Conflict in Ukraine - Russian Invasion

[bryan]

"European NATO members should purchase more American-made weapons to sustain Ukraine’s war effort against Russia, US War Secretary Pete Hegseth said on Wednesday ahead of a meeting of the bloc’s defense ministers.

 

Speaking alongside NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Hegseth praised the Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL) initiative and said the European members must spend more funds through it.

 

“Our expectation today is that more countries donate even more, that they purchase even more to provide for Ukraine,” Hegseth said. Rutte noted there was “firepower coming out of our defense industry” to bolster Ukrainian forces."

https://www.rt.com/news/626466-nato-american-weapons-ukraine/

 

 

 

"Rachel Reeves has said she is looking at "further measures on tax" ahead of next month's Budget, in the clearest sign yet that tax hikes are on the way."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2drpzxpkp3o

[cinder_darkskys]

Why would they do that when Euro make better weapons then the US and, No one wants a Kill switch if we deside to attack the Nazies in the US. Also when buying US you get what you pay for which is the lowest bidder is awarded the contract. That dose not make and effective military buy dose it now

Skys fact checker

i seen a US weapon forward grip melt off after just a few fast changing clips on full auto. dose that sound like a good buy. Seem to me if i'm stuck in a fire fight for days week or even years i like a personal weapon system  that not going to melt. Lastly the US can not replace any of there ammo with out Canada's endless resources. even now there running out ammo and time.what they spend on the field wont be replaced easily. exposing them to there real enemies. Those who they been attacking

beside

The US busy killing each other

Edited October 15 by cinder_darkskys

[bryan]

23 hours ago, cinder_darkskys said:

Why would they do that when Euro make better weapons then the US and, No one wants a Kill switch if we deside to attack the Nazies in the US. Also when buying US you get what you pay for which is the lowest bidder is awarded the contract. That dose not make and effective military buy dose it now

Skys fact checker

QinetiQ must be gutted after donating a million quid to Boris. They did say in a statement that they didn't expect anything whatsoever in return, so they only have theirselves to blame. They should have got him to sign a contract guaranteeing full-on war for the next 10 years, with all weaponry sourced in the UK and paid for by annual tax hikes, levies on energy prices and cuts to NHS services. You can't get more nationalistic than that.

[Mazthehobo]

I like this story about Trump calling Putin for peace talks. Sounds like when I try and bribe my kids with sweets.

 

These talks will benefit Russia and the US. Ukraine will be told to accept deal or else!

 

I see a time when all wars are ended by a Trump phone call. When world peace is the norm. 
 

World War 3? More like World War Free. And then Trump will ascend back to heaven. 

[bryan]

"European Union members must sacrifice their own economies for Ukraine. . . Slovakia and Hungary pleaded for Ukraine not to decimate their energy sector—Brussels overruled their wishes. Farmers throughout the EU pleaded for Ukraine not to override their goods with duty-free imports—Brussels overruled their wishes. The examples are endless, but the outcome is always the same.

 

Poland is the latest nation to plead for Ukraine not to override an entire sector as tariff-free Ukrainian steel floods the EU. Ukrainian steel imports to Poland rose 27% in the first six months of the year, according to Polish steelmakers’ lobby group HIPH.

 

Poland will lose this battle because the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have no incentive to see an actual EU member state surpass Ukraine. Every nation must send endless aid to Ukraine without question and willingly watch as Ukraine tramples on every sector of its economy."

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/world-trade/poland-asks-ukraine-not-to-decimate-its-steel-sector/

[bryan]

14 hours ago, bryan said:

QinetiQ must be gutted after donating a million quid to Boris. They did say in a statement that they didn't expect anything whatsoever in return, so they only have theirselves to blame. They should have got him to sign a contract guaranteeing full-on war for the next 10 years, with all weaponry sourced in the UK and paid for by annual tax hikes, levies on energy prices and cuts to NHS services. You can't get more nationalistic than that.

