The Vegan Agenda

[SuperstarNeilC]

 

[Pinkiebee]

Freaky.  That the very last thing I saw on you tube before comming here. 

[wake_up_bomb]

This seems a very strange target, considering that milk isn't nutritionally beneficial for adults, nor is it natural for a mammal to be consuming milk in adulthood. Let alone the milk of another animal! Literally no other mammal does this.

[SuperstarNeilC]

Mankind has been drinking milk with no issue since the Dawn of Time.

 

Every country and society under the sun has always drunk milk.

 

Name ONE society EVER that has been vegan ?

[eddy64]

lots of calcium in milk, very good for an upset stomach. will keep drinking it as long as possible before those vegan zealots have it banned.

[Mr H]

10 hours ago, wake_up_bomb said:

This seems a very strange target, considering that milk isn't nutritionally beneficial for adults, nor is it natural for a mammal to be consuming milk in adulthood. Let alone the milk of another animal! Literally no other mammal does this.

I'm not sure this is true. Pasturized milk has little benefit, but unpasturized has reported incredible health benefits.

[Mr H]

I think there is deffo a vegan agenda and also a carbohydrate agenda.

 

I was trying to go vegan. But after doing lots of research this would be a terrible idea for my health. Carbs and non fatty foods wreck your body. Because your body has to continually process them, it puts your body through a great processing ordeal - and by there nature you have to consume more and more and your body needs to process more and more. The most healthy diet which I am slowly migrating to is a high fat diet. This means lots of meat and butter etc, with some greens and small amount of certain fruits. This way you do not need to eat very often and your body can just chill. You will have far more energy because your body can do other things other than digestion .Otherwise, constant eating can lead to diseases such as cancer. We were sold a lie that fats are bad for us and our hearts but that was based and then later disseminated to educational and health authorities as being true when the study was dubious at best when you look into it. 

[Macnamara]

Milk isn't the problem it is how it is processed; they pasteurise it which denatures the proteins and then they homogenise the fats out of it. Better to drink organic RAW milk.

 

Vegans don't get enough vitamin B and a lack of vitamin B makes a person weak

 

Eating insects is also problematic in that they are protein rich and proteins are the most complex molecules of any food type and are therefore the most inefficient for the production of energy

 

So all in all if you eat how the elites want you to eat you will be low powered and weak.

 

In Malta the knights of st john oversaw the production of two types of wheat. One type was superior to the other and the knights kept consumption of that to themselves whilst the locals had to eat the inferior type. The same is true of grains in common use today. In the UK the deer parks were kept for the norman barons and anyone who tried to take a deer was punished severely as a poacher. It's all about CONTROL through diet.

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

The same is true of grains in common use today. In the UK the deer parks were kept for the norman barons and anyone who tried to take a deer was punished severely as a poacher. It's all about CONTROL through diet.

A lot of grains even if labelled organic are quite toxic. Brown rice for example usually has arsenic in it.

[Macnamara]

Just now, Mr H said:

A lot of grains even if labelled organic are quite toxic.

 

some of the foods labelled 'organic' from the US were being sprayed with something.....there was a story about that a while ago.....it was waste water from some industrial process or something like that

 

Just now, Mr H said:

Brown rice for example usually has arsenic in it.

 

there is some talk about older grains being more easily digested. They may even be more easy to grind if you are hand milling your own flour

[Macnamara]

They convinced everyone through advertising that butter is bad for you and that you should eat processed margarine instead! There are still many people today who still believe that because the advertising was so pervasive

 

They have also convinced people they should drink milk that has all the goodness spun out of it so that it is almost like water. Then they put it on some crappy processed sugar breakfast cereal made by some satanic corporation and wonder why they get gut problems and crashing energy

 

To overcome the low energy people then reach for canned energy drinks that trash the heart. Its the spiral of intervention

 

