWN91t09ww

 

Ive known people who have been vegan for 20+ years, which surprised me as I thought it was something new. 

 

I 100% agree there is an agenda, however Veganisim in general might be innocent, and it’s been hijacked by people like Gates to promote fake meat, which is toxic and reduces testosterone in men achieving a few agendas with 1 stone. 

There is nothing wrong with not wanting another to die to survive , its just the rubbish that they put into the food. Its almost just concentrated chemicals , plant fiber / protein and sugar

[Mr H]

On 5/22/2022 at 9:49 AM, Mr H said:

That's the story that is rolled out to us so we don't drink it. I'm not sure it's true. But will find out for myself.

 

Excellent vid from Dr Berg today on this topic.

 

 

[RobinJ]

we should know by now that if something is banned or made illegal etc that it is more than likely good for us. 

[TetraG]

This thread is TOXIC, (just like your *pompous* meat) that's all thats needed to be known.

Edited October 2, 2022 by TetraG

[RobinJ]

39 minutes ago, TetraG said:

This thread is TOXIC, (just like your *pompous* meat) that's all thats needed to be known.

this comment makes zero sense. What's pompous meat?

How is discussing something toxic?

[dumbcritic]

On 6/17/2022 at 7:14 PM, RobinJ said:

we should know by now that if something is banned or made illegal etc that it is more than likely good for us. 

 

Or there are risks. Take raw milk for example, in the US there have been a number of illnesses, hospitalisations, and deaths due to salmonella, E. Coli and/or campylobacter.

Edited October 3, 2022 by dumbcritic

[RobinJ]

4 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

 

Or there are risks. Take raw milk for example, in the US there have been a number of illnesses, hospitalisations, and deaths due to salmonella, E. Coli and/or campylobacter.

 How do you think they stop people doing something good for them? They put out a news story counteracting it all, wheel in an 'expert' and off you go. People drank raw milk for hundreds of years before the pasteurisation nutters came along and killed everything good in it. I drink raw milk every day and I am perfectly fine. Pasteurised milk is poison, it leaches calcium from your bones. If you believe what's in the news, including 'health' crap then you may have a long journey of learning ahead.

[DaleP]

Vegans should move to Germany.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220320-tbingen-europes-fiercely-vegan-fairy-tale-city

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 4/16/2022 at 11:12 PM, Rayvn said:

I think the guy filming is a bit of a rude obnoxious twat actually. I would have introduced his camera to the pavement. There was no need for him to cuss, insult and become a common  douche bag. 

Its not funny and not respectful or kind. 

That aside, I am celiac, lactose intolerant piscatarian. I was vegetarian until I was diagnosed with a brain disorder and needed onega 3 to stabilise my brain. 

I tried veganism many years ago and my body literally collasped. I was extremely sick for around 3 weeks. 

Veganism doesn't work for many people. As it is very restrictive even to what you wear, your cosmetics, personal hygiene and lifestyle. It goes beyond, way beyond what goes into your body. 

Being vegetarian was much better for me but vegetarian "meat " substitutes are full of  rubbish and very bad for you. As are some lactose free and gluten free products. I find, when something is removed, artificial additives that poisin the body are substituted which is why people who eat them look sick. 

I grow my own food, what I can't get I source from local farms. I eat "wild" which is a much more natural way of eating without toxins and poisons. 

Food should only be eaten for medicine and to nourish the body. 

 

I agree that the filmer was rude. He was deliberately trying to provoke the black man. I dunno why he's so bothered if people have plant based milk substitutes. What business is it of his? Many people are lactose intolerant so need an alternative. I'm lactose intolerant myself, but don't use plant based substitutes that often because I drink my coffee black, rarely have cereals, because I'm also gluten intolerant  (but can tolerate very small amounts) and those are expensive. I do have plain soya yoghurt every so often though. I don't usually eat breakfast, but if I do oat crackers and peanut butter are cheaper! 

 

I'm a vegetarian, been so since 1986. Because of the lactose intolerance, my diet is almost vegan. I include free range eggs and honey which make it a vegetarian diet.

 

As for Omega 3: fish is often encouraged as a source but they only contain it because they eat algae in the sea which is the original source of Omega 3 (the Ideal ratio of DHA & EPA omega 3 that is).  So algae capsules can be taken if one is vegetarian/vegan. Although the benefits of Omega 3 and 6 level ratios has recently been questioned. I've had 2 blood tests done this year ( I had a fracture and operation so my GP was doing tests on me) and I'm not deficient in anything. In fact, in my first test it revealed that my B12 levels were very high! 

 

I agree about those veggie "meats" : they are gross to me, as are those veggie meaty burgers. Taste and smell too like the real thing for me. Yuk. I like bean/ veg/lentil burgers. ASDA or Tesco spicy bean burgers are very nice, as are the veggie fingers. I sometimes make my own lentil or bean burgers and use millet flour or gluten free flour as the binder. 

 

I have no garden so can't grow my own veg. In a previous address I tended my own tomato plants. I had a Wormery then and used the Worm leachate in the compost. Those tomatoes were the best I've ever had in my life!

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by itsnotallrightjack

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 5/1/2022 at 2:21 AM, RobinJ said:

 

OK I am NOT vegan, let me say that first. I assume your are talking cow milk. Sheep or goat is much healthier choice.

Milk and calcium, umm no thats a myth. Pasteurisation destroys most calcium due to the extreme heat, in fact it destroys most of whats any good in it. You would only get it if you drink raw milk. Most cows are pumped full of growth hormones in the west. Also, contrary to popular belief, calcium does not build good bones or teeth. Milk leaches calcium from the bones and makes them weaker. Plenty of studies prove this.

Hip fracture rates are highest in countries with the highest calcium consumption.

 

 

 

Since I'm lactose intolerant, no animal milks for me! I get my calcium from beans, lentils, nuts,  broccoli,  leafy greens, and tahini. I LOVE tahini- I make a lot of bean dips with it.