The prime minister of Slovakia is better at joining dots than some members of the David Icke forum.

 

"Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson had a financial interest in prolonging the Ukraine conflict, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico has said.

 

Speaking in the Slovak parliament on Thursday, Fico referenced recent reports in the British press that tied Johnson to businessman Christopher Harborne, whose portfolio includes arms manufacturing. Harborne reportedly donated £1 million ($1.34 million) to Johnson after he left office in late 2022 and accompanied him on at least one visit to Kiev the following year.

 

Fico cited the case as an example of what he described as corruption and war profiteering among Western politicians, linking it to Johnson’s role in blocking a proposed peace deal between Russia and Ukraine negotiated in Türkiye during the first weeks of the conflict.

 

“Boris Johnson fought for the war to continue. Then he took a million pounds from an arms manufacturer,” Fico said. “He didn’t want to end the war because he knew he had a friend who would give him money and in return he would help him with weapons in Ukraine.”

 

The Slovak leader added that “many people have made huge money” from the conflict, while the Ukrainians “were and are the main victims of this war.”

https://www.rt.com/news/626596-fico-johnson-ukraine-profiteering/

[cinder_darkskys]

i dont think we want these ass worms deciding on wars 10 years be fore the war start bryan i get it frustrating. as for grantees i think that in insane. we all know the Jews in palestine will attack again and it the same here. WE know Puttin will never do what he say W had 30 years of his bullchit proganda While Russia plane are doing fly over of UK an other Euro nation WE know Russia has hacked elections. Im not a wish thing.

there definition of peace is this and we dont want ecomeise based on building for war. Its not a moral nation the nation that dose that

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Now that it has been carpet bombed, I declare peace on that swath of land that trump tower will sit upon.

The land where Jesus walked and taught, smoked by this asshole and a few others.

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I dont buy what there selling i dont do sympathizers or traitors or peace niks hippy dippy or any other shit. this war is mass murder nothing more. and instead of color people which is what history shows dying it Ukrainian white people who been try to push out for generations for some dumb ass want a be

 

Its why i say kill the 1%  let god sort them out. We dont need the entitled they need us we do not need the ones profiting off these acts of terror we dont need there wife's or children

 

We dont need or want there leadership. 

 

We are NOT going to get to space wasting our resorces on the 1% bull shit

 

quote ; Fallout war never changed

 

there only 1 option force Justice on there heads.  or point up. Justice can be there deaths or there imprisonment for mass murder for life

Skys

There are no right side in this or any other blood bath of mass murder. there only right and wrong. no gray zone no wiggle room. mass murder is wrong

so where the Justice.

 

 

Edited October 17 by cinder_darkskys

[bryan]

Fact checkers protesting too much?

 

"The Guardian never published any report alleging that former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson encouraged Kyiv to prolong the war with Russia in exchange for a «bribe.» The claim was entirely fabricated by Russian propaganda outlets, which falsely cited the newspaper to lend their disinformation an air of legitimacy.

 

After the claim began circulating, StopFake examined whether The Guardian had in fact published such conclusions. The result was clear: it had not.

 

Before the fabricated claim emerged, The Guardian had indeed published an investigation mentioning Boris Johnson. The report examined his ties to businessman Christopher Harborne — a shareholder in a British defense company who donated £1 million to Johnson. Journalists focused on the fact that in 2023, Johnson brought Harborne with him on a visit to Ukraine for high-level meetings. The piece explored whether the donation and the joint trip could raise questions of a potential conflict of interest.

 

However, The Guardian made no assertions about Johnson’s motives for including Harborne on the trip. The article focused instead on questions of transparency and ethics surrounding the donation, noting only that the relationship might carry a commercial dimension. At no point did it claim — or even imply — that Johnson received £1 million to persuade Kyiv to prolong the war with Russia. Those allegations were entirely fabricated by Russian propagandists and falsely attributed to The Guardian to lend the narrative a veneer of legitimacy."

https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-boris-johnson-was-paid-to-pressure-kyiv-against-peace-the-guardian/

[bryan]

There's a crazy article on that fact-checking site about Ukrainian anti-vaxx chat groups from 2021.