They'll drink their weak-ass milk on their sugar-pops, whilst watching something on their wifi microwave pocket computer in the queue for their umpteenth covid jab and then wonder at their failing health. Then they'll turn round and call us 'crazy'

[Macnamara]

11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

some of the foods labelled 'organic' from the US were being sprayed with something.....there was a story about that a while ago.....it was waste water from some industrial process or something like that

Biosolids: mix human waste with toxic chemicals, then spread on crops

Tom Perkins

Sat 5 Oct 2019 07.00 BST

Residual sludge from treating waste water has been turned into a money-spinner but what are the costs to health of ‘the most pollutant-rich manmade substance on Earth’?

 

By some estimates, Americans send about 300m pounds of feces daily from the nation’s toilets to wastewater treatment plants.

 

While the water is cleaned and discharged, the remaining toxic sewage sludge stays at the treatment plant, and it’s what Sierra Club environmentalist Nancy Raine calls “the most pollutant-rich manmade substance on Earth”.

This “biosolid” sludge is expensive to dispose of because it must be landfilled, but the waste management industry is increasingly using a money-making alternative – repackaging the sludge as fertilizer and injecting it into the nation’s food chain.

Now the practice is behind a growing number of public health problems. Spreading pollutant-filled biosolids on farmland is making people sick, contaminating drinking water and filling crops, livestock and humans with everything from pharmaceuticals to PFAS.

 

As more biosolid-linked crises develop, some farmers and environmentalists are calling for a ban on the practice.

In 2019, about 60% of sewage sludge produced by treatment facilities will be spread on farmland and gardens, as well as schoolyards and lawns. Sludge holds nitrogen, phosphorus and other nutrients that help crops grow, so the waste management industry lightly treats it and sells it cheaply to farmers who view it as a cost-saving product.

But in fact the excrement from which sludge derives has mixed with any number of 80,000 manmade chemicals that are discharged from industry’s pipes or otherwise pumped into the sewer system. By the time the mix lands in treatment plants, it can teem with pharmaceuticals, hormones, pathogens, bacteria, viruses, protozoa and parasitic worms, as well as heavy metals like lead, cadmium, arsenic or mercury. It often includes PCBs, PFAS, dioxins, BPAs and dozens of other harmful substances ranging from flame retardants to hospital waste.

“Spending billions of dollars to remove hazardous chemicals and biological wastes from water, only to spread them on soil everywhere we live, work and play defies common sense,” said David Lewis, a former Environmental Protection Agency scientist who opposed spreading sludge on cropland in the mid-1990s as the agency approved the use.

Previously treatment facilities burned sludge or dumped it in the ocean, but the federal government barred the practices because doing so violated clean air rules or created marine dead zones. The EPA now insists spreading the same toxic substance on farmland is safe.

Raine questioned that conclusion, noting that there is very little regulation, very little testing and no knowing what’s in each batch of sludge as compositions vary.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/05/biosolids-toxic-chemicals-pollution

Edited April 16, 2022 by Macnamara

[Rayvn]

I think the guy filming is a bit of a rude obnoxious twat actually. I would have introduced his camera to the pavement. There was no need for him to cuss, insult and become a common  douche bag. 

Its not funny and not respectful or kind. 

That aside, I am celiac, lactose intolerant piscatarian. I was vegetarian until I was diagnosed with a brain disorder and needed onega 3 to stabilise my brain. 

I tried veganism many years ago and my body literally collasped. I was extremely sick for around 3 weeks. 

Veganism doesn't work for many people. As it is very restrictive even to what you wear, your cosmetics, personal hygiene and lifestyle. It goes beyond, way beyond what goes into your body. 

Being vegetarian was much better for me but vegetarian "meat " substitutes are full of  rubbish and very bad for you. As are some lactose free and gluten free products. I find, when something is removed, artificial additives that poisin the body are substituted which is why people who eat them look sick. 