 

"The anti-vaccination movement in Ukraine uses a non-transparent messenger for coordination.

 

Since the beginning of the pandemic, more than 3 million COVID-19 cases have been registered in Ukraine, and more than 75 thousand Ukrainians have died from the coronavirus. As of November 11, Ukraine is a global COVID-19 hotspot. Each day for the last two weeks, the country recorded an average of 22,085 new COVID-19 cases and an average of 711 coronavirus-related deaths. This means that 51 people per 100,000 in Ukraine are dying from COVID-19 each day.

 

At the same time, Ukraine’s vaccination campaign has struggled to gain steam. Up to June 2021, less than a million people per month were receiving jabs. Starting in July, the pace of vaccination increased, though only slowly. Only in October, when Ukraine’s government started introducing the so-called “red zone” restrictions for unvaccinated people in many regions, did the pace of vaccination start to really spike, with a twofold increase compared to September. Nevertheless, as of November 11, only around 20% of the country’s population has been fully vaccinated."

https://www.stopfake.org/en/chat-groups-against-vaccines-ukrainian-anti-vaxers-coordinate-activities-in-viber-groups/

 

Just when the Ukrainians thought they'd dodged the deadly covid vaccines, Boris came along and forced them to be cannon fodder in a proxy war.

 

The fact checkers show a screen shot of a post which links to a youtube video called 'The Mysterious Watchmakers' Conspiracy' and it shows David Icke in the video.

 

 

I found a short video on youtube with exactly the same name in Russian but David Icke is nowhere to be seen in it.

 

 

Edited October 18 by bryan

[bryan]

The journalist who wrote the article about Ukrainian antivaxxers is employed by news organisations that are funded by USAID, NATO and George Soros.

 

https://www.stopfake.org/en/chat-groups-against-vaccines-ukrainian-anti-vaxers-coordinate-activities-in-viber-groups/

 

https://ukraineworld.org/en/about

 

This is why nearly every government in the world implemented the covid protocols that were created by the Nudge Unit in Downing Street. At the time, the talking heads in the media said it was a case of governments copying each other rather than a global conspiracy. One of the few exceptions was Belarus. Andrew Tate said he was partying there every night while everywhere else you could only walk your dog once a day. When you hear stories about Lukashenko jailing opposition leaders, it's probably because he knows they're working for Soros.

 

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Recent WikiLeaks disclosures have exposed a staggering level of financial involvement by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) in global media operations. The leaked documents reveal that USAID has invested $472.6 million in the Internews Network, a global NGO that claims to support independent media. This investment represents a substantial portion of Internews’ funding, with $415 million coming from USAID and an additional $57 million awarded by the US Department of State over the past 17 years.

 

The implications of this financial engagement are profound, as Internews has partnered with over 4,291 media outlets and has been involved in producing 4,799 hours of broadcast content in a single year, reaching an audience of up to 778 million people globally. Furthermore, Internews is reported to have trained over 9,000 journalists in 2023 alone, highlighting its extensive influence in the media landscape.

 

Jeanne Bourgault, the head of Internews, draws a significant salary of $451,000 annually and has been a vocal advocate for policies that many critics argue amount to censorship under the guise of fighting disinformation. The connections between Internews and influential figures like George Soros, and affiliations with organizations like the Open Society Foundations, have also raised eyebrows, suggesting a network of interests that extend beyond mere media development.

 

The scale of USAID’s involvement in media funding—supporting 6,200 journalists across 707 media outlets and 279 NGOs—illustrates a pervasive pattern of influence that could compromise the integrity and independence of journalism. This pattern is particularly concerning in regions like Ukraine, where USAID funding supports a significant proportion of media operations, and in New Zealand, where 25 media organizations have received backing through Internews.

https://www.newsrescue.com/independent-media-how-usaid-spent-millions-buying-journalists-media-groups-worldwide/

 

 

 

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USAID-funded Internews went from funding media organizations with George Soros to overthrow governments in Eastern Europe to calling for advertising boycotts to censor free speech online.

 

This is a textbook example of U.S. regime change tactics being redirected against domestic populism and American citizens.

 

In the 1990s, Internews partnered with the Soros Foundation to fund media organizations in post-Soviet nations, playing a pivotal role in the color revolutions of the 2000s in Serbia, Georgia, and Ukraine.

 

During Georgia’s Rose Revolution, Internews funded and trained journalists at Rustavi-2 TV, the leading channel driving the uprising.

 

“Media was very good at informing the public about what was going on, and it had a huge role in calling people onto the streets.” – Marc Behrendt, former Internews director for Georgia

 

By 2003, in Ukraine, Internews had conducted 220 media training programs, trained over 2,800 journalists, and produced more than 220 television and 1,000 radio programs. It also funded Telekritika, an online outlet that played a central role in the 2004 Orange Revolution.

 

After Brexit and Donald Trump’s election in 2016, Internews—now working with the USAID-funded World Economic Forum (WEF)—shifted its focus to pushing advertising boycotts to suppress online dissent.

 

What was once a U.S.-funded operation to overthrow foreign regimes is now being used to silence American citizens and dismantle Trump’s populist MAGA movement.

 

The Price Tag?

 

USAID has funneled over $470 million in taxpayer dollars into Internews.

https://www.clintonfoundationtimeline.com/february-8-2025-usaid-and-internews-networks-orchestrate-global-media-control/

 

 

 

 

[bryan]

Boris's rebuttal is about as convincing as when he accused anti-vaccine campaigners of 'spouting mumbo jumbo'.

 

In an extraordinary statement to the Guardian when asked about his relationship with Harborne, Johnson said: “Your pathetic non-stories … seem mostly to be derived from some illegal Russian hack job. You should be ashamed of yourselves.” Distributed Denial of Secrets (DDoS), the US-based transparency group that obtained the leaked files, said it did not know their provenance.

 

Johnson added: “Why don’t you just change your name to Pravda? Your stories are rubbish and you are doing Putin’s work.”

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-guardian-usa/20251011/281788520263416

[RobinJ]

On 10/16/2025 at 4:09 PM, Mazthehobo said:

I like this story about Trump calling Putin for peace talks. Sounds like when I try and bribe my kids with sweets.

 

These talks will benefit Russia and the US. Ukraine will be told to accept deal or else!

 

I see a time when all wars are ended by a Trump phone call. When world peace is the norm. 
 

World War 3? More like World War Free. And then Trump will ascend back to heaven. 

You are deluded if you think Trump brokers any deals. No politician is in charge of anything, they are all controlled puppets who will very soon get their just deserts.

[Mazthehobo]

6 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

You are deluded if you think Trump brokers any deals. No politician is in charge of anything, they are all controlled puppets who will very soon get their just deserts.

Was it Cummings who said that all meetings were pre written like a pantomime. I have no doubts that any meeting between Trump and putin is just a front..

[bryan]

Searching for "boris harborne qinetiq 2025", I can't find a single mainstream news outlet that has reported on the recent Guardian article. There were media reports in 2023 about the donation itself and it seems like the only new information in the Guardian story is that Harborne accompanied Boris to high-level meetings in Kiev as an advisor when Boris was no longer prime minister.

 

In January 2023 the BBC and the New Statesman focused on his bankrolling of the Brexit campaign. Neither of these two articles mentioned his connections to the arms industry.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64257007

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/business-and-finance/2023/01/christopher-harborne-silent-donor-behind-brexit-boris-johnson

 

Only left-wing independent media organisations talked about his investments in QinetiQ.