I grow my own food, what I can't get I source from local farms. I eat "wild" which is a much more natural way of eating without toxins and poisons. 

Food should only be eaten for medicine and to nourish the body. 

[dumbcritic]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

I think there is deffo a vegan agenda and also a carbohydrate agenda.

 

I was trying to go vegan. But after doing lots of research this would be a terrible idea for my health. Carbs and non fatty foods wreck your body. Because your body has to continually process them, it puts your body through a great processing ordeal - and by there nature you have to consume more and more and your body needs to process more and more. The most healthy diet which I am slowly migrating to is a high fat diet. This means lots of meat and butter etc, with some greens and small amount of certain fruits. This way you do not need to eat very often and your body can just chill. You will have far more energy because your body can do other things other than digestion .Otherwise, constant eating can lead to diseases such as cancer. We were sold a lie that fats are bad for us and our hearts but that was based and then later disseminated to educational and health authorities as being true when the study was dubious at best when you look into it. 

 

I suggest you start watching some of these

 

 

 

[Guivre]

On 4/16/2022 at 4:05 PM, Mr H said:

A lot of grains even if labelled organic are quite toxic. Brown rice for example usually has arsenic in it.

Which is true, and only getting worse as time goes on, but it's because from field irrigation by water tainted by pork producers and various other pollutants. It's not due to grains being bad.

[Macnamara]

if people want to save the planet then they would be better forgetting veganism and instead eating more offal eg heart, liver, kidney, blood etc so that more of the animal is eaten and not wasted. It would improve peoples health too

Edited April 25, 2022 by Macnamara

[Campion]

23 hours ago, Macnamara said:

if people want to save the planet then they would be better forgetting veganism and instead eating more offal eg heart, liver, kidney, blood etc so that more of the animal is eaten and not wasted. It would improve peoples health too

 

Also consider eating less. There's research into restricting food intake with longer lifespan, as well as health benefits of fasting. We need some protein of course, but the modern diet contains more than most of us need. 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, Campion said:

Also consider eating less. There's research into restricting food intake with longer lifespan, as well as health benefits of fasting. We need some protein of course, but the modern diet contains more than most of us need. 

 

that depends on what you do for a living. desk-jockeys might be ok with a soy milkshake but try doing my job in this climate without calories. You will die

 

I eat exactly what i need to eat

Edited April 26, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 4/26/2022 at 7:14 PM, Campion said:

Also consider eating less. There's research into restricting food intake with longer lifespan, as well as health benefits of fasting. We need some protein of course, but the modern diet contains more than most of us need. 

 

does the eating too much aspect tie into processed food where certain appetite enhancers or flavour enhancers might be included along with additives that are designed to make the food more addictive?

 

In which case should we be speaking more about how PROCESSED FOOD is the problem?

[TetraG]

I ain't seen the video I am on restrictive data...
But I have this to say...

Veganism works for some people, and works pretty well for me.... Has done for around 25years and I look young on it and so I'm entitled to say staying it the long course has payed off for me... 

B vitamins are not an issue for vegans these days. 

 

So in principle, and where quality vegan food is found, (which is not that hard to find some trust-worthy brands), one can be a vegan just fine, and if it's not suitable for certain people, that's ok, but that's doesn't mean it's unhealthy for others... 

[RobinJ]

On 4/16/2022 at 2:31 PM, eddy64 said:

lots of calcium in milk, very good for an upset stomach. will keep drinking it as long as possible before those vegan zealots have it banned.

 

OK I am NOT vegan, let me say that first. I assume your are talking cow milk. Sheep or goat is much healthier choice.

Milk and calcium, umm no thats a myth. Pasteurisation destroys most calcium due to the extreme heat, in fact it destroys most of whats any good in it. You would only get it if you drink raw milk. Most cows are pumped full of growth hormones in the west. Also, contrary to popular belief, calcium does not build good bones or teeth. Milk leaches calcium from the bones and makes them weaker. Plenty of studies prove this.