 

A week after the BBC article was published, openDemocracy emphasized the revolving door between politics and the arms industry, and they pointed out that Ben Wallace worked for the company before he became an MP. (Although the information didn't make them question their support for Ukraine.)

 

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Defence Firm Part-Owned By Boris Johnson’s £1m Donor Wins £80m MoD Contract

Christopher Harborne is the largest single shareholder in QinetiQ, which announced a lucrative government deal this week

Jim Fitzpatrick

19 January 2023, 11.00pm

 

The man who gave a record £1m donation to Boris Johnson is the largest single shareholder in a UK defence company that secured an £80m government contract this week, openDemocracy can reveal.

 

Christopher Harborne, a Thai-based businessman and multi-million-pound donor to the Brexit Party and the Conservative Party, made the £1m donation to the Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, a company controlled by the former prime minister.

 

The donation was made in November and listed on the MPs register of interests last week. It’s believed to be the biggest donation to an individual MP in UK history.

 

In recent months, Harborne has been building a stake, through companies he controls, in the major UK defence company QinetiQ, and is now the single biggest shareholder, owning more than 10% of the company with a holding worth £193m.

 

On Monday, QinetiQ announced that it had secured a ten-year IT contract with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) worth £80m.

 

The company, which employs almost 5,500 people in the UK across several sites, is a major government contractor and was once part of the MoD before it was privatised and floated on the stock exchange in 2006.

 

One of its biggest government contracts to date is a £2.5bn agreement signed with the MoD in 2018 to provide engineering services over a ten-year period.

 

Its UK business turned over £960m last year and it had total global revenues of around £1.3bn. In its November trading statement, QinetiQ reported orders up 18%, revenue up 12% and underlying operating profit up 39%.

 

Among its range of products, the company is developing military robots and laser technology. Like many defence companies, it has seen an increase in sales since the start of the war in Ukraine.

 

Defence secretary is ex-employee

 

Defence secretary Ben Wallace worked for QinetiQ as its overseas director in the security and intelligence division for two years until his election to Parliament in 2005.

 

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson told openDemocracy that defence contracts such as QinetiQ’s latest are awarded through a legal tendering process, and a system called “Defence AWARD” that sets rules for how they are evaluated and granted.

 

“Contracts are awarded in accordance with Defence and Cabinet Office regulations, with any conflicts of interest declared through the usual process,” they added.

 

A QinetiQ spokesperson said: “QinetiQ works with numerous democratically elected governments across our core markets. In the UK, defence is a cross-party topic. We do not make donations to UK political parties or comment on any donations our significant shareholders might choose to make.”

 

Green Party peer Natalie Bennett said the interlinking of private contractors and military operations “at the deepest level” was cause for “the highest level of concern”.

 

She added: “We have a huge problem with lack of trust in politics. And the emergence of tightly interlinked ties – and political donations – like these is hugely damaging to public trust.

 

“We need to end all big money donations in politics, so we don't simply get the politicians that multinational companies and the rich pay for. And end the revolving door between industry and politics.”

 

£15m to Boris Johnson, Conservative Party and Reform UK

 

Harborne’s £1m donation to Boris Johnson matches two £500,000 donations he made to the Conservative Party in February and May last year. He had previously given £13.7m to Reform UK, formerly the Brexit Party, and an initial £300,000 to the Conservative Party prior to that.

 

The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, which received the £1m donation, is a company set up by the former PM in October last year. Its filings at Companies House are sparse, but show that Johnson himself is the sole shareholder and the “person of significant control”.

 

Harborne has business interests in aviation fuel and crypto trading. He lives in Thailand where he is also known as Chakrit Sakunkrit and is understood to have both UK and Thai citizenship.

 

His stake in QinetiQ is owned through a company called Klear Kite LLC, registered in Delaware in the US.

 

There has been speculation that the £1m donation to Johnson is intended to fund his potential return to the leadership of the Conservative Party. Johnson and Harborne were contacted for comment, but did not respond.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/boris-johnson-christopher-harborne-donation-mod-contract-80m/

 

 

In October 2023 Novara Media published figures to show how investors in the arms industry are making a killing at the expense of taxpayers who are subsidising the research.

 

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Revealed: Tory Superdonor Makes Millions From Government Handouts to Arms Trade

A story of ‘corporate welfare’.

by Andrew Kersley

31 October 2023

 

A Tory superdonor is making millions of pounds from defence contracts handed out by the government in an example of “corporate welfare”, Novara Media can reveal.

 

Christopher Harborne, the lead shareholder of little-known defence giant QinetiQ, has made at least £15.5m in political donations since 2001 – £1.8m to the Conservatives and the rest to the Reform Party (formerly the Brexit Party).

 

The financier and businessman who repeatedly features in the Panama Papers leak, also set a record in November last year when he donated £1m directly to former Prime Minister Boris Johnson according to the electoral commission, reportedly the largest amount ever donated to any individual politician.

 

QinetiQ has previously faced controversy, having secured contracts from the Ministry of Defence (MoD) worth billions. Critics have questioned the link between big money political donations and massive government contracts.

 

But how has this arrangement been working out for Harborne? Pretty well, it seems.

 

Company accounts reviewed by Novara Media reveal that the Thailand-based serial investor earned £4.4m in income from QinetiQ dividends last year alone.

 

Government data also reveals that of its £9.82bn revenue over the last decade, the company made £5.67bn from contracts awarded by the MoD – 58% of its total revenue.

 

This is bound to raise further questions about government subsidies for the arms trade. Recent research by think-tank Common Wealth discovered that arms giants were “supported by the state in a way no other sector is” through government handouts.

 

That support covered as much as 90% of private defence firms’ research and development budgets, which they use to develop products that they then sell to the MoD at a profit.

 

The firms have then made record payouts to private shareholders, while making billions of pounds of weapons sales to members of the Gulf Cooperation Council nations Gulf dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

 

Professor Anna Stavrianakis from the University of Sussex, an expert on the global arms trade, warned that the findings were a “story of corporate welfare and the further erosion of British democratic politics.”

 

“The British state uses taxpayers’ money to subsidise QinetiQ, and then pays the company billions of pounds for its services, generating huge dividends for QinetiQ’s shareholders,” Stavrianakis added. “British taxpayers are in effect paying for wealthy individuals to exercise influence over British parliamentary politics.”

 

QinetiQ used to be the publicly-owned research arm of the MoD before it was privatised back in 2006. Since then, the firm has become a gold mine, paying out over £500m to shareholders in the last decade.

 

In fact, it has proved so profitable for shareholders that within two years it is expected to have paid out more in dividends than the MoD sold it for. That lack of value for money was actually predicted by government auditors just a year after the Blair government chose to make the move, who argued that “greater proceeds could have been secured” for taxpayers.

 

A spokesperson for QinetiQ told Novara Media: “We are proud of the role we play protecting lives by serving the national security interests of our customers.

https://novaramedia.com/2023/10/31/revealed-tory-superdonor-makes-millions-from-government-handouts-to-arms-trade/

 

 

Is there a super-injunction on the story?

Edited Tuesday at 12:59 PM by bryan

[bryan]

This article links Harborne to the Pilgrims Society, Turning Point, and people who have turned against Turning Point.

 

"Harborne has donated £1 million to Boris Johnson’s private company in 2022 and over £13.7 million to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK. These funds supported Johnson’s October 2025 trip to Ukraine, where he and Harborne met Ukrainian leaders to advance British-Ukraine policy. This connects to Pilgrims Society members Fiona Hill (former Trump NSC Russia expert) and Air Marshal Jock Stirrup (current Pilgrims Society president), who support Western actions against Russia. The Pilgrims Society, founded in 1902 by Rothschild, Milner, and Rhodes to establish a new imperial one-world government including annexing America back into the British Empire (as detailed in “Lillian Scott Troy: She Unmasked The British Pilgrims Society Plot to Annex America” by Michael T. McKibben), uses such networks to leverage U.S. resources for British and EU goals, including influencing Russia policy.