Hip fracture rates are highest in countries with the highest calcium consumption.

 

Veganism is driven by the agenda. Its a way to get the masses used to being controlled by food by playing on their emotions. I know a lot of vegans and they ALL supplement their diet with 'health' items. When the world goes to shit in the not to distant future, where will your supplements come from? How will they be shipped to you? How will you buy them when no longer available, or, you dont have access to money without Universal Credit...?

 

Finally, its also a myth ( for those new age spiritual types) that you need to not eat meat to have enlightenment. I know plenty of spiritually awake people who are all kinds of food eaters, non of that has impaired their abilities. Its ALL a BELIEF SYSTEM. 

[DaleP]

On 4/16/2022 at 9:57 PM, Mr H said:

I think there is deffo a vegan agenda and also a carbohydrate agenda.

 

Whatever it is, if they push it, isn't a good thing. lol

 

[Ethel]

What I'm hearing in this thread is "I enjoy X, therefore X is harmless". This is not logic. When I first became a tinfoil hat, I assumed other tinfoil hats would be able to spot denial to the same extent I can. This was an incorrect assumption.

 

The widespread promotion of Veganism may indicate that the PTB have something to gain from large numbers of people going Vegan, but this doesn't mean that forcing animals to lie in their own mess, kicking them repeatedly, hitting them with crowbars and then violently slitting their throats isn't a holocaust. Are you happy to fund this?

 

Do you want to be one of the retards who denies it's happening? 

[RobinJ]

On 5/16/2022 at 11:41 AM, Ethel said:

What I'm hearing in this thread is "I enjoy X, therefore X is harmless". This is not logic. When I first became a tinfoil hat, I assumed other tinfoil hats would be able to spot denial to the same extent I can. This was an incorrect assumption.

 

The widespread promotion of Veganism may indicate that the PTB have something to gain from large numbers of people going Vegan, but this doesn't mean that forcing animals to lie in their own mess, kicking them repeatedly, hitting them with crowbars and then violently slitting their throats isn't a holocaust. Are you happy to fund this?

 

Do you want to be one of the retards who denies it's happening? 

 

Well thats a massive assumption that all animals for consumption are treated that way. Second, rearing your own animals allows control over how humane their life and death is. Its always the vegan excuse to not eat meat- this idea that all animals we eat are treated cruelly. Apart from the plain fact of, if we are all correct in what is to come, then  where will any vegan get all those manufactured supplements from for their diet? I know a LOT of vegans and ALL of them take supplements to try add whats missing by not eating meat. Something to think about. Its simply not healthy.

 

Also, the other vegan standpoint of not using by products of animals or bees etc does not generally involve any pain etc, so not eating eggs or honey or milk is ludicrous as an excuse for that.

Along with that, its pretty obvious the dark ones have been training people to not eat meat for generations, and now they are pushing the bug eating agenda to try change peoples perceptions of what we will be allowed to eat. 

 

Finally, there are those who claim you cant meditate properly or become a higher being unless you stop eating meat. This is utter new age nonsense. Whether you can be spiritually awake or not has zero o do with what you eat.

[Ethel]

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

 

Well thats a massive assumption that all animals for consumption are treated that way.

 

 

Unless it is someone you know, who keeps some animals on their land, and you've personally observed the animals, and how they are treated, it pretty much is that way. If you can find a local egg supplier in your area supplying supposedly organic and "ethical" eggs, ask them what they do with the male baby chicks. I have been trying to find a local supplier in my area so I could ask them myself but haven't managed to track any down. If you manage it, post the answer here please. As for the industry itself, they throw live baby chicks into a meat grinder. Do you want to see some videos? And the meat industry is worse. If you have some image in your mind of animals being given a humane death, lovingly rocked to sleep by some benign Samaritan, think on. The animal agriculture industry provides jobs for, best case scenario, people with no morals, and worse case scenario, psychopaths.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

Its always the vegan excuse to not eat meat- this idea that all animals we eat are treated cruelly.