 

Harborne’s support for Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, linked to a plethora of Pilgrims Society figures, indicates interlocking relationships. The principle of ongoing leverage—once linked, always linked—applies, with shared interests ensuring continuity. This network, supported by the Crown’s golden share, threatens U.S. sovereignty by directing American resources toward British-led geopolitical objectives against Russia.

 

QinetiQ’s American Origins: Formed with Carlyle Group funds and directed by Glenn Youngkin (current Virginia governor), George Tenet (former CIA Director), and Giambastiani (former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chief’s of Staff), QinetiQ’s structure relied on U.S. input, controlled by the Crown’s golden share from inception, breaching sovereignty.

 

Harborne’s Role: His QinetiQ stake and funding (e.g., Boris Johnson’s Ukraine trip, Nigel Farage’s Reform UK) direct U.S.-derived benefits to British interests. Will we next see TP-UK connections with Harborne (Turning Point UK) bankrolled by Rothschild-linked metals Baron Michael Farmer, whose son George married Candace Owens who co-founded TPUK?

 

Pilgrims Society Interlocks: Fiona Hill (Trump-Russia hoax, and Air Marshall Baron Jock Stirrup’s (the Keeper of the Sword of State) involvement as current president of the British Pilgrims Society, with Harborne’s funding, shows coordinated use of U.S. power for British/EU aims."

https://aim4truth.org/2025/10/13/harborne-qinetiq-pilgrims-society-expose/

 

Tucker may have been a member of the Pilgrims Society.

https://fbcoverup.com/docs/library/2004-Piligrim-Society-British-American-Officers-and-Membership-Roster-source-unknown-Pilgrims-Society-2004.pdf#page=40

 

Lord Farmer has distanced himself from his daughter-in-law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Farmer,_Baron_Farmer

 

But what about his son?

 

"Long before his wife was causing controversy in politics, George Farmer was dealing with troubles of his own. While studying Theology at Oxford University, Farmer and his peers found themselves in the headlines for behavior deemed shameful to the university. Farmer was then a member of the Bullingdon Club, an all-male dining club that once included infamous members like David Cameron and Boris Johnson."

https://www.thelist.com/1214228/meet-the-man-behind-candace-owens-george-farmer/

[bryan]

“Who are the secretive Pilgrim Society and what influence have they had on the US and British Empire Relations? Todays Pilgrim Society is headed up by King Charles III who is also the driving force behind the World Economic Forum and its Club of Rome Human Caused Climate Change agenda. Add to this that only Great Britain and the US are supporting the genocide by Israel currently taking place in Gaza, you begin to piece together an anti human agenda of biblical proportions, and the Pilgrim Society continue to play an important role in this agenda. Not to mention the links back to King Arthur and the Knights Templar still active in the City of London today. Investigative journalist and author William Ramsey joins us today to discuss the secretive Pilgrim Society and role they play in world events today.”

https://davidicke.com/2024/08/15/classified-the-pilgrim-society-today-with-william-ramsey-out-now-on-ickonic-com/

[bryan]

If the Russian economy collapses, the EU will have proved that it's perfectly sane to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

 

[peter]

Personally I don't know why Putin hasn't put one into the Ukraine Parliament and got rid of the assholes then Nato (North American Terrorist Organization ) wouldn't have anything to support, war over .  All I can say is Putin is a lot more patient that I am.

Edited yesterday at 04:22 AM by peter

[Screamingeagle]

14 hours ago, peter said:

Personally I don't know why Putin hasn't put one into the Ukraine Parliament and got rid of the assholes then Nato (North American Terrorist Organization ) wouldn't have anything to support, war over .  All I can say is Putin is a lot more patient that I am.

Because  the war is meant to be continuous.