 

Well, if you're going to try and play the "humane slaughter" card, don't. There's no such thing, it's an oxymoron, like "dry rain" or "cold fire". A simple truth, and I don't need to belabor it. There aren't any animals bred for slaughter dying peaceful deaths. Even if it's just someone in their garden, there's still death. Hens apparently get attached to their eggs.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

Apart from the plain fact of, if we are all correct in what is to come, then  where will any vegan get all those manufactured supplements from for their diet?

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. I read someone in this forum someone claiming that Vegans struggle to get vitamin b12 in their diet. There are several sources of b12; off the top of my head, various fortified milks, various fortified cereals, Marmite and Brewers yeast. Failing that, a person can go to their doctor and have it injected into them. There are other sources too. Can I also add: when people are in a state of denial, they purposefully make non-arguments to try and enrage/confound/gaslight their opponent in a debate. It's an unconscious manipulation tactic. I'm not falling for it, I've seen it before and it's sly. Nobody in this forum is a total moron so I cannot defend people making moronic arguments.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

Also, the other vegan standpoint of not using by products of animals or bees etc does not generally involve any pain etc, so not eating eggs or honey or milk is ludicrous as an excuse for that.

 

I'm assuming you're unaware that male baby chicks are thrown into a meat grinder, (again, videos available on request) or that bees have their wings ripped off in honey production. Either way, they're both theft. Honey is useful. In a doomsday scenario, I'd eat it, but we're not in a doomsday scenario - yet.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

Along with that, its pretty obvious the dark ones have been training people to not eat meat for generations, and now they are pushing the bug eating agenda to try change peoples perceptions of what we will be allowed to eat. 

 

The Vegetarian and Vegan agendas, in terms of recognisable popularity, are less than a century old. Meat eating, (de facto satanism) goes back thousands of years and came from the same manipulators which go all the way back to Annunaki. Bugs are alive, they are creatures, so no Vegan or Vegetarian would be interested in that. That particular agenda, if it does in fact come to fruition, is about degradation and cost effectiveness more than anything else. In truth, there's probably quite a high protein and fiber content in a lot of insects, but again, no Vegan or Veggie would touch them. You could defend the killing of animals but baulk at killing insects?!

 

On 5/18/2022 at 2:26 AM, RobinJ said:

Finally, there are those who claim you cant meditate properly or become a higher being unless you stop eating meat. This is utter new age nonsense. Whether you can be spiritually awake or not has zero o do with what you eat.

 

It depends on the person. I'm of the opinion that if someone had the "right" psychology they probably could eat carcass and not suffer too much as a result of it. However, for the majority of us, putting the energy of death into our body is not going to benefit us spiritually. If you wonder what I mean, consider the experiments of Masaru Emoto. They are spoken about a lot on this forum. Everything has an energy. When an animal is murdered, it's flesh retains that energy, and a human who eats it's flesh then puts that exact energy into his or her body. The energy of suffering, despair, being forsaken. 

 

Your dark overlords are laughing at who they can manipulate and into what. I acknowledge that Veganism is being pushed into the Zeitgeist. All those fake meats are probably iffy. This has nothing to do with true Veganism; healthy fruit, Vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains etc. 

 

I'm not responding to this thread again. I won't have long drawn out debates. After the defender of baby killers in the abortion thread misrepresented my character and accused me of being a big meanie who just refuses to get along with people for the sake of it, I decided I'm not having long debates any more. They were partly right; I do see what is unconscious in most people. I see it very quickly. It is an unfortunate side effect of being an outsider all my life and incapable of becoming part of group identities. If you have a group identity, you have blind spots. This group is full of Conservative types who hold themselves back from investigating things like Anarchy or Veganism because they consider those things too "lefty". Their loss.

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Ethel